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Mary As A Continual Virgin

Why is it so important for Roman Catholics to believe Mary remained a virgin after the birth of Christ when the Bible clearly states Joseph and Mary had children and that Joseph had sexual relationships with Mary? Why not just believe the Bible versus a false tradition?

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Jerry:If you do not beleive how canyou see Blessed are those who do not see but beleive.Strange But true it, is there .I would love to help you But it is Your faith that enables one to see.
---MIC on 9/15/08


Nicole: It is the Holy Bible that I quoted as forbiding the making of AND bowing down to idols. It is therefore the Bible that you have a problem with - not me! It was Jesus Himself who wrote those words in stone. So take it up with God. If you don't wish to obey His commandments, you don't have to. Of course, there will be consequences!
---jerry6593 on 9/13/08


MIC: Jerry:-If she were not immortal she would never be able to "Come and Go"at will as did Moses and Elija [sic]." Quite right! She is not able to come and go because she's dead. Elijah was translated and Moses resurrected. Where in the Bible does it mention Mary being seen after her death? What evidence do you have that Mary "comes and goes?"
---jerry6593 on 9/13/08


Right on Paul"He is the one JESUS CHRIST the only GOD OF THE LIVING,AND GOD"Those who seek his opponent is of the dead but no God just one misguiged Make believe angel of Darkness with the light turned OFF for His Rebellion against THE ALMIGHTY GOD.
---MIC on 9/11/08


the dead in Christ are dead and the non living on earth who were dead in Christ remain dead in hell.
All others are in heaven like the Blessed Mother.
In the book of Matt. all were raised with him that believed and were saved are in heaven.
They even walked he earth after they were raised from being asleep.
Mark 12- 27"(P)He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, you are greatly mistaken."
Matt27- 52And the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
# 1 Corin 15:44
It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
---paul on 9/11/08




I've seen the statues of Mary, and people bowing before them. Mary is not immortal YET! The Bible says only God has immortality! She, like all of us, will "put on immortality" at Jesus 2nd coming.---jerry6593

And I seen many Japanese bowing to each other, but I don't assume that are worshipping each other.

I seen many people including Protestants standing up in honoring the Judge as he or she enters the coutroom, but I am smart enough to know they do not worship the Judge.

I heard and seen Protestants asking each others to pray for them to Jesus, instead of asking Him themselves. But, I know they don't think the other Christian is a god.

Sounds like someone is a hypocrite.
---Nicole on 9/10/08


Exo 20:4,5 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above,or that is in the earth beneath,or that is in the water under the earth--jerry6593

Then, cut up all your pictures! Or you are a hypocrite!
Pictures are a graven image of a person.

You can't have any toys of animals, boats, cars, dolls or anything for your kids.

Don't try to say they are not, because you know they are as these definions proves it.

1. graven - cut into a desired shape, "graven images", "sculptured representations"

2. graven - cut or impressed into a surface, "an incised design", "engraved invitations" engraved, etched, inscribed, incised carved
---Nicole on 9/10/08


Jerry:-If she were not immortal she would never be able to "Come and Go"at will as did Moses and Elija at the Transfiguration .God has his way of making his point, its up to mortal man to discern the truth.You made yours:-seeing is beleiveing.Apparantly you do not believe in the Apostles Creed but your own.Blessed are those who do not see and beleive. 2peter.1:11-14
---MIC on 9/10/08


MIC: "Jerry: Your quote is in the wrong place and not applicable." I've seen the statues of Mary, and people bowing before them. Mary is not immortal YET! The Bible says only God has immortality! She, like all of us, will "put on immortality" at Jesus 2nd coming.
---jerry6593 on 9/10/08


Jerry: Your quote is in the wrong place and not applicable.Paul is Right.Mary lives in Christ,(MIC) and is not dead to those who worship Her Son JC."I live in those who live in me".!This comes with the package of FAITH."He who believes will have life EVERLASTING".If you doubt you are standing on sinking sand,or on the brink of THE PIT.
---MIC on 9/9/08




paul:

Exo 20:4,5 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above,or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God

Mary is dead! She cannot hear you!

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing
---jerry6593 on 9/9/08


The Mother of my Lord is who Mary is.
She will always be that Mother.
No one can strip her of her position.

