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What Is Sin Today

Everyone seems to disagree with what is sin nowadays. Is it safe to follow our own will and understanding of what sin is or should we give all trust to God? Does God have a set standard today to show us what sin is?

Moderator - Yes, it's called the Bible.

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1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Pro 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
---jerry6593 on 3/15/08

Tom2 ... Matt 25 vv 34 - 46. In trying to reduce pollution, I hope to help to enable the hungry and thirsty to have safe food and water, and have clothes that are adequate to protect them from the elements including solar radiation. That seems to tie in a little bit with what Jesus was saying.
And although I can do relatively little, I remember the widow & her mite.
---alan8869_of_UK on 3/14/08

Sin is worse than the devil, for sin made the devil a devil. He would have been an angel if it had not been for sin.
---Cynthia on 7/15/07

If it does not align with God is a sin.
---JIM on 6/28/07

Good answer,Moderator!!! Sin is falling short of the mark.Whatsoever is not of faith, is sin. The word of God is the only thing that we can rely on. It is truth, and it teaches us Gods will, not mans, they are very different!!! If you concentrate on sin, it grows, if you concentrate on God, it diminishes.Faith pleases God. Be Blessed !!!
---Gayla on 6/27/07

Whenever I find the plot of a movie taking my mind into a sinful place, I find that I am more and more glad that I grew up memorizing Scripture verses. Beginning with the Ten Commandments. OK, I sometimes use the day of rest as a day of labor, but the moral commandments of Thou shalt not murder, Envy, False Witness, Adultery, Disrespect to Parents and other Elders - these verses still need to be conciously drawn up again into my mind in order for me to be sure what God has said Sin consists of.
---harold on 6/28/07

Sin is what it always was - if God says no and we do it anyways, we have sinned. It is just that simple. For those who have been redeemed and have the full knowledge of the scriptures, to knowingly and willingly go against God's will, is a far worse sin.

God is eternal and He does not change with every wind of doctrine, He is as He always was, the only differene is that we know God better than our ancestors did.
---lorra8574 on 6/27/07

Pt.2 That error will be addressed by the Holy Spirit on the behalf those who willing submit to a renewing of their minds. Those who have by the grace of God allowed their mind and understanding to be open to His call yet are concerned about the eventual outcome of that, sin (offend) through unbelief. That will be forgiven upon repentance. Those who will not submit to the call of salvation thru Jesus, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is their sin (missing the mark) and that sin will not be forgiven.
---joseph on 6/27/07

For those who have accepted The Fathers salvation through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus yet will not accept without doubt or wavering the reconciliation as a gift through His finished work, and are not willing to rest in the fact that those who believe (rely on, adhere to, trust in, and depend upon) Christ has been redeemed (rescued and ransomed) from the curse of the law, given the truth that He has been made a curse for us. Their sin (error) is ignorance (a lack of understanding). Cont. Pt.2
---joseph on 6/27/07

the same as it has always been. a transgression against Gods word.God has clearly told us what is sin, seem most people today can,t read.or don,t care to know truth.I set before you life and death choose.peole seem to think that truth has a bunch of gray areas, it don,t.And many will find out after they pass on.
---tom2 on 8/12/06

What sin is nowadays,-the standard. What is the opposite of belief? The oppositional anti-thetical antagonism is doubt. Doubt is a fear-based reaction. The right kind of love, casts out fear. Some say it's okey to have a little fear. Is it okey to have a little cancer?
1Jo 4:18 "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love." Doubt is the curse of idolatry, Dt 28:14,66
Daniel disovlved doubts
---jhonny on 8/12/06

How important is it to be Obedient to God, and yield to His Word? Look at Lot's wife, she's a perfect example of "not yielding", God's angel took her by the hand , trying to lead her out, but she still disobeyed, God had had enough, and God has had enough of folks in our day not Yielding. Some people take God's Grace for granted, period. --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/12/06

