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Does Jesus Have Mary's DNA

If, as has been stated on one blog, Jesus was not created from Mary's genetic material (her fertilized ovum) why bother with the birth at all? Why did the Father not just create a full grown man? Could such a Jesus (not of Mary's ovum) be considered a descendant of Adam, seed of Eve? Gen 3:15

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We consist of 23 chromosomes from our mother and 23 from our father. We are a genetic link to our ancestors and the Y chrmosome only continues down the male line only. Jesus IS THE SON OF GOD AND SCIENCE CAN PROVE THIS BECAUSE HE HAD TO BE PURE. He was born from Mary, but does not have Mary or Joseph's chromosomes because JESUS would then be human and impure. JESUS CAME TO CLEANSE OUR SINS AND WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THIS IF HE HAD IS HUMAN PARENTS DNA. HE WOULD HAVE GENETIC DISORDERS TOO. IF HE CAME AS A WOMAN MAN WOULD HAVE STONED HIM FOR HERESY SO GOD CREATED JESUS IN HIS IMAGE TO SHOW THE LIGHT. GOD IS IN US AND AROUND US. WE CAN BE IN THE LIGHT OR DARK, OUR CHOICE-FREE WILL.
---a_believer on 9/26/09


God did make Adam fully grown. But before Jesus was born on earth, Satan accused God of not really knowing what it is to suffer as a child or to grow up under his curse as a human. But now the adversary has no real reproach against this part of God's perfection.
---Eloy on 3/24/08


The adversary continually blames God for being detached from his suffering creation, thus God himself became closest to his creation and was born himself as humans are, which silences the accusers dissings. "Concerning the Son of him, the coming of the heir of David, down from flesh, marked out the Son of God in power, down from Spirit of holiness, from resurrection from death. For he is touched with the feeling of our infirmities, and was tempted in all points likewise, without sin."
---Eloy on 3/24/08


PART ONE:
Pharisee,
Thanks for the clarification.

To me this is one of those critical points of theology (can you tell?)

For those who may be interested. My understanding is that the messiah had to be a man, a son of Adam. God appeared in the form of a man to various people in the OT in the form of a man. We call these pre-incarnate appearances of God a theophony. For example
---Bruce5656 on 3/24/08


Galatians 4:4 God sent forth His Son, made of a woman.

Mary's DNA gave Him his human attributes.

Denying a physical connection between Mary and Jesus would imply Jesus was not truly human. Jesus was fully human.fully God, with a physical body like ours. This He received from Mary.

John 1:14, 1 Timothy 3:16, and Hebrews 2:14-17. Hebrews 7:26...Jesus sinless nature.

Romans 5:12, 17, 19, suggests the sin nature is passed down through the Father.

Who is the FATHER here?!
---kathr4453 on 8/15/07




Its always assumed that Jesus was the flesh and blood of Mary and God is the father (seed. We know that we have sin and all flesh and blood humans are born with sin, yet Jesus did not sin - did He have a sin nature (he was tempted like us) but did not sin.
Maybe it takes two human parents to make a sin nature or the presence of God in her removed this. Would it matter if the sin nature was transferred through the father or mother.
BC I just know its from you guys. hahaha
---Andrea on 8/14/07


Lorra said : ***She(The RCC???) teaches that Mary was preserved from sin by God at her conception***

ONLY Jesus Christ is/was sinless. Mary if exactly like you and I,were born sinners. If one could be preserved from sin,(immaculately conceived is the only way I know)we all could be preserved from sin,and no miracle of the Word,Jesus Christ becoming flesh would have been necessary.

To make Mary out to be preserved from sin would make her a God no matter how you want to slice the pie.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/07


Lorra said: *If God wanted to forgive us without any effort or contribution on our part, He could have done so without sacrificing His only begotten Son.*

I believe Jesus prayed in the Garden...if there be any other way....well their wasn't!!!

Lorra, do you know what salvation is? It's More than just being forgiven. In Christ death and resurrection ONLY do we have Hope of resurrection life. True salvation is being raised up with Christ, a NEW Creation. And what about God's Wrath? Next
---kathr4453 on 8/13/07


lorra #2

You see, Jesus took OUR wrath upon Him..those who are born again. Eve was a type of Church...taken from Adam's side, as we (the True Church...His Body)...are flesh of His flesh and bone of His bone.