Statues are not gods or idols.
They are images of those who lived exemplary Christ like lives. They are role models never above Jesus but servants under him we look to to inspire us.
Statues have no power. And are not made to be a god over the Lord or under Him.

As I Catholic I understand who Jesus is. With Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the King! Amen.
---paul on 9/8/08


Atheist: "Faith simply means that no matter what you believe something without evidence."

Perhaps that's why you are an atheist. Because what you discribe is "blind" faith, not the faith of the Bible. Yours is the kind of blind faith that believes that life can come from non-living material when science has soundly proven that it cannot. You believe in the miracle of nothing exploding into everything in one Big Bang, when your own common sense denies it.

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

What a pity you've never experienced the substance and evidence of true faith!
---jerry6593 on 9/6/08


Lawrence:-I take it this post is to produce an audience.Sorry what you say here is regurgitated Hash.Unworthy of the trash to bury it.But you may try.God is your judge Not me or man.
---MIC on 9/4/08


It's All part of catholocism's idol worship.
Just like the graven images,prayer-beads & the such like,that they partake of which is man-made religiouse org. It seems like they esteem Mary the mother of Jesus higher than The Lord Himself. For as such Is an Abomination to Almighty God & God has Nothing to do with such. So many good people But So blind.
---Lawrence on 9/4/08


Rebecca D:-while this may be true will you be around to see this great event you may or will have passed on and missed it all.Everyone will be accountable to Him Our creator make sureYou are in HIS FLOCK that is the tip of the Iceberg.no suppositions :SEEK and you will Find.Do not surmise suppose "If you love me keep my Commandments"
---MIC on 9/3/08


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Athiest:- I am not the authority >Your life is in your/HIS Hands, based on your genuine heartfelt contritition.HE is YOUR God not the otherway around .Seek to Love and serve Him.If you dontwant to seek your own hot bed for all Eternity never to see His Face.NEVER.
---MIC on 9/3/08


I believe there is a ONE true God. Everyone believes in something or someone. People believe that statues are their god, people believe that the spirits are their god and yet there are people who are so full of greed that their money is their god. Someone once told me that it doesn't matter what they believe in now, because when Christ comes back, Every knee shall bow down and and every tongue shall confess to God that he is God. Romans 14:11. Atheist: We can not beat it in your head to make you believe in our God. It has to come from your heart, your mind. And until you do that, you will believe in an unknown god that can't help you. Until you come to the truth, we are just talking in the wind.
---Rebecca_D on 9/3/08


Atheist, everyone believes in God (they are lying when they say they don't) what they don't believe in is submitting to His Word. They reject a free ticket to Heaven. I would have to be you to know exactly what you think you get out of your atheistic beliefs. You do not even get the chance to sin without repercussions because all sin has consequences, and atheists have consciences, as I have found out from listening to them. You go to Hell only for rejecting Jesus's sacrifice on Calvary.
---frances008 on 9/2/08


MIC,

Is that you way of saying that I am going to Hell because I don't believe in your God?
---atheist on 9/2/08


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Atheists are allowed to say whatsoever they please b/c their destination is booked FOC one way with no return.Have a wonderful day or stay.
---MIC on 9/2/08


rcc led by another spirit has wrapped Christ up in pagan beliefs ...because they submit their minds and wills to a human flesh and blood man they have no spiritual discernment from The Father ...by deleting 2nd commandment falling further into idolatrous practices their subjects are blinded in bondage to men serving "her" the church ...no surprise Mary is center of their beliefs ....Mary whom is noted but a dozen or so verses in all of OT has risen to such dominance in "her" ...all the while professing Christ on their lips

look at the pictures depicting Christ in rcc ...always a helpless baby in Marys arms ...it's so disturbing to see how the bondage of mind control leaves one lost
---Rhonda on 9/2/08


MIC.

Believing that Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus is a belief not a fact that is provable.

You believe what you want to believe. We all do.

Why is it so important to you that Mary was a virgin? Would Christ not still be Christ?
---atheist on 9/1/08


Athiest :"The Blind cannot lead the blind."and your questions surmises and lack of Faith gives proof of these Facts . Hence it must be concurred your questions asked, are NOT to seek, but disclaim facts already conceeded by 98% on this Forum.
---MIC on 9/1/08


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Nicole,

Faith simply means that no matter what you believe something without evidence.

I have faith that if everyone on earth lived by the golden rule the world would be a much better place. I believe that if everyone lived by this rule unhypocritically maybe we would have "Heaven on earth."