(3.)...We must take a stand , it's not about self-righteousness as some have accused, Obeying, Yielding to God, isn't self righteousness, it's called Yield and being obedient, it's called saying "no" to the devil , and "yes" to God daily, but some seem to be afraid of these words: yield and obey for some reason. Nevertheless God always has His Obedient and Despised "Few" both Old and New Testament --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/12/06

jerry6593 ,(2.)I like the Moderator's answer!It's called the Bible. God's endtime people are a holy & bold people, it's the Holy Ghost that makes us bold, and the Blood of Jesus that makes us Holy, living though the Blood.
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/12/06

jerry6593 ,(1.) you are so right,sin is the same today as it was yesterday. Many have died for this Uncompromised Gospel of Christ, not a man-made diluted version of It....
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/12/06

Jerry - I think that the scripture you might mediate on is found in 2 Peter 3:16

"There are some things in them (Paul's letters) that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures."

You should either study these things or simply stay away from things you have little knowledge of.
---lee on 8/12/06

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Lee: Nice try, but it doesn't wash. Have you ever counted how many scriptures you have to ignore or brutalize in order to maintain your man-made beliefs?
---jerry6593 on 8/12/06

Christ magnifies the law, the spirit of anti-christ minimizes, reduces and even disannuls the law. Primitive anger without cause is a greater transgression. Just to look on a woman with lust is adultery (mt.5:28). The violation action taken place in the heart. God's intimacy magnified.
---jhonny on 8/10/06

The prophecy from the prophets foretold that the Messiah would magnify the law. "...for his righteousness sake, he will magnify the law, and make it honourable." The Christos said, "..I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Although the word means to complete and end, it also means;-to cause to abound, to supply liverally - promises, prophecies, sayings as through the prophets.
---jhonny on 8/10/06

Jerry - I can in some way sympathize with the inability of the Sabbatherian in defending their belief that the church must observe Old Covenant law - given to the Jewish nation only. It must be very frustrating to continue to "kick against the goads". Acts 26:14

But perhaps one day the Spirit of the Lord will open closed eyes and those weak in the faith, so to understand what the Scripture is telling the church. Rev. 18:4
---lee on 8/10/06

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Lee: Only the carnal mind would would continue to war against the TEN Commandment law of liberty by calling one of them amoral.
---jerry6593 on 8/10/06

Jerry - James 2:10 speaks of the "whole" law and then gives examples in 2:11. The 'whole law' is just that - moral, ceremonial and whatever type law there may be of God.

If you limit James 2 to moral law, then clearly the sabbath commandment would be excluded since any type of observance like the Sabbath is not a moral law but more a ceremonial law. Moral law does not depend upon the rotation of the earth and is something that can be violated any time in contrast to ceremonial laws.
---lee on 8/9/06

Lee: The context of Jam 2:11 (adultery and killing) makes it clear that the law being discussed is the Ten Commandment moral law. And yes, according to the Bible (Deu 4:13), there are ten - not nine. Further, Jam 2:10 makes it clear that to break any one of the ten is to break them all. Why should one argue against the holy word of God? It will not change His mind.
---jerry6593 on 8/9/06

Jerry - in those verses what or whose law is being addressed? OT laws? Mosaic law, or simply moral laws?
---lee on 8/8/06

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1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Jam 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Pro 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
---jerry6593 on 8/8/06

What is sin today?

Romans 14:23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.
James 4:17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
1 John 5:17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death.

The NT verses seem to indicate that sin is more from the heart then the mere breaking of a rule.
---lee on 8/7/06

Eric - Instead of trying to impose the 10 commandments on the church, why not simply request that Christians obey the ones Jesus gave us -

Romans 13:9 The commandments, 'You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,' and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'

In that way, all moral obligations will be fulfilled. Ceremonial laws such as Sabbath observance - the NT does not require it.
---lee on 8/5/06

But if certain laws do not pertain to the church, then there is no obligation to obey them. For instance, do you obey all the laws of Canada? Probably not since you live in the USA. In similar manner, laws given exclusively to the Israel (e.g. circumcision, Sabbath observance) are not obligatory to the church. Jesus did not remove the 4th commandment as He fulfilled it so that "those that believe enter that rest" Hebr 4:9-10
---lee on 8/5/06

