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Francis: You quoted 1Cor 15:12,13 "....do not ye judge them that are within?....."

But this judging of those within refers to those amongst Christians (such as yourself here on CN) who fornicate with Hagar/the law. Such have not purged out the old leaven of works of the law (Matt 16:12), as 1Cor 5:7 says we should.
Hence we should put out such wicked persons and not tolerate their false doctrine, as a little leaven leavens the whole lump, Gal 5:9.

Re your question to Trey about adultery, what about Jerry and Sammuelbb7 who both admit nobody can perfectly obey the law? They're SDAs admitting the law CANNOT be kept.
And as you determine righteousness by keeping the law perfectly, then you condemn your SDA mates.
---Haz27 on 4/27/13


Francis said: //you have gone back to the very sin from which Jesus desires to save you//

Francis, you oppose yourself by following SDA error doctrine.

How does one go back to the sin Jesus saved us from?
Gal 2:18
"if I BUILD AGAIN those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I MAKE MYSELF a transgressor"(SINNER).

As SDA doctrine builds again what was destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), then those who follow this make themselves sinners.
And to continue under the law like this AFTER having received the knowledge of the truth of the gospel, is WILLFUL SIN, Heb 10:26.

Repent and believe in Jesus.
---Haz27 on 4/27/13


---trey on 4/26/13

1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Corinthians 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Now what is your judgment when a christian says that he can commit adultery and it is not counted to him as a sin?
---francis on 4/27/13


Trey, I couldn't agree with you more, however there is another here who is guilty of this same offense. This person continually considers himself righteous and calls everyone else who disagrees with him unrighteous.

God is the only one who knows who is righteous or not, based on their faith in Jesus sacrifice. It's called IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS. And God and God alone is who imputes that righteousness. We have the righteousness of Christ.

All other talk by man making ignorant statements about whether one is righteous or not shows they are arrogant Pharisees , who are outside Paul calls DOGS.
---kathr4453 on 4/27/13


Francis, for you to judge yourself as righteous and others as unrighteous is a very pharisaical attitude.

It reminds me of:
Lu18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

Do you not realize that without the grace of God we would all burn for eternity in the Lake of Fire?
---trey on 4/26/13




Francis.You say "No, No, No" to salvation, if there's no works of the law.
---Haz27 on 4/26/13
Sorry kid, you would not know what salvation nor grace looks like, for you have gone back to the very sin from which Jesus desires to save you.



2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

2 Peter 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again, and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire
---francis on 4/27/13


To back up what Haz27 just said, lets see if scripture also backs this up:

Galatians 2:20-1
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

And that is exactly what Paul is again re-iterating in Galatians 2:20-21.
---kathr4453 on 4/27/13


Kathr, you are a good example of someone who calls other names because they expose the lies you teach. Here you call me,
"It's when you cannot get that truth (your truth of free will) through Markv's head that he turns into a junk yard dog bitting and devouring anyone" now you call me a dog devouring.
I do not believe I ever called you an animal, a fish, or anything else. But you are complete so you can say those things to others. As I said before, if you are complete and you are saved, there will be hell in heaven since you will calling them names. They are going to wish they never went to heaven all because your mouth will not shut up in heaven because as you say you are complete already.
---Mark_V. on 4/27/13


Francis.You say "No, No, No" to salvation, if there's no works of the law.

And as the law requires PERFECT obedience, then we see that YOU are thus condemned as you FAIL this perfection. You follow the ministry of condemnation/death.

BUT, for believers their faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
We BELIEVE in Jesus and thus ARE COMPLETE in him, Col 2:10. Hence nobody can charge ANY THING (even SIN/Transgression of the law/Unrighteousness) against us, Rom 8:33.

Our imperfect physical body is already dead (by faith) because of sin, Rom 8:10. And whilst our physical lifestyle often improves, our righteousness is not determined/proved by whether the imperfect physical perfectly obeys the law or not.
---Haz27 on 4/26/13


As you CAN'T mix grace with works of the law,
---Haz27 on 4/26/13

Let me see if I understand you. Are you saying that those who sare saved by grace are to:

Exodus 20:3 Have other gods besides Jehovah.
Exodus 20:4 make graven images and worship them,
Exodus 20:7 take the name of the LORD thy God in vain, .
Exodus 20:8 Disregard the sabbath day, and not keep it holy.
Exodus 20:12 Dishonour their father and mother:
Exodus 20:13 Murder.
Exodus 20:14 commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15 steal.
Exodus 20:16 bear false witness against their neighbour.
Exodus 20:17 covet

is this how you live your life as a christian?
---francis on 4/26/13




Jerry said: //Whose side are you on?//

We all know the scriptures about those who say they're on God's side, but they're not.

