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ChristiaNet's Apostate Ecards

How many of you have seen ChristiaNet's new Apostate Church ecard collection? Looks like these ecards make the point.

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Once, as a new Christian, in my enthusiasm I would beat people over the head with the Bible until they saw things my way. A wise elder showed me Eph 4:15, wherein we are told not only to speak the truth, but to do it in LOVE. It changed my approach to Christian witnessing. Much that the ChristiaNet Mods teach is truth, and occassionally it runs afoul of the scriptures, but the Love Factor needs improvement. The penchant for calling other Christians cult members and publically demeaning them is not of Christ.
---jerry6593 on 1/12/08

Alan, read this blog carefully, from start to finish. You will see Morris.
---Dorothy on 6/7/07

To be truthful a lot of ecards are sent via email and many of the time it's the same one time and time again sometimes to the point of annoyance.
---Carla5754 on 4/24/07

Another 'Bob' ghost writer. Well, at least They quoted the scripture right!

And the beat goes on. If these Bob's are ghost writers, it's good news of sorts, as you can only counterfeit originals or the real thing, "rest assured, your sins will find you out"!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 12/30/06

Bob,You said: *Most of the argument over there is plagiarism, which destroys any integrity you were trying to build*.
Yes,I can see that has happened, and have also stated most,are living their salvation,or lack thereof vicariously through the works of their GIANTS of faith, and have nothing "WITHIN THEMSELVES" to flow out of their own belly except the stale waters of plagiarism.
Not just Calvinism,but Ansleyism,etc. All seem to be following any leader,but Jesus Christ and Him Crucified.
---kathr4453 on 12/27/06

Bob, I understand your comment re:OSAS and those who mis-represent it's truths. I'm not in the same theological company of most OSAS here on these blogs, and get un-kind comments from them because I won't fall "in-line" and worship their GIANTS of faith. I believe the e-cards refer to some sort of cheap OSAS doctrine that teach "all you have to say is this..." which is not the Gospel. Please don't judge all OSAS convictions by the works of Calvin.I DO NOT agree with his OSAS doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 12/26/06

Tim what has the verses you posted have to do with everlasting life or once Saved always Saved?
Your verses have to do with God's attitude towards a lost sinner. Do you not see that?
How long have you been a Christian? Have you ever lost your Salvation? How come or why not?
---Elder on 12/26/06

OSAS is false, spiritual error. The Christianet e-cards are true. The false 'sense' of security is not the Holy Spirit reassuring you. It is your intellectual, religious mind fighting against the Spirit of God.

Luke 5:32
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
---Tim on 12/25/06

For the Son of Man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

For the wages of sin is death: but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But God commanded His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be condemned.

Mark 16:15,16
Luke 19:10
Romans 5:8
Romans 6:23
Romans 3:23
Romans 1:18-20
John 3:3
Acts 16:32
---Tim on 12/25/06

Hi Kathr, the e-cards are accurate. You can continue making your stand over there on OSAS, but God's Word is true.

Most of the argument over there is plagiarism, which destroys any integrity you were trying to build.

II Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

---Bob on 12/25/06

I believe "Once saved always saved" IS true. Nobody becomes perfect after they come to Christ. We ask for forgiveness when we sin. If a person's lifestyle is one that actively pursues sin... well thats different - maybe they never WERE saved. BUT to come out with blanket statement that once saved always saved is untrue (Romans 8:38-39) .... telling people that they can lose their salvation is a lie and Jesus didn't want us to lie either (but he'll forgive you too)
---Simon on 12/25/06

Apostate e-cards are correct. I stand with their definition of what an apostate teaching is, and the danger of them.
---Tim on 12/24/06

Helen, how true. We can watch false teachers go merrily down the stream, or try and fish the followers out. I can actually see 'goats' trotting back into darkness on a rocky, slippery path. Christianet is fair, to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
---Tim on 12/24/06

DoryLory - You are exactly right and the problem here is that the unsaved ones are so very religious and it is so hard to get through to them. We are told in God's word to point out error. If I know someone is in error and I say nothing, their blood is on my hands. That is serious stuff. The church has sunk so far from the truth that it has no idea what error is any more...they are putting dark for light, and light for dark.
---Helen_5378 on 6/27/06

Whether there be truth in these cards or not, I feel that there is a serious lack of love and even a mocking edge in them. People get caught up in error because they see something attractive there, they are drawn to it. Jesus said, "when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw all men to myself." (John 12:32). It's God's loving kindness that leads people to repentance (Romans 2:4).