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SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12

Jesus never changed the law Matt 5:17, Luke 16:17 Matt 19:17

Matt 24:20, Mark 2:27 The 4th commandment He never removed.
Why not keep all ten instead of just 9? Why do people justify the breaking of the 4th commandment?
Luke 4:16 It is sin to steal and sin to break the 4th.
---eric on 7/17/06

Sin is unbelief. Jesus died for all the bad things that we "call" sin. "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world" remember? Either He did or He didn't. This is where unbelief comes in...Is breaking the law of Moses sin? Then why did JESUS NAIL THE LAW TO THE TREE? see also Gal 2:21
---sam6965 on 7/16/06

exzuch, yes be fruitful and multiply. but he didn,t say use up all the resources, and pollute the planet till you can,t breathe,or drink the water,or walk thru many chemical sites without a full enviromental suit on.Bibilical fruitfullness is spiritual,just how many people do you believe this planet can sustain??thers nearly 8 billion now.20?50/a 100 billion??the more people the more pollution,more sin,the more that need saved.
---tom2 on 7/7/06

exzuch, i AGRE I was only showing a reference to the fact that an overpopulated world helps make enviromental issue more profound.nothing to do with a doctrine of religion.jesus is my God.
---tom2 on 7/6/06

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I believe sin is delibertly turning against God. There is always a choice, and the Holy spirit will guide you into which is the right choice. We will always sin, but Jesus who died on the cross took that sin away so that we may be free from the bondage of sin. We must commit everything to christ, or we are doomed. All we can do is have faith in our Lord, we are saved through grace
---Jason on 7/5/06

God has standards. They're in the Bible. Sin hasn't changed, excuses just get easier. Illegality and immorality are confused.(It's not's OK) What I notice is that people no longer accept responsibility for sin. "It's their fault.. leave money in plain sight, it's gonna get stolen..If I didn't take it somebody else would" "It's my wife's fault..she drove me into an affair". Prov 14:12 "There is a way that seemeth right unto a men..the end death."
---Donna2277 on 7/5/06

Sometime this fall, the population of the US will reach 300 million. While pollution is a continual problem, the US did not sign the Koyto agreement as that would mean shutting down most of our industry. The melting of the glysers will eventually cause more problems with flooding. I believe that eventually we have to recognize the problem and take steps to correct the situation. What ever happened to the ozone holes in the atmosphere that some thought would be a problem?
---lee on 7/5/06

Tom 2::I see your pain & hurt your internal struggle to help in which what ever way you can & want to erradicate sin help the universe.This can only be accomplished by genuine heatfelt prayer which you show in your script.Be consoled because Jesus sees your love.If it is of any value ,Each one of us will be called to give an account.Those that are affluent & homeless & bigoted & sincere.Continue to spread HIS love in the way you know how tempered with kindness.Peace be with you.
---Emcee on 7/4/06

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We are commanded to be fruitfull and multiplty over population is not a doctrine of God but Adolph Hitler and other people who do ethinic cleansing
---Exzucuh on 7/4/06

have you ever thought that over population and progress are a direct cause of pollution????I can remember when on a hot summer day smog didn,t exist,when there were not reports on the weather about uv hazards,air quality wasn,t an issue.but as more steel mills pumped,and more cars were manufactured they changed.products and comforts, and overpopulation .dc had 1.5million people in 1967,now its 7 or so.
---tom2 on 7/4/06

Tina, no matter is not evil,nothing God has made is evil,accept satan and his demons.what Iam saying is the flesh of man is sinful, and man has used the planet ,along with his neighbors to pollute the world for gain.and because of progress. as I stated earlier when they invented things a 100 yeras ago they didn,t consider envirmental impacts.many countries don,t even today,neither do many people when they buy products.
---tom2 on 7/4/06

Romans 14:23b "...everything that does not come from faith is sin."