Those who are truly on God's side follow the ministry of the Spirit/righteousness, 2Cor 3:8-11. We obey his commandments to BELIEVE IN JESUS and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, 1John 3:23.
BUT SDAs disobey these commandments.

As you CAN'T mix grace with works of the law, Rom 11:6, then that places SDA's on the side AGAINST God, as they follow a lukewarm mix of grace and works.

SDA's fail both ways. Their works of the law for righteousness is unbelief in Jesus. AND they fail to keep the law PERFECTLY, as it requires.

God loves you. Repent and believe in Jesus.
---Haz27 on 4/26/13


No one is saved by the works of the Law. Scripture makes that perfectly clear. And to accuse me of teaching or believing we are saved by the Works of the law is a lie and slander in and of itself.

It's when you cannot get that truth through Markv's head that he turns into a junk yard dog bitting and devouring anyone who points out his lies and slander that the obvious is manifest. These kind are trained to be mean and vicious, no matter what one says.

To gossip, slander, blaspheme God's Word is of the flesh, that is our old adam nature, and is not going to get some instant cure "of perfection or completeness" at the moment of Glorification where God excuses this carnal evil behavior.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/13


Jerry, you have a right to call me whatever names your heart desires. If you have noticed, that the only one's who call me names are those who believe in salvation by works of the law. Those who claim they have free will, and that God has no right to make their decision for them. Only they get angry and call names. It doesn't suprise me. Kathr, Nana, you, francis, Gordon, Jed, and a few others. They have every excuse they can think of. Those who demand their rights, their freedom from God. And all they do is remain at emnity against God. The reason accusations are thrown my way. So go ahead, defend your rights against God. I can take it. I am not afraid of you. At least I am at peace with God.
---Mark_V. on 4/26/13


Francis. I agree. What fellowship does a believer have with an infidel?2Cor 6:14,15.
You profess to know God but by your works of the law you deny Him, Tit 1:16. Your heart is far from God and your fear is merely taught by the precepts of the likes of Ellen White, Isa 29:13

As you have turned to the law for righteouness (unbelief) you make yourself a sinner, Gal 2:18, and are condemned.

SDA doctrine of works of the law (willfull sin) in spite of knowing the gospel of Christ, has "trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace" Heb 10:29.
---Haz27 on 4/25/13


MarkV: You have been shown to be a liar and a slanderer. Perhaps when you grow up and become a Christian we can have a rational discussion.



Haz: God commands obedience to His (not man's) Law. Satan promotes disobedience to God's Law. Whose side are you on?


---jerry6593 on 4/26/13


---Haz27 on 4/25/13
Now that It is clear thatyou have no problems

1: worshiping other gods before me.
2: making graven images and bowing down to them
3: taking the name of the LORD God in vain.
4: Not keeping the sabbath day holy.
5: Dishonouring your father and mother:
6: murdering.
7: committing adultery.
8: stealing.
9: bearing false witness
10: coveting

We really do not have much to say to each other:
what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?
what communion hath light with darkness?
what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?
---francis on 4/25/13


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Francis. Being that they are part of the law of sin and death (that Christ ended, Rom 10:4), and also known as the ministry of condemnation and death (that was done away with 2Cor 3:7), we disregard them.

Instead, the commandments we obey are seen in 1John 3:23.
1:Believe in Jesus.
2:love one another.

SDA doctrine disobeys these 2 commandments above. It disobeys God's will (John 6:40).
And as SDA's turn back to the law of sin and death for righteousness, they then make themselves sinners (Gal 2:18) as they cannot keep it perfectly.
To remain following SDA doctrine of works is to fail the grace of God, Gal 5:4, Heb 12:15-17.
---Haz27 on 4/25/13


Jerry, Your silly, the Lord never mentioned Saturday, you said He did, and now you want to connect other passage, and even if you do, you do not see Saturday. Your stunt is worn out. You are apparently unable to connect two thoughts together in a logical train of thought. You say God said something, when God never said what you said. You are NOT an honest Christian, because you are still under the law.
"Therefore my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another-to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God." (Rom. 7:4).
---Mark_V. on 4/25/13


---Haz27 on 4/25/13
SIMPLE QUESTION:
As a christian, should we obey these, or disregard these:

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain, .
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother:
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet


All I need is a smple answer, we obey or we disregard one or the other
No commentary
---francis on 4/25/13


Francis. In reply to other finished blog, your false claim that Christians will run wild with bad behavior if the law is taken away, is nothing more than a deceitful ploy to lure others back under the law/unbelief with you.

