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What do you consider the biggest apostate doctrines being taught within the Body of Christ today?

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//Jesus Christ didn't teach hellfire.// David

Mar 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: (That is Jesus talking.)

So, why read your post when people can read the Bible.

Sins of fathers...Exo 20:5, Exo 34:7, Num 14:18, Deu 5:9.
---aka.joseph on 7/21/10


\\"The devil took Him [Christ] to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, and he said to Him, "All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me." Mat 4:8, 9

What kind of 'temptation' would this be if the 'kingdoms' weren't Satan's to give?\\

The Devil is a liar and always has been. Why wouldn't he try to lie to Jesus?

**"Now is the judgment of this world, now will the ruler of this world be cast out. John 12:31 ESV**

And Jesus said afterwards, "ALL POWER is given to Me in heaven AND on earth."

What part of the ALL POWER given to Jesus leaves anything behind for Satan?
---Cluny on 7/21/10


If Jesus never taught Hellfire what is the parable of the rich man and Lazurus all about?
---richard on 7/21/10


What a strange understanding of God akajoseph has.

It's okay to believe God will send someone, even a bad boy or girl, to 'burn in a fire' for the rest of eternity, but finds it detestable for someone to 'burn in a fire'. What a crazy mixed up belief that is!

I'm not the one who chops verses around. What does Jeremiah 7:31 show as being detestable and not in God's heart?

ANS: to "burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart."

Hellfire isn't mentioned, but it certainly gives us a jolly good idea as to God's feelings about 'burning people in a fire'.

Jesus Christ didn't teach hellfire. See my post- 7/9/10.
---David8318 on 7/21/10


'Are sons to be punished for the sins of their fathers'? That's the issue in Ezekiel 18.

"No", is the answer. Why? Because everyone has inherited sin from Adam- 'In Adam, all are dying'- 1 Cor.15:22. So everyone (Father or Son) is on a 'level playing field'. Thus God states, 'The soul that is sinning, it itself will die'- 18:4.

In Verses 5-18 an Israelite will 'keep living', not because he has an immortal soul, but because of the good he does, even if he has a bad father. One who is 'put to death', suffers this because of the bad he does- not because of inherited sin.

Verses 5-18 doesn't discuss a 'soul' as living or dying. The condition of a 'soul' has already been established in 18:4, repeated in 18:20.
---David8318 on 7/21/10




1. It is not my interpertation of Jer 7:31, it is plain English. David can chop up the context of the verse and mix it how he wants, but it is not about eternal damnation (hellfire) as David presents. In that verse, the parents were burning their children in fire in high places as a sacrifice (probably an archaic form of abortion), which God did not command and which is not in His heart.

2. Hellfire is not mine either. I cannot help that those are the words of Jesus Christ Himself. To many, it is literal. To me, it is a metaphor that represents eternal separation from God. It cannot be classified as hyperbole because eternal separation from the Lord will hurt more than eternal fire...
---aka.joseph on 7/21/10


I disagree with aka joseph on his view of Jeremiah 7:31.

The issue at Jer.7:31 was the practice of "burning their sons and their daughters in the fire". Putting them alive in the fire evidently troubled Jehovah to the 'heart'.

It was the 'burning of them' that Jehovah a "God of love" found detestable. Something he had not commanded, nor had come up into his heart to "burn" anyone alive.

Sacrificing anyone to false gods was detestable. Burning them alive in fire was even more so to Jehovah. It is a grotesque practice, and not something that is in Jehovah's heart, no matter how much aka joseph wants it to be.

So aka joseph, is there an age restriction for those going to your hellfire?
---David8318 on 7/21/10


sorry - You are bound by the Watchtower to not associate with apostates.
---aka.joseph on 7/20/10


"Various people on these blogs do the same thing by saying that Satan is in charge on the earth." Cluny

"The devil took Him [Christ] to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, and he said to Him, "All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me." Mat 4:8, 9

What kind of 'temptation' would this be if the 'kingdoms' weren't Satan's to give?

