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2008 Mark Of The Beast Mandatory

On May 11 2005 congress passed and President Bush signed the law that established the mechanism for the implementation of the mark of the beast. The law is called Real ID Act this mandates that every Amercian have a National ID card by May 8 2008.

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it is not the mark of the beast yet, the mark of the beast will no come at first like a tatoo, people will get the idea of a electronic tatoo by providing things like a microship or cards, microships would not work because people would take it out, cards either, but a tatoo is untakeble.
This law does make part of the mark, it is only the beginning.
---gui on 1/29/08


Here you go, betty.
Answers to your questions.
---Mike on 1/13/08


yes the Christian will know because before the end of time u will have to choose to take the mark or die and i'm standing by what i said. Read Rev. 13:16,17, 14:9,11, and 20:4 thank u again u will know!
---ANN on 9/18/07


ANN: "this isn't the mark of the beast, the Bible says the mark would be a tattoo not a card and even if it was I still wouldn't get one.

On the contrary, Christians will not even know they have taken the mark, even the elect will be fooled if it were possible. These are the last days in which you need to put on the whole armor of God and pray that you and yours are worthy of God's protection.
---Steveng on 9/17/07


this isn't the mark of the beast, the Bible says the mark would be a tattoo not a card and even if it was I still wouldn't get one.
---ANN on 9/16/07




Faye: If you are new to the faith I suggest you reading the KJVBible from beginning to end - without concordances, dictionaries, novels, and other Christian reference books. Don't learn a verse here and a verse there like most Christians. Your faith will grow, your relationship with God will congeal. Choose a half and hour before you go to bed and be consistant. At the same time join a home church.
---Steveng on 9/16/07


Well, we already need to have government id numbers to get a job, pay income tax, collect social security or old age pensions. We need a driver's licence to drive a car or truck and we can be identified with that quite readily. We need a passport to travel and our births and deaths are registered.

Jesus did not tell us to reject lawful authority. The Mark of the Beast will be more readily discernable than some government ID card.
---lorra8574 on 4/4/07


joshua-read colossians 2:14 blotting out the handwritting of ordances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to the cross; does that really sound like the commandments or, is it the laws that moses wrote with his own hand. Be careful when you read these texts that you find out exactly what sabath its talking about. I was confused for a while untill i started really reading the texts around these verses don't let them fool you.
---ramona on 4/4/07


Let no man impose those things upon you, for God has not imposed them." [Now this is an awsome scripture of it's own]. [Angels don't impress me very much, I want the real thing, I want GOD.] I read Col. 2==16-3. And I don't know what God is talking about. However, I did get a little of it. It is true wisdom to keep close to the appointment of the Gospel, and an entire subjection to Christ, the only head of the church. [that I get]. The only one we have to please. Praise GOD. Amen.
---catherine on 3/26/07


Col.2:16, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days". Bickering is like fiddling while Rome burns. The mark is now being implemented, and we've not been raptured yet as we were told by "learned" theologians. The "mark" in Greek denotes a "pointed etching", so it's likely a tatoo; but the chip is too close for comfort, so why take a chance? Awaken and quit fighting each other!
---Joshua on 3/25/07




The Real ID Act is not just swinging around Congress - It has been passed. A recent article stated that Congress had granted the states an extension of the May 8, 2007 deadline for implementation.
---Bob54 on 3/22/07


The Real Id Act is not the mark of the beast as I see it. Rather it is to mentally condition the public to accept a centralized identification system. Think about the location of the "Mark of the Beast". In the hand or in the forehead. With current microchip implants there has been talk of using iris or fingerprint scans as final verification to prevent counterfeit chips from being used. Think location- In hand along with fingerprint; In forehead along with iris scan. Hmmm...
---Bob54 on 3/22/07


this doesn't mean it is the beast, it's just an idea swinging in Congress, who knows if it'll pass or not,but also if we donot want one then its our freedom rights act, &we can object.
---canda3649 on 3/20/07


Lee, surely you're not confusing legalism and obedience. What's the difference? There is a difference... Your answer please.
---Geoff on 3/19/07


