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Are Jehovah Witnesses Christian

So if Mormons aren't Christians then are Jehovah Witnesses Christians since they use the name Jehovah.

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Marcia, when you go to heaven, apolgise to calvin for what you sayed, Yhowa witnesses are more like the Nikolatians in the bible who where condemned for their worldly demonical vieuws upon God, Calvin was willing to be corrected by the word of God, so was Luther and Zwingli, to name a few
since theire days knowledge has increased. Yh witnesses are not Christian, they ar Anti-Christ (anti= replacing) with laws and regulations.
---Andy on 2/28/08


to understand a sect is easy Are they the uniquely saved? Do they reject Christ as God?they reject the Holy Sprit as a person,?
are they seperating themself from the wicked world? all these items and more are present wth the YWs'witnesses. So they are a "christian cult" no escaping from that
---Andy on 2/28/08


Jack:

The JWs don't deny that Jesus came in the flesh.
They only deny that AFTER RESURRECTION, Jesus had a "flesh body", saying he had only a "spirit body".
---StrongAxe on 2/27/08


Geoff:

Yes, the JWs deny the divinity of Jesus (and their translation of the Bible twists quite a few verses in order to do so).

But is that really such a MAJOR thing?
Jesus never demanded that people worship him as God.
And I don't recall any verses in the New Testament that demand that Christians worship him as God either, nor is doing so a necessary condition for salvation.
(If someone can find a verse that does so, I'd be happy to see it).
---StrongAxe on 2/27/08


Marcia, you are misinformed. J.W. and Calvinist have nothing in common. Calvinist do not believe in faith and Works, or the the same in the after life. If they do, can you print what is similar to them? It should not be hard so that we can see how they are the same believes? If they believed in Predestination, they, the J.W. would not be working to earn their salvation. Calvinist believe in election.
---Mark_V. on 2/27/08




Yes, Jehovah Witnesses believe Jesus rose from the dead in the flesh. Also that He began an assent to heaven in the flesh and then dematerialized into His Spirit Being (like He was before incarnate by Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary -- that makes sense to me).It's in JW book *Greatest Man Who Ever Lived*
---Sheila on 2/27/08


Jehovah Witnesses reject some Christian teachings and usally do not associate with Christians. They reject the Trinity. They believe that Jesus was Micheal the Arch Angel. They believe that the Holy Spirit is God's active force and not a third member of the trinity. They put a strong emphases on fatih and works. They are much like Calvinist in their beleifs on after life- they proclaim the predestination doctrine. They believe hell is a place for the dead but not a place of tormenting fire.
---Marcia on 7/26/07


Johnny, I'm surprised that you have studied "many years" with JWs and missed a most egregious error as denying the divinity of Christ. To them Jesus is not eternally God. They say He was created. Please disprove me from the Bible which opposes their heresy. Perhaps you should get to know your Bible a little better so that you can detect their error. The Bible is more reliable than you claim. 1 Jn 4:1-3
---Geoff on 7/25/07


I'm impressed with the JW's who have visited me. I don't consider them deceivers but deceived.

The JW Cult isn't Christian as they deny the very basis of Christianity that Jesus is God the Son, God with us, but say He is a god.

The JW bible has been modified (Romans 14:8,9)-the JW heirachy have corruptly re-written this passage to make it conform with their doctrine. It disagrees with their own Greek Interlinear.

Sadly they have lead many lovely people away from Biblical truth.
---Warwick on 7/4/07


Geoff, You take partial of what the JW's teach, then twist it into something out of this world, call it blasphemy, when you still don't know what in this world you are doing, or talking about. I have studied with them many years ago, and found nothing wrong with their teachings. I am not one of them, nor do I claim to know the Bible to it's full measure, because of the many changes it's been through. However God does reveal things to people, and to deny that could be a blaspheme against the Holy Spirit.
---Johnny_5 on 7/3/07




Johnny, Jesus is the Eternal "Word" of God, Jesus the Messiah and Son of God, became flesh and ministered among men so that all who believe in Him would be saved. He is "eternal" and has no beginning as you have quoted. He is "not" a created being, since He is eternal, and is One in essence with the Father and the Spirit. The Spirited God has no beginning but reveals Himself to us through the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
---mark on 7/3/07


