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God does not reveal all in the bible for the very reason that he wants us to believe without knowing everything. It would not be a test if we knew all the answers:)
Think about the following questions below:
Why do so many people see angels, Jesus, miracles.
Where does our minds come from if there is no God? We create very intense things, just like our creator does.
There is historical proof of things from the bible.
Before I knew a certain verse in the bible, God revealed it to me in a dream. How can you explain dreams?
There are answers that reveal there is a God,and our minds did not just happen by a blast.
Try looking for the positives and not the negatives and then God will reveal himself to you.

God Bless!!!
---Kim on 9/9/08


UK Alan, hang in there. Charity is everything when dealing with a lot of these bloggers. They don't know the importance of it as described in 1.Cor.13. I think you do pretty well yourself. Blessings.
---InimicusStultitiae on 2/20/08


Mark ... On the previous occasion yuo insisted that I denied the Sovereignty of God. I had in fact confirmed by beleif in the Sovereignty of God. But you refused to justify or withdraw.
I see no point in continuing with this discussion, with either you ot Jerry, for you both employ those same tactics.
---alan_of_UK on 2/20/08


Alan, first, I do my best to study at least 6 hours a day. I have taken classes on intepretation. I am following what I said. I am not calling you a liar because you said what you did. Your are just wrong. Throwing stones is not been a liar, all it means is that you like throwing stone
Second, I stop answering you because you take every word and come to a different conclusion about what others say. I don't agree with everything Jerry believes, but he has answered you correctly.
---Mark_V. on 2/20/08


#2. Alan: Jerry answered you and you call him a liar. If you read what he wrote to you, you will see it was a question. Hello? He was asking you a question. All you had to was answer. He was not speaking lies as you see. You took it as such. Just as you always do.
Third, you have gotten angry at many since I have been on line. You call those liar's because they speak falsely against you, attacking your integrity. I have provided you with Scriptures and gave you explanations,
---Mark_V. on 2/20/08




#3. Alan: you don't answer my explanation but give me more opinions. then you get your feelings hurt and I make a decision not to respond to you out of respect not to hurt your feelings, but in my answers to others you throw stones from far off, wanting me to respond. Why? If you are going to cry with every answer. You are a grown man about my age, and we know neither of us knows everything, but the difference is that I believe in the Word of God. I don't question the Validty of God's Word.
---Mark_V. on 2/20/08


#4. Alan: I believe it with my heart. I might not understand a lot of things but when I run into problems I do my best to find the answers by studying. You and about four others who are not Catholic question the validty of Scripture. Even if they are minor issues. I am not lying about that, cause your answers give proof of that. You are more worried about your integrity. Jerry did nothing wrong. This problem is your problem Alan, and you have to mellow down and get a grip of yourself.
---Mark_V. on 2/20/08


Alan: Nice tap dance. Now please answer these questions directly:

1) Do you believe the 10C to be allegorical, metaphorical or literal?

2) If you do not believe them to be literal, then do you feel the need to obey them in order to avoid sinning?

3) If you believe they are indeed literal, then why do you not believe in the 6-day creation which they contain?
---jerry6593 on 2/20/08


Alan: Do you call the following scripture an allegory or a metaphor? If so, upon what basis do you make such a determination?

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is
--jerry6593 on 2/8/08

Jerry ... Why do you want to know that? It may be.
---alan_of_UK on 2/8/08

Alan: "IT MAY BE" is sufficient cause for anyone to question your belief in the 10C.
---jerry6593 on 2/20/08


Jerry ... You know very well that I did not say that the 10 Commandments were allegorical
It is not difficult to read through the typos, and know that I said "Moses used the phrase to emphasise that God gave him the commandments"
When I say "God gave him the commandments", it does not take a clever man to realise that I mean "God gave him the commandments"
And you are very clever, so I have to beleive that you deliberately misrepresented me.
---alan_of_UK on 2/19/08




