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Grant offers the most pragmatic view.

Look for dirt laundry in any religion, from any group, you will find it.

Rita, Using your criteria I could listen to former Born againers as to reach an objective assesment of fundamentalism.(?)

As for me- when I wish to learn about a product, place, or a belief I would rather engague in a 360 degree perspective rather than one clouded by skewed presuppositions.
---MikeM on 2/22/08


RitaH, you are correct. That is NOT in Scripture .

Pope Gregory mentioned her in a sermon, but he did not actually her a prostitute. In this sermon, Gregory identified Mary as peccatrix, a sinful woman, using her as a model for the repentant sinner, but he did not call her meretrix, a prostitute.
---John_T on 2/19/08


Grant, where are we told, in scripture, that Mary was accused of immorality. Many, these days, say that M. Magdalene was a prostitute. However I have yet to find where scripture says that or even that she was accused of that. I think that many assume that the 'woman taken in adultery' to whom Jesus said "Go and sin no more" was Mary but I don't think scripture names that woman at all. Is this what you refer to? If not, please give me the verse where you find this information.
---RitaH on 2/19/08


Mike and Rita: No denomination "airs their own dirty laundry", but critics go too far the other way,centering almost entirely on the "dirty laundry" they find. Critics of Christ's time accused Mary of immorality, pointed out that Christ regularly mingled with sinners, accused Him of traitorous rebellion and of horrible blasphemy. Critics often slant things, just as supporters often are too soft on their own organization. As usual, the truth is between extremes.
---grant on 2/18/08


MikeM, if you ask for details from members of cults etc. they will tell you just as much as they want you to know. If you buy books on these subjects, written by people who have researched the subjects and, often, are former members of these 'organisions' you will find out, also, what they did NOT want you to know. You don't have to visit a fundamentalist church bookstore to get these. You can order them in any bookshop or over the internet.
---RitaH on 2/18/08




Gina: I appreciated your use of scriptures and showing how you interpretted them. We Mormons generally take it that Christ is the only begotten of the Father, meaning that He was physically born of the Holy Spriit (God?)and Mary. No other person is in this category of being somehow physically born in such a manner, so in that way, Christ is still the "only begotten of the Father".
---jackie on 2/17/08


Gina: Mormons also believe that in most instances,Christ is acting as a representative of the Father in the O.T. In the N.T. Christ 95% of the time seems to clearly indicate that the Father is someone different than Himself. John talks about "oneness". We mormons like to point out that husband and wife are also to be one and that we are all to be one with God. These last instances of "oneness" show a unity of purpose, not of being.
---jackie on 2/17/08


I one went to a fundamentalist church. In their book store they had rows of books denouncing all other religions, church's as being 'cults.' Books against Mormons were second only to anti-RCC books. Someone tell me, if I want to learn something about the RCC, should I go to a fundamentalist, or to a member of the RCC? If I want to learn abut a Shinto, do I go to a fundamentalist or a Shinto, and so on...? Do I have it wrong?
---MikeM on 2/17/08


Stephen and Others: I'll respond to your question of what a Mormon like myself believes of Christ. Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten of the Father, the Great I Am, the Almighty God, the Creator of heaven and earth. And Jesus Christ is the ONLY name under heaven through which we can be saved. I am deeply grateful for his infinite sacrifice on Calvary. Please let me know your follow-up questions.
---deen on 2/17/08


I am suggesting that Mormons and others present their beliefs about who Christ really is. Present your own beliefs. So, who is Christ? ---stephen on 12/6/07
Christ is the great I AM, the Father's representative on earth. He is the creator (John 1:1-3) who rested on the 7th day Sabbath from creating us,and He is our redeemer, who also rested on the 7th day Sabbath from redeeming us. Christ is God's only born son (John 3:16) while we are adopted into God's family thru Christ
---Gina7 on 2/16/08




John 18 YLT

4Jesus.. `Whom do ye seek?'

5they answered him, `Jesus the Nazarene,' Jesus saith to them, `I AM [he],' -- and Judas who delivered him up was standing with them, --

6when, therefore, he said to them -- `I AM [he],' they went away backward, and fell to the ground

**
The word "he" after "I AM" is supplied. Jesus said he was the great "I AM" and they all went backwards and fell to the ground at the force of the words!
---Gina7 on 2/16/08


John 18 Wycliff New Testament

5 They answered to him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith to them, I AM. And Judas that betrayed him, stood with them.

