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Should We Pray To Saints

Do you believe he is a sin to deified anybody other than the true deity the Lord Jesus Christ? Where are the Scriptures that indicate we should pray to the "Saints"?

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If there is a scripture to eat dirty sneakers, then there is also a scripture to pray to the Saints.
---Eloy on 8/7/08


No... Statues are an abomination.
'No one comes before the Father except through Me' John 14:6-9
---DIANA on 8/6/08


JESUS says we are to pray to the father. Some RCC do indeed say they are only asking them like they would a friend. But when is the last time you made a statue of a friend and got down on your knees before that statue and prayed to your friend.

If you got done on your knees and prayed to me. I would say like Paul.

Nasb Act 14:15 and saying, "Men, why are you doing these things? We are also men of the same nature as you, and preach the gospel to you that you should turn from these vain things to a living God, WHO MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH AND THE SEA AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM.
---Samuel on 8/6/08


mike8384:

Jack quoted Psalm 103:20. He also quoted from the Apocrypha, which was in the original 1611 edition of the King James bible. Even if it is not in most editions today, it WAS in the original King James Version (which many seem to hold more dear than the original Hebrew and Greek, although I don't know why).

So there ARE people who believe it. Even if nobody but Catholics does, saying "no-one does" implies "Catholics aren't people". Was that what you really meant?
---StrongAxe on 8/6/08


Most Catholics argue that they are not praying TO Saints but rather ASKING Saints to intercede for them. Even though I am not Catholic, I personally don't see this as wrong. They see it as the same as asking a Brother or Sister in the Lord to pray for us. The only question is whether those who have passed through death to the other side, can hear us here on earth.
---Adam on 10/18/07




Jesus said..they will live forever!John 2:23 Jesus said, Your brother will rise again.24 Martha said to Him, I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.25 Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, THOUGH HE MAY DIE, HE SHALL LIVE!!! 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this? I do! My soul goes to heaven..then the body will be resurrected on the last day..the glorified body to be with the soul again!
---Lisa on 10/13/07


Emcee, all who think there are saints or anyone already in heaven, John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven,but he that came down from heaven,even the son of man which is in heaven. There's no human being,including Mary, so named Saints,or dead loved ones who've gone to heaven,this verse excludes all from heaven but Christ. That people have gone to heaven is false doctrine humans like to believe to make them feel better. Sorry folks but this is God's Word not man's denominational doctrine.
---Darlene_1 on 10/10/07


Emcee, I'm Sorry...

"Remember I am RCC with unshakeable faith."

I'm sorry that you still depend on Catholic ideology, traditions, and misguided biblical interpretations.

"I am too old to bluff."

I'm sorry that you are stiffnecked to believe in RCC instead of Jesus. Jesus is the only way, not any worldly religion.

I hope and pray that your eyes are open before you set foot in the grave.
---Steveng on 10/10/07


Steveng:You sure have self confidence in your ability but not all Con artists are Perfect.Remember I am RCC with unshakeable faith.Many have tried I am too old to bluff .Dont play with your soul You will regret it.
---Emcee on 10/9/07


catherine
this is a major problem the body of christ has. . . trying to prove his or her positon with god to another. i will not use caps simply because it does not prove my heart. the one who matters and who hold me in his hands knows just how high i place him. and thats WAY above an old capital "g". . . these "traditions" and what-not is not what will get you in heaven. thats a man made thing. i dont worship man.
---amelia on 10/9/07




Emcee: I could make you believe anything your heart desires by taking verses out of context. I could make you believe in hell and I could make you believe there isn't a hell. I could make you believe in a rapture or believe in no rapture. I could make you believe the 10 commandments were nailed to the cross or believe that we still live under them. Just reading these blogs reveals the different opinions and interpretations. Your life depends on choosing the right opinion and interpretation.
---Steveng on 10/9/07


I don't know any one that prays to a statue in my church.
An image is not a god in the Catholic church. Anyone knows that. It is a reminder of how God worked in their life to do His will. It is endearing. When you look at a picture of a dead loved one, do you worship that picture or pray to it? Of course not.
Plus it is foolish to say my church depicts Jesus as dead. In fact we have the empty cross and the Divine Mercy ( the risen Christ as well) Our church recognizes the value of all 3.
---Lisa on 10/9/07