Mark ...These are the parts of your post fromm which you could possibly learn:
"At no time does anyone know everything there is to know...Sometimes things are not clear ... God does not reveal everything to us right away. We need to learn how to interpret"
Mark do you recall the things that led up to yuo deciding not to use my name when you are addressing me? It was the occasion when you made false statements (lying) about what I had said .. in fact doing exactly what Jerry is doing now.
---alan_of_UK on 2/19/08


Jerry ... "Alan: Then am I to understand that you think the Ten Commandments are allegorical because you think God's finger is allegorical?"
That is perhaps the most dishonest misrepresentation that I have seen of what anyone has said here
---alan_of_UK on 2/18/08

Jerry ...
I don't think God actually wrote it with a physical finger ...
The God's finger is allegorical,
---alan_of_UK on 2/17/08

Who's dishonest here?
---jerry6593 on 2/19/08


MarkV ... Not angry, just sad that some "Christians" should use dishonest tactics.
It is one iof the tenets of Communism that lies can be told and any kind f deceit is OK if it helps the communist cause.
The same princilpe is, I am told, in the Koran,
But I have never seen it mentioned in the BIble.
---alan_of_UK on 2/19/08


Alan, since you brought it out, what is in my post that you say is right that I don't do? Can you be more specific since you throw stones from far off. I didn't mentioned your name. I do my best not to. You also said what I said was true, if it is true way don't you believe it? "Why do you question the very Word of God that Christ Himself give's full authenticity to? If He is your Lord and you are suppose to believe in Him, why don't you? Why do you argue against Him?
---Mark_V. on 2/18/08


There's people who like to answer against the very Word of God. When someone responds to them, they get angry and call others liars and trouble makers. They get their feelings hurt and their feelings are more important then the truth. They want people to like them no matter what they say about the Word of God. They want to be accepted, and liked. Well nice guys without faith are not making the cut. They need faith in the Word, for God is the Author of the Word.
---Mark_V. on 2/18/08


Jerry ... "Alan: Then am I to understand that you think the Ten Commandments are allegorical because you think God's finger is allegorica"
That is perhaps the most dishonest misrepresentation that I have seen of what anyone has said here
---alan_of_UK on 2/18/08


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Frances ... The slander I was referring to was the slander against myself, in your accusation "Was God not literal in commanding us not to murder? I think you would like to believe it, Alan" ... i.e. that I wanted to be free from the probition of murder.
And now you make the same accusation "You would like to be let off the Ten Commandments cos they stop you from killing people"
Those Frances are not misquotes, they are directly copied & pasted from your posts
---alan_of_UK on 2/18/08


You are the one who misquotes people in your own interest Alan of UK. The Accuser par excellence. Now accusing me of slander. It could not be anything to do with me being the one to expose the Jesuits. Nah....
---frances on 2/18/08


Look in the mirror, Alanof Uk. The person you see, ask him if he is a loyal British subject or an agent of Rome determined to throw dust in everyones' eyes, and whenever the truth is proclaimed, you make complete jokes about it, trying to dis the truth teller. You ask for sources but never go to any of them. They are all out there if you just google the events.
---frances on 2/18/08


Frances ... I really must ask you to stop the slander & libel.
I have NEVER said anything about disobeying any of the 10 Commandments, so I do not want to murder, nor destroy anyone's character (that seems to be your forte)
& I am not MikeM, nor anyone else
---alan_of_UK on 2/18/08


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Alan: Then am I to understand that you think the Ten Commandments are allegorical because you think God's finger is allegorical????? Do you have any idea where such mental gymnastics will take you?
---jerry6593 on 2/18/08


Mark V You are so right in all you say in those 3 posts.
What surprises me is that there is so much in them that you do not take on board for yourself
---alan_of_UK on 2/18/08


Alan of Uk, and persons, you really should not second guess God. Either you believe in him and accept ALL his Commandments under the Covenant, or you are a fake Christian, coming along for the joy of teasing real Christians. Shortlived joy, but anyhow, you have your fun. You would like to be let off the Ten Commandments cos they stop you from killing people, or destroying their characters, which is much the same. Enjoy.
---frances on 2/17/08