"Now is the judgment of this world, now will the ruler of this world be cast out. John 12:31 ESV

"...the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me..."John 14:30

"...the whole world lies in the power of the evil one." 1 John 5:19
---scott on 7/20/10


...however

David8318, if you knock on my door late at night, beaten to a pulp and say, "I am David8318, please help me!" My God gives me the freedom to help and I will.

if the situation is reversed, and I say, "I am aka.joseph, please help me!" You are bound by the Watchtower to associate with apostates.

I may not get everything right according to you, but I am sure that I understand the teachings of Jesus Christ and you understand the teachings of the Watchtower.
---aka.joseph on 7/20/10




ooooooooohhhh...personal attack! :~) I LIKE IT!

what is striking is that one can say over and over and over that Jeremiah 7:31 is about Hellfire, when it is clearly about child sacrifice,

and then

ignore the 'but' in Ezekial 18:5 after Ezekiel 18:4.

As Pee-Wee Herman says to Simone in Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, "Everybody's got a big 'but'.

You can say what you want about aka.joseph if you so choose, and people will give you applause.
---aka.joseph on 7/20/10


Honestly whether you are pre trib or not is trivial..there are much greater deceptions at large,.... amongst the "church is Israel" crowd for example.
---richard on 7/20/10


Aka joseph's lack of scriptural comprehension in respect of Ezekiel 18 is striking. Ezekiel is being used to chastise Israel for saying 'sons are paying for the sins of their father'.

Thus, Eze.18 states a scriptural point of fact that applies to 'all souls', good or bad and that is, 'The soul that is sinning, it itself will die'- 18:4. As all descend from Adam, everyone's on a level playing field.

Sons that continue to do bad 'will be put to death'- 18:13. A son that does good, despite his father's badness, will not be put to death- 18:17.

But the reality is restated at 18:20 applicable to 'all souls', good or bad- 'The soul that is sinning, it itself will die.'

Good or bad, a person does not have an immortal soul.
---David8318 on 7/20/10


Biblical Christ is worship in truth and spirit - Christ left EXAMPLES for his followers ...xmas nowhere in Holy Scripture

2Corin 11:4 the OTHER Chris from world ITS traditions and pagan idolatry
---Rhonda on 7/10/10

And the Bible is another, but yet you have one, why?

Other than John in revelation, Jesus never told the Apostles to write everything down and make it a authoritative book.

Passage 2 Thessalonians 2:15:

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
---Ruben on 7/20/10


Satan claiming God is not capable of conquering Death.

His Word became Flesh-died and Rose from the Dead.
Satan can not have anyone believe this.

God proved His Word is truth by facing and conquering death itself.
Death has no hold on him-The Word that became flesh-died and Rose from the dead.
Why?
because The Word of God is final.
God can not die-which is why Christ has risen.

Gen 3:15
---char on 7/20/10


The biggest apostate doctrine today without a doubt is: PRITRIBULATION RAPTURE.
---John on 7/20/10


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I agree with you Lawrence,God puts a hook in the jaws of Leviathon...God changes times and seasons,and He works all things to his own purposes.
---richard on 7/19/10


Eph.2 v 2, the devil is the prince & the power of the air. God has him on a leash & lets him do so much.
---Lawrence on 7/15/10


Jesus is sitting on the right hand of God..when His foot touches the earth,the millenium begins....meanwhile we on the earth are moving towards the Antichrist and Armegeddon...this world system is controlled by satan,we have got authority by the blood and a mandate to wage spiritual warfare but we dont have automatic dominion restored yet.So satan is a defeated foe but his defeat has not yet been fully enforced...the battle for mens souls rages as strong as in all history.
---richard on 7/15/10


\\Just last night Kenneth Copeland along with Keith Moore denied that God is Sovereign.\\

Various people on these blogs do the same thing by saying that Satan is in charge on the earth.

This despite the fact that Jesus's own words, "ALL POWER is given to Me in heaven and on earth," which leaves nothing behind for Satan.
---Cluny on 7/15/10


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The Word of Faith Movement is the fastest growing apostate teaching.

Just last night Kenneth Copeland along with Keith Moore denied that God is Sovereign.

