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What Is Sanctification

My pastor often preaches on sanctification. He denies that he is a "sinner saved by grace," and says that sanctification means that he does not sin. I disagree because of Paul's statements in Romans 7. I think sanctification is ongoing, only completed in Glory. What are your opinions?

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Duane, I'm Mark, born of the Spirit in Christ, I do have corrupt flesh that will die, for all of us will die, but the Spirit will remain alive until the day of the Resurrection when the Spirit and the body combine in what is called glorification. Though I'm righteous in the eyes of God through the imputation of Christ's righteousness not of my own righteous works. There is only one of me, who possess the Spirit and the flesh. And until I die, I will possess this flesh, and it will make war against the Spirit (new creation in me) during my life, but I'm assured that in the end when we are resurrected I will become incorruptable because the consumation of my salvation will be complete for all eternity.
---Mark_V. on 6/30/11

But Mark,
Who is you? Are you a child of God, born again of the Spirit with Christ in you?
This is your identity, NOT corrupt flesh that will die.
A Christian is who we are, made righteous. There is only one of us now, not saint and sinner. The old is gone.
---duane on 6/30/11

CraigA said "Stop looking for a reason to judge and learn to love."

Perhaps you misunderstand my post as your claim above has no relevance to my earlier post nor my beliefs. It's easy to misunderstand others on blogs.

As for 1Pet4:18 "If the righteous scarcely be saved where shall the ungodly and sinner appear".
Clearly 2 different groups here.
Group 1: Righteous
Group 2: Ungodly/Sinner
You CANNOT be both.

Also see 1Tim1:9
"the law is not made for a righteous man, but for...ungodly and sinners".
Again we see you are either righteous OR a sinner.

Remember John8:36 "if the Son makes you free you shall be free indeed".
---Haz27 on 6/30/11

Duane, I'm positive you are not a "Spirit" but a person with flesh and blood pushing the buttons to your computer to proof that you are still sinless. But that only tells me that you still have a body. And by having a body made of flesh, you are still corrupt and a sinner. For the body has not been redeemed and it battles with the Spirit.
That body will not go away until the resurrection. "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.." ( 1 Cor. 15:53,54
Since you have not died, and the resurrection has not happen yet, you are not incorruptable and perfect. As I said before, you can say you are sinless but all those who know Scripture know you are wrong.
---Mark_V. on 6/30/11

--1Pet4:18 tells us you are EITHER righteous OR a sinner.
You CANNOT be both.
---Haz27 on 6/29/11

Not true.

1 John 2:1

1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Would he say "IF" if it werent possible for those reborn to still sin?

Its not always black or white. Stop looking for a reason to judge and learn to love. You have no place to do so. Not even our Savior came to judge. He came to show mercy and save. Shouldnt we be doing the same thing?
---CraigA on 6/29/11

The scriptures you quoted refer to those without Christ.

But believers are born of God 1John5:1 and cannot sin 1John3:9

You claim that believers are sinners hence they have not been cleansed of sin but remember Acts10:15 where God said to Peter "What God has cleansed, that call thou not common".
As 1John1:7 says "the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin".

1Pet4:18 tells us you are EITHER righteous OR a sinner.
You CANNOT be both.
---Haz27 on 6/29/11

If I believed I was a sinner, then I would be of Satan. I was born again and made righteous. My identity is now righteous child of God. My identity is NOT sinner child of Satan.
---duane on 6/29/11

Duane, it's sad that you do not believe you are a sinner as Scripture declares. Jesus came to set us free from the slavery of sin and to forgive our rebellion against God to save us.
1. 1 Chron. 6:36 ...for there is no man who does not sin.. compare to 1 Kings 8:46.
2. Job. 15:14-16 "What is man, that he can be clean? Or he that is born of a woman, that he can be righteous? Behold, God puts no trust in his holy ones, and the heavens are not clean in His sight:"
3. Psa. 143:2. "Enter not into judgment with they servant, for no man living is righteous before Thee"
4. Proverbs 20:9, "Who can say, "I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?" You say you are.
---Mark_V. on 6/28/11

Jesus came to set men free from sin, NOT to leave men in sin. We WERE sinners and are now without sin through Christ, therefore saved by grace.
There is NO salvation for the sinner, ever....
HE came to put away sin but some just wont believe it. How sad is that?
---duane on 6/28/11

melissa, you may disagree with your pastor and you may disagree with the Bible and you amy disagree with the Truth, for many people disagree with the Truth, but inspite of your disagreement the Truth stands.
---Eloy on 6/27/11

To be sanctified is to be set apart and made holy unto the Lord by the Spirit of God and the blood of the cross.
Jesus said sanctify them by thy truth and thy word is truth. He also said he sanctifies himself so they can be sanctified by the truth. He is the way, the truth and the life.
We are sanctified through Christ, the one mediator between man and God.
---Del on 6/23/11