Mike M, or Alan, or whatever personas you are, I do suffer from shortsightedness. I had it many years. Decades actually. I still have it. But God supplied me with modern technology. A pair of glasses. Suddenly I could see correctly. I still have short sight. But I have my glasses by me all the time. It is called the Bible.
---frances on 2/17/08


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When a person truely loves the Lord Jesus Christ with all of his heart, soul and mind he does not question whether God is right or not. He might not undestand something or might not know how to find an answer to something but he knows in his heart it is true, not because we say it is, because God said it is. All Christians make a commitment to Christ in the beginning not knowing lots of things. But by faith they begin to learn. They want to have a more intimate love for Christ.
---Mark_V. on 2/17/08


#2. It is when our faith is tested that we learn more about God. Are we willing to obey Him by faith? When our faith is not tested by trials, that faith is not reliable. At no time does anyone know everything there is to know. Sometimes things are not clear and many times they are. God does not reveal everything to us right away. So we find anyway possible to get answers to questions we have. If it takes for us to get whatever material will help us to answer, we will make the effort.
---Mark_V. on 2/17/08


#3. Scripture is to be believe by all Christians, it is not an option. We need to learn how to interpret, we need to know the languages spoken when the passage was given, What was happening at that time, to whom was the passage spoken to, what Covenant was involve, without prejudice. And then take that information and use it. Many speak without even looking for an answer. They put no effort in learning about God. not one ioda. And then argue for their own cause, and not for the Truth.
---Mark_V. on 2/17/08


Jerry ... But notice my use of the words "I don't think ... "
Unlike some, I am not so arrogant as to insist that I am correct
---alan_of_UK on 2/17/08


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Jerry ... You are going round in circles.
I don't think God actually wrote it with a physical finger ...
The God's finger is allegorical, and Moses used the phrase to emphasise that Gd gave hinm the commandments
---alan_of_UK on 2/17/08


Warwick my last sentence "And why do you think approve of murder?" was a typo, and should ahve read "And why do you think I approve of murder?"
It was addressed to Frances in response to her GROSS INSULT "Was God not literal in commanding us not to murder? I think you would like to believe it"
---alan_of_UK on 2/17/08


Frances' I have studied the history of the RCC. They have blood on their hands, lots of it, but so do protestants, your myopia is the undoing of your argument. Example, You as a Baptist/fundamentalist arrived in puratin new England, what would have happened to you? A 'suspended' sentence or BBQ. From Europe to the new world, religion was a tool in the hands of ruthless dictaters and corrupt kings. Thats reason 293# why I accept neither tradition as representing Christ.
---MikeM on 2/17/08


Alan, study the history of Catholicism. I don't expect you or I ought to feel guilty on their behalf, but they have a lot to answer for. Always the people could be sacrificed (even loads of Catholics) for the 'ends' which are always justified in the Church's warped view of the world.
---frances on 2/16/08


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Alan: Are you there? Or did you bail out with Mike M?
---jerry6593 on 2/16/08


Exo 31:18 And he [God] gave unto Moses,....two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Alan: You're dodging the question! Now, what is there about the language used in God's personal writing in stone that gives you reason to believe it was allegorical or metaphorical????
---jerry6593 on 2/11/08


Alan it doesnt 'have' to be literal it just appears so, and I see no reason why it cannot be.

Some here approach Scripture with extra-Biblical ideas i.e. belief in evolution and are therefore forced to reinterpret Scripture away from its obvious meaning. 'It can't be literal as it conflicts with my world-view!'

I have no problems with that which isn't literal, such as the parables. But they are obviously parables aren't they?