6 And when he said to them, I AM , they went aback, and fell down on the earth.
---Gina7 on 2/16/08


Jesus says in John 10:11-18 that he is the Good Shepherd. When you read this passage along with Ezekiel 34:1-16, you can see that Jesus was identifying Himself with God, who pronounced Himself Shepherd over Israel
---Gina7 on 2/16/08


Ezekiel 34:11,14 "For thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I even I will both search out my sheep and seek them out..I will feed them in good pasture.. I will seek that which was lost.."

John 10:27,29,30 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my father's hand. I am my Father are one"
---Gina7 on 2/16/08


It's interesting that Christ uses "my brethren" which is the same in Greek as "my brothers". We generally take the bible quite literally.
---jackie on 12/4/07
Then you call God a LIAR in John 3:16 when it says that God gave up his one and only born or begotten Son, if you believe all are litterally born in heaven as spirits and then come down to earth to enhabit earthly bodies. God only has one son, and that is Jesus. I take John 3:16 quite literally.
---Gina7 on 2/16/08


Since John 3:16 states Jesus is the only born son of God (the only begotten Son), we are the adopted sons and daughters of God. The scriptures are clear on this:

Romans 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear, but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

You cannot be adopted into the family of God, if you were literally born, which we are NOT. We are adopted into the family of God, that is why we call our Father in heaven, Father
---Gina7 on 2/16/08


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Galatians 4:5
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Ephesians 1:5
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will

Romans 8:15
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear, but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father
---Gina7 on 2/16/08


Passage Romans 8:15 New Living Translation

15 So you have not received a spirit that makes you fearful slaves. Instead, you received Gods Spirit when he adopted you as his own children. Now we call him, Abba, Father.

My question is, do you also take this verse quite literally? If so, you should realize that you are not literally born as spirit children to God, you are adopted into the family of God! The word adopted means, not literally born as children
---Gina7 on 2/16/08


Also,you say that no one has seen God, but there are lots of scriptures that prove otherwise. MOSES TALKED WITH GOD FACE TO FACE, STEPHEN SAW GOD. If we allow your interpretation, then you are calling Jacob,Moses,Isaiah, Stephen,etc. liars.(Gen 32:30,Ex33:11,Judg 13:22,Isa6:5,Matt5:8,Acts 7:55-56). Or how do you explain away all these scriptures?

No one has seen the Father. Moses talked face to face with Jesus, God's son, who is His representative. I Cor 10:1-4
---Gina7 on 2/16/08


"Moreover brethen, I would not that ye should be ignorant how that all our fathers were under the cloud,and all passed thru the sea, and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and did all eat the same spiritual meat,and did all drink the same spiritual drink, for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ" 1 Cor 10: 1-4. The God that thundered the 10 commandments was Jesus, the God that talked face to face with Moses was Jesus!
---Gina7 on 2/16/08


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1 Corinthians 10: 1-4. The God that thundered the 10 commandments was Jesus, the God that talked face to face with Moses was Jesus!

Why else do you think when Jesus called himself the great I AM the Jews picked up stones to kill him, because He called himself God? They did not understand the concept that it was God's Son all along in the Old Testament, and that the Father was not seen by anyone at any time. If we have seen the Son, we have seen the Father, and Jesus is Father's representative
---Gina7 on 2/16/08


Exodus 3:14
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

John 8: 58-59

58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59Then took they up stones to cast at him

John 10: 33

33 The Jews answered him, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
---Gina7 on 2/16/08


Exodus 3:14
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

John 8: 58-59

58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59Then took they up stones to cast at him

John 10: 33

33 The Jews answered him, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
---Gina7 on 2/16/08


I am suggesting that Mormons and others present their beliefs about who Christ really is. Please don't attack others. Present your own beliefs. If your beliefs differ from someone else, that will naturally appear as you present your own, differing, belief. So, who is Christ in relation to us, in relation to God the Father, and in relation to Mary and Joseph?
---stephen on 12/6/07


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Gina: Christ taught that God is our Father. He said to Mary,"...go to MY BRETHREN and say to them, I am ascending to MY FATHER and YOUR FATHER, to my God and your God"(John 20:17). Christ taught us to pray to "OUR Father which art in Heaven". All mankind are God's children. It's interesting that Christ uses "my brethren" which is the same in Greek as "my brothers". We generally take the bible quite literally.
---jackie on 12/4/07