If ELOY saids that it is recorded in the BIBLE to worship Christ on Sunday, I believe it I AM NOT GOING TO LOOK IT UP BUT this should put an end to this debate, and keep that day HOLY.
---CATHERINE on 2/2/07


Kay, bible says Christ died on Friday Mat27:62 called day of preparation and Gen1:31 God created food for all on 6th day. Rested on the blessed 7thday. Mary Mag; went 2 the tomb with spices day of resurection which is Sunday. So how can u call sunday Sabbath when it is the first day of week Mat28:1.
---jana on 2/2/07


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Lee, man like u dont like being told what 2do not even by God. Legalist or not, if God commanded us to obey, then we must or else u r obeying the enemy as u have displayed thru your blog. If u call Christs commands as being legalist,then your against Him.Who can be against Him.Lord have mercy
---jana on 2/2/07


Sunday Worship: Worshipping Christ on Sunday is recorded in the Bible. Please read Matthew 28:1,5,6,9,16,17; Luke 24:1,5-8,51-53; Acts 20:7; I Corinthians 16:2; Colossians 2:16.
---Eloy on 2/1/07


Kay "Gina, the Bible makes it very clear that the followers of Christ gathered together on Sunday after the resurrection." You talk to me saying I am under a delusion of EGW, yet I quote scripture to back up my beliefs. So Kay, show me the verse where the Sabbath was changed to Sunday.... Who is deceived here? Those who follow the Bible, or those who follow man's tradition of Sunday?
---Gina on 2/1/07


Was Jesus a legalists?

legalism \le-ge-li-zem\ n 1 : strict, literal, or excessive conformity to the law or to a religious or moral code.

I think the concept is that of one believes rules, regulations, excessively bound by laws believing salvation is in the attainment in contrast to living by faith.
---lee on 1/31/07


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Mima, if legalism=the keeping of law, then Jesus would be a legalist-Heb 4:15, 1 Jn 3:4, Jn 14:21.

Kay, what about the identification of those who don't receive the mark as Commandment keepers-Rev 12:17, 14:12?
---Geoff on 1/31/07


"This cannot proven by the Holy Scriptures. It is an opinion."

Gina, the Bible makes it very clear that the followers of Christ gathered together on Sunday after the resurrection. If you deny this then you're reading your Bible with your eyes closed. Paul preached on Sunday, Jesus appeared to the disciples on Sunday, the first sermon preached by Peter was on Sunday, 3,000 people joined the Church and were baptized on Sunday, the disciples took communion on Sunday, etc.
---Kay6588 on 1/30/07


Gina, the Sabbath was taken out of the way and nailed to the cross.

The observance of the Lord's Supper took place on Sunday. Do you not believe that the commemoration of Jesus' death and resurrection is a form of worship? Did the disciples ever take communion on the 7th day? I don't think so.
---Kay6588 on 1/31/07


"..whether you realize it or not, but by worshipping God on Sunday, you give homage to the Roman Catholic Church."

So we are to worship God Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, but Hell bound we are if we worship Almighty God on Sunday. GOOD GRIEF!
---Kay6588 on 1/31/07


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"The Beast is the RC Church, no other power fits the description."

Gina, lean not unto your own understanding (Proverbs 3:5). Also, I would like to add that the Beast is a person, not a church.
---Kay6588 on 1/31/07


Legalism(the keeping of law) is very appealing to the natural man. The natural man of course is fallen man(lean not to your own understanding). Scripture says that no one will be justified by the law. But those who are into works(again legalism) refused to accept what Scriptures say. Jesus has released them from the law. But they refuse to accept their freedom given them by grace.
---Mima on 1/30/07


Gina - *Its ok to kill now, be a liar, commit adultery, ...*worship other Gods?*

Apparently what Gina and our SDA friends like to beleive is that if it were not for the 10 commandments we would commit all kinds of immorality - we would not know what is right or wrong. They fail to understand that one can be a moral person apart from the law.

Man (born in the image of God) has an innate conscience that tells him what is right or wrong.


