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Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. ---Trav on 10/6/09

With your misuse of scripture, I can picture you as a slave owner back when it was "legal".
Seldom do I question the Christianity of the people on this site, but with you, I make an exception.
---NurseRobert on 10/6/09


Trav ... have yuo forgotten Jesus' definition of "neighbour" ... it was nothing to do with geography.
---alan8566_of_uk on 10/6/09


Trav, its not YOUR country, its OUR country. ..., maybe you should spend some time researching what Blink is saying.
---NurseRobert on 10/6/09
Ha. Blink beats a dead horse. Christians don't ride dead horses. His and your facts are found blink-ered scripturally.
Country belongs to those who honors the one it was given by.....GOD.
We've messed around with our blessings all right, allowing the deviates to deviate the course. I'm willing to call a deviate what he/she is as I've done with you in the past.
GOD help us when we call...it will be done again.
---Trav on 10/6/09


As a Christian Native American, I would like to know where the Bible says this?

justifying the the savage acts of europeans that would have starved ..
Their land stolen from them and murdered.
None of that was of God.
---miche3754 on 10/6/09

Well little bible studying sister. The trade off was knowledge of Christ.
Psalm 2:8
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

1. This nation was divided up of over 243 Indian tribes. Who preyed upon one another about like Christian churches do today.
2. The fact that you are a Christian...attribute to some Christian heart a hundred years ago.
---Trav on 10/6/09


Statisically you are a non-American whiner.
If you reside here now. Leave my country you detest. We will take up a donation and send you somehow...again. Go live with Ishmaels boys.

Whine to your country of origin to settle the differences, Mexico land of dictatorship blessings on the La Raza.
---Trav on 10/6/09

What an amazing Christ-like rant....

Trav, its not YOUR country, its OUR country. Instead of acting like a child, maybe you should spend some time researching what Blink is saying.
---NurseRobert on 10/6/09




This land was given fulfilling a promise by GOD to a Christian people. Found in scripture why it was given, why it prospered. Over seventy covenanted marks.
Trav

As a Christian Native American, I would like to know where the Bible says this?
And further more, where do you get off justifying the the savage acts of europeans that would have starved if it had not been for my people being here to show them how to farm the land, what to eat and not to eat, what kind of critters were good for food. And what did they get for it? Their land stolen from them and murdered.
Don't try to cover up something that atrocious with a false made up prophecy. None of that was of God.
---miche3754 on 10/6/09


Statistically, the majority of terrorism is USA terrorism.
---Blink on 10/6/09
Statisically you are a non-American whiner.
If you reside here now. Leave my country you detest. We will take up a donation and send you somehow...again. Go live with Ishmaels boys.
Gen 16:11.....call his name Ishmael, because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
12. And he will be a wild man, his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him, and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Whine to your country of origin to settle the differences, Mexico land of dictatorship blessings on the La Raza.
---Trav on 10/6/09


In 1980, USA trained Bin laden and fellow terrorists through CIA and gives them $3 billion, in betwen 2000-01: US gives Taliban ruled Afghanistan $245 million in aid, Sep11 2001 Bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3000 people. American cry for every soldier they carry back home dead, which is nothing compare to study by John Hopkins School of Public Health where the dead caused by Bush and Blair invasion equal to a million people. Iraq is a country that never even attached America, there wasnt one terrorist in 9/11 from Iraq. 15 of the 19 were from the Saudi Arabia. The whole understanding of terroism is upside down, it is not report like it should. Statistically, the majority of terrorism is USA terrorism.
---Blink on 10/6/09


Trav reading about ur message, I doubt you know Jesus one bit as you claim to be. The Jesus I'm talking said, "Love your neighbour". ---Blink on 10/3/09

Well, you are not my "Christian Friend" as the word applies. You are not close,countryman,Christian or near neighbor. You've "stated" for your own. I will too,as Christ did. Jesus also said to sell your garments and buy a sword. Applicable.
Neighbor translates from: play-see'-on
pelas (near), (adverb) close by, as noun, a neighbor, that is, fellow (as man, countryman, Christian or friend): - near, neighbour.
---Trav on 10/5/09


Blink -- I have been on every Continent except Antartica and more countries than I can count. What I have seen is that Americans, even American minorities, have more personal freedoms and rights than any country on earth and a standard of living that is envied around the world.(this includes highly devloped nations, too) Our "slums" are comfortable compared to the slums of Rio De Janeiro or of Cairo or Mumbai. In many countries thousands go without any medical or dental care.