Gina: One of the common misconceptions is that we Mormons don't believe in the Biblical Jesus, which merely raises the question of who really is the Biblical Jesus and what did He himself teach. Mormons believe that they are the closest to that truth, others believe we are misguided. Why not respectfully spend some time discussing, quoting scripture and helping another? We Mormons think we take the Bible quite literally, so we use like turning to it.
---jackie on 12/4/07


One scripture that seems written just for me, is James 3:6-10. "And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity...it defileth the whole body...it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. Therewith bless we God...therewith curse we men...out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be." I'm not always good at controlling my anger, or what I say, or how I say it. This scripture reminds me of what God expects.
---Chris on 12/4/07


NO,CHRISTIANS ARE Christians.
---Jack_fossett on 12/3/07


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Stephen: Your reference to the "good samaritan" was one of my favorites. I think what Christ teaches in Matthew 25:20-46 also helps us to realize the importance of loving and serving our neighbor. Sometimes we convince ourselves we are doing all these "mighty works" (Matt 7:21-23) or other wonderful things in His name and yet maybe we are still missing a major compenent of His Gospel - loving each other.
---missy on 12/3/07


John 3:18 The Message Bible

"..anyone who refuses to trust him has long since been under the death sentence without knowing it. And why? Because of that person's failure to believe in the one-of-a-kind Son of God when introduced to him."

Why is a Morman under the death sentence? because they refuse to believe in the Son of God as presented in the Scriptures,which is the THE ONLY BEGOTTON SON, SENT TO DIE FOR THIER SINS. Instead, another Jesus is taught,just 1 of many sons
---Gina7 on 12/1/07


John 3:16 New Living Translation:

"For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life"
---Gina7 on 12/1/07


John 3:16 The Message Bible

"This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son. And this is why: so that no one need be destroyed, by believing in him, anyone can have a whole and lasting life"

There is no Lucifer also being the son of God (brother of Jesus), there are no spirit children of God being born and then enhabiting Morman bodies (as it taught to children as soon as they can understand it) All is heresy
---Gina7 on 12/1/07


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John 3:17-18 The Message Bible

"God didn't go to all the trouble of sending his Son merely to point an accusing finger, telling the world how bad it was. He came to help, to put the world right again. Anyone who trusts in him is acquitted, anyone who refuses to trust him has long since been under the death sentence without knowing it. And why? Because of that person's failure to believe in the one-of-a-kind Son of God when introduced to him."
---Gina7 on 12/1/07


Also, Mormon doctrine states that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers! That's outrageous!
-Mr._Graham 11/25/07
If Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, then that makes BOTH of them the Son of God, and that is outright heresy. Let the Bible have the final say in this matter and show the Bible is above Mormonism: "For God so loved the world, that He gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.." John 3:16. Only begotten son, means only son, the ONLY one. There is NO OTHER SON! And that is Jesus Christ, our Saviour!
---Gina7 on 12/1/07


no the bible says you must be born again you are supposed to be christ like in every way
---gene on 11/30/07


Tammy, Andrea, etal: Before arguing, could we quote our favorite scripture that motivates us to be better towards others. I will start:(Luke 10:25-37) The levite and priest were examples of men noted for their religious/social standing. The samaritan was outside the accepted social, racial and religious norm. It teaches me, how important it is that I forget myself and serve those in need. How striking that Christ used a good "heathen" to show what kind of people we should be.
---Stephen on 11/29/07


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Tracy: (Cont.) We believe the Book of Mormon is scripture along with Bible. Sometimes taught to be the "most correct book", this doesn't mean it is infallible. The book admits that men's mistakes may have been erroneously included. It teaches about Christ and his gospel. For 170 years people have argued over its "angelic origin or authorship". This is a legitamate question with many similar issues that relate to "canonization" of biblical scripture (origins, doctrine, etc.).
---missy on 11/29/07


Tracy: Sorry I am late in getting back to you. Mormons believe the Bible to be the word of God, but think that through thousands of years that translational errors have occured. Some of these were small and innocent, and others may have been larger and more purposeful. The world now has thousands of years of different ancient portions of the biblical text that show these changes. Also, look at the sometimes huge differences between the septuigant versions and the masoretic versions of the same scriptures.
---missy on 11/29/07