Mima, where are the scriptures that tell us that we are to pray to the "Saints"? My Bible teaches me to pray to God, in the spirit, and in the name of Jesus Christ. If there is scripture that tells us otherwise maybe you or someone else could enlighten us as to where this scripture is.
---Cynthia on 10/9/07


Steveng::For you to make a remark such as you have stated, does not raise my ire, but my sympathy,as I believe you do not know the word,and scan through the pages. But Look at Matt5:48 .read what Jesus says,about Perfection.
---Emcee on 10/9/07


Could we please use a cap. letter with God's name. A small letter g Geewiz makes Him seen like no better than Allah or someother fake god. Please>>>God Jesus Christ. The real God.
---catherine on 10/9/07


we are to pray only to god. period. double check the commandents. . . i am the lord thy god thou shall have no other gods before me. this is clear.
---amelia on 10/9/07


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I believe we are to pray to God the Father, in the name of Jesus the Son.. and none other. I have found no reference in the bible to belive any other way.
---Gayla on 10/8/07


Emcee: "Remember if you cannot attain Perfection..."

It sounds more like the philosophy of Buddism. No Christian could ever attain perfection, that's why Jesus came.
---Steveng on 10/8/07


lisa do you pray to statues. Do you agree with prostrating yourself in front of a stone statue, bowing and paying homage, crowning Mary. While leaving Jesus on the cross, Mary is victorious.
If we are not to prostrate ourselves before angels and humans are made lower then the angels we are not to worship Mary.
---caleb on 10/8/07


Emcee, I can't understand what you are saying in the last sentence. Your sentence does not make sense. Is English your first language? You sound like an ESL kid.
As far your source, I would like to know what that is. Mine is the Bible- what's yours? I showed you the scripture, evidently you didn't read it.
---MichelleS on 10/8/07


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Emcee all believers are referred to as saints:
Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.
Rom 12:13 Distributing to the necessity of saints, given to hospitality.
Rom 15:25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.
---caleb on 10/8/07


Michelle::I state a fact from sources that are authentic & guided by the Holy spirit.I do not ARGUE with you. You are free to do so with the source I mentioned.Its HIS way or no way.Remember if you cannot attain Perfection you will have a long wait if at all you attain salvation by His Mercy.
---Emcee on 10/8/07


Emcee, that is Roman Catholic Doctrine, not the Word of God. No where in the Bible does it say that we are saints if we achieve perfection.
Here is some even bigger news- I have been justified -completely forgiven and

made righteous. ( Romans 5:1)
So you see under your definition of perfection, we have been made righteous.
---MichelleS on 10/7/07


Holly> you did have bad experiences....where I go to church there is no money bin attached to and statues.... and those statues are not God or god's. Also just because you met a drunken driver talk about his Rosary and what it stands for to him....doesn't mean that is what all others think of the Holy Rosary.
There are also alot of voodoo people saying they are Catholic but really are not..I think you met those types.
---Lisa on 10/8/07


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1) Emcee...Biblically speaking, from the Word of God, ALL born again believers are saints...being a born-again believer certifies you to be called a SAINT, period. You can be alive still here on earth or in heaven, but if you are a believer, you are a SAINT.

Psalm 16:3
As for the SAINTS who are on the earth,They are the excellent ones, in whom is all my delight.
---Holly4jc on 10/7/07


2)
Philippians 4:21 (Amplified Bible)
Remember me to every SAINT (every born-again believer) in Christ Jesus. The brethren (my associates) who are with me greet you.

Romans 15:25
But now I am going to Jerusalem to minister to the SAINTS.
---Holly4jc on 10/7/07


Emcee,

"To be a saint one must be without Blemish." That must mean there are no living saints today because nobody living on the face of the earth is without blemish.