We have not always made the best choices in use of our military or support we have provided others. But most of the time there has been an effort to free some population from oppression. And Quite often it has been successful. I study history, not media.
---Donna66 on 10/4/09




Sure I want to know more, but i m just as surprise that i know more. lol. You need to travel more outside America and understand the ground reality. You got to believe the truth is far from the national filtered media. It is strange you know nothing of the American proxy wars around the world.
---Blink on 10/4/09


Blink--USA: Christian? YES Christ-like? Certainly not always. Are you?

How have I used the name of God in vain?

I've not forgotten history but I don't share your view. In fact, I don't believe you actually KNOW much history.

Just one example,//.From, Reagan to Bush, God was used as an excuse to fund wars just like Hitler, Saddam, Bin Laden.//
In WWII, 1941-1945,(long before Reagan) we FOUGHT, not funded, a war against Hitler. Our allies France, Spain, Italy, England, Ireland Scotland, Australia helped us overthrow his rein of terror. Unfortunately it was too late for MILLIONS of Jews he gassed, shot and starved. We didn't, and don't, need an excuse. We kept ourselves and Europe free.

Want to hear more?
---Donna66 on 10/4/09


Al -- You don't sound like an American. Where did you get your information?
---Donna66 on 10/4/09


Very good Donna66
---catherine on 10/4/09


USA not very Christ-like in its treatment of coloureds or native indians. Are there homeless on the streets or families living in poverty? Is healthcare denied to the poor? Not Christ-like in dealing with gays - in fact Anti-Christ-like if righteousness comes by the law then Christ is dead in vain - galatians 2:21

the world will know that you are My disciples in that you love one another

USA Christian - not in a million years
---al on 10/4/09


Donna you are forgetting alot of America history. The American have sponsored many poxy wars all over the globe, including (but not limited to) Laos, Cambodia, Congo, Angola, Mozambique, Ethiopia, Iran, Nicaragua, Granada, Libya, Cuba, Afghanistan, PKK, taliban. They funded, train, employed terrorist, built alliances with Islamists terroist in Indonesia, Egypt, and Pakistan. The rise of Hamas was quietly welcomed as a distraction for the secular PLO.From, Reagan to Bush, God was used as an excuse to fund wars just like Hitler, Saddam, Bin Laden, etc. The growth of opium was encourage by the CIA to fund wars. Even today, the list of such conflicts waged by US proxies is pretty long. Stop using God's name in vain and respect.
---Blink on 10/3/09


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catherine -- Yes, and after the first winter Bradford discovered that "socialism" (tho they didn't call it that) doesn't work. The idea seemed "Christian"...from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
But what ACTUALLY happened was resentment between older vs. young workers, physically weak vs. physically strong, the novice vs the experienced. Women resented the burden of caring for others' family members. Half the people starved.

The next winter Bradford gave every family land for which they alone would be responsible. They survived that winter quite well.

