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Should We Follow Pagan Holidays

Should we follow God's Holy Days or man-made Holidays-such as taking pagan feast days and turning them "Christian".

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RE, eloy
the reference to Haggai is correct about the ninth month being december. But Isaiah 66 is not refering to the birth of Christ. Haggai is speaking about the conception of christ. Jesus was not born in december, he was born is september. Jewish customs didnt travel in the winter seasons. Luke 2:1-7 Joseph takes his pregnant wife 120 miles to bethlehem from Galilee for a census. (not winter)where she gave birth to Jesus. Verse 8 says the shepherds were living in the fields with their flocks. (not winter). verse 21-22 says after her purification they took jesus to Jerusalem. More traveling... Its summertime not winter. census's and traveling were done in summer and fall for accuracy. sorry eloy, Jesus was born in September. Pastor steve
---steve on 9/9/08


Nicole>>>I kinda like your way of thinking. If only unbelievers wouild bow out of Christmas and Easter holidays, and leave these special days for the true believers to praise the living God, and to give thanks to the living God, and to lift our hands to the living God, on these suppose to be for the Living God days. Wouldn't that be so very nice? Yes!
---catherine on 9/2/08


pagans should stop taking Christian Holy Days and turning them into pagan feast days. And Christians should know that the Holy Days came before the pagan days.
---Eloy on 9/1/08


Eloy, for the first time I agree with you 100%.

When you are right, you are RIGHT!

When God made creation, He called it good, making it HOLY including the Days.

Pagans have taken our Holy Days and turned them to secular days.

Their actions have confused those like Rhonda who believe Pagans own the days and not God Almighty.

God is the CREATOR.
Pagans are lost creatures.
---Nicole on 9/2/08


scripture tells all true christians the whore of revalation is rcc it's part of prophecy darling just read Gods Word---Rhonda

Which Chapter and verse has the RCC is the whore?
Remember, use the Bible with the words 'the Roman Catholic Church' as the whore.
None of your twisted interpretation of the Bible.
I am a simple girl. I need clear cut answers.

That's why I love the Gospels so much.
Jesus knows how simple I am. He makes it so plain for me.
I listen to His Words and have no need to change them.

They are perfect! Jesus doesn't need you or I to explain Him.
He sent the Holy Spirit for that job.

Or do you think you can explain Jesus better than the Third Person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit?
---Nicole on 9/2/08


the Bible reads that it was during the tax season commanded by Ceasar Augustus, that the ground was parched, and that it was cold enough for Mary to quilt-strap the papoose. Therefore since the ground is commonly parched (dry from the cold) in December and January, Jesus could only have been born, according to scripture, during that time. And his birth has absolutely nothing to do with pagan holidays.
---Eloy on 9/2/08




Phyllis, "And now set now your heart from this day and upward, before the stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of YHWH: from this day and upward, from the 24th day of the ninth, (from December 24) from the day that the foundation of YHWHs Temple was laid, from this day will I bless you." Hag.2:15,18,19. The Hebrew ninth month is Chisleu, which is December. "Before she labor-pained she gave birth, before came pain to her, then she delivered a man child. Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad with her, all who love her, rejoice with her a rejoicing." Isaiah 66:7,10.
---Eloy on 9/2/08


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Rhonda, do you think now I believe I follow the god of this world because you said so? Put the kool aid down.
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sweetie never told you this ...scripture tells all true christians the whore of revalation is rcc it's part of prophecy darling just read Gods Word

whose drinking kool aid NOT ME I don't submit my mind and will to a flesh and blood man giving up my power creating bondage to men unable to serve Christ?

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If you want to limit the days you can worship Him, go ahead
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just because I HONOR God the Father observing HIS HOLY DAYS and NOT heathen days your pagan system does doesn't mean I limit my days ...but believe as you wish to serve the god of this world
---Rhonda on 9/1/08


pagans should stop taking Christian Holy Days and turning them into pagan feast days. And Christians should know that the Holy Days came before the pagan days.
---Eloy on 9/1/08


Rhonda, do you think now I believe I follow the god of this world because you said so? Put the kool aid down.