Isaiah 64:6a For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment,....
---denna7667 on 10/7/07


Michelle::Saints are of 3 classes.1On this earth striving for Perfection Heb13:14.2.Those dead In Heaven Certified,having reached their Goal.3.Those in Purgatory. We are called saints bc we are sanctified by Baptism(1Cor6:11) To be a saint one must be without Blemish.This where the the Prot & the Rcc Differ.Saint Hood is usually conferred after Death.
---Emcee on 10/7/07


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Michelle::Saints are of 3 classes.1On this earth striving for Perfection Heb13:14.2.Those dead In Heaven Certified,having reached their Goal.3.Those in Purgatory. We are called saints bc we are sanctified by Baptism(1Cor6:11) To be a saint one must be without Blemish.This where the the Prot & the Rcc Differ.Saint Hood is usually conferred after Death.
---Emcee on 10/7/07


1) In 1975 I went to Rockefeller Plaza (in New York, I lived in NY) on Christmas eve with my ex-boyfriend (he was Roman Catholic). He wanted to go to St. Patrick's Cathedral, so we went. That place was huge and there were lots and lots of statues. People were bowing down to them, crying to them and kissing them. One mom told her child to kiss baby Jesus. I remember feeling sick in there and I could not wait to get out.
---Holly4jc on 10/7/07


2) I was not even a Christian back then, but it just felt so wrong. My ex-boyfriend's dad even had all these little statues of Mary and the saints on his dashboard of his car for protection. When I lived in Miami, I saw the same thing with the Catholics...bowing to statues, giving money to statues as prayer offerings (the statues had little plates attached to them for money donations), kissing and crying to statues.
---Holly4jc on 10/7/07


3) My ex-boyfriend in Miami (this is another ex who was also Catholic) had a rosary hanging from his rear-view mirrow. He was an alcoholic and always drove drunk. He told me that the rosary was protecting him from an accident while he drove drunk. If all this is not idolotry, then what is?
---Holly4jc on 10/7/07


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Emcee, praying for the saints means praying for each other as the Bible refers to all Christians as saints. This verse does not mean praying to a saint. There is a clear difference in the wording. Also, we don't need Mary or any saint in heaven to intercede for us since we have a high priest- his name is Jesus. If Jesus can hear us, why does Mary have to talk to him for us? Are we not good enough to talk to God?
---Michelle on 10/7/07


What you pray to you worship.
---caleb on 10/6/07
This statement is absolutely correct of course. Question, do you bow before a statue of Mary, the pope did. Do you say the rosary where the name mary is referred to as holy? Are not all Catholics are required too? A person does well when they examine themselves.
---Mima on 10/7/07


The Bible is clear that we can only go to the Father (God) through Jesus Christ. We can pray in the (Holy) Spirit but praying to "Saints" as the Catholic church defines them is like praying to the dead. All denominations have something to offer and the Catholic church is great for honoring those who have achieved deep levels of spiritual growth. I love studying their lives. Helps me to learn & grow. But it's a form of idolatry to pray to them for intercession.
---Ginette on 10/7/07


This is describing Idolatry and rebellion to a Holy God as I have been saying on some similar blogs. This is sin, in danger of Hell, and needs repentance.
---Whisper on 10/7/07


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Rebecca, I am certain that what Caleb is stating is that whatever, or whoever, you pray to is what, or who, you worship. There is no point in praying to someone that we do not also worship. If someone chooses to pray to saints they are, in effect, worshipping saints. There is no-one except God who is worthy of our worship.
---RitaH on 10/7/07


What is meant by praying FOR the saints??They are already in Heaven so we ask for by intecessory Prayer. This is appropriate as they are already in Heaven Having passed the test, of Perfection.So to pray to them for our earthly Needs would not be wrong as they are alive in Christ with Christ. Mary is the most exalted in this respect so we invoke her aid .Denoms dont have to if they dont want tro.
---Emcee on 10/6/07


If I see Indians bowing to a cow and praying I know that for them is worship. If I see people with lifted hands bowing to rev Moon, it is worship. When I see the pope prostrated before a statue of Mary that is worship. I can change the words but it does not change the message. If you pray to Mary, you worship her. If you think she answers your prayers. She needs to be a god.

cnt
---caleb on 10/6/07


It is not about just a doctrinal difference - it is like the Israelites bowing to the golden calf - there is no difference. I see the problem and it is not a problem of behavior. A heart that loves Christ with all they have - would not worship another god. In fact - on penalty of death - they would not worship another god.
---caleb on 10/6/07