Their harsh religion is often criticized today. But their work ethic produced a remarkably prosperous USA for years to come.
---Donna66 on 10/3/09


Blink-- The Jesus I know is no patsy. He chased the money changers out of the temple with whips. I don't know how much patience He would have with those who train children to be suicide bombers.
---Donna66 on 10/3/09


We sure have gone down since George Washington's days! And God is not laughing, not at all, my friends! Benjamin Franklin addressing the Constitutional Convention. "How has it happened, sir, we have not hitherto once thought of humbly appealing to the Father of lights to illuminate our understandings? In the beginning of the contest with great Btitain, when were sensible to danger. WE HAD DAILY PRAYERS in this room for divine protection. Our prayers, sir, were heard and they were graciously answered...I have lived, sir, a long time and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth". Aman. Blog 1.
---catherine on 10/3/09


William Bradford, Governor of the pilgrims..."But these things did not dismay them...for their desires were set on the ways of God, and to enjoy His ordinances, but they rested on His providence and knew whom they had believed"... And that is what is important, folks. Blog 3
---catherine on 10/3/09


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Trav reading about ur message, I doubt you know Jesus one bit as you claim to be. The Jesus I'm talking said, "Love your neighbour". He sat with the tax collector. He didnt teach "tit for tat". I cant imagine a Christian person doing that especially gloryfying war, it is shame to our Saviour.
---Blink on 10/3/09


Unnecessity of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as the US government had already known that the Japanese were considering surrender beforehand.
---Blink on 9/29/09
So what. They were GOD-less terrorist's then and still are.
You are looking to justify your racial whipping boys to give you excuses. These individual leaders stand on their own. When collective peoples such as Is-ra-el were collectively tolerant/participants of evil....they collectively were punished and independantly. Still there were rare individuals that stood for GOD. GOD doesn't have tolerance for GODless tyranny's. Including yours. They lose...we win.
---Trav on 10/2/09


Blink -- who is Howard Zinn?
He is quite wrong about the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as the US acted upon the Japanese continuing to say they would not surrender, EVER!
---Donna66 on 10/2/09


How was America founded? Read, "A People's History of the USA", by Howard Zinn[1980]. Covers Natives, the genocide, slavery committed by the crew of Christopher Columbus, and incidents of violent colonization by early settlers.Methods by which racism was artificially created in order to enforce the economic system. The Founding Fathers agitated for war to distract the people from their own economic problems and stop movements. President James Polk agitated for war for expansionism. War to expand its foreign markets and economic influence. Unnecessity of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as the US government had already known that the Japanese were considering surrender beforehand. Keep Reading to know more.
---Blink on 9/29/09


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America was not founded as a Christian nation, it was a land invaded to build an empire .....

It is a sad history. Yeah, i believe there are some good christians amonst the whites who made a difference,....God bless America, God bless Mexican, God bless Latinos.
---Blink on 9/28/09

This land was given fulfilling a promise by GOD to a Christian people. Found in scripture why it was given, why it prospered. Over seventy covenanted marks.

Your Latino heritage and Knowledge of GOD came from source you seem to detest. Spainards were more efficiently cruel towards heathen peoples as any immigrant to America.
You curse the source of your knowledge of blessing and do not realize it.
May GOD bless GOD's people.
---Trav on 9/29/09


Donna, I'm not judging USA as harshly. I agree America was inhabited by people who build churchs and followed all that rituals but that does not make America a christian nation. You know, you cannot be saved just coz you come from a christian country. And if USA was founded as a Christian nation, "Where is that Love" back then for the black, natives etc. Love is the greatest power in Christian life, without it, that faith is vague. You cannot say you are a christian and murder someone. There were some great people like Abraham Lincoln who had to pay the price with their life but many of the one that lived to found USA were fanatics, and USA continue to live in the shadow of their sins till today.
---Blink on 9/29/09


Guess I'd better clarify. "America" is not a nation. The United States is. It was founded largely by Christians and they built many Christian (NOT Buddist, Hindu, or Muslim) churches. They included Christian customs in their culture and their government, celebrated Christian Holidays and built their laws on Judeo- Christian principle and English common law.
(England also being a Christian country)Those are the facts.