Hand over your days to Pagans if you wish.
You must be afraid of these people. Since you think you can't use a day they decided to use for their gods worship.

Do you also have a list of food you can't eat because they are eating it as well?
I will not let any one BULLY me in not Praising God on a certain day.

Jesus is the Lord and God of my life which includes everyday of my life.

If you want to limit the days you can worship Him, go ahead.
You have free will.
You can Praise Him 1/2 of your year.
I will Praise Him EVERYDAY!

God isn't a Part time God!
---Nicole on 8/31/08


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The days do not belong to Pagans. They didn't make the day.
God made them.
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Sadly Nicole it is something you will never understand so long as you continue to submit your mind and will to a flesh and blood man

the pagans created worship of sun NOT God ...since rcc has its own writings you would not know what Gods Word has to say about this ...but your relgious system is so burdoned with their heathen practices it isn't surprising you believe God created the worship of the sun

I don't condemn you or anyone for following the god of this world but I will USE Gods Word to defend HIS truth when I see self professing Christians smearing heathen practices over Gods Word and wrapping Christ up in them
---Rhonda on 8/31/08




I should have said:the men from the Orient,(the Magi,)were STARGAZERS--not Astrologists!
---Danelle on 8/31/08


The men from the Orient gave gifts of gold, frankensense and myrr to the New born King.Because the star in the East was so bright to these ancient astronomers,they knew a King had been born SOMEWHERE.They had to follow the star until they found the child,then they presented the gifts.They didn't turn around and begin exchanging gifts among themselves.These gifts were very expensive and only given to Royalty!
---Danelle on 8/30/08


Rhonda and Mike, the days of the months belong to God not pagans.

You can make the days as you wish.
Don't get so upset about these Holidays.

Please note: The RCC does not call the days dedicated to Jesus and His Church - Holiday. This is a secular word.

We use Feast and Solemnity just like the Jewish people.
Solemnity are days that everyone must go to Church (Mass). If Christmas day lands on Tuesday, then we go to Mass.

Why do you reject giving days to God?
You have Valentine day, but you don't want a day given to God?

The days do not belong to Pagans. They didn't make the day.
God made them.

All days belong to HIM.
---Nicole on 8/30/08


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Calender, with all the months of the year, days of the week, all pagan, better toss them out!
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reasoning (because there are so many other things that are pagan) celebrating pagan holidays is good because look at everything else that is pagan ...we couldn't be expected to remove all pagan from our lives so we might as well enjoy ALL THINGS heathen ...heck we only live once

ignorance is blissful

...can't change pagan calendar I can choose to honor God not celebrating Christs bday on day of pagan sun god ...difference between professing Christ on one's lips or following examples Christ gave Apostles recorded for all Christians knowing they were not celebrating Christs bday, easter, halloween, valentines day...
---Rhonda on 8/29/08


The Calender, with all the months of the year, days of the week, all pagan, better toss them out! Many of us have pagan first ans last names, toss them out to! My city, Yucaipa is Native America, pagan as well! My state is full of cities counties with RCC saints names and Indian names. I do know Native Americans do not celebrate Colombus Day.
---MikeM on 8/29/08


We should worship God every day of the year and celebrate what He has done for us. If that means replacing every pagan holiday with a man-made Christian holiday, I say great. There is no such thing as too much worship, and we do not need any pagan holidays lingering around to seduce people back to pagan ways.
---lorra8574 on 8/19/07