You have a right to believe anything you chose to believe.

But at some point everyone must examine their beliefs and determine if they are rational. I could have faith that god is a giant teapot and that when I die, if I am good, I will spend the rest of eternity in his parlor, chatting with the ones I love, drinking "God's tea".

You believe what you believe. We all do.
---atheist on 9/1/08


Instead of worship Christ, they idolize Mary.
---Eloy on 9/1/08


Nicole: "The 3rd Person of the Holy Spirit overshadow her and placed Jesus in her womb using Mary's DNA."

And you know this how? Is DNA mentioned in the Bible?

How do you know she didn't get pregnant the regular way?
---atheist on 8/30/08


Sorry atheist, but I know this because of Faith.

It is you who needs to know by DNA who is Jesus. I have faith.

Because you refuse faith, do I have to reject it as well?

Who started this rule?
---Nicole on 8/31/08


Nicole: "The 3rd Person of the Holy Spirit overshadow her and placed Jesus in her womb using Mary's DNA."

And you know this how? Is DNA mentioned in the Bible?

How do you know she didn't get pregnant the regular way?
---atheist on 8/30/08


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How did Mary give birth to Jesus, if she was a virgin?
---atheist on 8/29/08

The 3rd Person of the Holy Spirit overshadow her and placed Jesus in her womb using Mary's DNA.
---Nicole on 8/29/08


MIC I couldnt agree with you more. Lot's of people are so focused on what others are doing seems some but not all maybe losing site of their own journey and what is really important. Loving your brothers and sisters in the faith and journey in following Christ without judgment. How you judge others so shall you be judged the same- is the saying. I will continue to pray for one day all believers in Christ can come together without judgment and work together to help build a greater kingdom of God through all things which are of God LOVE, FAITH, FORGIVENESS, and PEACE..ETC..
---Michele333 on 8/29/08


How did Mary give birth to Jesus, if she was a virgin?
---atheist on 8/29/08


---Paul, Nicole is wrong!!! Just as the Catholic Church is wrong about many things.
Here's a little quote from Galatians 1:19
"But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother."
---mima on 8/28/08


Mima in the Gospel of Matthew chapter 10:2 it names the other apostles " James the son of Zebedee, James the son of Alphaeus," Which James is Paul talking about?
---Ruben on 8/29/08


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Really why is Mary The Mother of Jesus such a source of concern to Christians. especially Just a few, who appear to suffer from a complex, they do not ewen Honour Her.It seems to afford them some much amusement.The saying is "Dig for skeletons in your own backyard" or see the the Log in your own eye, before you see the speck in the eye of another..Mary and Joseph Had no other children. If you search the Bible you will find the answer there.I have seen it,You can do the same.
---MIC on 8/29/08


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I think not. Is Mark 6:3 not talking about siblings? Woe to anyone that changes the word of God.
**

the rcc doesn't believe they change anything ...they believe they are "god" ...they took Christ wrapped him up in heathen practices (which God condemned throughout OT) and as they dive deeper into their sins of pagan practices they are completely unaware they worship and serve another spirit

pray for them to be released from bondage
---Rhonda on 8/28/08


Nicole is wrong. The KJV clearly speaks of Jesus's brothers and sisters. Jesus was not especially fond of them and no wonder: they thought he was crazy. So Jesus ended up saying 'Who is my brother and sister?' Clearly only those who accepted Jesus as the Son of God were his true brothers and sisters. From the cross, Jesus was handing his mother over to the Christian family where she would be in safe hands spiritually. Jesus also said at one point, that we must leave our families to follow God. He had done so, and now Mary had to do so.
---frances008 on 8/28/08


The question that must be answered before you debate if Mary had any other children is why is that even important to the RCC. What difference does it make if Mary had other children or remained a virgin? It all has to do with the worship of Mary. She has been elevated to deity. Jesus is the only mediator with God yet the RCC feels He is insufficient so they pray to Mary. They have deified her. Do a study of the RCC and you will find that the belief of her perpetual virginity only came about in the last 400 years. New revelation from God? I think not. Is Mark 6:3 not talking about siblings? Woe to anyone that changes the word of God.
Brooks
---Brooks on 8/28/08


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Mary had relations with Joseph after the birth of Yeshua. The Gospels clearly state that she didnt know her husband until after the birth. I do not know for sure about having children, but she did have relations with her husband. This doctrine has nothing to do with salvation anyway. Does it matter if she remained a virgin after the birth? If she did or not doesnt change who and how special Mary was, is, and will always be.
---wayne on 8/28/08


Mima, Jesus is obedient and perfect in following the Law.
Why are the brothers punishing their Mother because Jesus claimed to be a Messiah?

