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Believe In Latter Rain Movement

Do you believe in the latter rain movement?

Moderator - It is a false teaching.

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 ---alanG on 6/12/06
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If that dichotomy is not apparent you, it is to us, and we wish to help you seek wholeness in Christ.
---NoName4Now on 6/28/06

MikeM - in two years no improvement? When do you decide to forgive and let go?
---Andrea on 9/17/07


T.S. asks "moderator, why your comment on it?" That's just typical. If I don't know about it, it must be false teaching. May I suggest a Bible search on "latter rain"? I'll comment more, later (or latter-smile).
---Geoff on 9/17/07


Alan G- explain what you mean by "latter Rain" movement, and moderator, why your comment on it?
---T.S. on 9/17/07


What is it implying?
---Rickey on 3/30/07


no Name; I think you speak for your self. One of my mentors, someone names Dennis Prager stated, "Its up to the nomative group of any religion to call to question the extreme." This has not happened in this specific case here. its a pointed, concise question. I am still waiting for the answer.
---MikeM on 6/30/06




MikeM

EVERY thread here has "side issues". They all relate to the main issue. Sometimes "side issues" supercede the main topic, as is the case here.

Good people have tried to reach out to you here, pointing out how you seem to want to sew discord, but also seem to want to gain approval.

If that dichotomy is not apparent you, it is to us, and we wish to help you seek wholeness in Christ.
---NoName4Now on 6/28/06


My posts were rational. My question was realistic. It is up to the mainline of any group to call to terms the extreme in any group. I have not seen that. I am dealing with a MACRO issue here, the fallacy is AD HOMINUM, and a refusal to to deal with the issue itself, thus the ball is in their court. not mine. The question, is Latter Rain and other extreme forms of pentacostalism representitive of the extreme? Only they, the pentacostals can answer.
---MikeM on 6/26/06


Donna:

I've been lurking here. Mike's reaction is typical for an abuse victim; it takes MUCH effort to grow healthy while living in a cesspool of emotions.

In my case, I had to embrace the sharp pain of reconstruction into freedom rather than to deal with the chronic, dibilating pain of family dysfunction.

Many people pointed that out to Mike, and the ball is in his court. Nice try, though.
---NoName4Now on 6/26/06


I really bothers me that we as christians all seek the bottom line in serving christ thru the years and yet we have divided ourselves on how to go about it. The bottom line is plain and clear in the bible that we believe, accept christ and be saved. How we go about it is not so clear or we wouldn't have all theses wedges driven between us. (denominations) Where does it stop?
---dannyboy on 6/26/06


Mike M--I'm not going to discuss this any further. I can add nothing more to the answers I've already given you. If you are determined to believe that Latter Rain are representative of Pentecostals in general,go ahead. You will believe whatever you want to believe. If you are determined to hate all Pentecostals, well, that's your choice. You can even hang on to this bitterness for the rest of your life if you want to. Nobody can stop you. (By the way, Pentecostals are also Protestants)
---Donna2277 on 6/25/06




Donna; Yhey could care less about the law. They call the law the 'courts of caeser.' I am away from them now, have been for 6 years. What I note is most people here, protestant and the moderators call them extreme. What I also note is pentacostals here do NOT condemn them as extreme. I do not know if I am allowed to mention the specific church's name, in So. Ca.
---MikeM on 6/22/06


MIKEM

If you need to talk to someone who has been there, set up an email here and we can talk

Shalom,
---John_T on 6/19/06


MIKEM

Like you, I am also an abuse suvivor.

Not to sound like Pollyanna, there are several GOOD things going on here:
1) Since you are here, you have not given up on Christ
2) You are a refuge for others in the family (first born, right?)
3)You are angry about the abuse you suffered.
The latter is important because it gives a STRONG feeling of right and wrong. The downside of anger is that it is like a loaded shotgun in the hands of a toddler.
---John_T on 6/19/06


Mike #3-- If these people continually harassed you, did you consider taking out a restraining order? You seem to have become a refuge for other family members. I'm sorry that has been necessary, and glad they have a place to go. But now that you are away from that church, please don't let this issue ruin the rest of your life.
---Donna2277 on 6/19/06


Mike #2--There are lots of unaffiliated Pentecostal churches. I'm sure the main Pentecostal denominations would all say,"whoever they are they didn't come from us". The larger denominations like AOG, 4Square, and probably UPC, exercise considerable internal control and would not allow some of the things you describe. However, they wouldn't ordinarily interfere with churches not affiliated with them, unless they saw some obvious damage being done in the community.
---Donna2277 on 6/19/06


Mike--#1 That group is so off the wall, I don't think Pentecostals here know anything about them..never heard of them (until you came along on CN)). You notice a few other people wondered about "latter rain" but nobody could say what it is. You are talking about one church in California..not the Branch Davidians and David Koresh who made national news.
---Donna2277 on 6/19/06


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Donna; You are correct, one should not 'broad brush' an entire group. This is my perspective. Its up to the main group to call to task the fringe. Example, The SDA specifically condemned the Koresh, Branch Davidians, an offshoot of the SDA, as being extreme. All mainline 'normative' must call to task the extremes that may arise from their midst. But what I see here is that NO one steps to the plate to codemn what I have discribed, leaving the impression they, the pentacostals consider it normative.
---MiKeM on 6/19/06


Mike--Some people just don't volunteer to tangle with one who sounds so angry.