You may judge them however you choose.
The norm lately is to judge The US harshly..but that does not mean the nation has not been a Christian nation for most of her history.
---Donna66 on 9/28/09


Blink, history is replete with the national sins but looking at it in terms of whites vs. hispanics or whites vs. native Americans is wrong. There is both glory and shame in every race or tribe hence the need for redemption for our savior.
First I would suggest you read and read again Ephesians 6:12 about powers and principalities.
Second, ask God to take you back to the place where you first became bitter. If you have a willing and humble heart God can heal your bitterness.
---larry on 9/28/09


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America was not founded as a Christian nation, it was a land invaded to build an empire nothing less to the Roman Empire. It was brutal and millions of natives were killed. Yes, lots of these white invaders preached, but their lived like barbarians. They pushed the native to extinction, but thank God they still lived till today, to tell the tales of by gones days. Yes, till today they were oppressed by the whites and the land that belong to these native still considered not theirs. It is a sad history. Yeah, i believe there are some good christians amonst the whites who made a difference, but america was not founded as a christian nation. God bless America, God bless the Mexican, God bless the Latinos.
---Blink on 9/28/09


Donna

I have no interest listing America's "atrocities", they are very well known.

The points is this, those who claim the lofty name of God, individuals or nations, ought to exemplary in speech as well as in conduct.

As a Believer, I cannot claim the great Principles of the Bible and then live as or worse than those who make no such claim. It is dishonest! It is ungodly!
---Janze on 9/28/09


obewan-- Freemasonry is not anti-Christian and some Christians belong even now. Their only requirenent is that one believe in "god".
Washington was both a Christian and a freemason which was very common in that day. The same is true of other of the early founders. If you study them closely, you will see that they saw no contradiction. They practiced their religion in their churches. The "lodge" was, as it is for many today, a means of "networking" among business people and public officials.
---Donna66 on 9/28/09


Most of the "God" in our government is based upon the god(s) of Freemasonry. While it may be argued that many of our founding fathers were Christians, many held to Freemasonist teschings, namely that there are many paths to God. Our country is pluralist when it comes to religion. It could be just as easily be said that it was founded on New Agism (at best). Just look at the symbolism on the back of a 1 dollar bill. Do you see any "Christian" symbols represented by the "image" of God?
---obewan on 9/28/09


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Janze -- I expect you are going to point to all the "atrocities" committed by the United States in its history (some may have deserved this term, most did NOT,and of course there were many worthy, brave and charitable actions taken by the country).

The point is that a "Christian Country" like a "Christian person", is quite capable of missing the mark where Christian goals are concerned. Such flaws do not make them " not Christian".
---Donna66 on 9/27/09


The Puritans came to the New World to freely practice the faith they couldn't in Anglican in England.
What is now Maryland was settled and named by Catholics.
In 1854, the House Judiciary Committee said: "in this age, there is no substitute for Christianity...That was the religion of the founders of the republic, and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.'
1892 the court cited opening prayer in sessions of deliberative bodies, closing of businesses and government offices on the Christian Sabbath, the many charitable causes under Christian auspices and missionary groups aiming to spread Chritianity... to conclude that "this is a Christian nation".
Until the 1040's The US was accepoted as such.
---Donna66 on 9/26/09


Revisionistic historians seem eager to claim of America's christian origins, but it would enlightening if anyone could show or point to any period during which the nation, to any significant degree, practiced what is being claimed in the 21st century.
---Janze on 9/25/09


Holy Scripture declares, Blessed is the nation whose God is Yhwh (Jesus, the Lord). So ask yourself: In America, is Jesus their God?
---Eloy on 9/24/09


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"You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all the religion of Jesus Christ." to a group of Indian chiefs.

George Washington

"It is impossible to rightly govern . . . without God & the Bible."

George Washington

"The greatest glory of the American Revolution was this: It connected in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."

John Q. Adams.

Laus Deo (Praise be to God)
Inscribed on the top east side of the Washington Mounument.