What does your last sentence mean?
---Warwick on 2/10/08


Frances ... Of course the commandment is literal, even if maybe Moses inscribed the stone following god's instruction.
I think the idea of God's own finger doing it is allegorical (and if it is why worry, the commands are still as valid and God given)
And why do you think approve of murder?
---alan_of_UK on 2/10/08


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Was God not literal in commanding us not to murder? I think you would like to believe it, Alan. And so would the Vatican with their murdrous agenda. The Pope wrote an encyclical that says the planet is overcrowded. Why does he not commit suicide in the interest of the planet? And he could tell the Jesuits to join him.
---frances on 2/9/08


oh yea.you forgot one thing.theres a place for the scientist who judge gods creation thru darwin.they believe monkeys are in charge after they evolve into supreme beings.
---tom2 on 2/9/08


Alan: Quite correct! The creation scripture I quoted (Exo 20:11) is taken from the very heart of the Sabbath Commandment, one of the Ten written by God with His own finger in stone.

Now, what is there about the language used in God's personal writing in stone that gives you reason to believe it was allegorical or metaphorical?
---jerry6593 on 2/9/08


"God's personal writing in stone"
I thought that was the 10 Commandments?
---alan_of_UK on 2/9/08


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Warwick "on what basis can you say Satan didn't have the power to project images, that this was not literal?"

Why does it need to be literal?
Are you afraid of anything that is not literal?
Finally, I never said that, so you join the band of false witnesses. It's OK isn't it to misrepresent your "opponent" as long as you manage to discredit him?
---alan_of_UK on 2/9/08


Warwick ... Why do you remind me so early ... you could have allowed me a couple of days to reply, instead of reminding on the SAME DAY that Jerry asked the question.
But in any case, I answered immediately.
---alan_of_UK on 2/9/08


Alan as regards Satan, Jesus, and the kingdoms, on what basis can you say Satan didn't have the power to project images, that this was not literal? I don't believe you have met him!

Alan 24hr days were made for man, not God, who is outside of time. He informed His people-work six, rest 7th. What, work 6,000yrs and rest 1,000? Plainly ridiculous, and you know it. I think you're just a pommy stirrer-get more sun!
---Warwick on 2/9/08


Alan: "Jerry ... Why do you want to know that?

Why do you want to know why I want to know?

"It may be."

What is there about the language used in God's personal writing in stone that gives you reason to believe it's allegorical or metaphorical?
---jerry6593 on 2/9/08


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Mikie: It seems that your dual creation myth is at odds with your evolution myth. You should allow for an infinite number of creation stories to coincide with the darwinian concept of infinite, random inter-species variations. Oh! That's right! Those don't exist either!
---jerry6593 on 2/9/08


Yes, some of the readers are aware of numbers having meanings in numerology and witchcraft and also tradition. But if God did create the world in six days, by what language would you describe 'six' without using something that you say has other meanings. See, I am not the conspiracy theorist, it is these unbelievers who now say the Bible is occultic numerology.
---frances on 2/9/08


There is no way to describe 'six' other than using numbers. Now, in chronology, we could say Creationists believe God was here before the world, before witches, occult, etc, before numerology. So God is not a Conspiracy, or invention, but He came first and people interpreted it in the light of numerology, which came later. It being the Word.
---frances on 2/9/08


a) MikeM

1) Its best to read the Bible before making comments-Genesis 1:3 'God said let there be light and there was light.' Then vs. 5 'and there was evening and there was morning-the first day.' 'Evening', (dark bit), 'morning' (light bit). Light because he had created light.

All that's needed for a day is a light source plus rotating earth.

2) Yom in Hebrew (as in English, French, German etc) when accompanied with an ordinal means 24 hour day.
---Warwick on 2/9/08


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b) MikeM

3)In speaking of Christian marriage Jesus the Creator, in a unique position to know, quoted from Genesis 1:27 & 2:24 with nary a hint of 2 conflicting creation stories. Mike, I and all followers of Christ will believe Him over any cultic anti-Biblical activist any day.