Sin is also defined as the breaking of a law, but for the Christian, "the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law." Gal. 3:24-25

I know our SDA friends will say this refers only to ceremonial law, but that view is not supported by any non-Adventist commentary of the Bible.
---lee on 7/4/06

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#~b Their attitude was this "We will feed them and succour them out of Christian love ... unconditional love ... no need to come to Christian services, no need to sign or promise" They just fed them .... no conditions at all. Were they acting correctly in feeding these Muslims in this way?
They were asked by the Kosovans "Why do you help us like this, we are Muslim?" Their answer "Because Jesus loves us all"
Did they do right?
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/4/06

#~a Still further away from the original question! Our church had a mission couple evnagelising in Albania. Then the Kosovo ethnic cleansing began .. and "albanian" Kosovans flooded over the borders to the safety of Albania, right to the place where our friends were based. Urgent relief necessary. Their church group ended up feeding thousands of Muslim Kosovans.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/4/06

I'm just trying to say that living in a dirty planet is not good. You cant be healthy living in a dirty house, same as our planet. Dirty planet makes people sick. Sick people cant be good, can it? How can sick people do the work of God? I say we all say a little prayer for our planet that God gave us, if we cant do anything else.
---sue on 7/4/06

#3 Alan said, "I think that loving our neighbour goes beyond saving his soul."

Rx: This is spot on! God doesn't need our good works....our neighbor does.
---Tina5349 on 7/4/06

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#2 God created the world (material as well as spiritual), and pronounced it "good." God became flesh, and by his *fleshly* resurrection promises the resurrection of our bodies. Christians believe that redemption takes place within earthly human history not in some super-spiritual sphere. Be careful not to emphasize the self's personal, direct encounter with God outside of the historical events of God's saving activity and His chosen earthly means of grace.
---Tina5349 on 7/4/06

#1 Tom2 said: I care about peoples spiritual life,their life in the flesh is bad because of sin.
Rx: Just for clarification, are you somehow saying that matter is "evil" and spirit is "good"? Is spirit opposed to matter? Is salvation, in your opinion, redemption *from* the body?
---Tina5349 on 7/4/06

Sin = disobeying God.

We are the owned property of God.
We are bought and paid for, just like a pet.

God demands that we do as we are told. Death is promised for disobedience. Jesus' death "paid for" our purchase.

Acts 20:28 . . . the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

1 Cor 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

1 Cor 7:23 Ye are bought with a price . . .
---a_servant on 7/4/06

People have been and will continue to die from disease,starvation,pollution,whatever. just as they did when jesus lived.he healed and raised from the dead many, prove who he was and what his message one wants people to suffer from anything thats avoidable. but we live in a world of the me spiritual truth and saving the lost is the first priority.then work on making life better .cause without jesus there is no life.
---tom2 on 7/4/06

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But we fight not against flesh but spirits.our battle with the flesh is within ourselves, and that is hard enough to overcome. Jesus didn,t attempt to solve all the social issues of his day, or all the suffering.he witnessed to the truth,the spiritual truth and died to give us the power to overcome sin in our lives with his blood and his truth.I would love to solve all the problems of the world, and man if I could I would in a heart beat. But ALAS i,AM ONLY HUMAN.
---tom2 on 7/4/06

I get a sick sinking feeling in my heart when I think of the misery that sin has brought into the world. And an even worse one when I think of the lost and the ones that will never accept jesus.with this in mind how in the world can I let thoughts of making the world a better place when what Imight be trying to accomplish doesn,t lead people to stopping pollution would lead the lost to jesus I would be in front on the battle lines.
---tom2 on 7/4/06

I believe telling others about Christ is very important. If you go up to a hungry homeless person and say you are a sinner and need Christ, but give him no food or clothes, how receptive do you think the person will be to the Gospel? I don't mean through causes and government. I mean through individual Christians and churches. 1John 3:17-18
---Creamcup on 7/4/06

#2 God created the world (material as well as spiritual), and pronounced it "good." God became flesh, and by his *fleshly* resurrection promises the resurrection of our bodies. Christians believe that redemption takes place within *earthly* human history not in some super-spiritual sphere. Be careful not to emphasize the self's personal, direct encounter with God outside of the historical event's of God's saving activity and His chosen earthly means of grace.
---Tina5349 on 7/4/06

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#1 tom2 said: I care about peoples spiritual life,their life in the flesh is bad because of sin.