Matthew 15:3-7 "For God said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and 'Whoever curses father or mother shall die.' But you say, "Whoever says to father or mother, "Any support you might have had from me is dedicated to God," need not honor his father.' You have nullified the Word of God for the sake of your tradition. Hypocrites,...

Are you saying Jesus is a Hypocrite?

Galatians 1:19 He is speaking about James the Apostle.
Go back to the Gospels. Matthew 20:20
Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee approached Him.

What?
Mary had a 2nd husband?
---Nicole on 8/28/08


---Paul, Nicole is wrong!!! Just as the Catholic Church is wrong about many things.
Here's a little quote from Galatians 1:19
"But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother." Another mistake by Paul I suppose. Perhaps we can not prevent what we have been taught from childhood, but it is certain we can investigate it.
At least one of the reasons Jesus turned his mother over to John was that his family his immediate family his brothers and sisters did not believe he was the Messiah. However I have always believed it was because John was very young and very loved by Jesus.
---mima on 8/28/08


Brothers~ a term frequently used to describe friends, cousins and neighbors back in the day of Jesus.

And the question is why is it so important to those on this site say "The Blessed Mother must have had other children?"

Is it so hard to believe that Christ the Lord's mother was made for one mission alone? To give birth to your Lord and Savior?

Nicole is right.
Jesus said ' woman behold your son...to the disciple alone...cause she had no sons of her own other the Jesus. And Jesus wanted His Only Mother to be cared for by someone.

Wake up people!
---paul on 8/27/08


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when the Bible clearly states Joseph and Mary had children and that Joseph had sexual relationships with Mary?

Because we are sick of people lying on the Holy Book the Bible.

The Bible clearly states Mary didn't have any chilren after Jesus.
If so, why did Jesus gave His mother to a Disciple not Mary's son. John 19:26-28

Why didn't His brothers claim Mary. Just one.
Remember they all thought Jesus was dead and not returning.

James and John have another mother also named Mary. And I thought Jesus' father was a carpentner not a fisherman.
James and John are the sons of Zebedee Matthew 4:18-22.

So clearly you are wrong.

Just read the Bible.
Don't rewrite the Bible.
---Nicole on 8/19/08


....Alan<>Ask yourself the same question in reverse?Does it benefit YOU?
---MIC on 8/19/08


People believe mans tradition because it got taught to them & easier to believe. In the last days more people will stray from the truth just to hear what sounds good.
---Candice on 8/19/08


(Since the Church has never taught that the Holy Spirit was the physical father of Jesus, unlike the pagan versions of divine paternity, for example, Zeus's seductions, Mary would not have been committing adultery with Joseph.) Nonetheless, the Church has always taught the Mary remained a virgin as evident in its earliest traditions.
---John on 10/25/07


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Additionally, Mary was neither "owned" by her father nor by her husband (as is the case in a patriarchy), but she solely belonged to God (cf 1 Cor. 7:25-35). She did not "check in" with the men in her life before saying "Yes" to God. That is quite a statement to be made in the first century!
---John on 10/25/07


Lastly (and what I have written is no way exhaustive), the Church understands the significance of one's calling by God.
---John on 10/25/07


Mary was set apart, thus, was holy, to be the Mother of God. The Church, therefore, affirms and upholds unequivocally this calling in asserting the perpetual virginity of Mary.
---John on 10/25/07


Alan of Uk:: I knew it wasn't you that is why I did not take the bait,& useless discussion.People will believe what they must& want to, Not the truth which is always available.The time will come & like Eve will say The snake decieved me.A cop out because the truth was available all along.Believe it YOU DONT NEED PROOF.
---Emcee on 7/7/07


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Sorry ... I have just woken up and realised that it was "Alan" who asked the original question for this blog!
But that was not me.
---alan_of_UK on 7/7/07


Marcia, you are going on your own reasoning. That's not what the Bible says. I used to be Catholic and I understand where you are at. The only motivation for being close to God is JESUS CHRIST, not Mary. Why not find out for yourself?
---John on 7/6/07