Moderator - When did Bible scriptures lack love? Should we love people to hell or tell them the truth?
---DoryLory on 6/27/06

The effectiveness in evangelism is lifting up Jesus in love (as Mima does), not focusing on error.

Yes, Jesus was hard on the religious leaders of His time but it was more towards what they didn't do (recognize Him) than what they did do. For the common people, Jesus loved them, forgave them, and healed them ... despite the error of their ways.
---DoryLory on 6/27/06

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Sorry I am so dumb but i can't seem to locate the Apostate Cards. Where are they?

Moderator: They are in the Ecard section from the home page, under Christian Ecards.
---randy on 6/23/06

TS, you can write me at elder2291 and express your complete views and no one will "edit" your thoughts. Don't write if you don't want a reply though.
If you write please tell me of something positive you have posted on CN.
Tell me also if you need to believe/understand everything in the Bible to get Saved. When I got Saved I didn't. I didn't know the majority of what the Bible taught. Did/do you?
It does teach that your anger and unrighteous judgement is sin and what to do about it.
---Elder on 6/23/06

t.s., you gave your point of view, so it's unneccessary to belabor it. You strongly disagree with the ecards, your voice is so next? any inputs from others?
---Eloy on 6/23/06

I have looked these ecards over and I find them very useful. People always nash their teeth against the truth. Every card has scripture backing the message and not taken out of context, and has other scriptures to back them up. Most people do want the truth they are bound by some false doctrine that takes power out of the church. The truth makes free if we can be one in truth as the Father and Son are one the world will believe not one in religion but Jesus. a schism will divide and conquer.
---exzucuh on 6/22/06

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TS::Friend, please do not vex yourself on this score.I have not seen the cards & really it does not matter, this type of evangelising will not prick the skin of an elephant besides it only brings rancour.Step back & let the wind blow the cobwebs away. Anger is one of the deadly sins that lead us to perdition Peace & blessings.I look forward to seeing you.
---Emcee on 6/22/06

I appreciate CN very much. They are not perfect, who is? At least they are out there DOING something! I didn't read the question correctly. I thought they were asking for opinions. It does appear that many have seen the cards... and THIS BLOG, if nothing else, will make people want to look!
---Donna2277 on 6/22/06

These cards are okay in my opinion. I can see what the cards are trying to say. Kinda silly and I probably wouldn't send any, but thats my CHOICE. I live in a country where I have certain freedoms, thank God and thank our Vets.
---sue on 6/22/06

Apostacy::Defection from God through entire rejection of either one or more of the following after it has been previously accepted(1)the christian faith:(2)ecclesiastical obedience: (3)the religious or clerical state.
QUESTION: Would this account for the number of ExRC's who write on this forum because we are all followers of Christ. What were these apostacy cards meant to achieve.
What would JESUS SAY?
---Emcee on 6/22/06

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T.S.- I think you need to take a step back and read your own blogs. They are more hateful than anything I have seen on this site. Don't let anyone get you that angry.

Moderator - :) in regard to your direct comments to the mods.
---barbara on 6/22/06

T.S. - What you say is really rough. I wouldn't like to have the Moderators' job at all. I thank them for the wonderful job they do.
---Helen_5378 on 6/22/06

So, the e-cards are not only everything I've said they were, they are HYPOCRITICAL as well! Now, THAT's all I've got to say, go ahead an gang jump me if you all want to- like you always do. I bet there's a bunch of haw-hawing going on in the CN office right now at my expense, but we'll just see who's laughing on judgement day.

Moderator - T.S. at this point no more of your posts will be allowed in this blog as this isn't serving the Gospel.
---T.S. on 6/22/06

In fact, my comment about the toasted preacher?- What he was saying, "you dont have to believe everything thats in the bible"- I was referring to the Moderators, because I have seen them tell people that very thing every time they say we don't have to obey anything in the old testament.
---T.S. on 6/22/06

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I MEANT every word I said and take none of it back. And "Elder" -bite the hand that FEEDS me?! You've GOT to be kidding. "ChristiaNet is NOT doing me any favors- I have never ONCE been helped or ministered to here, only attacked and crucified, and treated unfairly because I disagree with the LIBERAL minded moderators. If we DID have to "pay" to be here, don't think I'd ever give a dime- I'm a better steward than that.
---T.S. on 6/22/06

I want you all to know (the ones who have personally attacked ME) that the reason I am remaining silent is NOT because you are right and I don't have an answer for you. I am not responding, because if I did, it would be cut to shreds and none of you (except the moderators who read what I REALLY write) would see my full comments. Besides, my comment would have to be in at least 30-40 parts to get it all in, so in light of these facts, I am not going to DELIGHT you with a comeback.
---T.S. on 6/22/06

I have read every one of these cards and see no ministry of "Christ and Him crucified" on any of them. To minister Christ and Him crucified, you preach Jesus and His work. That's the one and only gospel. Instead, there is an e-card for 15 "perceived" gospels and not one card proclaiming Jesus or His death, burial, and resurrection. Single focus, single gospel. Divided focus, many gospels.
"If your eye be single, the whole body will be full of light."