---lee on 1/30/07


"Helen 5738 says "Gina- Jesus took the whole Law, which includes the Ten Commandments, away on the Cross." Really?"

Gina, yes, REALLY!

"Its okay to kill now, be a liar, commit adultery, worship idols, worship other Gods?"

No, because those commands are included within the New Covenant laws of Jesus Christ.
---Kay6588 on 1/29/07


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Gina, those "outside" the Holy City aren't literally OUTSIDE the gates of the City. The word "outside" or "without" is a reference to the opposite of Heaven, which is Hell. To say that "outside" the Holy City there are literally adulterers, murders, etc. is to say that such people will be in God's eternal Kingdom. Not biblical.
---Kay6588 on 1/29/07


"And who is INSIDE? Rev 22:14 states those who do his commandments. This is obviously the 10 commandments."

Gina, that is according to Ellen White, but according to God it is a reference to the commandments of the NC, the commandments of Jesus Christ for NT believers. The Old Covenant is gone and that includes the 10 commandments (2 Cor. 3). Please accept this biblical fact.
---Kay6588 on 1/29/07


"Would you agree that being born again is more than just saying you're born again?"

Geoff, of course. The Bible says in Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, AND trust IN YOUR HEART that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
---Kay6588 on 1/29/07


"Do you suppose there are many who think they are but are not? Rev 2:9, 3:9"

Yes. I know a few Roman Catholics who claim to be saved based on the fact that they were born into a good Catholic family. So what do these verses have to do with the subject? Are you Jewish? They are referring to those who claim to be Jews but really they aren't. Kind of like SDAs who claim to be Israel but are not.
---Kay6588 on 1/29/07


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"No, Kay,the disciples worshiped on the 7th day Sabbath,in obedience to the 4th C, Exodus 20:8-11."

Gina, the disciples were Jews born under the Old Covenant. But after the resurrection of Christ, they started to gather together on Sundays as well as on Saturdays.
---Kay6588 on 1/30/07


"This is where in the Bible God commands His followers to worship him on a particular day"

Gina, just because Jewish followers which were born under the law of Moses observed the Sabbath does NOT mean those who are born under the law of Christ are to observe Old Covenant laws.
---Kay6588 on 1/30/07


"and yes, it does apply to us today, as all 10 stand or fall together,& the 4th holds them all together pointing to which God should be worshipped."

They cannot stand because they have already fallen. The Old Covenant is history, Gina. Your views are based on false doctrines invented by a false prophet.
---Kay6588 on 1/30/07


Helen 5738 says "Gina- Jesus took the whole Law, which includes the Ten Commandments, away on the Cross." Really? Its okay to kill now, be a liar, commit adultery, worship idols, worship other Gods? I dont think so. Who is outside of the New Jerusalem, the Holy City? Rev 22:15 lists whoremongers, murderers, liars, sorcerers... all commandment breakers. And who is INSIDE? Rev 22:14 states those who do his commandments. This is obviously the 10 commandments. See also Rev 21:8 listing the lost..
---Gina on 1/29/07


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Kay said "Geoff, you avoid having to worship the Beast by being a born-again believer." And since they have no pleasure in unrighteousness, I suppose they are commandment keepers. Would you agree that being born again is more than just saying you're born again? Do you suppose there are many who think they are but are not? Rev 2:9, 3:9
---Geoff on 1/29/07


True, Jesus also said "Don't think, I came to do away with the law but to fulfil the law."
---CATHERINE on 1/28/07


Gina - Jesus took the whole Law, which includes the Ten Commandments, away on the Cross. "Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty" (2 Corinthians 3:17). True born-again Christians have been set free from all forms of legalism by Jesus' finished work on the Cross. We are free to worship the Lord Jesus Christ all of the time! We are under the New Covenant in His Blood.
---Helen_5378 on 1/28/07


Kay "Gina,I guess the disciples went to Hell for gathering together on Sundays, huh!?! No where in the Bible does God tell us to worship Him on a particular day." No, Kay,the disciples worshiped on the 7th day Sabbath,in obedience to the 4th C, Exodus 20:8-11. This is where in the Bible God commands His followers to worship him on a particular day, and yes, it does apply to us today, as all 10 stand or fall together,& the 4th holds them all together pointing to which God should be worshipped.
---Gina on 1/27/07