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Caleb: I do not understand your statement. Which was, "What you pray to you worship". Were you meaning to say, "When you pray do you worship"? Could you please explain?
---Rebecca_D on 10/6/07


We as Christians can be intercessor for others, like Jesus is for us. I can pray on behalf of someone else. Just as Moses prayed for those people in the wilderness. But as far as praying to the Saints, no that is just silly. Because according to the bible a believer in God is referred to a Saint. So anyone confessing to a Christian is a Saint, which is the same as righteous. My husband is a Christian (saint) so I wouldn't pray to him. That would be idolatry.
---Rebecca_D on 10/6/07


Ephesians 6:18 With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints,

If you notice the key word here is FOR all the saints not TO.

Paul also says to, "pray at all times in the Spirit", because "John 4:24 "God is spirit..."
---denna7667 on 10/6/07


What you pray to you worship.
---caleb on 10/6/07


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There is not any. Take the quiz on graven images. Also we are not to talk to DEAD people. Saints or no.
---catherine on 10/6/07


Can we ask people to pray for us? Yes. There are living Saints you know...on earth as well in Heaven.
---Lisa on 10/6/07


Bill_bila5659: "...Paul orders US to pray for "all the saints..."

There's a huge difference between praying TO and praying FOR. Paul was saying to pray for the living saints - the Christians. We are not to try and communicate with the dead. They're all dead until Jesus returns (and the dead shall rise first...). Praying to dead people is divinationwhich God hates. Deuteronomy18:9, Leviticus19:31, Leviticus20:6, 1Chronicles10:13
---Steveng on 10/5/07


Good one Bob I guess this is where you learnt to bite the bullet & drink moonshine.But it wasn't sinful in those days,MY how times change./
---Emcee on 10/5/07


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In the olden days, dentists performed all kinds of surgeries. They were usually done without any painkillers. They took bullets out and stitched people back together.
Geeze louise, don't you watch Gunsmoke?
---Bob on 10/5/07


There is a place for every thing and every thing in its place.would a Dentist know the intracicies of Heart procedures.Only if he learns.so also other denominations Know nothing about Catholicism, and its inner features Till they learn.This is NOT the place for learning just exchanging information.
---Emcee on 10/5/07


Ruben: Before they were resurrected, they were D-E-A-D, i.e., asleep, unconscious, oblivious, etc. - not in heaven living it up!
---jerry6593 on 10/5/07


No, don't pray to saints- they are not God.
Case closed
---MichelleS on 10/4/07


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Jerry-
Reuben: They were RESURRECTED after Christ's death on the cross and taken to heaven. See Matt 27:52, 53.


Then what was your point in the verses you gave Ecc 9:5-Acts 2:29 and John 11-11:14?
---Ruben on 10/4/07


the usual anti-catholic pejorative topic. Hint, in you don't believe in it, don't do it. Quite simple, and stop acting like you have some special ability to define scripture.
---alexia on 10/4/07


"praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints---" (Ephesians 6:18)

So, Paul orders US to pray for "all the saints" (o: No one has to ask us to do what God commands us to do, saints. So, who is the Mary who expects to be asked in order to get prayer??? And how long should I spend asking "Mary" for prayer, while I myself am commanded to spend my time praying for all?
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/4/07


Why in the world would any body want too. When they can go to God directly, through our Mediator Jesus. Not, Oh God help me get through the day, in Peter, Paul, and Marys, name or etc....They can do no more for a person then a dead dog on the side of the road. ''ONLY JESUS MAKES INTERCESSION FOR US AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER GOD''
---Whisper on 10/4/07


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Reuben: They were RESURRECTED after Christ's death on the cross and taken to heaven. See Matt 27:52, 53.
---jerry6593 on 10/4/07


My only question about praying to saints is why would you pray to somebody who can't do anyting with/about your prayers?

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

I go straight to the man.
---denna7667 on 10/3/07


Lisa,

Wow are you popular:)

You are correct in that those that died in Christ are alive in heaven.