Moderator - These are the apostate ecards, of course they are not going to claim Jesus or His death is apostate. The whole point is that these are the many FALSE GOSPELS within the Body of Christ and Christians must be made aware of them to defend the faith.
---Linda6563 on 6/22/06

1/2 One requirement of apologetics is to be ACCURATE. For the most part, you hit it, but the one on OSAS misses that important mark, by using a false stereotype, proven wrong many times. Jesus loves us just as we are, and he loves us too much for us to remain just as we are.
---John_T on 6/22/06

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2/2 The card suggests sanctification is unnecessary. I request you change it to be more accurate, by including "If you love me, you will keep my commandments--Jesus" or better yet, discard it.

As long as the words of Jesus are in John 10:28, OSAS continues to be true, and I am concerned that this card may be denying a truth that Jesus taught.
---John_T on 6/22/06

Moderator - Thank you for your reply. The Lord bless you and keep you.

Moderator - :)
---Helen_5378 on 6/22/06

Moderator - Given your comment on my Blog below ("Amen and Amen to Elder's comments") have I said something wrong? I would like to know if I have please. Thank you.

Moderator - I am stating that I am in 100% agreement with you and Elder and appreciate the positive helpful comments.
---Helen_5378 on 6/22/06

Firstly, if you are offended by these Ecards then maybe you are a part of the Apostate church.... if you do not know there is an Apostasy, then you are in it. Secondly, this is not a time to be offended and arguing --- the Gospel has to be preached before it is too late, and that Gospel is Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Moderator - Amen and Amen to Elder's comments.
---Helen_5378 on 6/22/06

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TS do/does you or anyone else see a wrong judgmental attitude in any of the following statements?
Cond #2
---Elder on 6/22/06

Cond #2
1. people are jumping on these things with glee at a chance to offend and hurt people
2. You supporters of these cards as well as the creators of them are acting like mean children, "making fun of" others that you don't like
3. total reprobates get on here and start spouting shear nonsense, they just come here to cause trouble.
4. people who have suposedly "been a Christian for years" and ought to know the Word better
Cond #3
---Elder on 6/22/06

Cond #3
5. Oh I see. When YOU correct US, it's perfectly alright, but when I correct YOU, it's a "personal attack"? YOU ARE WRONG with these hurtful, tasteless, and VERY un-Christlike ecards, and I am NOT personally attacking you by saying so. You just say I am because I told you that you were wrong, which we all know is the unpardonable sin. 6. You censor, change, and edit our posts ALL THE TIME, you have ever since I've been on this website
Cond #4
---Elder on 6/22/06

Cond #4
Everyone is here by invitation of ChristiaNet and the door swings both ways. Many only see the ministry on the pages here. There are many who have experienced the Love of Christ and have been helped and uplifted personally because of CN. Does anyone want a name of one? I have watched every poster, that is here now, come on this site. I have seen attitudes, posts, and a host of other things yet, none of us have been asked to foot the bill to be here.
Cond #5
---Elder on 6/22/06

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Cond #5
ChristiaNet Staff, expect attacks. This ministry is a threat to the work of Satan. I have never seen, in all the time I have been here, CN ever purposely try to hurt, confuse or mislead anyone. I realize that you folks are learning also and have the purpose of Christ in mind.
---Elder on 6/22/06

I know someone who has a Billiard table at home. They invite people over, provide comfort, refreshments, the equipment needed, clean up after folks leave and foot the entire bill for others recreation. There is one pool stick, out of the many provided, that no one is allowed to use.
Many get up set about that yet they don't focus on all of the other things provided. If the E-cards upset you don't use them but don't attack the hand that has fed you so much more in the past and daily.
---Elder on 6/22/06

Cond #2
Did you read the Scripture verse that accompanied the card which said All Scripture is inspired? I have heard some make the same comments about the Word. Their punishment will come. The Truth of Scripture will stand. It appears that something has "rung your bell." You jumped me on another blog for a statement I made that you thought was made directly to you. I suggest that you ask the Holy Spirit if He is speaking to you and what does He want?
---Elder on 6/22/06

---T.S. on 6/22/06

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TS on your first post about these e-cards you spoke of the preacher saying you can't believe everything in the Bible. In your words he gets "toasted."
Cond #2
---Elder on 6/22/06

Matt--It's not any one paticular card that I don't care for. There are lots of ways to share the truth of scripture.It was more the insinuation that if you don't want to send your friend one, they may go to hell because of it. I DO think friendship is important; and if you deliberately offend someone, they aren't likely to listen to anything you have to say.