Mima: I am willing to bibilically discuss our different understandings of Christ's gospel. Though Mormon's believe that Christ did appear to Joseph Smith and taught him things, I am willing to stick with those things that Matt, Mark, Luke and John claimed that Christ said during his ministry. They heard his sermons first hand. He instructed them privately. He called them to do his work. They should be able to give us a good idea as to what Christ's Gospel is about.
---Chris on 11/29/07


This statement made by Andrea is very true.
"The reason Mormons are not Christians is not bc they are evil. But bc they rely on another gospel for salvation" investigate what Mormons believe and the truth of the statement will jump out at you.
---Mima on 11/29/07


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1. Andrea - A Christian is defined as a follower of Jesus Christ. The LDS church is set up with an organization of Apostles and Prophets (as Christ instructed), we are taught to obey the ten commandments, to tithe, to repent, to pray to our Father in Heaven in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness, to be baptized, we believe that salvation is given through the atonement and sacrifice made by Jesus Christ. We believe that God continues to communicate with us through prophets - just as He always has.
---Tammy on 11/28/07


2. These things are doctrine in our church as taught Jesus Christ. We don't pick and choose which of Christ's teachings we follow as many churches do, yet we are the ones you claim "preach another gospel." You really defy logic by claiming us unchristian! In your defense, I have learned through these blogs that logic seems completely lost on many "Christians."
---Tammy on 11/28/07


Stephen -

I would love to get back to scriptural based discussion anytime you're ready. I enjoyed it a lot. It would be nice if folks like Andrea and Ramon could join in WITHOUT the constant attacks and the use of scripture only.
Let me know, you pick the topic!
---Tammy on 11/28/07


Stephen. No matter how you twist it, God is not to blame. If I go out and kill 30 people, whose to blame? Me or God because he created me this way? If I accept your belief that everything is God's fault, which is contrary to Scriptures.

Lucifer originally was not evil, he choose to be that way. The Bible alreadly tells us that everything He created was good, so there is no way that Lucifer decision proves God created him evil in the first place.

Put the blame where it belongs: Us!
---Ramon on 11/28/07


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The reason Mormons are not Christians is not bc they are evil. But bc they rely on another gospel for salvation. Their gods are not from the bible...they are from Jos Smith (adulterer) imagination. They are from kolob and there are millions of gods not just the one true God.

I could respect their religion if they would own their religion and not try to subvert Christianity
---Andrea on 11/28/07


God created the ability to make a "choice", not the resulting evil of that "choice". Evil is the result of a person's "choice" to go against God's will.

Put the blame where it belongs.
---Mr._Graham on 11/28/07


Here is the paradox.
If evil is only the freewill of man or Satan to do as they please, then sin and evil are simply something which God does not like, not an absolute moral rule of right and wrong. Just things which he made, but doesn't like them too much.
If there does exist an absolute moral rule of right and wrong then it would have to have been something that existed exterior to God, and even God would have to abide by the rules, and thus we could have figured it out without God.
---Mickey on 11/28/07


Ramon, perhaps you missed it, but I am not presenting my beliefs, but the lack of logic (and sometimes contrary scriptures)relative to your beliefs. I don't believe God is evil or that he created evil, but if I accept your belief, I can't see how Lucifer's free will gets God "off the hook". If you use logic with your belief, free will allowed Lucifer to show what he was (evil) and God would be to blame, because he created him that way.
---stephen on 11/28/07


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Come on guys, of course God created Evil, he created everything, there was nothing before God. Evil is simply the things that God created which he then decided that he does not like. Once upon a time he was Ok with Polygamy and slavery and had no concern with womens rights, nowadays he has changed his mind about that. There is no absolute good or bad, just the things God likes and the things he doesn't like. He created it all.
---Mickey on 11/28/07


In the very first book of the Bible, we are told that everything God created was "good" (Gen 1:10). All humans can choose to do evil or good. It is not God's fault. God's Moral law existed even before He created anything. Since God is Holy, He cannot create something is not in His nature.

*God makes the rules and the laws and he can change them at any time*

Since God nature is Holy, God is not able to change things that is beyond His Nature.

Again, God did not create evil.
---Ramon on 11/27/07


Stephen *If God created Lucifer, then he is responsible for creating an evil being. Free will just allowed Lucifer to show that God had created him evil.*

You are missing the point. God gives angels and humans free-will. He does not force anyone to do anything. Lucifer choose to rebel. It was His decision, not God's.