George, I presented this before - James and Joses are the sons of Mary the sister in law of Mary the mother of Jesus, and Judas is directly related to James and Joses:
Matthew 13:55 and Mark 6:3 list these for as brethren of Christ, but not sons of His mother Mary. This is important because we see their names again:
James the brother of the Lord is the son of Alphaeus not Joseph See Matthew 10:2, Mark 3:18, Luke 6:15 and Acts 1:13. Jude 1.1 and Acts 1:13 show that Judas is also related to James.
---lorra8574 on 7/6/07


George P2: John 19:25 shows us that we have three Marys - the Mother of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and Mary's sister (probably sister in law) also named Mary, wife of Cleophas.
Now look at: Matthew 27:61 and Mark 15:47; and Matthew 28:1 and Mark 16:1.
The Mary that is with Mary Magdalene in these situations is the mother of James the Less and Joses, but, if she is also the mother of Jesus, then why does Matthew identify her only as "the other Mary".
---lorra8574 on 7/6/07


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George P3: There were three Marys at the foot of the cross - only the sister in law would be insignificant enough to be identified as "the other Mary". If a mother were going to her son's grave, she would not be listed as the "other" woman. Nor would she have left her son's side at any time during the crucifixion, and yet a Mary who is identified as the mother of James and Joses is standing off with Mary Magdalene before approaching.
---lorra8574 on 7/6/07


George P4: James is listed first in the list of brothers, and is a principle player throughout, yet his father is not Joseph so right there we have proof that Joseph did not father any more children with Mary.

Mary the sister being the wife of Cleophas does not mean that she would not also have been married at one time to a man named Alphaeus.
---lorra8574 on 7/6/07


George P5: The biggest proof, however, is that at the foot of the Cross when Jesus gives his mother into the care of John who we know is not a brother of Jesus. It is a son's obligation to look after his mother, Jesus supported this in Matthew 15:3-6. James the so-called brother remained faithful to Christ and later became bishop of Jerusalem, and yet Jesus felt the need to provide for his own mother after his death (John 19:26-27) - "it" was not finished until he did this - John 19:28.
---lorra8574 on 7/6/07


George P6 (I think): The Greek word for brothers is "adelphos" is does not refer only to brother but also includes cousins, this is consistent with limitations of the Hebrew and Aramaic language which was used originally. In the early Church, Mary's perpetual virginity was not a strange thing because she had already announced her intention to remain a virgin in Luke 1:34 - the angel had not said that she was already pregnant, but that she would become pregnant.
---lorra8574 on 7/6/07


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George P7: Since she was betrothed, this should not have been a big deal unless her betrothal was to a man who was respectful of her prior vow of virginity. This was something that was done during this era and it makes sense that Mary was a concecrated virgin, otherwise the Holy Spirit would have been an adulterer making a child in another man's wife.
---lorra8574 on 7/6/07


Lorra "Yet Protestants insist that Mary did not put Jesus first but instead opted to have a family filled with children as if Jesus were nothing special."
I commented on this statement made by you in another blog. One problem with this is the false assumption that one cannot be married with children and put Jesus first even to the point of seeing Jesus as nothing special. If this premise were true, then all married with children would be in violation of the 1st commandment.
---Christina on 7/6/07


cont...
Lorra "Yet Protestants insist that Mary did not put Jesus first but instead opted to have a family filled with children as if Jesus were nothing special."

Also, most here are not saying Mary did not put Jesus first, just that she should not be idolized. Big difference.
---Christina on 7/6/07


David::The reason you see the hatred for Rcc,is because it is a Prophetic truth.Gen3:15 The separation or enmity spoken is by those who choose to be of His seed & they are mainly those who have apostated.Those of her seed keep explaining.this will continue till the head meets the heel of Her who is & was the Mother of the Babe. AMEN
---Emcee on 7/6/07


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MosquitoBuzz #1 "Alan, God doesn't change, God doesn't move, why have you?" I have no idea what you are talking about.
Ruben indicated I had asked "Why is it so important for Roman Catholics to believe Mary remained a virgin after the birth of Christ when the Bible clearly states Joseph and Mary had children and that Joseph had sexual relationships with Mary?"
---alan_of_UK on 7/6/07


