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Can We Stop A Prophecy

A question Dealing with sovereignty. After the angel of the Lord told Abraham Sarah would have a child about this time next year. What if Abraham had failed to sleep with Sarah his wife, would there still have been a child?

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 ---mima on 5/20/06
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Mima, as Besty ten Boom said, "There are no 'if's' in God's world."

A "What if..." question when dealing with Bible history is really a non-question. One might as well (or better) ask, "What if Eve hadn't hearkened to the serpent"?
---Jack on 12/9/07

2. In the case of Abraham, there was no "IF" in His words. What God foreknows must, in the very nature of the case, be as fixed and certain as what is foreordained: and if one is inconsistent with the free will of man, the other is also. Foreordination renders the events certain, while foreknowledge presupposes that they are certain. Now if future events are foreknown to God, they cannot by any possibility take a turn contrary to His knowledge.
---Lupe2618 on 5/26/06

Okebaram, When God speaks in Scripture it's always true. When that passage uses the word "If" God responds to the actions of men in order to not contridict His nature of "Righteous" and "love". Not that He changes His mind. He will not contradict Himself so when He tells others, "if" you believe in Me you will be save" He is keeping with His nature. But most everytime He speaks, He does not use "If".
---Lupe2618 on 5/26/06

"God knew that Abraham would sleep with his wife. Abraham was a man of God and wanted to do God's will, he also believed God. So why would not sleep with his wife?" (Rev. Herb)
Very true answer. If Abraham was a silly person, God probably wouldn't have visited him and promised him Isaac.
---Okebaram on 5/26/06

Let's say somehow, Abraham had decided that he won't sleep with Sarah for a whole year, either because he wanted to make God leave him alone or something, then God wouldn't have had to give Him the, no, there wouldn't have been a child. Rememeber how God changed his mind after determining destruction on the people of Nineveh? In most promises (and it was a promise not a prophecy) the receiver has a role to play.
---Okebaram on 5/26/06

mima, God is not a God of confusion He has everything in order just as He says He will do and He man can change what God has prophecied ever.
---jana on 5/23/06

mi ma - "No purpose of God can be thwarted."

That's in the book of Job.
---Donna9759 on 5/22/06

John this is not the same as with Adam and Eve. Abraham was not given a choice. God did not say "IF you sleep with your wife she will become pregnant". There was never any possibility that Abraham would behave in such a way that God's word would not come true. He said the child WOULD be born.
---emg on 5/21/06

The Ninevites stopped the prophecy that they were going to be destroyed in 40 days. God told Adam and Eve that if they ate of the tree would die, and they did. They had the choice, so do we. That doesn't mean we are sovreign, just that God has given us the choice. In Abraham's case, I think God would have found other ways if He had to.
---john on 5/21/06

If God said something will happen then it will, no way around it.Even if Abraham didn't have relations immediatly,later he would & then the baby would come within the next year.
---candice on 5/21/06

I cannot see any point in these sort of 'what ifs'. When God has said that something will happen it will happen. Abraham would have had no more choice in preventing a child being born than he had had up to that point in preventing his wife from being barren.
---M.P. on 5/21/06

God knew that Abraham would sleep with his wife. Abraham was a man of God and wanted to do God's will, he also believed God. So why would not sleep with his wife?
---Rev_Herb on 5/21/06

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