Mark_V. The warnings we see in scripture against sin are about not turning back to the law for righteousness. That's how you make yourself a sinner. See Gal 2:18. This is what SDA's do.

Jerry. Note 2Pet 3:14. Believers are in peace and without spot and blameless, when we continue to believe in Jesus.
BUT those, like SDAs, who turn back to the law mixing it with grace, do so unto their own destruction (2Pet 3:16). The are unstable/double minded.
---Haz27 on 4/25/13


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Haz: Peter spoke of you:

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his {Paul's] epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The entire Bible, including the words of Jesus (Joh 8:11 .... go, and sin no more), speak of obedience to God and avoidance of sin. You teach that the law is erased, and that sin is now allowed. You are wrong. Even Paul says so:

Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.


---jerry6593 on 4/25/13


Jerry. The SDA church allows comfort in sin because they deny the work of the cross by remaining under the law to prove righteousness. Being under the law makes you a transgressor/Sinner, Gal 2:18.

BUT for believers, our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. We're justified by faith WITHOUT the deeds of the law, Rom 3:28.

And having been crucified with Christ we've "CEASED from sin", 1Pet 4:1.
Who shall lay ANY THING (which includes sin) to the charge of those God has justified? Rom 8:33.

Beware of the leaven (doctrine of works of the law, Matt 16:12) of the SDA's. It can make it's followers sinners, Gal 2:18, Gal 5:9, thus failing God's grace, Gal 5:4, Heb 12:15-17.



---Haz27 on 4/24/13


Markie: Your silly "no Saturday in the Bible" stunt is worn out. You are apparently unable to connect two thoughs together in a logical train of thought. You are NOT an honest Christian, but a deciever and a slanderer.

Now admit your slander and appologize! Otherwise, you are forever branded as a liar and a slanderer here on CN.



---jerry6593 on 4/23/13


Jerry, for your benefit I read (Exo. 20:7-11) two more times and never found the word Saturday as you said it says. Who was speaking to the people? Moses.
"So Moses went down to the people and spoke to them" (Exo. 19:25). I also looked for Saturday in Chapter 19 when God spoke to Moses and couldn't find Saturday, then went to Genesis and nothing about Saturday. If God said Saturday we would find it in many passages.
---Mark_V. on 4/23/13


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Jerry, there you go again, saying that God said it. I do not see one passage where God said, I started creation on Sunday, and rested on Saturday. Or have not found one passage where God said, the Sabbath should be a Saturday. Not one passage where God speaks those words. You said He said it, and nothing to this day. Either He said it, or He didn't.
---Mark_V. on 4/22/13


MarkV: It looks like my presumption of Christian honesty on your part was a unfounded.

To answer your question (for the nth time), God made holy and commanded worship on the seventh day of the week (Exo 20:8-11). The seventh day of the week is Saturday - whether you accept that as fact or not. Your problem is that you don't care what God said - you prefer to have it your way.

Now admit your slander and appologize!



---jerry6593 on 4/22/13


MarkV// provide one passage that stated that, or one passage where God said He started Creation on a Sunday..

While it is true that the ancient Babylonians and later the nation of Israel ALONE had a 7 day week, we can surmise that when God directed Israel when to observe the Sabbath, it did reflect the 6 day creation periods followed by His rest.

The Egyptians had a 10 days week. A weekly day of REST reflected back to the days of slavery of the Hebrew people by their Egyptian taskmasters.

It is unfortunate that there are those that would force something that was only meaningful to Israel onto the church, however, Acts 15 did not mandate such to His church.
---e.lee7537 on 4/21/13


Jerry, thank you for thanking me on my Christian honesty. I will be honest with you again. I will answer your question when you first answer the question I put to you over and over and you never answered.
You stated that God said the Sabbatth was on Saturday. I ask you to provide one passage that stated that, or one passage where God said He started Creation on a Sunday and rested Saturday, and to this day you have not provide the passages. I will wait for your answer so I can answer you.
---Mark_V. on 4/21/13


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Nice tapdance, Markie, but you are still left with your unsubstantiated slander on the table. If you are through with your childish whining, please provide the quote where Francis or I ever stated that we are holier than anyone else. If you can't find it then please have the integrity to appologize for this slander.