Rx: Just for clarification, are you somehow saying that matter is "evil" and spirit is "good"? Is spirit opposed to matter? Is salvation, in your opinion, redemption *from* the body?
---Tina5349 on 7/4/06

Tom2, that was the message I tried to give Emcee. It is so important to understand that all of the answers are in Scripture. you have done a good job putting the points down as to what has happened in the world and why. We cannot stop what is to come for the world but we sure can bring the gospel to those that will hear. Of course if there is a need close to us, we respond out of compassion for many are gifted in that field, but many are just waiting for the calling of God's word. Blessings brother
---Lupe2618 on 7/4/06

Tom ... We agree on so much! All you say about causes of pollution and other bad things is so right. I am no tree hugger, and where did you get the idea that "saving the planet" is my passion?
My point was that poisoning the environment is wrong (and in spite of what you say, it does cause hunger and is destoying the weather systems that bring water.
I think that loving our neighbour goes beyond saving his soul, but you appear to think it is limited to that.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/4/06

to sum up. If you don,t hear in the spirit,and see in the spirit, then you won,t know in the spirit the truth of the spirit. You will only perceive what going on around you in the flesh.ergo you are and will remain lost for you know nothing in the flesh ,but the flesh, the needs of the flesh,the desires of the flesh and you will live your life in fullfillment of the flesh.
---tom2 on 7/4/06

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lupe, the real tragedy of their thinking is that they are outside Gods word in their thinking which directly affects their actions.WE CALL THAT SIN.Jesus wasn,t fooling when he said he who has ears let him hear.and he who has eyes let hiom see. the problem is he was talking spiritual ears and spiritual eyes. but people don,t hear or see spiritualy. the results their lost.
---tom2 on 7/4/06

2. Each one of us would love to help every child but we cannot. There are too many. We give of our hearts because of that love, but we know well we cannot stop what is coming to pass. It will continue until the time that God calls a stop to it all. All we can do is our part in life and witness to the lost. To make sure we do what we are called to do. If we can help in the mean time, great. The world is fallen and many are waiting to be called by our message.
---Lupe2618 on 7/4/06

lupe,yep. If it weren,t for people living in the flesh there never would have been sin and then we would be in paradise.Many so called christians don,t live in christ with spiritual thoghts controlling there flesh, and they cry out to God for answers ,when God has given them the answers. They just choose not to apply them. then they wonder why there prayers aren,t answered.
---tom2 on 7/4/06

Tom2, I believe your points are so true. Every point you gave is true. We do love to help others because of the compassion that is in us of Christ. As Alan stated, he would rather help in another way. I believe we act with love for others only because we have Christ. But sin is in the world and people just don't care. They don't have God in their life's and only think of what is good for them. So they ruin everything.
---Lupe2618 on 7/4/06

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Brother, you do your thing and I will do my thing and in heaven God will hash it all out. God bless you in your mission.
---tom2 on 7/4/06

I know your not telling me that saving the planets enviroment will end peoples misery.people will always be in need no matter what the enviromental condition of the planet tie the two directly together as you have tried is rather people, absolutely but clean air don,t feed people,and clean water is hard to come by since they have their waste mixed with their water sources.maybe we should build more water plants and sewage plants would save more than talk.
---tom2 on 7/4/06

How about we stop all the issues of peoples needs like water,food,housing,ethnic cleanising,religious persecution,before we think about saving the planet.thats my we never will just like we never will stop pollution. why cause the vast majority of people just [plainly don,t care. they don,t care about their fellow man .why in the world would they care about the planet?
---tom2 on 7/4/06

men in this world still believe in ethnic cleansing,bosnia,in many coutries in afica they sell christians as slaves, just because they are christians ,in china people are arrested everday because they are christians. I personally have watched children scavaging garbage dumps for food many with missing appendiges because the operators while moving garbage ran over them .and you talk to me of saving the planet,AND WITH PASSION. great I CAN,T BELIEVE WHAT iAM READING.See I can say that also.
---tom2 on 7/4/06