Moderator - The cards can be sent in love. It totally depends on what the person says in the attached card.
---Donna2277 on 6/21/06

Moderators::I have not & do not say you may be wrong; but the general consensus do not appear to agree. The TRUTH should set you Free.LOVE IS a better appproach not REPROACH
Sorry JMHO

Moderator - Having gotten some feed back from some users on the side, I belief many people don't understand the doctrines listed or the role of an evangelist. In addition, the comment by the moderator about not editing comments was in reference to this blog only not to the blog system. Of course blogs are deleted or modified as needed.
---Emcee on 6/21/06

Look. I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason I oppose them is not their MESSAGE, it's thier METHOD. They do not show good taste, love, or concern. If I were involved in one of these doctrines, I would only be turned off by recieving one of them. It would do nothing to change my mind. Why would I be enticed to want to be like people who would make fun of everyone else that doesnt believe just like they do?
---T.S. on 6/22/06

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Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. What you tell people is the mind of Christ has serious consequences if it is untrue. Jeremiah 5:31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
---exzucuh on 6/21/06

For those that are against the ecards to be used only as an apologetics outreach within the Body of Christ, please clearly state why in DETAIL starting with the first ecard.
---Matt on 6/21/06

Matt and Moderator-- If someone was my friend I wouldn't send them one of these cards (which I doubt would do much to keep them out of hell). I'd talk to them, instead.

Moderator - I think either way could work. It depends on the friend and you. Both can be effective tools for spreading the Gospel. However, since we are on the Internet, I hope many would use the ecards as "ONE" of their "MANY" tools to spread the Gospel.
---Donna2277 on 6/21/06

So do you think that if I have aught against any of these brethren who I may not agree with that I should send them an ecard or should I go to them just like the Bible says and try to get it straightened out? All of this public advertising about our doctrinal disagreements does not sit well in my spirit either.

Moderator - Then you better leave the blogs because the discussions are public.
---john on 6/21/06

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Galatians 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. False doctrine is to be met with extreme measures. Sleeping with jezebel can cause tribulation and death of the offspring of the church rev.2:20
---exzucuh on 6/21/06

WHAT remark?! How can I apologize for something when I don't know what you are talking about? Let me know what I said that was such a personal attack and I'll see if it warrants an apology or not.

Moderator - As you may or may not remember, the personal attacks were not posted because they were attacking the ChristiaNet staff. Bottomline, I forgive you and let's move on for the good of the Gospel :)
---T.S. on 6/21/06

The cards in and of themselves do speak truth. However, in my mind (spirit?) something does not sit right with this concept. I am not saying that they could not ever have an applicataion but if I had to say yea or nay, it would be nay.
---Bruce5656 on 6/21/06

Matt-- Will ruining a friendship keep people out of hell?

Moderator - Is it truly a friendship if you can't speak truth? Are you truly a friend if you would let your friend go to Hell?
---Donna2277 on 6/21/06

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ChristiaNet's e-cards are not offensive. We are to point out error and false teachings, the only ones that might be offended are those believing and teaching false doctrine.
---Thomas_D. on 6/21/06

Matthew 21:45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. Jesus spoke a parable about a vinyard and how God would destroy those who took the vinyard. These ecards are no diffrent from the method of teaching Jesus used. The things he did we should do them also and even greater things.
---Exzucuh on 6/21/06

ChristaNet's e-cards are not offensive. We are to point out error and false teachings, the only ones that might be offended are those believing and teaching false doctrine.
---Thomas_D. on 6/21/06

They were meant to be NEITHER. They were MEANT to inform you that your ecards are hurtful, tasteless, and WRONG, in a "non-PERSONAL-attacking" sorta way. You ARE capable of being WRONG once in awhile, are you not?