Sheila asks "What's wrong with that?" Only showing Jesus respect, but having a different Jesus is a huge problem! JW info on Jesus' divinity is sparce because divinity just means "a god" to them, not the exclusive God of our Bible.
---Geoff on 7/3/07


Sheila , JWs believe Jesus is not God the Son, but the most important created being. They further blaspheme, reducing the precious 3rd Person, God the Holy Spirit to a mere force, a most egregious error-Mt 12:31-32, Mk 3:29, Lk 12:10! This was enough for faithful Christians to request rebaptism-Acts 19:1-5
---Geoff on 7/3/07


Sheila, I do appreciate you correcting me in my error. You do defend. I just got out of the hospital at that time, and when I started reading, I just kept reading negatives. Sorry again, and God bless.
---Johnny_5 on 7/3/07


Matthew, As I've explained over and over again, God Almighty, Jehovah, YahWeh, which ever you may call Him, has "no" beginning, or ending. Therefore the verse at John 1:1 must refer to the "beginning of creation." God's first creation was the "Word" who is also known to us as Jesus Christ. God created the Word with His own hands, no help from the Holy Spirit, that's why the Word, or Christ is called "devine." Everything else was created by means of Him, and for Him.
---Johnny_5 on 7/3/07


*I would think that yes that person can still know Jesus while having that false belief.*

1 Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
---Matthew on 6/22/07


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2)
I truly believe Paul is talking about believing Jesus is God here. It will be argued Paul just meant master , yet when people called God, Lord(Capital), it was much deeper than that. This context of Lord was reserved for only God.


I can almost bet if you asked people when Jesus was roaming the Earth, "do you call Him Lord and worship Him because he is God?" they would respond "of course." I fear for anyone's soul who rejects Christ is divine.
---Matthew on 6/22/07


Matthew-Thank you for your points!

If a person believes Jesus was created and then created everything else vs. was born of God and then created everything else -- can that person still know Jesus? I would think that yes that person can still know Jesus while having that false belief.
---Sheila on 6/22/07


**OK Philipians 2:6 "who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,"...**

Lorra, I agree. Jehovah God gave Jesus equal authority with Him over all other things. Jesus is also worthy of worship praise etc. So this scripture proves further what I said, which you haven't explicitly contradicted either.
---OK on 6/22/07


Geoff-I found it in a dictionary:*divine* as in *celestial* & *celestial* as in angels,for example.That's why I asked which definition you were using.I think your interpretation of 2Pt.1 :3-4 is correct because the ONLY One it's referring to as divine is God&it's pertaining to things ONLY He can give (life and godliness.The Biblical definition you found IS the better definition, thanks!

(continued)
---Sheila on 6/21/07


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Geoff-(part2)So based on *divine* in 2Pt.1:3-4, do JW's believe Jesus is divine?I found their website and searched it(also looked in their book*The Greatest man Who Ever Lived*)&I can't find an answer as to whether in 2Pt.1:3-4,that's referring to the Father or the Son(according to JW's).They do believe Col.1:15-16 that all things were created thru Jesus&for Jesus.

(continued)
---Sheila on 6/21/07


Geoff-(part3)Even if JW's do believe use of*divine*in 2Pt1:3-4,refers to only Jehovah,God the Father;&we partake of that divinity thru Jesus but it's not Jesus' divinity;where does Bible say that believing that mistake means you're not saved? How accurately must you know Jesus to be saved? We all error on some belief of Him.