Mary is not immaculately conceived, that would take ANOTHER SEED, and there is only ONE in Scripture....Jesus Christ
---kathr4453 on 8/13/07


Kath, you have confused the doctrine. The Catholic Church does not teach that Mary was more than human, or her parents. She teaches that Mary was preserved from sin by God at her conception, which occurred in the usual way. Her humanity was essential for Christ's work to have any value. If God wanted to forgive us without any effort or contribution on our part, He could have done so without sacrificing His only begotten Son.
---lorra8574 on 8/12/07




Mima. Did you read my posts? Are you, like Helen, still going to deny the REAL Jesus? Are you still going to deny the bibicial profession that Jesus took His flesh from Mary? Have you read Church History (the Early Church Fathers)? Those who say that Jesus was simply placed in Mary's wmb without obtaining her flesh do not have knowledge of Scriptures and are ignorant of Church History.
---Ramon on 8/12/07


Jody by this statement ,"Bible says that the Holy Spirit Came upon Mary which means to me that she was impregnated be the Spirit or that would not have been necessary." Are you saying that the Holy Spirit and Mary had physical relations?
---Mima on 8/12/07


Lisa, I think the issue is not understanding Jesus sinless perfection. But it does bring up another interesting problem created by the Catholic Church. Is Mary more than human herself? Was Mary's Mother overshaddowed by The Holy Spirit?. Is Mary equal to Jesus Christ??...NO! NO! NO! For her to be without sin she would also have to be God who existed from eternity past. Mary's parents were both human,therefore Mary had a sin nature, and cannot have any Godlike qualities.
---kathr4453 on 8/12/07


lisa #2
Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, And to seeds, as of many, but as of one, And to your Seed, who is Christ.


There is only "*ONE* SEED" who is Christ. Mary is not who the Catholic Church makes her out to be, otherwise there would be noted in scripture another SEED of God's planted in Mary's mothers womb making Mary fully God fully Human. Our Hope and redemption is in Jesus Christ death and resurrection ALONE.
---kathr4453 on 8/12/07


Bruce5656,

Jesus could not have been the 2nd Adam if not from Mary's womb. There is no scripture about a 2nd Eve, and if there were, scripture would be very open and clear about that. In making that possible, God would have created a second Adam and Eve as he did originally. Eve was taken out of Adam's side, not created or formed as Adam. Mary then would have to be formed out of Jesus rib for her to be the New Eve.

The Church, His Bride, are Bone of His Bone, and Flesh of His Flesh.
---kathr4453 on 8/12/07


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RCC States:
Because she is the New Eve, she, like the New Adam, is born immaculate, just as the First Adam and Eve were created immaculate. Because she is New Eve, she is mother of the new mankind (Christians), just as the first Eve was the mother of first mankind (the children of Adam). And, because she is the New Eve, she shares the fate of the New Adam. The First Adam and Eve died and went to dust, the New Adam and Eve were physically raised to heaven.
---kath4453 on 8/12/07


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Our redemption is in Jesus Christ alone. We (Born Again Christians)having identified with Christ in death and resurrection life, having been raised up together with HIM, are baptisied into HIS BODY, forming the Church. He is the Head of the Body,just as Adam was the Head of Eve. There is no need for another Eve,for WE are His Bride, His Body. It's through Jesus Blood we are washed and redeemed and purchsed. Mary shed no blood. Hebrews 10. We enter through the Veil,that is to say *HIS* Flesh to the Father.
---kathr4453 on 8/12/07


Lori> you are so right.
The people who can't understand The Blessed Mother's role in Jesus's life is beyond me.
Yes. Jesus does have Mary's DNA. That is a no-brainer!
Those that disagree are totally disrespectful to the Lord's mother. Jesus Honored His Mother and Father and Joesph His surragote father.
Those that argue this truth, Just hate Mary the Blessed Mother.
---Lisa on 8/11/07


I do not know what other blog you are referring to but the Bible says that the Holy Spirit Came upon Mary which means to me that she was impregnated be the Spirit or that would not have been necessary. So then, Jesus would have carried her genetic make up. This only makes sence as He was God sent to earth as a MAN so he needed mans genes.
---jody on 8/11/07


It was necessary for Jesus to be in the bloodline of David, and Adam. It was necessary that He be fully human, even though He was also God. So yes, Jesus carried Mary's blood and DNA in His own flesh and blood, human, body.