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My point here is that a holiday or a symbol gets is meaning from people. You decide if Valentines Day is about love (God) or about an old sexual rite. You decide if Christmas is about the birth of Jesus or about the birth of the Sun (Winter Solistice: harvesting and planting cycles). You give the holidays their meaning.
---Grace on 8/19/07


i shall hold back much of my negative opinions on that statement but i do NOT think you should do that taking other peoples holy celebrations and "converting" them to your own beliefs is something that i consider offensive, people worship THEIR Diety's on those holidays NOT YOURS.those divine holidays are important to us and we wish to keep tradition in them instead of having them changed to fit another persons belief they ARE sacred to us in the same way december 25th is to christians.
---zachery on 3/17/07


Phyllis, thanks for your comments.It is a shame that Eloy continues to make outlandish and incorrect statements which have no historical or scriptural basis.His fictional and pseudo-research really makes it very difficult for anyone to take you seriously. Continue to grow in knowledge, wisdom and understanding.
---Lari_S on 2/9/07


Elroy, I do not find December 25th in any of the Scriptures you quoted. I read them all. Laris gave you some very good answers. Also, I don't think you read what I wrote either.
---Phyllis on 2/8/07


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.laris, The HOLY BIBLE proclaims:

Jesus' birth date on the night of December 25, 5 B.C: Isaiah 53:2; Luke 2:1-7; Haggai 2:15,18,19; Daniel 9:25; Ezra 7:8,13,21-23,27; Luke 3:23; Matthew 26:20,21; Luke 2:8.
---Eloy on 2/7/07


1) Harper Collins Bible Dictionary states,

"The actual date of Jesus' birth is unknown.There is no evidence of celebrating the Nativity before the third century..The celebration of the Nativity is attested in Rome in A.D.336..on the selection of December 25,..this date had already been a major pagan festival,of Sol Invictus,the'birth'of the'Unconquerable Sun'..Christmas replaced the pagan festival,Christians having applied'Sun of Righteousness'(Mal.4:2)to Christ."
---Lari_S on 2/7/07


2) The Holman Bible Dictionary states,

"No evidence remains about the exact date of the birth of Christ. The December 25 date was chosen as much for practical reasons as for theological ones...In Rome, the Feast of the Unconquerable Sun celebrated the beginning of the return of the sun... The winter solstice seemed an appropriate time to celebrate Christ's birth.Thus,the festival of the sun became a festival of the Son,the Light of the world."
---Lari_S on 2/7/07


3) In regards to Jesus' birth date the International Standard Bible Encyclopedia states,

"There is no certainty as to the month or day of the birth.The Christmas date,December 25,is first met with in the West in the 4th century(the eastern date was January 6),and was then possibly borrowed from a pagan festival.December,in the winter season,seems unlikely,as unsuitable for the pasturing of flocks(Luke 2:8),..A more probable date is a couple of months earlier."
---Lari_S on 2/7/07


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phyllis, I have cited the books of the Bible with their chapters and their verses below, just as you have asked; are you not reading them? Nonetheless, I will cite them again for you. Jesus' birth date on the night of December 25, 5 B.C. between 7 and 8 o'clock according to the Holy Bible: Isaiah 53:2; Luke 2:1-7; Haggai 2:15,18,19; Daniel 9:25; Ezra 7:8,13,21-23,27; Luke 3:23; Matthew 26:20,21; Luke 2:8.
---Eloy on 2/6/07


laris, YESHUAH ben YHWH, his Known birthday on the night of December 25, 5 B.C. has everything to do with his historically recorded birthday, and nothing at all to do with unbelievers dissings or lies or false religions or myths or paganism. So if you choose to continnue to believe lies over factual and scriptural truth, than that is your choice, but don't expect those knowing the truth to fall for what we know is falsehood. I suggest you accept the truth of scripture, rather than the words of lost men.
---Eloy on 2/6/07


"And the birth of Christ has absolutely nothing at all to do with the pagan Mithras or any other pagan celebration."-Eloy

Eloy, Yeshua Ben Yosef's unknown birth date don't have anything to do with Mithras' birthday,but December 25th have everything to do with the pagan Mithras' birthday because it is Mithras'birthday.
---Lari_S on 2/5/07