Mrk 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Mrk 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Concerning prayer, we are not taught to pray to the saints.
---trey on 10/3/07


Jerry-Joh 11: 11, 14 Lazarus sleepeth,.... Lazarus is dead.

Any questions?


Yes,Passage Matthew 27:51-53:
"The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. " Did they have to be buried again?
Passage Revelation 6:9:

"When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained." What are they doing in heaven?
---Ruben on 10/3/07


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Lisa - if the saints can hear millions of prayers a day then they are gods or you are just wasting your time. Plus you are taking the chance of offending God by ignoring He who died for you.

If taught you how to pray for a reason.
---Andrea on 10/3/07


# John 11:26 Jesus said
"I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies,
and whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?"

Saints are not dead. Even though their earthly body is dead and buried...they still live in heaven with Jesus.
---Lisa on 10/3/07


Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.

Act 2:29, 34 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulcher is with us unto this day... For David is not ascended into the heavens:

Joh 11: 11, 14 Lazarus sleepeth,.... Lazarus is dead.

Any questions?
---jerry6593 on 10/3/07


When Christ taught us to pray he said, "After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name." Matt. 6:9.

The Apostle James tells us to pray FOR one another (James 5:16), and the Apostle Paul asks for prayer concerning his preaching (II Thes. 3:1, etc.).

No where in the scriptures, however, can I find where we are instructed to pray TO the saints, only FOR the saints.

If your going to disagree, please give me scripture.
---trey on 10/2/07


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* How can those in Heaven possibly be alive when they died and their bodies are buried down here on earth?*

Our bodies may be buried down here on earth, but that is not the case with our souls/spirits.

Are those that are dead no longer members of the Body of Christ?
---Ramon on 10/2/07


---Helen_5378 Jesus promised us if we have faith in Him and believe He has risen frome the dead, that He is the Lord...then we will never die. The earthly body dies, but the soul and spirit lives on...which is our true essence.There is life after death of the body. And that life is either in Heaven or Hell.
The saints canonized by the Catholic church led lives close to Christ's life. They are honored not worshiped. Only the Trinity is Worshiped, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
---Lisa on 10/2/07


Jesus is our model.
All others, including Peter, Paul and Mary are mentors.
Jesus is our model. Did He pray to saints? If He didn't do it, neither should we.

Jesus always pulled Himself away from the crowds to pray, alone. He spoke to His Father directly. If the Father said it, He obeyed.
He didn't base His decisions on the counsel of men or women, He was obedient to His Father. He didn't do anything unless the Father approved. Neither should we.
---Michelle on 10/2/07


Helen, Jesus promised us eternal life, are you calling Him a liar? Our bodies die and are buried, but we live on.
---lorra8574 on 10/2/07


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Helen ... If they are in heaven (and I appreciate there is debate as to whether they are there yet) surely they are alive (even though not accessible to us)?
---alan_of_UK on 10/2/07


Lisa - ("There are those alive in Christ in heaven and on earth.") -- How can those in Heaven possibly be alive when they died and their bodies are buried down here on earth?
---Helen_5378 on 10/2/07


Rom 1:25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.

Jesus taught you how to pray and who to pray to.
The bible teaches that it is offensive to God to seek the dead instead of the living....we are not to pray to anyone but God.

If Mary can hear a billion prayers a day - she would be a god
---Andrea on 10/2/07


There are those alive in Christ in heaven and on earth. I ask all alive in Christ to pray for me in heaven and on earth!
That is not wrong.
---Lisa on 10/2/07


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Lisa: "yes when Jesus was in the flesh, I understand His prayers, all of them.
The point was, we need to pray, we are asked to pray for us and others..all of them."

There is a huge difference between praying FOR someone and praying TO someone.
---Steveng on 10/1/07


yes when Jesus was in the flesh, I understand His prayers, all of them.
The point was, we need to pray, we are asked to pray for us and others..all of them.
---Lisa on 10/1/07


To --- Lisa this statement,"God does not pray for us." Is not correct. I direct you to John Chapter 17:9 (Jesus is speaking)"I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me, for they are thine." So you see when a person is saved Jesus is praying for them.


---Mima on 10/1/07


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