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Sunday gatherings started soon after the resurrection of Christ.
---Kay on 1/22/07

This cannot proven by the Holy Scriptures. It is an opinion. There are 8 texts in the NT that mentioned the first day of the week, and NONE of them mention a change in the Sabbath, nor that worship was being done on that day.
---Gina on 1/27/07


Edict of March 7, 321 A.D. Corpus Juris Civilis Cod.,lib.3,tit.12 Lex.3 "Let all the judges and town people, and the occupation of all trades rest on the venerable day of the sun" Constantine's Sunday Edict
---Gina on 1/27/07


"The earliest recognition of the observation of Sunday as a legal duty is a constitution of Constantine in 321 AD enacting that all courts of justice, inhabitants of towns, and workshops were to be at rest on Sunday (venerabili die Solis) with an exception in favor of those engaged in agricultural labor" Enclyclopedia Britannica, 9th edition, article "Sunday"
---Gina on 1/27/07


Steve, my point was that gathering on Sunday wasn't invented by the Roman Catholics.
---Kay6588 on 1/23/07
But this does not stop the Catholics from claiming the change in the Sabbath is the mark of their authority in religious matters. "We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the council of Laodicia (AD 364) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday" CONVERTS CATECHISM OF CATHOLIC DOCTRINE, page 50, 3rd edition.
---Gina on 1/27/07


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"Question: Have you any other way of proving that the church (Roman Catholic) has power to institute festivals of precept? Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the 7th day, a change for which there is no scriptural authority" A DOCTRINAL CATECHISM, by Stephen Keenan, page 174.
---Gina on 1/27/07


Kay: "Gina, the Pope did NOT change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Everything that you said is based on Ellen Whites wild imagination." Slowly Sunday came to replace the Sabbath, and in 321 AD we have Constantines Venerable Day of the Sun edict, then during Pope Sylvester's rule, 314 to 337 AD the festival of Sunday became to be regarded as the "Lord's Day" (and the Bible Sabbath called a relic of the Jews, and those who observed it were pronounced accursed)
---Gina on 1/27/07


Since there is no Bible basis for Sunday observance, and the Catholic church claims the change in the Sabbath is the Mark of the church's authority in religious matters, whether you realize it or not, but by worshipping God on Sunday, you give homage to the Roman Catholic Church. I choose to be a Protestant, and reject all doctrines that are Catholic and do not line up with the Bible. Sunday is one of them.
---Gina on 1/27/07


"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters" H.F.Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons (in answering to a letter regarding the change in the Sabbath). Let us recap: what is the MARK of the Catholic Church's power & authority in religious matters? The change in the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, as spoken by a representative of the Catholic Church themselves.
---Gina on 1/27/07


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Only the Roman Catholic Church received it seat/authority from Pagan Rome and is a political as well as religious power (Rev 13:4)Has a leader who claims to be God on earth and is able to forgive sins (blasphemy) Rev 13:1, Is a Mother church (Protestant daughters) Rev 17:5/ Tampered with God's law in the change of the Sabbath Dan 7:25/Killed protestants during middle ages Rev 13:7/Man at head Rev 13:18 with number of name being 666. The Beast is the RC Church, no other power fits the description.
---Gina on 1/27/07


"A gathering happened any day of the week just like in the OT."

Steve, my point was that gathering on Sunday wasn't invented by the Roman Catholics.
---Kay6588 on 1/23/07


Kay: A gathering happened any day of the week just like in the OT. Just because the Scriptures noted having a gathering on the first day of the week. These gatherings happened after the apostles entered a city or entered a personal home, they broke bread, drank wine, worshipped, encouraged one another. I believe Christians should start their own home church especially as we enter the tribulation.
---Steve on 1/23/07


Kay - *Sunday gatherings started soon after the resurrection of Christ.*

That has been the finding of many SDA scholars.