Part 1 - Elroy - I asked "where do you find in the Scriptures what you said "The Bible documents December 25, 5 B.C. as Christ's birth"? Then you give me all this stuff and NONE of it comes from the scriptures. Luke 2 states that Augustus issued an order for a census to be taken throughout the Empire and that this was the first if its kind. Nothing is said about "tax season".
---Phyllis on 2/5/07


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Part 2 - Most likely, Augustus would have ordered this to be done during one of the three times of the year when the Jews were already coming to Jerusalem - Sukkot - Feast of Tabernacles, being one of them which takes place last September, early October. Also, go study the time when Zachariah was to have his turn in the temple. What did I say that was not true? Please back up your findings with scripture.
---Phyllis on 2/5/07


laris, what you speak are not facts, but instead are the common falsehoods of unbelievers.
---Eloy on 2/5/07


phyllis, all of what you say is not true, but are common mistellings of the scripture. According to scripture, the magi came to the lodging where the infant Jesus was laid in the feed rack, because there was no room for Joseph and Mary in the quarters.
---Eloy on 2/4/07


phyllis, part 1: Christ was born during the tax season commanded by Caesar Augustus. The season was winter, which can only be December or January: "For he springs up as a suckling in his presence, and as a root out of parched ground...And she birthed the son of her, the first-born, and wrapped him in swaddled clothes..." Isaiah 53:2; Luke 2:7.
---Eloy on 2/4/07


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phyllis, pt.2: His birth is (69 weeks= 69 x 7 yrs)= 483 years from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25). The decree was made the 7th year of Artaxerxes 40 year reign= 458 B.C. (Ezra 7:8,13,21-23,27). Jesus began to minister at 30 years of age (Luke 3:23). Now count forward 483 years from 458 B.C.= 26 A.D. (1 is added because there is no date "0"); now count back 30 years= 5 B.C. (1 added again because there is no "0").
---Eloy on 2/4/07


phyllis, pt.3: The prophet Haggai did prophesy that from December 24, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the Lord, from this date and upward, from the day that the foundation of the Temple is laid, God will begin to bless his people, and the latter temple will be more glorious than the first temple. Haggai 2:15,18,19. Thus, Jesus birthday is December 25, 5 B.C.
---Eloy on 2/4/07


phyllis, pt.4: Jesus was born at night between 7 and 8 o'clock: the Jews eat their supper meal at even, from 6 to 7 p.m., so the shepherds would have eaten their supper meal before they took their flocks out at night, and the night comes after evening. "Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve. And as they did eat...And the shepherds being in the same land, that of the field yards, and who keeping watch of the night over their flock." Matthew 26:20; Luke 2:8.
---Eloy on 2/4/07


phyllis,pt.5: Christ was born during the tax season commanded by Caesar Augustus. Shortly after the persecution of the early church the date of Jesus' birth became uncertain. Cyril, bishop of Jerusalem in the mid 4th century A.D., requested to have the true date of Jesus' birth given to him from the taxation records kept in Rome. Cyril reported that December 25th was the date given to him. Thus Christmas was celebrated with confirmation by the Latin, Greek, and Hebrew Christians in Jerusalem at that time.
---Eloy on 2/4/07


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phyllis, pt.6: So these facts, both internal and external witnesses, the believers believe that the date December 25, which people have been celebrating the birth of Christ for about 2,000 years since the time that the shepherds and the magi came to his feed rack, is correct. And the birth of Christ has absolutely nothing at all to do with the pagan Mithras or any other pagan celebration.
---Eloy on 2/4/07


Eloy,it is a fact that Christianity borrowed from the Pagan Sol-Invictus Religion in which the Vatican has representations of Christ as the sun-god Sol-Invictus/Mithas/Helios/Apollo riding in his chariot.The Catholic Encyclopedia states,

"..the Sol-Invictus had been adopted by the Christians in a Christian sense,as demonstrated in the Christ as Apollo-Helios in a mausoleum(c.250)discovered beneath St.Peter's in the Vatican."
---Lari_S on 2/4/07