Thanking you so much in advance for your Christian honesty,

Jerry
---jerry6593 on 4/20/13


Jerry, you talking slander? while you slander others. sounds just like you. What else are you doing when you present the Law? That you are keeping the law and others are not. Like the self-righteous Pharisees. No different that them. Self-righteous hypocrites they were. All talk, and nothing good inside. That is my apology to you.
"You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the Law?" (Romans 2:23)
"Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God" (Romans 2:19).
---Mark_V. on 4/19/13


MarkV: "thinking of yourself more holy then [sic] others" "I do know what you are thinking, because you and francis write about it. How else would I know? I am not a mind reader."

OK, wise guy, provide the quote where Francis or I ever stated that we are holier than anyone else. If you can't find it then please have the integrity to appologize for this slander.



---jerry6593 on 4/19/13


//OK, So what should we do about these commandments, Obey or NOT OBEY?
---
Romans 13:9-10 The commandments, You shall not commit adultery, not murder, not steal, not covet, and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Why not simply replace the 10 commandments love of your neighbor. Do you NOT fulfill the law by doing just that?
---e.lee7537 on 4/18/13


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Francis: 'Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet'

Francis: do you really feel that you have NEVER coveted anything?

To follow the law, yes, but all Christians need forgiveness at some point

For something in their life

I certainly do, and it is my impression that so do you
---Peter on 4/18/13


Jerry6593 said: " You, Lee and Haz are not arguing against me, but against God Himself, and against His Law. Whose side does that place you on?"

Those who believe in Jesus are on God's side. This is the gospel of grace. This is God's will, John 6:40.

But SDA doctrine is against God as proved by it's works of the law/unbelief.

Gal 5:4
"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace".
---Haz27 on 4/18/13


Christ who fulfilled the Law of all those who belief by faith in the perfect works and resurrection of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 4/18/13
OK, So what should we do about these commandments, Obey or NOT OBEY?

Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,
Exodus 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother:
Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness
Exodus 20:17 Thou shalt not covet
---francis on 4/18/13


Jerry, you say to me,
"There you go again, presupposing to know what I'm thinking".

I do know what you are thinking, because you and francis write about it. How else would I know? I am not a mind reader. I see and read what both of you write, and it is about the Law, never about Jesus. You are stuck in your own sin and speak of others sin, when you should remove the big log in your own eyes. You are in need of Jesus Christ who fulfilled the Law of all those who belief by faith in the perfect works and resurrection of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 4/18/13


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Adventists truly believe that Christ did NOT FULFILL the law
---e.lee7537 on 4/17/13
When John baptized Jesus Matthew 3:15 in order to "fulfil all righteousness." does that mean that from that point on righteousness was done away with? Not all all, It meant to CARRY OUT COMPLETELY all righteousness

Laws fulfilled by Jesus:
EARTHLY SANCTUARTY..Hebrews 9:24 heaven itself
EARTHLY HIGH PRIEST..Hebrews 3:1 High Priest..Christ Jesus,
PASSOVER LAMB..1 Corinthians 5:7 Christ our passover
SANCTUARY VEIL..Hebrews 10:20 the veil his flesh,
SHEW BREAD..John 6:35 I am the bread
BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS.. Hebrews 9:12..his own blood
EARTHLY SANCTUARY LAMP..John 8:12 I am the light
---francis on 4/17/13


MarkV: "Jerry, in support of works of the law, and thinking of yourself more holy then [It's thAn Mark - not thEn.] others by speaking of the law you give:"

There you go again, presupposing to know what I'm thinking. I'm supporting God in the righteousness of HIS Law. He wrote it - not me! You, Lee and Haz are not arguing against me, but against God Himself, and against His Law. Whose side does that place you on?



---jerry6593 on 4/18/13


Galatians 5:22_23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

If your 'works' is just to believe, you'll fall, 2 Peter 1:9_10.
---Nana on 4/18/13


Jerry6593. You quote Jas 2:14 "What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?"