I have heard this very thing from many other Word of Faith teachers/preachers, like Benny Hinn and Myles Munroe
---Rob on 7/13/10


For anybody who wants the whole truth:

Jeremiah 7:31 is not about Hellfire. it is about child sacrifice: Jer 7:31 And they have built the high places...to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.

God is love. He love us so much after 1 John 4:8 in v. 9, ...the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

Ezekiel 18:4 ...the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Eze 18:5 But if a man [long list of thing to do and not to do, and] 18:17 ...he shall surely live.
---aka.joseph on 7/12/10


Amen David

I believe xmas is biggest apostate doctrine ...a day unsupported by Holy Scripture used by those who choose to live FOR the WORLD and and the god of this world and all ITS traditions following FALSE lying ministers

this tradition of MAN is unbiblical

Apostles and Christ Himself never worshiped observed or honored this pagan day

MOTHER rcc Rev 17 was very calculating by choosing to superimpose Biblical Christ OVER the god of the sun

Apostles WARNED of TWO Christs who are in the world

Biblical Christ is worship in truth and spirit - Christ left EXAMPLES for his followers ...xmas nowhere in Holy Scripture

2Corin 11:4 the OTHER Chris from world ITS traditions and pagan idolatry
---Rhonda on 7/10/10


I do not agree with Cluny that Jesus taught the grotesque Babylonian idea of Hellfire.

The word Jesus used at Mark 9:43,45 and 47 was "Gehenna", meaning "Valley of Hinnom".

Gehenna is the Greek form of the Hebrew 'geh hin-nom'. In Joshua 18:16, where "valley of Hinnom" occurs, LXX reads "Gehenna." It occurs 12 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures, first appearing in Mt 5:22.

The valley of Hinnom was the incinerator for the filth of Jerusalem.

No living humans were burned alive in Gehenna. Hence, the place could never symbolize a region where human souls are tormented eternally in fire.

Gehenna was used by Jesus to symbolize everlasting destruction, or 'second death'.
---David8318 on 7/9/10


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\\2. Hellfire. A grotesque Babylonian mythological teaching. The putting of people in fire is not in God's 'Hesrt'- Jeremiah 7:31. 'God is love'- 1 John 4:8\\

Then Jesus taught a grotesque Babylonian mythological teaching.

Mark 9:43ff.

And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
---Cluny on 7/8/10


Biggest apostate doctrines are,

1. The 'trinity'. Hellenic Neo-Platonic "triune" philosophy. Heavily influenced by Babylonian triadic false worship.

2. Hellfire. A grotesque Babylonian mythological teaching. The putting of people in fire is not in God's 'Hesrt'- Jeremiah 7:31. 'God is love'- 1 John 4:8.

3. Immortality of the human soul. Again heavily influenced by Hellenic, Neo-Platonic philosophy. (Ezekiel 18:4)

4. Teaching Christ did not die but was/is AlmightyGod, who cannot die. John, at 1 John 4:2,3 said this is the 'anti-Christ', those who do not confess Jesus as flesh.
---David8318 on 7/8/10


In essential unity, in none essential liberty. Biggest apostate dostrine today.
We must be ONE BODY, ONE FAITH,
And there are no none essential doctrines

Ephesians 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Ephesians 4:4 [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling,
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all, and in you all.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
---francis on 7/7/10


Cluny
If I said something in the way like what you would say, that would let me know I'm in error
& I wouldn't know much about Church history & or other.

As like I've said before, the Man - made trin - relig - org's churches say things that tickles the peoples hearing & that's what they want to hear. 2nd.Cor.4 v 4.

I do Not & I will Not do such.
---Lawrence on 7/5/10


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\\The First Man - made trin - relig - org church Is the rcc, \\

You've already proven sufficiently you know nothing about Church history.

It's not necessary to repeat yourself over and over and over to convince us.l
---Cluny on 7/4/10


There's No such a thing as apostate doctrines in the body of Christ.