JW's believe:
Jesus created ALL things (except the Father)
He was born in the flesh
He died in the flesh
He was ressurrected in the flesh

(continued)
---Sheila on 6/21/07


Geoff-(part4)Here's how they pray:

*Prayer is part of our worship. Thus, we should pray only to God, Jehovah. When Jesus was on earth, he always prayed to his Father, not to anyone else. We should do the same. (Matthew 4:10; 6:9) However, all our prayers should be said in the name of Jesus. This shows that we respect Jesus' position and that we have faith in his ransom sacrifice.John 14:6; 1 John 2:1, 2. *

What's wrong with that?
---Sheila on 6/21/07


Anyone that is divine is perfect,Godly,unchangeable and uncorruptible. Even angels have turned against God. It's because they aren't perfect. There is only one who is perfect and divine. Can Jesus turn against God? No. Can the Holy Spirit? No. They have God's characteristics and Jesus was born of God, not created.
---Matthew on 6/21/07


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Sheila, you said "angels can rightly be called divine." Maybe it's in that JW book, The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived, but I haven't seen that in the Bible. Please show us where that is found. Divinity is reserved only for God! We are only partakers-2 Pt 1:3-4.
---Geoff on 6/21/07


Johnny_5-You lost me. What have I said that is condemning of the Jehovah's Witnesses? As I've seen things in this forum, I'm doing a whole lot of defending of the Jehovah's Witnesses over what people falsely believe about them, and what they falsely accuse the JW's of.

Again, what have I said that is condemning of the Jehovah's Witnesses?
---Sheila on 6/20/07


Because they're cults.
You can be friends with one another and smooze up to one another; travel together. It doesn't change the fact, they're cults.
If you're in a cult why are you demanding that we listen to a pack of lies?
Why would a Mormon or JW care what others think of their false relgions? Is there a shred of doubt in your heart that you are going down the wrong road.
If you like those doctrines of demons so much, why are you fighting so hard to cause others to fall?
---Frankie on 6/20/07


I find it odd that there are some who would be lost without the culties, and "don't you dare leave". The alliances mean so much to them but not enough to tell them the Truth.
Friendship over the Gospel of Christ. I guess they're loving them to death. Spiritual death.
It also reveals a weakness that you can be so easily led, unable to tell the difference between good and evil.
---Frankie on 6/20/07


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Moses refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter.
Moses chose to be with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures.
Moses chose to cast down the high things of Egypt. Idolatry, false gospels that are in opposition to God.
Moses was put in a position to cast down spiritual bondage over God's people.
---Frankie on 6/20/07


Moses was used by God as a mighty deliverer.

Satan is the grand illusionist. His aim is to lull you to sleep and intimidate you until you believe a lie.

The Truth of Jesus will consume any poisonous snake the devil has out there.
God's Truth will overwhelm every power and strategy of cults/false gospels as the enemy of your soul.
---Frankie on 6/20/07


When Moses and Aaron encountered "cults", Pharaoh and his enchanters "witchcraft";

When Moses and Aaron stepped into Pharaoh's court, they faced sorcery, satanic powers and witchcraft of the magicians, Jannes and Jambres.

Moses and Aaron confronted the spiritual strongholds, magic arts, demons of Egypt - that were intent on holding the people of God in bondage.
God showed Moses and Aaron that He is bigger than every false cult and every power.
---Frankie on 6/20/07


I'm not calling a cult, Christianity.
The rod of Moses swallowed the rods of cults.

We are to come out from among them.
If you want to get on the bus and go along for the ride back into bondage, captivity, demonic strongholds and a grand illusion, that will be your decision.
You won't be taking me with you.
---Frankie on 6/20/07


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Friends, we call ourselves Christians yet we call each other cults etc..how do u know such n such are cults? wouldnt it be better for u yourself to ensure your salvation in Christ and preach the truth? I am guilty also so I apologise to whomever I may have offended on this forum..I am a Christian amen LET US NOT CALL OTHERS CULTS etc..lets practice christianity...
---jana on 6/20/07


Sheila, Maybe you should do some more research on the JW's before you say something condemning your brothers. I too have studied with them in the past and find nothing wrong with their teachings. No, I am not a member of them, however I do find alot of their ways True. God Bless.
---Johnny_5 on 6/19/07


OK,

RIGHT ON!
LOVE CARLAXXXXX
---Carla5754 on 6/19/07


Jack-What you said about JW's beliefs is false.