*The blame would still go on God.*

No, since God didn't force Lucifer to rebel in the first. You think we are all part of God's sick joke? Shame on you!
---Ramon on 11/27/07


* Also, could you show me a scripture or two that says that God created Lucifer?*

Lucifer is a angel, and God created all angels. according to Scriptures. Are you saying that Lucifer, an angel, was created by some other being besides God?

* Mormons would probably quote John 20:17 to show we are brothers with Christ and that we share the same God/Heavenly Father.*

And Satan is your Brother as well? How sick! Lets all have a tea-party with Satan, our Brother!
---Ramon on 11/27/07


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If God were responsible for created Evil, then why did He banished Lucifer? If God were responsible for Adam and Eve sinning, then why did He cast them out of Eden?

Throughout the OT, we see that everybody's actions/words have consequences. God told Isael "choose Life or death". Why? Because within the Bonds of God's Sovereignty, He gave all humans and angel free-will.

God is not responsible for anything. He gave humans and angels choices. Lucifer choose to rebel on His own.
---Ramon on 11/27/07


John 1:3 "ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM, and without him was not any thing made that was made. Did God create everything? Did he create evil? What does that last part mean "without him was not any thing made that was made"? Have certain things (besides God) existed forever and thus were never made? Another interesting fact is the almost total lack of a doctrine about the devil in the O.T. Why? We talk about it all the time now, but for 4000 years they only said a couple of sentences.
---stephen on 11/27/07


I am saddened when reading these comments no one seems to go to scripture.What does the Lord said about this matter?God created us to have a free will, we choose right from wrong.Its in the Bible about what happened to Satan,and what God did.The LDS church is alot different then the old one.I believe God before man.We need to study our Bibles more before comment.
---madaline on 11/27/07


There is but One God. Morons seek to be gods themselves and that is the same thing Satan wanted. It's a damnable doctrine.
---Mr._Graham on 11/27/07


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Mickey - the "absence of God" is evil - He did not create sin. He created your freewill which results in sin. there is a difference - spend some time with Him and learn of Him - He did not create evil
---Andrea on 11/27/07


Whoa, wait a minute.
You said "God did not create Evil."
Then where did evil come from? Did it exist before God, or alongside God for eternity as a seperate entity, NO. There was nothing before God right? There is no moral absolute law of right and wrong that preceeded God, right? If so then God could also be judged by this law. God makes the rules and the laws and he can change them at any time. He made Satan and all things that are good or bad are his creation. He decides.
---Mickey on 11/27/07


Everything was created by HIM for HIM.
---James on 11/27/07


GOD DID NOT CREATE EVIL - MORMONS HAVE NO CONSCIENCE ABOUT DENIGRATING GOD BC THEY WOULD RATHER Defend their church then Jesus Christ
just as you have free will God allowed angels a measure of freewill
they chose to stray from God - thus evil
---Andrea on 11/27/07


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missy - Jesus is not just 'a god' to say He is a god is to deny His deity.
He is the Mighty God your creator. You would not know this within mormonism bc they are polytheistic (many gods)

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord:
---andre5846 on 11/27/07


Ramon: If God created Lucifer, then he is responsible for creating an evil being. Free will just allowed Lucifer to show that God had created him evil. The blame would still go on God. Also, could you show me a scripture or two that says that God created Lucifer? Mormons would probably quote John 20:17 to show we are brothers with Christ and that we share the same God/Heavenly Father.
---stephen on 11/27/07


*explain how the typical . . .christian belief that God created Lucifer is any less outrageous than . . .Lucifer being a spirit brother to Christ*

The difference is:

1) The Bible teaches God created Lucifer, and since angels have free-will, Lucifer chose to rebel.

2) The idea that Lucifer is the spirit-brother of Christ is not taught in the Bible. Satan is your Brother. How nice.