4) Mike, as regards 6 being a metaphorical number in Hebrew please explain metaphorical in this context, using the dictionary meaning of metaphorical. This makes no sense to me.
---Warwick on 2/9/08


Amen, BarbaraNV
---Joe on 2/8/08


I recovered early, Warwick. Alan, if you look at the other threads, believes men MORE than God. Keep up the good work Warwick. I am praying for you.
---frances on 2/8/08


william,the bible tells us that god spoke everything into existance,and that he formed man from the dust of the earth and breathed into him the breathe of life.later when a suitable companion could not be found he caused a deep sleep to come upon adam and removed a rib and made eve,so that woman would be made from man and be subject to man.god used nothing the bible says everything we see was made from things not seen.
---tom2 on 2/8/08


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Alan Jerry wrote:

'Alan: Do you call the following scripture an allegory or a metaphor? If so, upon what basis do you make such a determination?

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is.'

I think that this is a perfectly reasonable question considering what you have written and the questions you have asked.

We are waiting!
---Warwick on 2/8/08


Alan I look forward to your answer to Jerry's question. We are all watching, don't do a MikeM and bail!

BTW I posted 3 sequential blogs to you yesterday but somehow they ended up all over the place. You will surely find them with a little searching.
---Warwick on 2/8/08


Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is

1. The sun was created on the 4th day, so how long were the 'first days?

2. Is 'YOM' in Hebrew to be calibrated as a 24 hour day?

3, No matter how much it is denied, there are 2 creation stories spliced together.

4. 6 is a metaphorical number, as are all numbers in Hebrew. Each number has a meaning.
---MikeM on 2/8/08


Warwick,

As I said if you say you believe because you believe, that's good enough for me. Believing in creation or accepting evolutionary theory are both acts of faith. I do not think one can "prove" one or the other by any means. It's a decision of what seems reasonable and then faith steps in.

For that matter, I cannot prove that I exist or the world around me exists. I could be pure thought,the world a vivid dream. That's not reasonable to me. So by faith, I conclude that I am.
---matthew on 2/8/08


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The fact that the human mind can formulate this question is in/and of itself miraculous. God's creation (the earth and all that is in it, around it, and above it, and below it was brought about by God's Word. When God speaks nothing leaps into substance(something). My what a marvelous God we have Thank you Father for sending your son!!!!! To redeem us back if we will but ask.
---mima on 2/8/08


Sorry, Warwick, I see you had answered my question about the temptation at the high place.
So Satan showed Jesus maybe an allegorical picture of all those kingdoms.
But probably he said to Jesus, "You know what all the kingdoms are ... as You know there are many more than You can see. You can have them, if ..."
If you don't understand that this fits exactly, but not literally, with what the Bible says, your understanding of language is inadequate.
---alan_of_UK on 2/8/08


Warwick, about the 6 days ... there has been talk about the speed of light varying.
Now if God, who made everything, is able to vary the speed of light, He is able to vary the speed of time.
And the Bible does say that our day is not the same as God's ... it can be as a thousand, or God's day can be a thousand of ours. In fact, His time is nothing like ours at all.
And the world was made in His time, and using His methods, none of which any of us fully understand ... if we did, we would be God
---alan_of_UK on 2/8/08


Jerry ... Why do you want to know that? It may be.
---alan_of_UK on 2/8/08


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American fundamentalism is 100 years old. There are 2 branches, Pentecostalism, and fundamentalism. creationism is a side product of fundamentalism, which in of itself was a intransigent force against what was once called 'modernism,' meaning the influence of 3 perceived malevolent Europeans Freud, Darwin, and Marx, side note, ever notice in 'scary films' pre-WW2 ALL the menacing monsters were European, coming to America to wreck havoc?
---MikeM on 2/8/08


Back to the original question: I believe the bible which states that God spoke the planet into being.
---NVBarbara on 2/8/08


The Holy Spirit moved [vibrated] upon the earth. From this Omnipotent, vibrating energy source began to flow our energy waves-waves of heat and sound magnetism thus, the created universe was energized. The earth rotating on its axis also began at this time. Both energy and matter were now present in the space.>>>Some mistakenly believe that the Holy Spirit first came to earth at Pentecost in Acts 2, and that He will leave at the rapture. But here He is pictured in the second verse in the Bible.
---catherine on 2/8/08


Alan: Do you call the following scripture an allegory or a metaphor? If so, upon what basis do you make such a determination?