God could have just snapped His fingers and said I forgive you all and left it at that, but He is Our Father and we would have learned nothing.
---lorra8574 on 8/11/07


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This blog is so stupid. It is recorded that Mary gave birth to the baby in the manger. Jesus did not miraculously appear. Even women that give birth through invetro methods are still the biological mother of the child. why because her DNA infuses the child as it grows. she give the fetus nourishment, vitamins, her genes. even surrogates are bioligical mothers of children. science proved Jesus's mother is Mary. why argue over it here.
---Lori on 8/11/07


Mima, Adam the first was formed out of the dust of the earth, Eve was formed out of Adams' rib. God didnot create Jesus out of the dust of the earth, although He could have if He wanted to. Adam was not formed as a baby, but a full grown man. So in essence, our flesh was formed originally of the dust of the earth...(ashes to ashes, dust to dust) still is. The bible says, the soul that sinneth it shall die...Jesus was not a newly created soul..He was/is God from the beginning.
---kathr4453 on 8/10/07


#2

1 Corinthians 15 says, the First man Adam was a life giving soul, the 2nd Adam...Jesus Christ, is a life giving Spirit. Our sin nature is not in our epidermis, but our soul. Jesus came to save our souls. Our sinful nature comes from our soul. Our soul is where the heart is...our inner most central point of our conscience. Our Conscience (those born again) was purged and cleansed by the Blood of Jesus...Hebrews
We are a New Creation. Ask the Lord to enlighten you. He will!
---kathr4453 on 8/10/07


"There is safety in a multitude of teachers," Proverbs 11:14, not popular votes.
---Bob on 8/8/07


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#3 Thus, the royal line is passed through Jesus' legal Father, and His PHYSICAL DESCENT FROM DAVID is established by Mary's lineage.

Mary truly was His [Jesus] Mother Helen. She gave Him His Flesh ("He became flesh" John 1:14).

Helen, you believe in a heresy. You don't want to admit the biblical profession that Mary gave Jesus His flesh. He was was a descent of David because Mary gave Him His flesh too.
---Ramon on 8/7/07


#4 Luke's genealogy (Luke 3:23-38) traces the lineage of Jesus through the Males in Mary's line (she was also from the Davidic line). Do you have a different Bible than me Helen?

Luke stresses that Jesus is the flesh and blood (i.e., offspring) of Mary and therefore one of us (cf. Rom 1:3). This is only true if Jesus got His flesh from Mary, which you deny. Thus, the Gospel writer assert both Jesus' legal and biological (Mary gave Him His flesh) right to Messiahship.
---Ramon on 8/7/07


Mima *Jesus came in the flesh, by way of the birth canal, but the embryo that became the human Jesus was not from Mary's fertilized egg.... so her egg would have transferred original sin to Jesus and that is an impossibility!!*

You err Mima. The problem with your claim is that Paul said that Adam pass the sinful nature to all men, NOT EVE! (Rom 5:12) Sin came through Adam not Eve!

What does that tell us? The sinful nature (or original sin) is passed through the Father not the Mother.
---Ramon on 8/7/07


Mima.#2 Therefore, you greatly err, not knowing the Scriptures.

*Jesus came in the flesh, by way of the birth canal*

Mima, like Helen, you make no sense. What was the purpose of Mary then? Why did God needed Mary? He could have just send Jesus to Earth as a shooting Star.

*Jesus was not from Mary's fertilized egg.*

According to the Bible and Church History, He was! (Luke 1:31 "Conceived")
---Ramon on 8/7/07


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Mima.#3 Please produce one Scripture that said Jesus was placed In Mary' womb and did not receive His flesh from Mary.

*did Adam(you know the first man) come in the flesh?? If so, where did Adam get his flesh? He had no mother!*

True, but Jesus got His flesh from Mary as the Bible and Church History professes. How else could He be biologically from the "House of David" as the Bible states? Adam and Jesus are two different people Mima.
---Ramon on 8/7/07


Mima.#4 Since Jesus had not literal, biological father, the sin nature was not passed down to Him. However, since He had a human mother, he was fully human but without original sin. According to the Bible the father is the one who represents his family, his descendants.

Jesus' flesh came Mary Mima. You see, your posts doesn't prove me, the Bible, and others, wrong!