Treaty of Tripoli notwithstanding, a Christian nation is not in its declarations and treaties but in the hearts of men.
---Larry on 9/23/09


At that time, a majority of the people believed that it was founded as a Christian nation. There were some people in secret societies who hoped to control it, but they opposed the true and living lord God in general. The Jews hoped to live in peace.
The Treaty of Tripoli Article 11 compares the 'Christian' U.S. with the antagonistic anti-Muslim 'Christian' Europe. One opinion says that a declared religion was a State, not a Federal, matter.
---Glenn on 9/23/09


World trade center collapsed. Exactly seven years later, world trade collapsed. With a Stock Market point drop of 777.7 points. As per Dean Coombs, Toronto, Canada.
The market close was 9605 on September 11, 2001 and 9-11-09 and 9-10-01.
9605 = 9/11.
9(6+0+5) = 9(11)
Dennis
---Dennis on 9/22/09


The Declartion of Independence mentions " all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" but does not say who he is. It also does NOT mention God (at least not the Judeo-Christian God). Rather, it speaks of "the laws of Nature and Nature's God".

This is a term Jefferson used. He believed in a God, and he thought Jesus was a good teacher, but did NOT believe he was divine, nor did he believe in miracles nor revelations. This makes him a Deist more than a Christian.
---StrongAxe on 8/19/09


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Greyrider is correct as we were founded as a biblical nation (not christian)with faith expressed and OT scripture incscribed on many of our national buildings and monuments. We may not officially a christian nation, but while the Treaty of Tripoli declares our secularism, many of the founding fathers were strong believers in Christ and our heritage without doubt is Judeo-Christian.
Jefferson, after his famous separation of church and state letter, decreed a Wyatt Hymnal and bible be placed in every school desk in Washington. I still know people who think separation of church and state is in the Constitution and don't know Jefferson sought to protect the church from the state not the other way around.
---larry on 8/17/09


Yes. The Declaration of Independence mentions God the Creator. October 11, 1782 a congressional proclamation declared Thanksgiving a day for the nation to give thanks to God for blessings bestowed. There are many more proofs that this nation was founded as a Christian nation.
---Betty on 8/17/09


The USA was most definitely not founded as a Christian nation. Anyone who believes it was needs to explain the wording of the Treaty of Tripoli from 1797 which was written while George Washington was still president but did not go to the Senate for a vote until John Adams was president. It is one of the few things that has ever gone to the Senate and passed by a unanimous vote. Article 11 of the treaty applies to the founding principles of the USA and begins: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."
---Tom on 8/17/09


Friend of ?: What country do you live in? I hope it's not America. If it is, you should leave and go to the socialist or Muslim utopia of your choice. As an American patriot, I find your lies about our country highly offensive!
---jerry6593 on 8/16/08


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The USA was not founded by Christians or as a Christian nation. There are four sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance, they are MURDER..USA leads the world. Second, THE CRY OF THE WIDOW..The USA leads the world in abandoning its widows..Third Sin is SODOMY, USA leads the world in this perversion, and lastly UNJUST WAGES, the USA created the stock market, where the worker no longer has a face and the root of all evil money rules the market. Where profits come ALWAYS before the wage earner or we will exploit unjust labor elsewhere. The USA was founded by protestants by the first protestant himself..SATAN who wanted to democratically elect himself GOD....So what has Satan been up to for the last 250 years?
---Friend_Of_God on 8/14/08


#2) The Founders were radically opposed to Enlightenment ideas. The French Revolution was a very bigoted in its Anti-RCC hatred. The Founders weren't anti-RCC, they simply questioned the loyalty of American Catholics (Pope vs America). Charles Carroll, a devout Catholic, and SIGNER of the Declaration of Independence. He clamed those fears. There are countless sources from the colonial era out there. Watch your sources.
---Greyrider on 11/12/07


#1) I'm noticing a lot of the common myths here. Jefferson was not at the Constitutional Convention. He denied the deity of Christ but said we should follow His teachings. The pre-Albert Pike Masonic Lodge was radically different than today's freemasonary. Washington's writings prove how devout he was. "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" is a phrase originated by Thomas Aquinas' writings about the Book of Romans.
---Greyrider on 11/12/07