Moderator - T.S. that isn't the remark mentioned. I will accept that you will not apologise for the remark, however we forgive you.
---T.S. on 6/21/06

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WHAT?! Oh, that is absolutely incredible! YOU DO THAT ALL THE TIME! You censor, change, and edit our posts ALL THE TIME, you have ever since I've been on this website, how can you deny that? And why is that a "personal attack"???

Moderator - If your remarks have been to uplift ChristiaNet please accept my apology, however if they were meant to be personal, I would ask you to stop.
---T.S. on 6/21/06

Oh I see. When YOU correct US, it's perfectly alright, but when I correct YOU, it's a "personal attack"? YOU ARE WRONG with these hurtful, tasteless, and VERY un-Christlike ecards, and I am NOT personally attacking you by saying so. You just say I am because I told you that you were wrong, which we all know is the unpardonable sin.

Moderator - You accused us of not posting responses and messing with them - that is a personal attack and had nothing to do with the ecards. Yes, it was wrong.
---T.S. on 6/21/06

Somehow, my posts from last night got all jumbled up and out of order, and some are missing- making my comments make no sense at all.....Hmmmmmm, I wonder if that was an "accident".

Moderator - It's exactly what we received and we posted 100% - feel free to post again. T.S. many of your comments are personal comments directed toward ChristiaNet with a design to cause harm and I don't see love in that type of approach. Please stick to scriptures not personal attacks.
---T.S. on 6/21/06

I have only just found them. Since when did O.S.A.S. people say that individuals do not need to change their ways? I don't know one person who, when witnessing to people or dealing with someone newly saved, says that there is no need to change one's ways.
---f.f. on 6/21/06

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I think these "ecards" are great. I see how they can be used as an evangelistic tool. Maybe ChristiaNet should change the name to "etract" since many tracts are "in your face" to provoke one to think about the topic. With this many different "gospels" no wonder Christians can not agree on anything!
---Luke on 6/21/06

sometimes it is couched in a bold scheme of speech, in a tart irony, in a lusty hyperbole, in a startling metaphor, in a plausible reconciling of contradictions, or in acute nonsense.... Sometimes an affected simplicity, sometimes a presumptuous bluntness giveth it being.... Its ways are unaccountable and inexplicable, being answerable to the numberless rovings of fancy and windings of language (Barrow) .

Judge for can quote Scripture all day long and do it without love.
---Linda6563 on 6/21/06

From this original sense of versatility it came to be applied to morals, as timeserving, and to speech with the accompanying notion of dissimulation. Aristotle calls it chastened insolence. The sense of the word here is polished and witty speech as the instrument of sin; refinement and versatility without the flavor of Christian grace. Sometimes it is lodged in a sly question, in a smart answer, in a quirkish reason, in shrewd intimation, in cunningly diverting or cleverly retorting an objection:
---Linda6563 on 6/21/06

It is more becoming to Christians to engage in thanksgiving. Jesting (εὐτραπελία)
Only here in the New Testament. From εὐ well or easily, πρέπω to turn. That which easily turns and adapts itself to the moods and conditions of those with whom it may be dealing at the moment.
---Linda6563 on 6/21/06

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Thayer Definition:
1) pleasantry, humour, facetiousness
2) in a bad sense
2a) scurrility, ribaldry, low jesting
Part of Speech: noun feminine
A Related Word by Thayers/Strongs Number: (meaning well-turned, i.e. ready at repartee, jocose)

Jesting. Wit of doubtful morality, words and suggestions of doubtful and double meaning.

Are not convenient. Are not becoming.
---Linda6563 on 6/21/06

Eph 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God as dear children:
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savor.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
---Linda6563 on 6/21/06

If I remember correctly, I think all of the ecards have a scripture on them. Are Bible scriptures now an offense to Christians? I sure hope if I have a damning belief that a Christian would show me the Word.
---Matt on 6/21/06

Matt....its not so much the message, but it is the way it's said.
---Grace on 6/21/06

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After reading this blog, I am blessed that I am not following any of those false doctrines in the ecards since few here would bother to help me back on God's path. This is scary. Why are so many here afraid of getting a Christian upset by showing them the Word of God? If it's to keep a friendship at the expensive of sending the person to hell, that isn't a good reason.
---Matt on 6/21/06

Those cards will not achieve anything.Its a very childish approach. U can not show the people the truth or the right way by making fun of them.
---pkay on 6/21/06

I agree with T.S. We are to show people God's love and we can't do that by making fun of them. I understand people need to be told what they believe is false, but there is a big difference between helping them out of love and putting them down because we feel superior.
---bethie on 6/21/06

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