There Is in the body of the power of darkness. The First Man - made trin - relig - org church Is the rcc, which Is the mother apostate church. Not in this order came the rcc's daughters churches, the cc, presby, luth, cog, naz, bapt, method, aog, & the rest of the trin-denominations. They are here Matt.15 v's 9 & 14 & came from here 2nd.Cor.4 v 4 & 11 v's 14 - 15 then here also Rev.17 v's 4 - 6. These Man - made trin - relig - org's churches beginning with the rcc Is an Abomination to Almighty God, He has Nothing to do with such.
These people Need the salvation of God, Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20.
---Lawrence on 7/2/10


.elder, you will believe whatever you desire. Extreme? all of God's own are extreme, you are either FOR him, or else you are AGAINST him, and there is no grey area or lukewarm with God, you are either hot or cold. So if you ain't hot, then you ain't got.
---Eloy on 4/9/07


.elder, what does the Lord say about those whom call others fools? Please read Matthew 5:22; 10:25.
---Eloy on 4/9/07


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Eloy, why must you always be extreme?
Is it an ego thing with you? You appear to just not understand Scripture?
We DO NOT work to get Salvation. We work because we have Salvation.
The Bible speaks of many doing evil work. Will they go to Heaven because they worked?
Your foolishness and misapplied applications are distressing.
---Elder on 4/8/07


Matthew - *Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.*

Nearly all modern versions except NKJV have Romans 8:1 as "There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus." (ASV)

When I asked a visiting seminary professor about the verse, he found that in his research that about half of the early writers quoted from the former while the others half used the latter.
---lee on 4/8/07


.elder, look it up. Your thoughts are in error. Jesus said WORK; and the hearers only but not doers are condemned; and faith without works is dead. You do no work, then you are condemned to hell, like it or not this is the truth. Crist Commands Work, and if you say no, then you are in disobedience and must be condemned. Please read Matthew 25:41-46.
---Eloy on 4/7/07


1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Galatians 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Romans 7:5
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
---matthew on 4/7/07


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Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:5
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
---Matthew on 4/7/07


Romans 8:8
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

1 Corinthians 1:26
For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:


1 Peter 4:2
That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
---Matthew on 4/7/07


#2 Furthermore, the word is "may" not "will"! in 1 Cor 5:5. There is the possibility of it not happening! Before (in other blogs), you stated that a Christian that live in sin was never a "true" Christian to begin with, now you state that a Christian that live in sin will only lose their physical life, and not their salvation.

Contradicting yourself Reverend! I just sent you Email. God Bless.
---Ramon on 4/7/07


Jana simply does not differentiate between the Old and New Covenant as she thinks that Christians are also Jewish and must obey Mosaic law.

Deuteronomy 5:15 You shall remember that you were a slave {Or servant} in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.
---lee on 4/7/07


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I consider that the biggest threat to the church today is from those that are the successors to the Galatian heresy; those that believe one is justified by obedience to the old Mosaic laws in a covenant the Spirit of God declared to be obsolete. Hebrews 8:13.
---lee on 4/7/07


Herb, You have distorted the Lord's Scripture, Why? Paul was saying that the person should be expunged from the Church, so they won't contaminate It & know the seriousness of their error,only then they might honestly repent,reap eternal life. Not all come back to God's saving Truth. Free-will don't disappear after conversion. The Word says one must WALK in the light/Truth in order to be clean. Light & error can't mix, can't serve 2 masters, no such thing as a sinnersaint. Doublemindness is deceit.
---Mrs._Morgan on 4/7/07


1Jo2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
---Rev_Herb on 4/7/07


*This is what happens to Christians when they live in sin. They don't loose there salvation, but there physical life.*

Oh thats so great! Now I can live in sin! God just going to strike me now, and I be in heaven. Thank-you so much Rev.Herb for letting me know (*sigh*)
---Ramon on 4/7/07


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the major apostate doctrines today are: the "love gospel", God has no hate nor wrath, and all go to heaven because God is only love; the blasphemous "sin-supporters", all people are sinners, even the born-again and sanctified saints of God; the Galatian Sin, called, "leaven binding", the N.T. Laws are insufficient, and the Old Testament Laws are still required; and "miscontext", where verses taken out of context which misleads and supports untruth.
---Eloy on 4/7/07