Robert Brinmead, a former SDA theologian and historian claims the early church which was totally Jewish observed the Sabbath and other Mosaic laws until the power shifted to the Gentiles who recognized the decisions of the Jerusalem Council.Acts 15.
---lee on 1/22/07


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"Emporer Constantine during the counsel at Nice changed the worship day from Saturday to Sunday.."

Not so. They boast about changing it, but that is far from the truth. Sunday gatherings started soon after the resurrection of Christ.
---Kay on 1/22/07


There is a lot of things I question concerning Ellen White. However, Emporer Constantine during the counsel at Nice changed the worship day from Saturday to Sunday when he became christian and him and his boys sat around to come up with a common practice to bring pagan and christians under one umbrella(this happened around 325 AD). This is how pagan worship crept into Christianity. If you check history on Constantine and his conversion to christianity, you will see this is a fact.
---Kimberly on 1/22/07


I feel sorry for you people who think Satan can do a miracle he can't do anything. you give him power, and they gave power to the beast, you do it. He uses people he deceives them then uses the Anointing God gave them, the gifts and calling of God are without repentance, Satan's power is in Flesh alone to overcome the flesh destroys his dominion.
---exzucuh on 1/21/07


Steveng, it seems to me that you don't believe Jesus performs any miracles now. Is that what you believe? Have you never seen a miracle?
---faye4464 on 1/21/07


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The national ID is NOT the mark of the beast.
---Nellah on 1/21/07


"If you have guessed the Papacy,
you are correct. The man at the head is the Pope."

Gina, I used to think as you do but decided not to let my imagination jump ahead of things. By the way, does Revelation 13:4 actually mention Rome?

"2. Rules the world for 1260 years (538AD to 1798AD)"

Its 1260 DAYS. So its actually 3.5 years. How did you come up with those dates when the Antichrist is yet to come?
---Kay6588 on 1/21/07


Gina, the Pope did NOT change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Everything that you said is based on Ellen Whites wild imagination.

"They choose to worship satan,& take the mark of the beast,worshiping on the wrong day, Sunday,the counterfeit sabbath."

Gina, no where in the Bible does it forbid anyone from attending church on Sunday. Satan doesn't want us to worship Jesus at all so why in the world would he force people to worship God on any given day?!
---Kay6588 on 1/21/07


Gina, I guess the disciples went to Hell for gathering together on Sundays, huh!?! No where in the Bible does God tell us to worship Him on a particular day. He wants us to worship Him daily, not just once a week. The Jewish Sabbath was to be a day of rest, not worship.
---Kay6588 on 1/21/07


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Be careful Gina. I don't want to offend you but I believe I can safely say that you gained that knowledge from someone elses interpretation of the end time prophecies. Did you honestly come up with that from reading the Bible yourself? I have also read articles on the subject and it can be very convincing. However, it is still based on someones interpretation and should not be treated as fact.
---Matthew on 1/21/07


Gina, only 144,000 Jewish men will have a specific seal of God on their foreheads. These 144,000 ARE NOT Seventh-Day Adventists. Also, this seal is not to be confused with the sealing of the Holy Spirit which ALL believers possess.

P.S. Gods name isn't limited to the 4th commandment.
---Kay6588 on 1/21/07


"From the beginning to the end."

Steveng, I wanted to know exactly where in the Bible does it say that Christians will be deceived by false miracles during the Tribulation period.
---Kay6588 on 1/21/07


Faye: "I have no doubt the miracles I have seen are from God. No doubt. I know that I know." Even the elect could be decieved if that were possible.