Looks like *incarnation* is another one of those terms such as *beattitudes*&*Trinity* which name Biblical concepts,but are NOT found in Bible.I'm NOT saying naming Biblical concepts is wrong.But what counts is do they believe in the the concept,NOT the naming of it! Biblical concept behind*incarnation*is Jesus was conceived by God in the virgin Mary&made man,&that Jesus ALREADY existed BEFORE the conception.JW's BELIEVE that!
(continued)
---Sheila on 6/18/07


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Jack-(part2) )I know my info from *The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived*,a THICK JW book about Jesus.They DON'T explain away His resurrection.In the book,He's BODILY raised from the dead& begins a BODILY assent into Heaven.It says He dematerializes into Spirit when not seen.But,that's less conjecture than to believe He remained in the flesh,cuz He WASN'T flesh before He was born incarnate.They believe He came in the flesh!
---Sheila on 6/18/07


OK Philipians 2:6 "who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,"
Jesus was not suggesting that He was NOT equal to God, or not God, but only that such a concept would not be easily understood by men nor was it something to be exploited in the present situaton.
---lorra8574 on 6/18/07


Mormons and JW's are both Cults.
Corresponding quiz with the corresponding question.
Culties all the way.
---Francis on 6/18/07


#1 Carla, I can see how you would feel unsettled with the idea that Jesus is God. Let me break it down for you. Jesus is not Jehovah (or Yahweh), like you have rightly said. Indeed, he is Jehovah God's son, & Jehovah God, he tells us in the bible is "greater than" he. It is clear how much Jesus respected the Father while he was here on earth. However, as you look into the word, you realize that Jehovah God exalted Jesus to authority, so much so as for man to worship & glorify Jesus,
---OK on 6/18/07


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#2 because He loves Jesus that much, & Jesus is that worthy. You also find out that Jesus claimed to be God, because Jehovah gave Jesus & His Spirit the authority & position to represent Him & act as Him & on His behalf without advanced permission. Even angels were sometimes called God in the OT, when they spoke for Him & appeared on His behalf e.g. the angel that wrestled with Jacob & the angel in the burning bush. However, unlike angels, Jesus is always, without permission, a fully authorized
---OK on 6/18/07


#3 (not partially authorized like men or angels) Representative of the Father, & is entitled to be called both God & Lord, as He is done in the bible. Remember He told His disciples, if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. Because He fully acted on behalf of the Father who gave Him so much authority that He gave all things, the bible says, into Jesus' hands, making Jesus equal in the area of authority over things to Him
---OK on 6/18/07


#4 so that Jesus "thought it not robbery to make Himself equal to God" as the bible says. Jesus also says He is one with the Father in the same way we should be one. Since, the Holy Spirit represents the Father & Jesus, not Himself, He is the Father...figuratively. & indeed there is only one God, the same way when a man & woman get married, they become one person (well, at least that's what they are supposed to do. :))
---OK on 6/18/07


Sorry -- I don't know what I was thinking to think the JW Bible is the New International Version (that's the NIV, duh on my part.) I know it's not the NIV. I must have gotten mixed up cuz both have word *new* in it? Anyway,the JW Bible is the New World Translation.Sorry for mistake.
---Sheila on 6/18/07


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Why does using a name that Jesus DIDN'T use make them Christians?

The Letters of John warn us that the Spirit of Antichrist is to deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh--that is, to deny the Incarnation. JWs do that.

"If you believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, you will be saved." JW's deny the Resurrection and explain it away.

So what do you think?
---Jack on 6/18/07


Carla I'lll end the discussion with a simple question. Is it ok for me to worship Jesus? Jesus stopped not one person from worshipping Him. But angels of the Lord do.

Revelation 22:8-9
8And I John saw these things, and heard them. ..I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
---Matthew on 6/18/07


Carla enough proof of God's divinity has been given to you. There is nothing left I can do. It's up to you now to believe it or not.
---Matthew on 6/18/07


Carla enough proof of God's divinity has been given to you. There is nothing left I can do. It's up to you now to believe it or not.
---Matthew on 6/18/07


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Romans 14:18
For he that in these things serveth Christ [is] acceptable to God and approved of men

And God said

"Worship the Lord and only Him shalt you serve"