Mima, if you don't believe that Jesus got His flesh from Mary then you believe in a counterfeit Jesus and NOT the real Jesus.
---Ramon on 8/7/07


Helen (For the Word to become flesh Jesus the Son of God had to be put into Mary's womb where He became flesh.)

So you do agree that Jesus got His flesh from the Virgin Mary as the Bible states and His divine Nature from God?

If not what was the purpose of Mary? Why did God need Mary for? Just to be a "carrier"? That doesn't make sense, and you know it, it just your Pastor taught you differently, contrary to the Bible.
---Ramon on 8/7/07


#2 *Jesus' human lineage came through Joseph (Luke 3:23 and Matthew 1:16). Mary is not in the lineage of Jesus.*

So are you saying that Joseph gave Jesus His flesh, thereby Joseph is His biological Father? Joseph was His legal Father not His biological.. His flesh came from Mary Helen.

Luke's genealogy moves backward from Jesus to Adam, Matthews move forward, from Abraham to Joseph. Luke's is seen as Mary's genealogy, and Matthew's version represents Joseph's.
---Ramon on 8/7/07


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Question, did Adam(you know the first man) come in the flesh?? If so, where did Adam get his flesh? He had no mother! Certainly there was no egg fertilized in Adams case. Jesus came in the flesh, by way of the birth canal, but the embryo that became the human Jesus was not from Mary's fertilized egg. All have sinned, and that includes mary, so her egg would have transferred original sin to Jesus and that is an impossibility!!
---Mima on 8/7/07


Remember 1st John said, those who don't believe Jesus Christ came in the FLESH are anti-christ. If Jesus FLESH was not of Mary, but some divine organic material, I don't believe Jesus could have died in the flesh. Then your sin or mine would not be forgiven.
---kathr4453 on 8/7/07


#2
Maybe I'm wrong, but our actual epidermis is not sin, but was affected by sin. Since Jesus Christ is God and was from the beginning of time, He did not at the time of His earthly birth become a NEW Living SOUL, as we become when we are born. If He has, He wouldn't be the "Word" who became flesh.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
---kathr4453 on 8/7/07


#3
Hebrews 2:14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil,

15And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels, but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

It's all right here....nothing about divine flesh.
---kathr4453 on 8/7/07


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Ramon - What I am saying is that "the Word became flesh". For the Word to become flesh Jesus the Son of God had to be put into Mary's womb where He became flesh. Jesus' human lineage came through Joseph (Luke 3:23 and Matthew 1:16). Mary is not in the lineage of Jesus.
---Helen_5378 on 8/6/07


Mima - ("However I'm under the impression that Jesus is not a descendent of Adam's but rather was the second Adam.") -- That is a powerful statement. Jesus did not take His lineage from Mary, but from Joseph (Matthew 1:1-16 and Luke 3:23-38).
---Helen_5378 on 8/6/07


I agree with Bruce. Jesus would not be called God and Man, on earth, if He was not Man. He also would have no brothers as He would be all God and have no earthly brothers.
Remember after His resurrection, when Jesus said, Touch Me not.
---Bob on 8/6/07


There was no recognition of Jesus in His glorified body by the disciples who encountered the risen Jesus. It happened to the group of the apostles on the shore of the Sea of Galilee (John 21). Mary Magdalene recognized Jesus only when he spoke her name, "Mary." She replied, "Rabboni" ("teacher"). It was then that Jesus told her not to touch Him, giving as the reason for this the fact that He had not yet "ascended" to His Father (John 20:17).
---Bob on 8/6/07


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Helen ( It was Jesus Christ the Son of God whom the Holy Spirit put into Mary's womb.)

Again, you have no proof in Scriptures that Jesus was only "placed" in Mary's womb without obtaining her flesh.

How can Jesus be from the House of David or the "seed of David" as Luke and Paul said if He didn't get His flesh from Mary? Why He need Mary then Helen?

This is an old argument, which you could never answer nor give any Scriptures to back up your theory.
---Ramon on 8/6/07


Christ was born through David's lineage to typify his kingship. A Christ not of the existing human race wouldn't be "qualified" to heal the condition of sin, since he wouldn't carry the lineage of Adam, which was required to create an exemption to the curse sufficient to cover mankind. That is why we are "born again", to spiritually inherit the healing of the condition of sin (typified as the human transaction of the payment of a debt), and uninherit the eternal consquence of sin.
---Jim on 8/6/07


Bruce you ask,"Could such a Jesus (not of Mary's ovum) be considered a descendant of Adam, seed of Eve? Gen 3:15. However I'm under the impression that Jesus is not a descendent of Adam's but rather was the second Adam. And of course there is a sharp distinction between the two thoughts.
---Mima on 8/6/07


It was Jesus Christ the Son of God whom the Holy Spirit put into Mary's womb. The Word became flesh.
---Helen_5378 on 8/6/07


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Good question and excellent answers, Bruce.
Where are you, by the way?