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right over your head,I care about peoples spiritual life,their life in the flesh is bad because of sin.most third world countries don,t have sewwage treatment raw sewage just runs right into the streets or rivers surrounding them.just as it does in the valley will I live here in do you save a planet when most people aren,t interested in saving my posts about trash on our highways,and what is actually needed to produce the products that you probably use everday in your own life.
---tom2 on 7/4/06

part3 if you have a passion to do enviromental work God bless you and good luck.But not everyone has your passion,and some like me see a world ruled by the flesh and money and don,t care to get involved or participate in your passion.Sadam set oil wells on fire and created a enviromental problem in the gulf war, have you ever riden down a typical american highway and seen people picking up trash?in a mile maybe 15 or 20 so 30 gallon trash bags full.the flesh will always do the wrong thing.
---tom2 on 7/4/06

part 2 the gasoline engine was invented near the begining of the 20th you believe they did a enviromental impact on the effects of burning gas? which most countries in the world today still use.people don,t care much about the enviroment,untreated sewage still flows into the rivers all around pittsburg pa,and many other rural areas of america, I care more about peoples souls and there ultimate destination,rather than the physical realities of a polluted planet caused by fleshy needs.
---tom2 on 7/4/06

Sue, our planet is in trouble because of sin.sinful man in lust for money and power has been destroying the enviroment for power and many products that we as the public demand for our use involve the use of chemicals to separate elements in those products.I have worked at both chemical plants and refinerys.befroe the epa they dumped waste rifght onto the in those areas you have to wear a full enclosure suit just to walk thru them.
---tom2 on 7/4/06

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Helen ... tell me the time and date when the planet is going to be destroyed, and then I will stop trying to help the starving and thirsty. Until you tell me when those people's earthly lives are going to be stopped, I will do my bit to give them as decent an earthly life as possible.
I will love my neighbour, even if I don't know him.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/3/06

and people aren,t starving and dying because of the spoiling of the enviroment.they are because people don,t care about each other enough to end their fellow mans pain.we have enough resources and knowledge that no one should be in need but theres those priorities showing their ugly face again. Or should I say mans nature.
---tom2 on 7/3/06

Alan - Why do you want to save something that is going to get destroyed anyway? Jesus told us to "Go preach the gospel". Nowhere in His word did He ever tell us to save the planet.... it is going to be destroyed.
---Helen_5378 on 7/3/06

Tom2 ... People (our neighbur whom we are instructed to love) are dependent upon the planet. That is why I choose to do my bit to help make the planet as good a place to live in as possible.
The Matthew passage shows that Jesus cares not only about people spiritually but also physically.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/3/06

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CANNOT BELEIVE WHAT I'M READING! No wonder our planet is in trouble! How can u possible say that u care about people then the same sentence say u do NOT care about our earth?? If you care about people you MUST care about our earth. Just because people want to make the earth better does NOT mean they're worshipping it! I want my body to be healthy, that doesn't mean I am worshipping my body! God created everything for us, why would we disrespect Him and continue to distroy ANYthing He created for us????
---sue on 7/2/06

our lord said not to worry about what you have to eat,or wear for your father in heaven knows you have need of them.and he personally had no place to lay his thats all 3 of the basic human needs not supplied by the physical but to be relied upon for God to supply.jesus said worry about the one who has the power to thro your soul into the lake of fire.people,and their spiritual walk, thats what important,nothing else too much emphasis on physical needs will pull you from spiritual revelation.
---tom2 on 7/2/06

alan, friend if you wanta save the planet thats your choice go right ahead, but if your are what you say you are you sir need to accept that many people don,t care. and friend don,t insinuate that I don,t care about people , that sir is a flat lie about me. my point is people are what I care about , the planet is what I don,t care about enough to get involved in trying to save. the great commission is to save people ,not the enviroment.
---tom2 on 7/2/06

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