Elroy - where do you find in the Scriptures what you said "The Bible documents December 25, 5 B.C. as Christ's birth"? It would have been to cold in Israel at that time of the year for shepherds to be out tending their flocks. Also, the Wise Men did not come to the stable to see Messiah - they came to the house where he lived.
---Phyllis on 2/4/07


steveng, you do not speak the truth. The Messianic Jews and Christians celebrate birthdays, and they always have done so, but you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 2/4/07


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Eloy: The Jews don't celebrate birthdays every year as the Gentiles do. Royalty were the only people, as a rule, who gave presents at birth only, they didn't celebrate birthdays every year. Maybe you should study the people who gave birth to Christianity.
---Steveng on 2/3/07


.ryan, The Jews celebrated birthdays. When a woman is delivered of a baby she has joy that a human is born into the world. Jesus was a Jew, "and when they had opened their treasures, they presented to him gifts; gold, and olibanum, and sweet-smelling myrrh." Matthew 2:11. And John was a Jew, "And you will have joy and gladness; and many will rejoice at his birth." Luke 1:14.
---Eloy on 2/2/07


This is just a frivolous debate. Just like we were not there to personally witness the beginning of the universe, nor the molding of clay to make Adam, nor Noah's Flood, nor the parting of the Red Sea or any other event. We don't know the exact time because everyone has calculated a different date, but we know about and the signs of the times that it happened. Much like we don't know the exact time of Jesus return except for the signs.
---Steveng on 2/2/07


.laris, I believe in the real and living Christ Jesus born on the night of Christmas, which is historical fact and confirmed by Scripture, and I do not believe in any mythical thing that you nor any other antiChrist clay fabricates.
---Eloy on 2/2/07


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.lisa, I already have posted the Scriptures you are asking for time and again. But I can post them again, only if you promise to read them this time. Because I prefer to redeem the time and to minister to those who desire to know the truth and to be saved rather than constantly give light to anyone whom chooses to remain in darkness.
---Eloy on 2/2/07


It isn't right to celebrate Pagan holidays; but holidays that have been absorbed by Christianity for the purpose of converting Pagans is not the same thing. Most Christians know that Jesus was not born on December 25, yet how many still practice the original pagan ritual was celebrated on that date? I celebrate Christmas by worshipping God in Church, and by teaching my children about charity and faith. I never celebrate Christ's birthday without inviting the guest of honour into my heart and home.
---lorra8574 on 2/2/07


God,s holy days, is for us to keep, Get in the Bible, and study about them, get books that exsplains about God,s holy days and there meaning. Pray for knowlege to understand, and you will see IT IS GOD,S MASTER PLAN for all, up to the coming of Jesus our saviour. Also you will find in the bible say,s All will go up to the mountains to keep the feast, and see who dont go up to keep the feast, what will become of them.check also Zech 14.
---winna on 2/2/07


Eloy,it is a shame that you don't know that you have been "tricked" into believing the mythical Jesus(Sol-Invictus-Mithras/Helios/Apollo)-who was born on December 25th by the Church of Rome instead of the true historical Yeshua Ben Yosef.
---Lari_S on 2/2/07


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Eloy, you always have a lot to say and no Scripture to back your words up. Show the dates from scripture. Anyone can talk big, its when they produce the word of God to others that means anything.
---lisa on 2/2/07


I cannot believe my eyes. christmas is a day to read from the bible the story of Christ's birth. it is a day to remember His sacrifice for every person. I agree it has become materialistic, but as Joshua said. "For as for me and my house, we will serve God." I give thanks to God each year on the birth of my children because I was given the blessing to have them before I lost them. why not give God thanks once a year on Dec 25th for the birth of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world.
---Dave on 2/1/07