Helen, do you have any Scripture to back up your theory?
---Wheres_Bruce on 8/4/07


# Luke 1:45
And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
Thanks to God!Thanks to the Blessed Mother who God put his only Son in the care of such a great woman!
---Lisa on 8/4/07


Joesph was the protector and earthly father to watch over Jesus as a baby and child.
The Blessed Mothers Body did feed Jesus in the womb as all babies are fed through the umbilical ..which includes blood, nutrients. Once conceived by the Holy Spirit, Marys body served as the ark to bring Jesus through the entire gestation process. sorry folks that includes her blood too the flesh-True Son of Man..and the spirit the divinity of the Lord..Perfect Son of God.
---Lisa on 8/4/07


And for the word seed...the bible uses this word to mean "child" Gen 3:15, Gen 4:25, Gen 7:3, Ex 32:13, Ex 33:1(just to name a few) The original Hebrew also uses this word to mean child or offspring. So seed is not sperm...but child of Mary and Joseph. And before you say it...not biological child of, but yes child of in the sense that they were his acting mother and father. His true father was God, as you all know.
---mary on 8/4/07


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Actually, no one can damage future prophecy. Only those who follow other jesus's or replacement teachings are just being prepared to follow anti-christ. Satan has had 6000 years to plan all of this, for the grand finally. The Lord said in the OT...I will put a "test" before you, to know truth from lies, good from evil. No one can pass a test unless they study. Now who is giving that test? And WHO's answer book are they coming out of?
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom. Now Study!
---kathr4453 on 3/7/07


The TRUE Jesus Christ is full of GRACE and TRUTH. Ist Century Christians didn't question Mary's ovum...but said: "What must we do to be saved".
Later,one false religion placed the prophecy on Mary, not Jesus Christ, severly damaging future prophecy yet to be fulfilled.
Another came along and and said their jesus is satan's brother.
Another saying their jesus is Michael the Angel...
and on and on. No "root" in OT. All false doctrine. All false jesus' who cannot save.
---kathr4453 on 3/6/07


Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. OT Prophecy. And He did. Any other Jesus is not the true Jesus Christ. All false religions have a jesus not rooted in that OT prophecy. "Of the seed of David is OT prophecy".
---kathr4453 on 3/6/07


Mima: Be careful. Ist John said, those who say Jesus didn't come in the flesh are anti-christ. The scriptures including the very words of Jesus mouth HIMSELF, were HE was from the seed of David. Unless that is clearly understood, we will have all kind of jesus's floating around, not rooted to the foundations of scripture established.....as we are already seeing (anti-christ doctrine). No one in the 1st century even asked such questions as we do like, DNA ect.
---kathr4453 on 3/6/07


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If Jesus was just 'dropped' into Mary's womb why did God need Mary? HE could have emerged from an egg, or just shown up as an adult.

That is the 'Hypostatic Union'. ALL man, and ALL God.
---NVBarbara on 3/5/07


Adm was created full-grown. Was he fully man? Even the RCC understands that Jesus could not come from Mary's egg unless Mary was sinless therefore they preach Mary was without sin, and thereby make her a God. Jesus was born through Mary(The birth canal) but the embryo that became Jesus was miraculously planted in Mary's womb. Please read Hebrews 10:5.
---Mima on 3/5/07


The Truth: Hua? what you talkin' about Willis?
---Rebecca_D on 3/5/07


This IS "The Truth":
Mary=David's descendent,of the Tribe of Judah.
John 7:42
Hath not the scripture said,That Christ cometh of the seed of David,and out of the town of Bethlehem,where David was?
Romans 1:3
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Revelation 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.I am the root and the offspring of David,and the bright and morning star.
---kathr4453 on 3/5/07


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The reason why Jesus's DNA does not match Mary's is that the person who died on the cross and burried as Jesus was not really him. Jesus was lifted by God when he tried to get persecuted by the Jews. Only God can forigive our sins.
---the_truth on 2/28/07