I am sorry, Stephen, if you believe the Bible claims are outrageous, then you need the Holy Spirit.
---Ramon on 11/26/07


Andrea: What point are you trying to make with Missy. You and I know that Mormons believe that Christ IS NOT a statue or a demon, but a true God and that He is our Savior. You may disagree with Christ, the Gospels,the disciple Stephen (Acts 7:55,56),but whether the "trinity" is 3 in 1, or 3 that are unified as 1 (as Mormons believe), Mormons believe in Christ. He is our Savior. He, God the Father and the Holy Ghost are the three that make up the Godhead.
---chris on 11/26/07


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M.Graham,
Please explain how the typical orthodox christian belief that God created Lucifer is any less outrageous than the Mormon concept of Lucifer being a spirit brother to Christ (like all angels and all mankind are). I would rather be related to Hitler than responsible for making Hitler who he was.
---stephen on 11/26/07


M.Graham: The visitation that you labelled "dark and ominous" was to J.Smith a glorious vision of God the Father and His son Jesus Christ. It was similar to the biblical accounts of where God visited or talked with men, Moses(Gen.33:11),Samuel (1 Sam 3:10), the vision of Stephen in Acts 7:55-56 or the vision that Paul had of our Lord on the road to Damascus (Acts 22:6-9). Also Joseph Smith was told to "restore Christ's true church", not make up his own faith as you implied.
---chris on 11/26/07


From my readings about Mormonism, it is a false teaching -- a heresy. Joseph Smith received a dark & ominous visitation in the woods during the 1820's that instructed him to make up his own faith.

The Apostle Paul warned us about these types of teachings.
---Mr._Graham on 11/25/07


Also, Mormon doctrine states that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers! That's outrageous!
---Mr._Graham on 11/25/07


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Tracy: One other thing on the scripture in Isaiah. Mormons consider Christ to be part of the Godhead and so consider Him to also be a god. Some Mormons believe that the God of the Old Testament may often have been Christ(acting in behalf of God the Father). I don't subscribe to this doctrine, but it is sometimes taught.
---missy on 11/21/07

exactly - they consider Him to be a god

a god like any statue or demon can be one of many gods......
Jesus is the one Mighty God -
---Andrea on 11/24/07


To be Christian,you have to worship the Jesus of Bible. The Bible states He is the Son of God, the only begotten (or born)Son of God. Jesus pointed to his Father,and said to pray to Him,in Jesus name. The Father is the only God of the Universe,w/His Only Begotten Son at His Right Hand. What do Morman's worship? Heavenly Father as one God of many,just the God of this world only,and not the universe. Therefore they do not worship the same Jesus and Father of the Bible, therefore they ARE NOT CHRISTIANS
---Gina7 on 11/24/07


Andrea:Greyrider isn't siding with the Mormons (though that would make us happy). Christian love is similar to the love we have for our children and friends. We invite friends to join us. We lovingly council with our children. We show respect for their good intentions, even when disagreeing with actions. Sure sometimes intimidation, coercion and other types of attacks get results, but think of who uses these techniques and what kinds of religions and governments come from such types of behavior.
---chris on 11/23/07


Ben: As a young Mormon missionary,I taught Christ's gospel to the good people of Japan. I was no more brainwashed in my Mormon beliefs than the good Shinto and Buddhist people of Japan were in theirs. There is very little of brainwashing in our world. It takes so little to move sheep and lemmings along, that brainwashing is overkill. The truth is, most are just too lazy to study, think and humbly pray. My parents and church leaders openly encouraged me to find answers for myself.
---chris on 11/23/07


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Ben:Reprints of the original Book of Mormon are readily availabe. If you take the time, you will notice that in whole book maybe only a dozen or so significant corrections have been made. Insignificant grammatical/puncuational type changes are the bulk. To compare this to the bible, every new version of the bible has changes, based on more recent scholarship or catching the few errors made in printing, etc. Sometimes telling only half the truth makes people believe the equivalent of a lie.
---chris on 11/23/07


Missy,
I'm sure you have noticed that in the New Testament Christ is only refered to as the Son of God, never as God. I believe what the Bible says. The whole issue was started by a Roman Emperor who was brought up pagan and converted to Christianity. In order to make Christianity agree with his pagan belief of a "mother of God", Christ needed to be God.
---Robert_Zantay on 11/23/07


The BoM was changed 4000+ times since published. If you disagree look in archives and compare a modern BoM. Missionaries that come to your house are sent away for 2 years and brainwashed with scripture that they cannot interpret but have it interpreted by an elder. Joseph Smith claimed to be a prophet, but in the real bible, it states that if a prophet is wrong 1 time, he is a false prophet. Joseph smith predicted Christ's return many times, and finally decided Jesus had already returned.
---ben on 11/22/07


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