It is no wonder that God has been taken out of our lives and replaced with politically correct principals. People now argue over whether to honor the one person that we owe our very existance to. there is one thing to remember. when God is removed from a society, it becomes ripe for destruction and no power in heaven or Earth can stop it. Just remember Sodom and Gomorah. people there were just like the people living here now. carnal and devilish. shunning God for their own wicked ways of the world.
---Dave on 2/1/07


.steveng, cliff did not correct you, I, Eloy did. You say, "I called your claim that "The Bible proclaims Christmas to be Christ's birth" garbage." The Bible documents December 25, 5 B.C. as Christ's birth, yet you say this historical truth recorded in the Bible is garbage. I rightly correct you, for all whom join the world to be antiChrist will be condemned along with the world by the very Christ Almighty whom you consent with the world in dissing.
---Eloy on 2/1/07


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Jeff & Steveng, thanks for the info.
---Ryan on 2/1/07


Ryan- Steveng is correct, birthdays are a pagan custom and not celebrated.
---Jeff on 2/1/07


1stCliff: I did not call Jesus' birth "garbage." I called your claim that "The Bible proclaims Christmas to be Christ's birth" garbage. This is proof that if you twist someone's words around, it's a very good possibility that you do the same with Bible verses. Like I suggested in another post, take a year Sabbatical and study the Bible from beginning to end.
---Steveng on 1/31/07


Ryan: ask any rabbi.
---Steveng on 1/31/07


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.steveng, I suggest that you get saved, then you will believe the truth of Christmas, and you will stop calling Christ's birth, "Garbage in the Bible".
---Eloy on 1/31/07


Steveng, **In fact, the Jewish people before, during and after Jesus' time never celebrated birthdays.**

This is fascinating. I was very curious about this not too long ago and I asked a pseudo-Jewish friend of mine what the traditional birthday celebration was for ancient Jews; she had no answer. Where did you learn this?
---Ryan on 1/30/07


Eloy: "The Bible proclaims Christmas to be Christ's birth."

Where did you ever read such garbage in the Bible? God would have never proclaimed Christmas as a holiday. In fact, the Jewish people before, during and after Jesus' time never celebrated birthdays.
---Steveng on 1/30/07


lorra8574, It is a falsehood that pagans started the holy days, and christians just adopted them by adding christian embellishments. The Astarte idol has nothing to do with Pasover, and was instituted 2,669 years after Adam was created, when Moses was 80 years old in 1525 B.C. And the Mithra idol has nothing to do with Christmas: Christmas was instituted by the magi in honor of Christ's birth, in the city of Bethlehem on the night of December 25, 5 B.C.
---Eloy on 1/30/07


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.audrey, Don't confuse pagans with Christians, for we worship the real and living Christ, but pagans follow after mythological santa clauses and reindeer and other fantasies. I suggest you read the Holy Bible spoken by God, rather than manmade encyclopedias. The Bible proclaims Christmas to be Christ's birth, so it is holy and not pagan. You should not care what encyclopedias say, but instead rely upon God's Word which records the historical truth.
---Eloy on 1/29/07


Celebrate Christ at all times. what better way to catch pagans attention but by celebrating the Victory of Christ over their religion on the day that they celebrate their false gods? What if there is a pagan holiday on May 4th celebrating the union between 2 gods. the church celebrated with great energy the victory of Jesus Christ and the gospel was shared to the pagans would may 4th be pagan or christian? christian because the former pagans would then be celebrating their conversion to Jesus Christ.
---Jared on 1/29/07


Actually, God's Church took many of the Pagan holidays and converted them into Christian holy days - changing their symbols into Christian teaching tools. It took some research to sort out what used to be celebrated during Christmas and Easter. Of course, if we allow Satan to corrupt us, we can slide backwards. It is sad to see the over commercialization of all our hard work, and the elevation of the more pagan elements - Halloween is getting ridiculous.
---lorra8574 on 1/29/07