Those whom backslide fall back into sin, and sometimes are at the point of no return. And once they fall back into sin, if they don't repent of their ways and turn back to God, they'll die lost and go to hell.
---Rebecca_D on 4/7/07


Eloy please show me the word "Backsliding" in the New Testament.
Also give me the reference to your statement.
You are, in reality, saying that I must work for my Salvation if I am to keep it. I thought God did the keeping.
Herb you are correct. Keep on brother. (PS. Now Eloy will tell us we are both lost.)
---Elder on 4/7/07


Rev Herb, I respect most of what you say and thank you for your wisdom in the Lord. This issue of "Purgatory" though is the hot topic between me and some of my Catholic friends. They believe in such a place, but I do not. I was raised a Catholic, but this Purgatory thing is far fetched. I find nothing in the Gospels that suggest such a place. In fact it suggests just the opposite. What's up?
---Pete on 4/7/07


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The biggest apostate doctrines I see are:

1) All babies go to heaven

2) Tithing

3) It is your will to accept Jesus that leads to salvation.

4) You immediately enter heaven when you die if you are a Christian.
---Ryan_Z on 4/7/07


That everybody is getting saved, and the preachers are the ones that is doing it, all the saving that is. What about the work of the Person of the Holy Spirit, what is He doing in all of this quote, quote, people getting saved?
---catherine on 4/7/07


.herb, it's called "Backsliding." Everlasting life is only everlasting for those who do the works of Christ and keep the faith, it's not for the so-called christians who backslide and live in sin.
---Eloy on 6/12/06

1Co5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

This is what happens to Christians when they live in sin. They don't loose there salvation, but there physical life.
---Rev_Herb on 4/7/07


Johnt u said"Insufficient work of Christ 4salvation and Obey laws 2b saved: Its exactly Biblical: Salvation by works means,once saved, u go out and do the work of God, b it helping one across the road, reading to your child, giving to the poor,helping a neighbour etc Obey all 10laws, Dont steal, dont murder, dont adulterate, dont bear false witness, REMEMBER SABBATH DAY KEEP HOLY ETC ETC. by doing all these in love faithflly, you are obeying God n u b saved..
---jana on 4/5/07


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The not so sure ones...who doesnt know which camp they are in...who complains about other churches a lot and who does not believe the 10 commandments of God still stands and is an ongoing/perpetual set of laws...
---jana on 4/5/07


The prosperity "gospel" and the psychology "gospel". The Psychology gospel is extremely dangerous because it is appealing to Christians who are truly having a very big struggle. I could have easily fallen for it because of my mental health issues, but I just knew that I knew that it is a lie. Hard as it sometimes was, I refused to give up trusting the Lord Jesus and His death on the Cross for my answers and He has and is doing a marvellous work in my life.
---Helen_5378 on 4/4/07


2. some don't believe in the hope of the rapture, the manifestations of the joy of the Lord, the infilling of the Holy Ghost "with the evidence of speaking it tongues as the SPIRIT giveth utterance".....it's apostacy at it's worst!
---T.S on 6/16/06


nobody believes salvation means CHANGE anymore. According to some, it's perfectly acceptable for "christians" to smoke, drink, not attend church, not be faithful in tithes and offerings...
---T.S. on 6/16/06


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I mean any doctrine that teaches that there is to be some sort of rapture (as the living being taken off this earth by Jesus) before the man of sin, the son of perdition is revealed. This is the doctrine I refer to.
---joseph on 6/14/06


Mike wrote: "From what I am reading on this thread only fundamentalist Christians go to heaven."

Since heaven is God's home, He sends out the specific invitations to come, and describes how to get there. It is "whosoever will" but only the elect respond.
---John_T on 6/13/06


Joseph:

Seems as if you are saying that a specific millennialist position is apostacy when you say, "The doctrine of a rapture before the man of sin is revealed."