You are saying my God is confused. Either Christ is God or God wrote a contradiction. God doesn't change His mind remember? I gave you enough passages. It's all up to you know, Carla.
---Matthew on 6/18/07


1#
Respectfully Mathew 6/17/07

Luke 4:8
Accepted
1)
concept Accepted
2)
Romans 14:18
For he that in these things serveth Christ [is] acceptable to God and approved of men

it this scripture in line with the topic or about judging ones brother in eating/not eating meat?

to mean all belong to Christ/God regardless of one serving a day or eating meat.
Scripture accepted
[rejected]line of use
Bless you Love CarlaX
---Carla5754 on 6/18/07


Ain't done it yet!
---Carla5754 on 6/18/07


Geoff-Not sure what you mean with *before you* statements,but of course Jesus is divine! He's as divine as the Father,for He&His Father ARE One.Angels can rightly be called divine,so what definition of*divine*are you using?

JW's believe Jesus is their Father cuz He created EVERYTHING.
What source says they don't believe He's divine?
They worship ONLY God the Father,ALWAYS THRU Jesus&ALWAYS in Jesus name.How's that lack divinity?
You do SPECULATE on Jesus' nature.
---Sheila on 6/17/07


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Matthew-I love the points you've made -- thank you!

Yes, Jesus is CLEARLY worshipped by angels, even in the JW Bible(New International Version,if I remember right.)

And about Jesus saying *Get behind me Satan* (which He aslo said to Peter), it CLEARLY shows that Jesus and Michael are different beings. For in Jude, Michael says to Satan *the Lord rebuke you*.

Jesus DOESN'T say that cuz He rebukes Satan Himself.
&you made MANY other awesome points how Jesus&Father ARE One.
---Sheila on 6/17/07


Carla listen very carefully. Jesus told the Devil when he was tempted...

Luke 4:8
Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

1)
Over 30 times the NT mentions people woshipping Jesus yet not one time did Jesus stop them or discourage them.
---Matthew on 6/17/07


2)
The Bible and Jesus tells us to serve Christ.

Romans 14:18
because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.

John 12:26
Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.(Jesus)

But Jesus said

Luke 4:8
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.' "



There is no contradiction because Jesus is God.
---Matthew on 6/17/07


Sheila, before you speculate on Jesus' nature & before you defend JWs by saying "JW's DON'T reject Christ as Creator of EVERYTHING.They believe on Jesus as their SAVIOR," do you understand Jesus is divine? JWs don't accept that He is the divine Son of God-Jn 5:18. Do you?
---Geoff on 6/17/07


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Carla, we are made in the image and likeness of God. We have a physical body, and thinking mind and a soul from which we derive our will. Many times my mind wanders but my body stays put, when I am startled my body quakes even after my mind knows that there is nothing to fear. Even when my body is dog tired, and my brain is befuddled with lack of sleep, my will keeps both going when necessary - to feed a newborn child or any other important task.

Yet I am one entity.
---lorra8574 on 6/17/07


My father does not sit on my right hand I sit on his, My father does not do as I command, I do my fathers will. My father was not baptised of man I was, My father was not placed in the womb of a woman I was, I do not know who's name is written in the Lambs Book of Life, My father does. My disciples do not sit on my fathers right hand they will be seated on mine. My fathers name is not Joshuah But YAHWEH.
---Carla5754 on 6/17/07


Carla It is because Jesus calls Himself the Son of God that we know he is divine. The Jews over and over again wanted to stone Him because he claimed he was the Son of God(implying he is God).

We are told Jesus is begotten of God which means born of God. Truth is that can't be creation. If Jesus was born from God then Jesus wasn't created. Which can only mean one thing he has God's divinity flowing thorugh Him because he is God's actual son. I hope this helps.
---Matthew on 6/17/07


Carla 2)

The Jews were told in the Old Testament
"you are gods". A Jew in Jesus day would claim "I am a son of God" yet never would a Jew claim "I am the son of God."
Jesus claimed the latter over and over again which implied he was divine.
---Matthew on 6/17/07


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Carla 2)

The Jews were told in the Old Testament
"you are gods". A Jew in Jesus day would claim "I am a son of God" yet never would a Jew claim "I am the son of God."
Jesus claimed the latter over and over again which implied he was divine.