Now the works that shows our faith is to believe in Jesus, John 6:29.

SDA doctrine denies such works through it's doctrine of righteousness by works of the law.
We cannot mix grace and works of the law, Rom 11:6.

To follow SDA doctrine of works of the law shows by such dead works that they deny God.
---Haz27 on 4/17/13


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//Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

Adventists truly believe that Christ did NOT FULFILL the law and that the OT law is still binding on the Christian.

One verse that totally demolishes their belief that Jesus failed to fulfill the law is -

John 19:28 After this, Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfill the Scripture), I thirst.
---e.lee7537 on 4/17/13


Jerry, in support of works of the law, and thinking of yourself more holy then others by speaking of the law you give:
"Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
You don't understand what that action by Jesus accomplished. To 'fulfill' speaks of fulfillment in the same sense that Prophecy is fulfilled, Christ was indicating that He is the fulfillment of the law in all it's aspects. He fulfilled the moral law by keeping a perfectly. He fulfilled the law by being the embodiment of everything the law's types and symbols pointed to. And He fulfilled the judicial law by personifying God's perfect justice. Why? because no one could keep the whole law.
---Mark_V. on 4/17/13


Mark E: "Have we not learned anything from the words of Jesus?"

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


---jerry6593 on 4/16/13


God did not make any mistake when He wrote the Ten Commandments, the problem is with US - some of us just don't want to hear them!
---jerry6593 on 4/13/13

And there are many who worship the Law, judge others by the Law, and persecute others for not keeping the Law.

Have we not learned anything from the words of Jesus?

Matt 5:20 "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven"

Are you better at keeping the Law than the Pharisee?
---Mark_Eaton on 4/15/13


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Haz: "And can Christians be charged with sin/transgression of the law? ... But for believers, our faith is counted for righteousness, instead of works of the law."

Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Like left-wing liberals, you want to be judged by your feelings - your good intentions - rather than your actions. Real men take responsibility for their actions.

Rev 20:13 ... and they were judged every man according to their works.


---jerry6593 on 4/14/13


Romans 13:9 "For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, ... be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

Mark 12:28 "... Which is the first commandment of all?"
Mark 12:31 "And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."

Now, begin reading from James 2:8_12.

Therefore, ANY who sins, is guilty of the whole law.

Ephesians 2:15, do not confuse ordinances (like the washing of hands) with the law...
---Nana on 4/14/13


Jerry6593 said: "that does not negate the FACT that sin IS the transgression of the law"

And can Christians be charged with sin/transgression of the law?

Answer: No.
We're not under the law, Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 5:18, Gal 3:25, 1Tim 1:9.

What the law says it says to those under it, Rom 3:19.
Hence, it's the legalists amongst the SDAs who can be charged with sin.

But for believers, our faith is counted for righteousness, instead of works of the law.

Hence nobody (not even Satan the accuser) can charge ANYTHING (even sin) against those God has justified, Rom 8:33
---Haz27 on 4/13/13


For example, maybe, being "comfortable" to criticize God's blessing of rain . . . blaspheming the Blesser by complaining against His blessing of rain so needed on this planet, so we can have life. Actually, by being weak enough and able to do this, in our weakness we can be broken down so we can suffer emotionally . . . if we can suffer stress about being blessed!

And, like this, in other ways our sin helps maintain our weakness . . . so we are suffering, not comfortable!
---willie_c: on 4/13/13


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Mark E: "yet there are many other scriptures that tell us sin is more than a transgression of the Law:"

OK, but that does not negate the FACT that sin IS the transgression of the law - it just expands or explains it. As with all scripture, you must find the meaning that satisfies ALL scripture, or you end up with erroneous contradictions. God did not make any mistake when He wrote the Ten Commandments, the problem is with US - some of us just don't want to hear them!


---jerry6593 on 4/13/13


Tell that to John: 1Jn 3:4
---jerry6593 on 4/12/13

You use that verse because it suits your needs, yet there are many other scriptures that tell us sin is more than a transgression of the Law:

James 4:17 "Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin"

Matt 12:32 "...but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come."

1 Cor 8:12 "But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ"

Gal 3:22 "But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe"
---Mark_Eaton on 4/12/13


Hi Nana. James 4:11,12 would refer to those who preach that righteousness is judged by obedience to the law.
Your claim that it refers to me is very odd considering that I confirm Rom 4:5 that our faith is counted for righteousness, and Rom 3:28 that we're justified by faith WITHOUT the deeds of the law.