"Christian Nation" is actually the wrong term. America was founded as a "Biblical Nation" as most of the principles involved came from the Old Testament, not the New Testament. The book most quoted by the founding fathers during official congressional meetings, especially the Constitutional Convention was the book of Deuteronomy.
---Greyrider on 11/12/07


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Although terms like "God" and "creator" are used, that does not necessarily mean "Christian." Many Masonic-like ideals were present in the founding of the United States, especially the concept of freedom of worship. This country was founded on the ideal that each individual is free to believe what they will about God (or even if God exists). The Constitution specifically states that the government will not specifically favor one religion, which includes Christianity.
---Michael on 11/9/07


Actually Jack, there is certain evidence that George Washington was a Master Mason (3rd degree), although he was not a 32nd degree mason (you are partially correct in that Scottish Rite masonry had not fully developed by the time he took office.
---Michael on 11/9/07


I'm a quaker and I will say that YES quakers were very fundamental in the formation of this nation. But no it was not formed as a Christian nation, but a nation that is to be free of religious persecution. Meaning that all traditions of faith have equal rights to worship without the government getting involved. A lot of the early settlers came from england and other countries to escape from persecution.
---Jared on 5/2/07


I believe they were and them who landed at Plymouth rock were all believers..didnt they find a place to live with food all ready as if someone had been living there? God provided for the ancestors then come down to our days today, sad to say, America has left her first love...and wandered off into Babylon..Yes, Usa was founded as a Christian nation then. Am I right you guys in the USA? I do read history...
---jana on 5/2/07


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We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are CREATED EQUAL THAT THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR with certain inalienable rights. Yes absolutely
---tom2 on 4/22/07


Steve...Greatness=Blessed? To be great among men is to be blessed by God? If we follow this formula than every great man in history must have been blessed by God.
---Ryan on 7/18/06


The U.S. was born with the blessings of God no matter whom he put in as our leaders. What country in the history of the world became so great within a very short period of time? But because of our arrogance, we became a wicked nation. We are protected because we are the only nation on Earth to continue to back Israel. Once we sever ties with Israel, God forbid, will God no longer protect us. Pray for our leaders.
---Steve on 7/17/06


Give that man $500 and a funny hat Alex!
Congrats NR, Nixon it is!
(I am not a crook!)
---Steve on 7/17/06


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Something else to remember. Nowhere in the Constitution is God or Religion mentioned, except for the 1st Amendment, where it was stated, in part, that the Goverment cannot sponsor a religion.

The "endowed by our creator" is in the Declaration of Independence.
---NurseRobert on 7/17/06


Mike.... Who was Richard Nixon?
---NurseRobert on 7/17/06


Interesting thing about this statement that America is a Christian country. People that defend this use the saying "...We are endowed by our CREATOR..." and that is their proof. How did the word creator become the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Different religions have differnet views on who the creator is. Now if it read "...We are endowed by the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob..." than I would believe they were attempting to form a Christian nation on earth.
---Ryan on 7/13/06


exzucuh--Actually, Jefferson did NOT believe in the Virgin Birth (which he said was as absurd as the birth of Minerva) or the Resurrection. He did NOT believe as most of the people on these blogs do.

He simply looked upon Jesus as a "great moral teacher."

His Jefferson Bible (which you can find on line) is his edited version with all the "inauthentic material"--meaning miracles--cut out.
---Jack on 6/13/06


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Actually, there is no evidence that Washington went higher than first degree--Entered Apprentice.