I'm sorry your family has been such a problem to you. But, please, don't take it out on all Pentecostals.
---Donna2277 on 6/18/06


MikeM- It could be that whenever you say you are asking "questions" the words are bristling with hostility toward Pentecostals. Sometimes I've looked back to see what questions you've asked and can find none with a "?". You don't ask questions... you issue challenges...so maybe people don't know you expect a response. Also I think a lot of Pentecostals think, "Well, MY church wouldn't do such a thing, but I don't know about others".
---Donna_2277 on 6/18/06


MikeM- It could be that whenever you say you are asking "questions" you are usually bristling with hostility toward Pentecostals. Sometimes I've looked back to see what questions you've asked and (cont)
---Donna on 6/18/06


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Donna, It only concerns me now due to we had to move 5 years ago to get away from these people and 2, so far, family members came to live with us to 'escape' all the pentacostal nonsense. They are now disowned as well, one for going to college, the other for questioning. You will note no one here has said these actions of theirs was NOT normative pentacostalism, except you and moderator. What does that say?
---MikeM on 6/18/06


MikeM--I have no idea why part of your family chose to be members of this cultic form of Pentecostalism. But in some ways, even though you left home, you are still allowing them to control you by the bitterness you hold toward them. I know you didn't ask for my advice and may even resent it. I don't mean to sound unsympathetic. But I truly believe that leaving the bitterness behind (for your own good if none other) and turning the whole thing and your family over to the Lord, would give you great freedom.
---Donna2277 on 6/15/06


2.Our only contact we have is when they place Bible verses or phamplets attacking various faiths under our door. They just disowned my niece, 20 for going to college, she now lives with us. They used to do 'Jericho Walks'-that is at night several of them would come to one of our homes, sing and dance around it. I used to hose them off. They admit staying awake at night upset that other believe different that them. They claim to be 'spirit filled,' they are full of something.
---MikeM on 6/15/06


1.Donna; In my family there are Mormons, SDA, southern Baptist,Catholics, and pentacostals. The first 4 through diverse, all love and respect each other, we NRVER discuss religion, placing family peace above doctrine. The pentacostals part broke away long ago and won't speak to 'those in cults' meaning any one not them. Half the family are recovering ex- addicts, they all happen to be the pentacostal part. A connection?
---MikeM on 6/15/06


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MikeM--yes, I meant to compliment you. You responded sensibly to a hurtful situation, even though you were very young. And you got the education you needed. Most important, you have NOT given up on God. It's tragic when people, in their disillusionment, turn against God as well as the false teachers. Your family needs lots of prayer.
---Donna2277 on 6/15/06


I've been trying to find information on specific doctrines of the "Latter Rain Movement" but cannot. Reportedly, they are a group of pentecostals who rely primarily on experience rather than Scripture. They place great importance on "signs" "visions" "dreams" and the words of local church "prophets". With this emphasis, the power and personalities of the leaders can make the movement almost cultic.
---Donna2277 on 6/15/06


"But you are a good example of why it didn't last" I think thats a complement. I was 16 when I left in 1986. Youths were always being thrown out. The ones involved in drugs, booze, sex, etc. if they repented were to return. The youths who questioned were given a one way ticket, rendering thinking more immoral than drugs, booze, sex, etc. My family is slowly, painfully leaving that autocratic lifestyle. The problem they throw out the baby with the bathwater, meaning they give up on God as well.
---MikeM on 6/14/06


MikeM--If I'm not mistaken,"the shepherding movement" has nearly died out. It was somewhat popular 20 yrs. ago. But you are a good example of why it didn't last. The "latter rain" is a false teaching that seems to surface every so often too. I have a friend who took over the pastorate of a church infected by it years ago. I need to ask him again for the particulars.
---Donna2277 on 6/14/06


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Latter rain? That is the name of the movement much of my ex-family belonged to. They were pentacostal, and very authortarian. They were connected with the 'sheperding movement.' their theology was a non-theology, that is the leader spoke, you listened and did whatever he said, period. They were rabidly anti-education, (except for trade school) which was not tolerated, expecially for women. this infromation is from when I was 16, 20 years ago, so much may have changed.
---MikeM on 6/14/06


Are you trying to say latter day saints???
---tom2 on 6/13/06


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