Please expand your meaning.
---John_T on 6/13/06


The doctrine of a rapture before the man of sin is revealed.
---joseph on 6/13/06


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From what I am reading on this thread only fundamentalist Christians go to heaven.
---MikeM on 6/12/06


candice, get your strongs concordance and look up eternal, everlasting, forever and ever, without ceasing, eternity. I am saved and will always be saved. does that mean I have a license to sin? no it does not. God punishes for sin. I was purchased and blood bought. How many times do I have to be blood bought?
---shira on 6/12/06


.herb, it's called "Backsliding." Everlasting life is only everlasting for those who do the works of Christ and keep the faith, it's not for the so-called christians who backslide and live in sin.
---Eloy on 6/12/06


Any doctrine that preaches not the eternal truth that Jesus Always Was; was, is, and is to come.
Any preaching that Jesus was a created being.
Any doctrine that teaches that anything apart from his grace through his bodily death and resurrection will bring us to heaven.
Any doctrine that denies sanctification can and does come with the indwelling of the Holy Ghost through the forgiveness of sin in faith in Jesus Christ alone.
---Pharisee on 6/11/06


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Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
---exzucuh on 6/11/06


I hear this particular 'apostate' type of church is fading. What I was around was something called 'sheperding,' an autocratic dogma where you had to 'submit without question' to certain people. any education beyond high school was considered 'worldly'- and a reason to be kicked out. They treated women like dogs and unutterable things were done to teenage girls. They called themselves pentacostals, but were out to lunch. There heros were people like Randell Terry, Watchman Nee, and those TBN folk.
---MikeM on 6/11/06


candice- What does everlasting life or eternal live mean? Jn 3:16:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.

How can it be everlasting life if I can loose it tomarrow? Most of the ones you see saved today and lost tomarrow were never truely saved the first time.
---Rev_Herb on 6/11/06


IMO the biggest heresy comes from two groups: one Christian, the other not.

Both say that what Jesus did on the cross is insufficient for salvation. In order to be saved, you have to keep these rules.

As such, they create another, different gospel and are guilty of the same heresy that the Galatians had.

But do not tell them that, they are too blinded to see it.
---John_T on 6/11/06


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part 1: Some of the major false doctrines are the half-truths: "love gospel", God has no hate nor wrath, and all go to heaven because God is only love; "faith-only", salvation is by faith only, works are vain and unnecessary, and do no works for salvation.
---Eloy on 6/11/06


pt 2: Others are blasphemous: "sin-supporters", all people are sinners, even the born-again and sanctified saints of God; "identical faiths", Christianity is the same as all religions, religions simply use different names for the same God; "diety dissing", Jesus is less than God; "polytheism", theres more than one God and one Mediator.
---Eloy on 6/11/06


pt 3: Others are scripture distorters: "leaven binding", the N.T. Laws are insufficient, and the Old Testament Laws are still required; "synonymous Bibles", all Bibles are Holy; "misapplication", holy scripture is not absolute, but relative to mean whatever a person desires; "miscontext", verses taken out of context which misleads and supports untruth.
---Eloy on 6/11/06


Any doctrine that takes away from the works of the cross or turns people back to the law is dangerous. When peter had his eyes on Jesus he could walk on water, the water represented the law, grace was holding up jesus but when peter turned back and took his eyes off Jesus he sank back into the reality of the law of gravity leaving the law of grace and the miraculous.
---exzucuh on 6/10/06


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The "prosperity gospel" and "word of faith" doctrine (name it and claim it, or you have what you say). These attract large numbers because they appeal to materialism and selfishness so common in the U.S. (Fortunately, I can't see this movement being accepted world-wide) They are all about "What can I get out of God"...little about redemption, gratitude, sacrifice, humility, holiness, forgiveness and love.
---Donna2277 on 6/10/06


I consider the "once saved always saved" speech not acceptable. I mean even demons believe Jesus Christ & say he is Lord, but they do not obey, to be truly "saved" you need to confess he is the Lord & OBEY. Yes faith&works go together. you can't earn your way into Heaven, but once you accept Jesus why don't you apply what he showed you to everyone around you?
---candice on 6/10/06


2/... It is sometimes especially when in the valley to trust the Lord.... it would be far easier in those times to turn to man and trust him because man we can see. My requirement is to walk by faith, not by sight. Walking by faith has huge rewards from the Lord Himself.
---Helen_5378 on 6/10/06


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