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is
---jerry6593 on 2/8/08


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b) God defined 'day' in Genesis one-night followed by morning. It only fits with an earth-rotation day. In Hebrew whenever 'day' is connected to an ordinal it always means earth-rotation day. God then uses 'day' in Exodus ch. 19 telling the people to wash themselves, have no sex, then meet with him on the morning (there's the light bit) of the third (there's the ordinal) day.

If day was a long period who would be there to meet with God?
---Warwick on 2/7/08


c) Scripture says -that which isn't of faith is sin, and Peter says it's by faith we understand the world was created of old.

Your refusal to believe what God plainly says means you pick and choose what you accept and this isn't a position of faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God or be saved.

I have asked you many times to give Biblical support for your long days. No answer! It seems you trust man as much as God.
---Warwick on 2/7/08


I believe that mainstream science has already proven creation, they just won't accept it. I spent a weekend with one of Einstein's trusted students. He had Einstein's model of the universe. This individual stated that the last theory to be proven was that time was not constant.
---dan on 2/8/08


2 - Einstein theorized that time a one point about 10k years ago was instantaneous, the day God created the universe, sun, moon, and stars. As light travels a curved path in space and not a straight line leading to a misreading of speed. Maybe one day it will be proved.
---dan on 2/8/08


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Warwick ... Now you are back on the thread, perhaps ypu can answer my question?
---alan_of_UK on 2/8/08


a) Matthew-mistaken identity. On 25/1 Mickey wrote- I responded with a few questions, the same day. He bailed so maybe Mickey is chief bailer MikeM?

On 28/1 you posed a question ' Well, on what basis do you claim that it is?' I got Mickey & Matthew confused so asked (28 & 29/1) why you hadn't answered my question.

My original question was posed to Mickey well aware no one can beyond a doubt, prove God exists.
---Warwick on 2/7/08


b) Matthew also well aware those who trust 'science'-as if it disproves Scripture-are equally unable to prove God doesn't exist, by the scientific method.

Ultimately what we hold as truth about origins is by faith. I believe Scripture to be the accurate record of history firstly because of the lack of a viable alternative. Secondly when I read Scripture and view what it says about the world I see it fits. Conversely being well read on evolutionary belief I find it implausible.
---Warwick on 2/7/08


c) So Matthew sorry for my mistake I must be more careful in future. I trust you understand I asked the original question of Mickey in the hope I may demonstrate that both sides hold their view by faith.

I would add that my view comes with a great pension plan- forgiveness & eternal life. I have lost nothing if at life's end I discover I was wrong. But you Matthew will conversely have lost everything.
---Warwick on 2/7/08


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a)Alan Matt. 4.8 says Satan took Jesus to a very high mountain and showed him the kingdoms of the world. As we don't know what Satan's abilities are we can't rightly say he didn't create images of them for Jesus to see, a real PowerPoint show. But how he did it is academic, surely?

Being a daily reader of literature-classics to crime-I'm well aware of metaphor, allegory, sarcasm, alliteration, simile, et al. I see none here.
---Warwick on 2/7/08


Warwick,

Here's the lost thread.
---matthew on 2/7/08


There might be different views from people, of course, people are fallible. There is no contradictions in Scripture, because God does not lie. If someone has a problem in understanding Scripture, it could be they are not saved, and don't have the Holy Spirit to illuminate the Word, are they are refusing to walk in the Spirit because of a sin in their lives. Whatever the case may be, God's true word does not contradict. People contradict with their carnal views. God doesn't make mistakes people do.
---Mark_V. on 1/31/08


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