And as James 2:10 speaks of perfect obedience to the law, are you trying to say this is incorrect and that perfect obedience is not required under the law?

Also can I suggest you explain your understanding on issues you raise. You often make brief ambiguous statements that only leaves me wondering what your on about. Thanks.
---Haz27 on 4/12/13


Mark E:

//According to the Bible, sin is the transgression of the Law.
---jerry6593 on 4/11/13

I must disagree with this statement.
//


Tell that to John:

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.



---jerry6593 on 4/12/13


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James 4:11_12: "Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?"

Has27,
James 4:12 is speaking of you.
James 2:8: "If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well" The royal law pertains to all believers, be it of the Jewish religion or Christian alike (Leviticus 19:18). You misunderstand the "the law of liberty" which is spoken not only in James. Hence your misuse of James 2:10.
---Nana on 4/11/13


Hi Mark Eaton. Sin can also be defined as missing the mark. And God tells us what that mark is.
Here's examples of missing the mark.
1:Transgression of the law, 1John 3:4. Just ONE offense is missing the mark (James 2:10).
2:Unrighteousness, 1John 5:17.
3:Unbelief in Jesus, John 16:9.

And James 4:17 "good" is referring to believing in Jesus.
Note it's context.
James 4:4 shows it speaks to spiritual adulterers.
James 4:7,8 makes a salvation call to them.
James 4:12 criticizes these adulterers as they judge by works of the law.

So we see they are in sin of unbelief, John 16:9.

And the "good" we are to do is to believe in Jesus.
---Haz27 on 4/11/13


According to the Bible, sin is the transgression of the Law.
---jerry6593 on 4/11/13

I must disagree with this statement. The Law only showed us what sin was.

The definition of Hebrew root word sin is "to miss" as in to miss the mark set by God.

We "miss" by sins of commission which are likely defined codes of conduct such as the Law. But we also "miss" by sins of omission such as not loving our brother or not thinking of others more highly than ourselves. These sins of omission are exactly what is being described by this verse:

James 4:17 "Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin"
---Mark_Eaton on 4/11/13


Francis, the SDA doctrine you follow makes you a sinner as it judges by works of the law for righteousness. See Gal 2:18.

The SDA church teaches you to be comfortable in your sin as you remain under the law for righteousness. And as you fail to keep the law perfectly (James 2:10) you thus make yourself a transgressor/Sinner.

SDA doctrine denies righteousness by faith without deeds of the law, Rom 3:28. As a result you are in sin for these reasons.
You transgress the law that you bring yourself under for righteousness, 1John 3:4
Your thus unrighteous, 1John 5:17.
And being under the law your in unbelief (John 16:9) seeking to establish your own righteousness by dead works.

Repent and believe in Jesus.
---Haz27 on 4/11/13


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According to the Bible, sin is the transgression of the Law. Yet many Christians - even on Christianet - claim that they are exempt from the Law, and thus their sins are not really sinful. They twist Scripture and perform complex mental gymnastics in order to excuse their lawlessness. Worst of all, they try to convince others to join in their rebellion.



---jerry6593 on 4/11/13


what is sin in one church is not a sin in another

But sin never changes

God hates sin

Sin killed Jesus

How then can Jesus accept as holy, sanctified the very things which placed him on the cross?
---francis on 4/10/13


Do you attend a church that allows you to be comfortable in your sin?
---Alan on 6/11/06
Most churches do:

Leviticus 11:12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

Isaiah 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD
---francis on 4/10/13


I went to my Bishop telling him about my wife's hicki on her lower parts. They believe ignoring sin and declaring everyone righteous, is best, ignoring 1 Cor. 5, and 1Timothy 5-20:21....as hateful. She is shameless and denies everything highly accepted in the body!
---Doug on 4/7/13


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There is a force (the enemy) which highly despises we who understand the difference between sins of heart, and actual sins. Anger is a sin of heart, but murder is the kind of sin 1 Timothy 5:20 is speaking of. Lust is a sin of heart, but adultery is the kind of sin spoken of in 1 Timothy 5:20. Few Pastors understand 1 John 5:16-17 and therefore can't tell a stumbling Christian from a false convert. since false converts are a leaven, and true need encouragement, the church has literally "gone to the dogs". :(
---Doug on 4/7/13