It's good to be a skeptic, especailly in today's world where highly evolved, knowledgable Christians think they know the truth. In the End, it will be Christians will turn on Christians. They are the modern Pharasees (knowledgable but don't do) and the Jews (blinded by the signs of the end)
---steveng on 1/20/07


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Who is the beast? 1. Receives its "seat" & authority from Rome. Revelation 13:4
/2. Rules the world for 1260 years (538AD to 1798AD)
/3.Then receives a deadly wound which later heals Rev 13:3/
4.Is both a political & religious power which is worshipped. Rev 13:4 /
5. Tampered with God's law. Dan 7:25 /
6. Has a leader who claims to be God on earth & able to forgive sins(blasphemy)Rev 13:1/
7. Is a mother church(daughters have come out of her) Rev 17:5
---Gina on 1/20/07


/8. Made war with the saints Rev 13:7 /

9. Is a world power which is wondered at Rev 13:3,4 /10. Has a "man" at the head of it
with the number of his name being 666. Rev 13:18 /11. Has a dreaded "mark" which will
cause you, or any person, to be cast into the Lake of Fire and lose eternal life. Rev 14:8,
10

Can you now determine from these clues who the Beast is? If you have guessed the Papacy,
you are correct. The man at the head is the Pope.
---Gina on 1/20/07


The beast power is the Papacy,&the man at the head,claiming to forgive sins& be god on earth,is the Pope.The mark of the beast,the mark of the Catholic Church,is clearly the change in the Sabbath day which they claim to have done by their authority: "Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act.And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical power& authority is religious matters" HF Thomas,Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons,in answering a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath
---Gina on 1/20/07


The Catholic Catechism, by Stephen Keenan, p. 174 states "Have you any other way of proving that the church (Roman Catholic) has power to institue festivals of precept? answer "Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionist agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the 7th day, a change for which there is no scriptural authority"
---Gina on 1/20/07


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The bible also teaches that satan does also have his ministers, 2cor:11 Here describe the cunning ways through which satan,s ministers successfully decieves. There will be a falling away.
---winna on 1/20/07


2 Thes.2:3,10 Paul exsplained that this falling away would affect all who recieved not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Paul was inspired to tell and warn of this falling away just before the return of Christ.
---winna on 1/20/07


Do we want to give homage to the Catholic church,to satan, or worship the true God? The choice will be yours in the soon coming conflict. Take the Mark of the Beast, the mark of Catholic authority, or take the Seal of God. Revelation 14:7 says to "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of his judgement is come, and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters" This describes creation, which is memorialized on the Sabbath, 7th day.
---Gina on 1/20/07


Revelation 14:7 says to "Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of his judgement is come, and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters" This describes creation,which is memorialized on the Sabbath, 7th day. The next verses describe the punishment of those who take the mark of the beast, by being burned in the Lake of Fire? Why? They choose to worship satan,& take the mark of the beast,worshiping on the wrong day, Sunday,the counterfeit sabbath.
---Gina on 1/20/07


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The mark is not the mark until the soon coming conflict occurs.Those who worship on Sunday in ingnorance do not have the mark today.The mark will be the mark when people WHO KNOW Saturday is the true Sabbath day, choose to keep Sunday in order to save their lives, to be able to buy and sell.The Bible's warning against taking the mark of the beast is clear. Worship the beast, his image, receive his mark in your forehead or in your hand, and you burn in the lake of fire.
---Gina on 1/20/07


For All, why are you so skeptical when someone says they see miracles? Just because the Bible says satan will come in Jesus' name and perform miracles, doesn't mean that all miracles are from satan. Why must you live in this unbelief? I have no doubt the miracles I have seen are from God. No doubt. I know that I know. Lord, help our unbelief. Romans 14:23 says whatever is not of faith is sin. We are a faithless generation, stuck in the traditions of men.
---faye4464 on 1/20/07


1260 year reign of the Beast: Rev 13:5,Rev 11:2, Daniel 7:25, Rev 12:14, Rev 11:3 Rev 12:6 & Daniel 12:7/The principal given in Ezekiel 4:6/Numbers 14:34 is 1 day in prophecy= 1 yr. Therefore 1260 days = 1260 years. A Bible month= 30 days. A yr is 360 days. A time= 1 year (Daniel 4) so time, times & 1/2 a time= 3.5 times or 3.5 years, or 1260 days. 1 day = 1 yr in Bible prophecy, so 1260 days= 1260 yrs. The Papacy did reign 538 to 1798AD (1260 years) when the Pope was taken captive by Napoleons orders.
---Gina on 1/20/07


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