.audrey, Don't confuse pagans with Christians, for we worship the real and living Christ, but pagans follow after mythological santa clauses and reindeer and other fantasies. I suggest you read the Holy Bible spoken by God, rather than manmade encyclopedias. The Bible proclaims Christmas to be Christ's birth, so it is holy and not pagan. You should not care what encyclopedias say, but instead rely upon God's Word which records the historical truth.
---Eloy on 1/29/07


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Audrey: Thanksgiving is an old custom long before the Pilgrams, like since the beginning of man. It was the giving of thanks to God for a good harvest. Abraham Lincoln declared it a national holiday in 1863. Today, as since the beginning with Adam and Eve, Christians give thanks every day for everything.
---Steveng on 1/29/07


There's no getting around it, Christmas is Pagan to the core. Read your encyclopedia!
Satan has turned God's Holy Days (in the eyes of mainstream christianity) into nothing and the 'world' now accepts Paganism as a way to worship the true God. But God is not pleased according to scriptures. He wants to be worshipped in spirit and TRUTH!
People believe anything but the truth!
---audrey on 1/29/07


when I saw the movie, KING KONG, I was really struck at the scene of the savages. I thought of how God, who has seen it all, looks upon those 'pagan' holidays, when they would indeed SACRIFICE virgins and children. He HATES the ways of the heathen. He doesn't accept that man has decided to worhip Him thru pagan roots. He tells us how to worship Him and to stay away from such entrapments.
---audrey on 1/29/07


Thanksgiving is not of Pagan origin. It is a national holiday not religious, like the fourth of July. We are not trying to 'worship' God in a way different than what He instructed by keeping our national holidays.
---audrey on 1/29/07


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Christmas, Christ's birth, was ordained by God many thousands of years before it actually happened.
---Eloy on 1/28/07


Christmas was not ordained by God, but by man. Man in the developed countries celebrate birthdays. It is a man's celebration. Besides, God would not create a celebration where most people are stressed out and spend and waste a lot of money for the self.
---Steveng on 1/28/07


Christmas has no pagan roots. Christmas started at the birth of Christ in Bethlehem of Judea on the night of December 25, 5 B.C., and the magi came to his feed rack and offered him gifts of olibanum, gold, and sweet-smelling myrrh. Nope, no paganism at all, only a holy birth on earth where holiness put on flesh.
---Eloy on 1/28/07


Do all things which is good and do all things that glorifies God (feed, clothe, quench the thirst of the poor, encourage the weak Christians). All God wants is simply a relationship with you. A strong personal relationship with you.

Do not condenm those who are weak in faith. Keep the encouragement up until they too will know the truth.
---Steveng on 1/27/07


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Christmas has pagan roots. Celebrations of Saints too. Thanksgiving was not sanctioned in the Bible and separates American christians from international ones. I don't think its pagan though, but I rather avoid it. The only new testament sanctioned commemoration is the sharing of wine and bread in Jesus memory. That happenned the 14th of nisan. It doesn't specify if we should do it daily or annually or weekly. May Jesus and the Father Bless All.
---George on 1/27/07


.sylvia, Christianity started when Christ was alive, for followers followed him. Sylvia, a Father had 2 sons, and he asked 1, Go do my will; and he answered No, but later he had a change of heart and went: The Father asked the 2nd son, Go do my will; and he answered I, Lord, but went not. Thus we see whom truly loves, for actions speak louder than words. So Sylvia, your love is nothing, without obedience to the one you love. Jesus says, "If you all love me, My Commandments keep." John 14:15.
---Eloy on 1/27/07


Christmas is a celebration of Christ's birth; Passover and Resurrection Day, commonly called Easter, is a celebration of Christ's death and resurrection, and whereas Passover was first celebrated in Moses' day; and Thanksgiving is a celebration of thanks to God for saving and helping the pilgrims that settled in North America. Now if any person wants to ascribe paganism to these Christian holidays, then that is their paganism and has absolutely nothing to do with the Lord Christ's observances.
---Eloy on 1/27/07


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