MosquitoBuzz #2 I would never have asked that question.
My position over the years here has been that there is no biblical proof either way, but that it is likely that Mary, married to Joseph. would have a normal married life with him.
It must have been some other Alan
---alan_of_UK on 7/6/07


Lorra, you ask me "Alan, why do Protestants insist that Mary had other children when the Bible clearly states no such thing?"
Don't ask me that Lorra. I am a Protestant and have never insisted that, although I think it likely.
Sadly Lorra you are starting to show hostility to anyone who does not believe exactly the same as you.
Beware of that ... there are enough of them on the other side.
---alan_of_UK on 7/6/07


The bible is not clear on whether or not these men were actually Jesus' blood brothers or not. It is also mentioned that Jesus called his disciples his brethren. Mt 12:49, 25:40, Jn 7:1-3, Acts 1:13-15, Heb 2:11-12. But we do know that Joesph and Mary had sexual relations after Jesus was born. Mt 1:25. But to argue over who is right and who is wrong, is crazy and it makes no difference.
---Rebecca_D on 7/6/07


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Mary as a Virgin represents purity and holiness and becuase she was highly favored Catholic connect this with Mary being Pure and Holy, She was a pure temple for the Son of God to be placed until his birth. The Catholics are so in aw of the Virgin Birth that it strengthen their faith in Gods true Character of Holiness. They remember Mary because she was favored of God the Same way many remember Abraham or Elijah. They are a testimony to Gods Character.
---Marcia on 7/6/07


Alan, God doesn't change, God doesn't move, why have you?
---MosquitoBuzz on 7/6/07


former Catholic, God bless you for telling the truth. I'm a former Catholic too, and I know that we don't hate Catholics, just the perverted religion. Catholics are lied to, and brainwashed into believing these Catholic lies. I no longer wanted to be part of a Church that has so much idolatry. I am thankful to God for Mary, but why this fasination with her verginity?
---Mary on 7/6/07


Lorra, please show us in the Bible where it says that Jesus had no brothers or sisters but instead were Jesus's cousins. No true Christian believes this. Your inventing fairytales.
---George on 7/6/07


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David - Do you understand the RCC? Do you see how evil it is? There are a few here who do. I hope you are one of them.
---Helen_5378 on 7/6/07


Lorra8574, JESUS CHRIST (YAHUSHUA HA MASHIACH) was ALREADY Special in and of Himself and did not need for Mary to remain a perpetual virgin to "devote" her life to CHRIST. The LORD GOD (YAHUVEH) blessed Mary with a husband (Joseph) and with a blessed sexual life with Joseph. And, GOD blessed her with more children. Children were a GREAT blessing to the Jewish people at that time. She devoted her life to JESUS by raising Him in a Godly way and by believing His Words.
---Gordon on 7/6/07


Mary the mother of Jesus devoted her whole life to Him (her choice), and the so-called brethren of the Lord in the Bible are shown to have other parents, the mother is Mary's sister in law also named Mary, and therefore the brethren are first cousins to Jesus. Yet Protestants insist that Mary did not put Jesus first but instead opted to have a family filled with children as if Jesus were nothing special. Why is that?
---lorra8574 on 7/5/07


Why, I've never seen such hatred for the RCC.
---David on 7/5/07


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Mary did not remain a virgin, after the birth of Jesus. The Bible is clear on this because Jesus had brothers and sisters.
With that said, even if she remained a virgin (which she didn't) what's the point? Our focus is on Christ. Do you SEE what the devil has done to Catholic's? He put's the emphasis on others, so he can take away some glory from God. After 2000 years, you didn't think the devil is sleeping did you? We are the ones caught sleeping, and we all better wake up. Christ is the door.
---former_Catholic on 7/5/07


Alan, why do Protestants insist that Mary had other children when the Bible clearly states no such thing? There is not ONE mention of Mary the mother of Jesus having any other children. There is only mention of Jesus having "brethren" (adelphos) which also includes cousins. ... cont'
---lorra8574 on 7/5/07


P2: And given that the first three cousins listed, James, Joses and Judas, are shown to be first cousins to Jesus by virtue of having different parents on both sides (James and Joses are the sons of Mary the sister in law of Mary the mother of Jesus), it seems highly unlikely that at 30 years of age, Mary was going to give Jesus any brothers or sisters after that.
---lorra8574 on 7/5/07


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