Unfortunetly, I have a church like that. In fact, the adults at my church don't even seem to care about what the younger members of our church do. It is so frustrating to me! Plus, The adults say they are trying to help, but it doesn't work (and believe me, I would know!!).
---Michelle on 5/15/08


No matter how comfortable any church may make it for someone in sin, we can certainly rely on the Holy Ghost to do His job of revealing Christ and convicting the world of sin and of judgment and the believer of righteousness. Most sin is the hidden sin of the heart anyway.
---Linda6563 on 5/14/08


Many churches like to tickle peoples ears, never scare them with a ''Hell, Fire, and Brimstone message''or intimidate there precious consience, keep people nice and comftorble, don't make them afraid so that the Pastor will gain in popularity, and the offering plate will always be full. Come ""RAPTURE DAY"" I dare say, ENTIRE CHURCHES,, will find themselves...thinking themselves saved...LEFT BEHIND.
---Cynthia_1 on 5/23/07


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If any church tolerates sin in the church, that church is in the wrong. And it needs to be stopped. If I know someone is sinning, regardless if they do or not, it is my job to let them know. Not say Hey your sinning. But to go to them in love and with the right spirit. Alot of people in the church are living in sin, but as long as they have their name written down on the church's book, and go to church 2-3 times a week. Their fine with God. boy are they ever wrong.
---Rebecca_D on 5/22/07


A church allowing you to be comfortable in your sin. Hmm-m-m. Churches are so far apart now they don't even know what is going on in most of the members lives. My pastor preaches against sin. If that's what you mean. People don't even want to hug one another in church now, barely shakes hands. You cannot say what's really going on in your life. Most come to church on Sundays then leave quickly as possible. Where is the love and concern? But I try to overlook that behavior and let my light shine.
---Robyn on 5/22/07


I would never stay at such a Church. It sounds alot like the Church of the Laodiceans meantioned in Revelation. The Laodiceans rejected holiness and indulged in sin while still believing in Christ. It's what is called "turning the grace of God into lasciviousness". Those who condone such a message will face an even greater punishment than an unbeliever.
---Matthew on 5/22/07


I believe its become a way of life within the church.Think about it? What do you persue?? a big house?, Anew car?,great big fat portfolio for your retirement?ENTERTAINMENT? in almost every form you can imagine.vacations,sports,hobbies,parties,blah,blah,blah,.just one thing after the other to gratify the flesh.then we come to church on sunday and sing praises to our father.????
---tom2 on 5/22/07


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If we sin willfully, there is no forgiveness, HEBREWS 6;4-8. HEBREWS 10; 26-31. Repent, dont wait.
---winna on 8/19/06


the gospel message mainly about acceptance of jesus does have another job thru the holy spirit. to make you aware of the fact that you are a sinner. Not just to the time you accept christ ,but afterwards .churches who know people are living in sin MUST approach those people in love if after a period of time said person seems to be un repentive.scripture tells us as christians we are to confess are sins to one another,sadly that ain,t going on much in the church today. accountability is sadly lacking.
---tom2 on 7/3/06


when you allow the flesh to control your mind sin will abound.as a christian you must allow by choice to let the spirit within you control your thoughts and actions.the same spirit that raised jesus from the dead lives within you,allow it to control your life.
---tom2 on 7/3/06


I recently moved back home from taking care of my grandfather. There were many churches comfortable in their sin. They persecuted people who asked for help. The church people considered the admission of sin an embarrassment and a cue to gossip. If you associate with anyone of another denomination you are a heretic and going down the pathway to hell. I loved the people but was sad while staying there.
---amy on 6/11/06


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It's not my church that makes me feel comfortable or uncomfortable. The Holy Spirit within makes me very uncomfortable when I sin. He draws me back to Himself, when I truly repent.
---Donna2277 on 6/11/06


Yes! And I never attended a church that did not let a person be comfortable in their sins. Churches do not openly and brazenly brag about letting you be comfortable in your sins of course. A Pastor who violently disliked Freemasonry had a member of the deacons board(and a good giver(money) in his church. The man was a railroad worker. And the pastor only preached against Freemasonry when that Deacon was not in church.
---mima on 6/11/06


Actually people are leaving the church I attend because the preacher preaches so hard against sin, many get unconfortable and leave rather than repent. What a shame we have to be so careful not to offend anyone. I say preach the word and they can repent or get offended
---Rev_Herb on 6/11/06


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