The Scottish Rite with its 32 degrees hadn't really been invented yet.
---Jack on 6/13/06


William Penns father was given a massive land grant in the colonies by the King, and of course a state is named after him. They were passive, industrious, and non-offensive. They had no organs at their meetings seeing them as vain, "the devils bagpipes." I know of only ONE bad Quaker, he was a president.(Alex, past presidents religions for $500) Quakers are called that as it is believed at church service the men would 'quake' with the spirit. The women it seemed were left out of the process.
---MikeM on 6/12/06


I thought that The Quakers that went to America were fundamental in USA being a Christian nation. Does anyone know about this please?
---Helen_5378 on 6/11/06


For once I agree with Mr. Exzucuh, deist Jefferson. Most of the founders were deist. They supported religion, but saw no use for organized religion-of the time. America was founded on enlightenment ideas, which was rabidly anti-RCC, and critical of all Christianity. John Locke had a great influence on the Founders. Locke said catholics were, "agants of a forign power in England." He called protestant clergy "a useless indolent class of less value than bedpan cleaners."
---MikeM on 6/11/06


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Washington was a freemason. Some try to say he was not active, but to become a 32degree high mason he had to be. His first inaguration was basically a masonic ritual. He used masonic terms in his speeches. His tomb is covered with the classic masonic symbol, as is the monument.and masonic symbols are found all over the city, and on every monument in the city without exception. The city of Washington is laid out on a masonic grid.
---MikeM on 6/11/06


Thomas Jefferson claimed to be a Christian and as far as I can tell from his writtings he believed the same things many of you are saying in these blogs. He did not believe the bible was translated right he did not believe in pentecostalism he believed every man had the right to believe what ever he wanted and made the separation O.C.& S. to assure it.
---exzucuh on 6/11/06


The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814
---exzucuh on 6/11/06


Washington was not all that devout. He would make a great deal of walking out of the church when the Communion service started, to the great sorrow of Martha, his wife.
---Jack on 6/11/06


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The supreme court, along with both houses start their sessions and have for along time with a prayer of guidance from GOD. not nature, not the knights templer, or free masons . but GOD.in god we trust . to me and other believers means God not nature George washington by his own letters was a devote believer, as were many others in power.there was a whole lot of God involved. why? cause I believe what GOD says in his word.so did men like abraham lincoln.
---tom2 on 6/10/06


Tom2; The decleration was 'composed' by Jefferson, very much a Deist, he said Jesus was 'the great philosopher.' The terms 'natures God' are based in John Locke and other 'heretics' of the time. The constitutions signs were two thirds masons, that is a fact. Jefferson and Paine wrote scathing papers about the religions of the time, refering to ordained clergy as 'parasites' and as being an 'indolent class, as useless as the monarchy.'
---MikeM on 6/10/06


And what about the fact that more than 70 percent of the signers were ordained ministers???? sounds like jefferson may have been the first scientology person. Thing is to me and to the ministers that signed the declaration ,the vast majority whom were christian ministers , Creator means GOD. not natures god,.
---tom2 on 6/10/06


This nation was founded to bring glory to the Lord they were all Bible believers were not Satan worshippers as some say. No place in constitution does it say church and state should be apart. The money says in God we trust not something else so please stop listening to those who want to rewrite history leaving God out.

Leo
---Leo on 6/10/06


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The "Creator/Nature's God" that Jefferson believed in and invoked in the Declaration is NOT the God of Christianity, as can be seen in many of his writings.
---Jack on 6/10/06


" THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR" That is a Masonic term. Americas founders were freemasons and deist and greatly influenced by the philosophy of deism. Secular humanism 'had not formed yet.' Interesting; Washingtons first inaguration was a 'masonic ritual.' Washington D.C. is built on a masonic grid. Rent the film "American treasure"-It scans the surface, but is entertaining.
---MikeM on 6/10/06


It depends on what you mean by "Christian nation."

Conservative Bible believers at the time of the Revolution were Royalists. The ideas of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution are rooted in the Enlightenment (secular humanism as it's called today).

Christianity in any form is not the official religion of the United States of America, yet it is the religion of the biggest majority.
---Jack on 6/9/06


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