John 5:18
For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
---Matthew on 6/17/07


Carla 3)

John 10
31Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, 32but Jesus said to them, "I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?"


33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

Did Jesus say you are wrong to claim I am God? No. Read John 10.
Did Jesus stop people from worshipping Him? No.
---Matthew on 6/17/07


Carla 4)
PLease read (Matt 2:2)(Matt 2:8)(Matt 4:10 when reading this ask yourself is it ok to worship Jesus?, are we to serve Jesus?)(Matt 8:2)(Matt 9:18)(Matt 14:33)(Matt 15:25)(Matt 28:9)(Matt 20:20)(Matt 28:17)(Mark 5:6)

That's only some of the passages about people worshipping Jesus. There are many more.
---Matthew on 6/17/07


Now try writing that again this time using the names that have been changed the original names may clear things up!
---Carla5754 on 6/17/07


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My "I said you are God's" statements was said after a poor misinterpretation on my part. It isn't true what I said. Please disregard it. I'm sorry and a tad embarassed.
---Matthew on 6/16/07


3)
Isaiah 45:23-24
23I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

24Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.
---Matthew on 6/16/07


4)

Romans 14:10-11

10...for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Phillipians 2:9-11
9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth
---Matthew on 6/16/07


5)
IN Hebrews 1 God tells the angels to worship Jesus and also calls Jesus, God. Please look it up so you can see the entire context.

HEBREWS 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.


ISAIAH 42:8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, . .

John 17:5 . . Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
---Matthew on 6/17/07


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Deuteronomy 10:17 For the Lord your God {is} God of Gods, and Lord of Lords, a great God,

Revelation 17:14 . . . the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings

1 CORINTHIANS 15:28 . . . that God may be all in all.

COLOSSIANS 3:11 . . . but Christ is all, and in all.
---Matthew on 6/17/07


John 20:28: "Thomas said to him, 'My Lord and my God!'"

Isaiah 43:11: "'I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior."

John 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!(this would be blasphemy if Jesus wasn't God)"
---Matthew on 6/16/07


John 10:33-34
"I and the Father are one." The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Has it not been written in your Law, "I said, you are gods?"(God said that!)


Psalm 82
1 God presides in the great assembly;
he gives judgment among the "gods":

6 "I said, 'You are "gods";
you are all sons of the Most High.'

And Jesus said he said that. It's either blasphemy or Jesus is God.
---Matthew on 6/16/07


Carla-Well put!Thanks!

*Trinity*,how God can be Father&Son to Himself?

As I see it,the Son is the Word,Who came from the Father.The Word is the Father,just as much or more so as what anyone's words are oneself.Huge contrast is the Father's Word actually has Being.If there was a time before the Word,Jesus must have still had Being with the Father(conception without beginning)as Thought(Wisdom).Somewhere Bible says Holy Spirit is from the Father&Son&shows Him too as having Being.Yet,ONE God.
---Sheila on 6/15/07


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I don't know of a single denomination that follows the bible to a T, and it aint impossible to do so obviously without practicing the rituals of the Law, all faiths today error.
Jesus isn't God and the bible didn't need to list him as his son and God as Jesus's Father if it were not so. I've heard preachers say it would blow your mind to try to understand the ''Trinity'' thats because it's man portrayal of God in his own methodology (words)!
---Carla5754 on 6/15/07


God is who he is and so is Jesus just as it is explained in the bible, don't add one word and take nothing away, innocent of addition it is not fault of the reader if men added to the word for it to make sense to them. It could have left as it is written in english without all these additions which some are clearly mans own interpretation (added footnotes). I found that most words are not even necessary. So they are no more guilty then everyone else.
---Carla5754 on 6/15/07


People believe what they want to believe regardless of scripture so who are we to judge we can only point them to the word as far as we know and God/Jesus/Holy Spirit will do the rest. Everyone with the exception of third world has the ability to research the writings from which their church has based it's foundation evidence points to the truth in the written word of God. After much careful study of the scriptures the responsibility rest on the reader.
---Carla5754 on 6/15/07


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