Melissa, I don't know if you are still around but your pastor is totally wrong. If he is not a sinner saved by Grace, then what was he before he was saved? Just nonesense. Another nonesense is that he claims he does not sin. All come short of the glory of God. Everyone. James also says, "But no man can tame the tongue. It is unruly evil, full of deadly poison" That means everyone. If no man can tame it then no one is sinless. At some point or another the tongue will speak evil against someone. A person would have to be perfected already in order to be sinless. And no one is. Glorification has not occured. While alive, the flesh will battle the new creation in the believer.
---Mark_V. on 6/23/11

"Truly, truly I say to you, saints are not sinners, and sinners are not saints: the sheep are not the goats, and the goats are not the sheep: the wheat are not the tares, and the tares are not the wheat: people do not gather grapes from thorns, nor figs from thistles, says the Lord, for you all will know them by their fruits."
---Eloy on 6/23/11

We are sanctified when we learn, practice and live the truth that Jesus Christ taught. John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth, thy word is truth." and John 17:19 "And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth". This should make it very clear that we are sanctified through the truth. Learning the truth is an ongoing process.

Your pastor sounds like a wise man. Jesus never taught salvation by grace. That is a lie told by Paul. John 10:5.
---barb on 6/22/11

Sanctification is being set aside for holy, or for the use of God, by the word of God. It occurs on a daily bases, and is based on our obedience of God / Gods word.
John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
---francis on 6/20/11

In salvation we are separated from the world, but our hearts retain some impurities such as pride. This propensity towards sinfulness that remains is called "carnality" or "the old man".

Virtually unknown these days is a second work of grace that removes all this. This "entire sanctification" separates us unto Him so that no disharmony remains between us and our Lord.

Growth is often claimed to be the way to this. Growth happens before and after, but the actual work happens in a "moment of time", just as your salvation did.
Tom Plumb
---Tom_Plumb on 6/20/11

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I think most people agree that sin separates us from God, and that the Lord Jesus died for us on the cross for forgiveness of our sins:

2 Corinthians 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us so that in him we might become the righteousness of God [through the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit].

Without the forgiveness of sins, the presence of the Lord in the person of the Holy Spirit is impossible. Without the Holy Spirit, it is impossible to come into agreement with God through the renewing of our minds. If our minds are not renewed, it is impossible to bear fruit (peace, love, joy, patience, etc) and build a relationship with God. continued..
---ajm on 7/12/08

There are two aspects to sanctification.
The first is that we have been chosen by God before the foundation of the world to be sanctified (set apart to God for salvation) by the Holy Ghost - 2Thes 2:13, Rom 15:16, 1Pet 1:2.

The second aspect of sanctification is an ongoing process as mentioned by others. It is a seperation of the believer from evil 1 Thes 4:3-7, Eph 4:20-24.

Note that sanctification is taught by the Holy Spirit.

Sanctification begins with the Holy Spirit.
---trey on 4/17/08

Your last statement is correct- it IS an on-going process. But, not a very good question to ask on THIS website- most of these bloggers think when someone mentions the word SANCTIFICATION that you believe in a WORKS DOCTRINE. Very few I've conversed with on here believe in leaving worldly lifestyles behind and pursuing holiness
---TS on 4/9/08

Sanctification is the Divine quality of perfection of the human soul, whereby it participates in the nature & life of God & is made to resemble him as HE is;it elevates man's nature to be like God & think like Him& to will as He wills.It is absolutely necessary for Salvation.It is a special GRACE.
---Emcee on 7/4/06

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Donna - Thanks. That is a very good point. I much prefer honesty from the pulpit to "holier than thou." I like to hear someone preach about where they came from and what Jesus helped them to overcome, rather than preaching from a point of view of "perfection."
---melissa on 6/14/06

melissa, most here have given good definitions of Sanctification. It is a process you go through from Glory to Glory, change to change, onto a life of Holiness unto the Lord.

But I want to address what your pastor said that he says sanct. means he doesn't sin. Ask him what about the scripture in 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
---Donna9759 on 6/14/06

As your earthly birth was an occurence not ongoing, so too being born-again is also an occurence. "So that if anyone in Christ, a new Creation: the old things passed away; here, all things have become new. Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your entire spirit and life and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. For by one offering he has perfected for ever them that are sanctified." II Corinthians 5:17; I Thessalonians 5:23; Hebrews 10:14.
---Eloy on 6/14/06

Sanctification is the on-going process of holiness in my life. It is brought about by the Holy Spirit through Jesus' finished work on the Cross. Sanctification means that I am set apart to the Lord.
---Helen_5378 on 6/13/06

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I am sanctified. That means set apart. Seperated. We are sanctified when we are saved. We are all sinners saved by grace. The born again soul never sins, but this body was not born again.
---Rev_Herb on 6/13/06

If you read the question asked here , seems not many are engaged in the process by the topics being asked.
---tom2 on 6/13/06

ts, sounds like the holy spirits work in a life.leaving behind the things of the old nature{wordly ways } and persuing the ways of jesus{new creation lifstyle}if most here don,t believe this they are lost.santification is a changed lifestyle growing more and more like our lord as time goes by.
---tom2 on 6/13/06

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