Jesus was 100% man and 100% God. I beleive that he was Mary's true child, not just an implanted embryo.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/24/06


Helen::Jesus was God & man NO sin nature you are wrong again sorry.The whole of christendom acknowledges God incarnate ie God as well as man.Mary was chosen to be HIS SONS Mother yes even using HER EGG.
---Emcee on 7/24/06


Mary's egg was not used. If it had been used then Jesus would have had the sin nature. Jesus became flesh for one purpose and that was to go to the Cross as the Sacrifice for the sin of the world.
---Helen_5378 on 7/24/06


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YES. It's the only way he could be equally man and God at the same time. If He was not man, He could not suffer as a man suffers. If He was not God, His death could not atone for the sins of mankind.
---Donna2277 on 7/24/06


What woman can make a child, it was the seed of God that made him flesh, all other flesh came from the earth, his flesh was made from God. In the beginning was the Word and the word was with God and the word was God. And the word was made flesh and dwelt among us. His flesh was made of God and he had his Fathers blood.
---Exzucuh on 7/23/06


Where was the Word made Flesh if not in the womb of the Virgin Mary?

From whom did the Eternal Logos take flesh, if not the Virgin Mary herself?
---Jack on 7/23/06


Geoff:: As you have said this is a mystery.That being so why is it necessary to delve into something that has no bearing to us as humans ,it serves no purpose except to satisfy ones idle curiosity & it would seem,to be the instigation of the Arch Enemy to detract us away from the most important thing that is to know GOD love & serve him.If it was all that important Jesus would have let us know.
---Emcee on 7/23/06


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This is truly a deep thread. Each point of view has significant implications. We all must admit life itself & Jesus' incarnation is truly a mystery beyond our finite understanding. This inspires me to study the Bible to know the truth about Jesus. I will share what I find & encourage you to do the same. For starters, we know Jesus is fully God & fully man-John 3:16, 13:31.
---Geoff on 7/23/06


Cathy ::The answer does not lie In genetics & those who purport to be geneticist's.Its faith, every thing does not have to be explained.Love & trust is the alpha & omega of ones belief in GOD's word. DNA may be used in a court of Law but not in the court of Almighty God,who is also the Alpha & Omega of everything.Follow me HE says ...
---Emcee on 7/23/06


Ok... Lets get one thing straight about jesus and mary for those people who think they know about jesus and mary you need to look up the real bible which is orignaly written in greek (aramic),roman, and hewbrew three tectures that was inscripted hundreds years ago. If you read the old testment it talks about the begining of a new world how it was made and before that. The New testment talks about how the new world and what is going to happen if people in the world don't straighten up.
---john on 7/23/06


When God created Adam and Eve He didn't use an egg or sperm, yet they were fully human. In the same way, God didn't use Mary's egg to put Jesus in her womb. If her egg was used, then that would mean He would have been born a sinner, since he would have had her DNA.
---Cathy on 6/22/06


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Eloy::can you brush off the claim by your statement Believe what I desire >I desire to know the truth & I quoted luke1:35 in correction your statement are you saying the bible is wrong?.Are you refuting the written word.Christian charity prevents me from being more vocal, so I hide under the cloak of silence, yet seeking an answer,expressing truth.
---Emcee on 6/4/06


emcee, you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 6/4/06


Jesus is god's son as claimed by christians....born of mary without a material father...
---emman4673 on 6/3/06


Jesus was the Son of God and the Son of Mary through the woman he was the son of man because God made man male and female. He was not the Son of Adam he was the second Adam, he was not made of the earth but was the word made flesh. If he was Adams offspring he could not die for our sins. No son of Adam is worthy.
---Exzucuh on 6/3/06


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Pharisee,
If my ramblings are of any help you are certainly free to make use of them. God bless.
---Bruce5656 on 6/3/06


Bruce the last part 1-8 you gave were dead on. Good illustration, and what a hope and comfort that comes from it as it reflects upon the birth of our savior.

I'm glad we have a human Jesus too, because he's are hope of glory.

I'm teaching on the birth of Christ this week, and I was wondering if I could share your commentary with your permission and blessing as a resource to willing hearts?
---Pharisee on 6/3/06


Eloy ::- Correction the angel was the messenger The Holy Spirit was the overshadower & implanter Luke1:35, by the power Most High.
---Emcee on 6/2/06




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