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Christians Reprove And Rebuke

Should Christians reprove and rebuke other Christians in love to perserve their soul or should we let them go about their way as not to offend?

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StrongAxe, still you refuse to attempt an answer to my question. Genesis 1 gives the components of a 24hr day "What other time-period is made up of daylight and nighttime, and evening and morning?"

Your refusal to answer is solid evidence you have no answer but nonetheless prefer to cling to your nonBiblical notions.
---Warwick on 4/13/12


Lee, the dictionary you refer to is irelevant to the issue as its definition refers to daylight and nighttime, evening and morning days today! It does not endeavour to describe the first days of creation.

However let us consult The Holman Bible Dictionary which gives the meaning on 'day' in Genesis 1. It says a 24hr day is defined in Genesis 1:5 p397.

As you know BiblioSceptic James Barr (Professor of Hebrew Oxford University) says the writer/s of Genesis 1 intended to convey a 24hr day. He being a nonbeliever is a wonderful hostile witness. Barr does not accept Genesis 1-11 as historical fact but is clear in stating what the writers meant to convey.
---Warwick on 4/13/12


Warwick - StrongAxle is using a dictionary definition when he states that a day is a period of time w/r/t the sun.

Day: a unit of time equal to the Earth's period of rotation about its axis, measured either relative to the Sun solar day or the stars sidereal day = Encarta World English Dictionary

So in using the dictionary definition, he has to be correct.

OBVIOUSLY that since the light source during the first 2 periods of creation was different than the last 4 periods, there remains an inescapable conclusion that the characteristics of what constituted a 'day' was changed.

GIVE IT UP!!You are not going to win on this issue as you really have no valid arguments.
---lee1538 on 4/13/12


Warwick:

You said: StrongAxe you are Biblically incorrect. God says He created daylight and nighttime, evening and morning days with the light He created before the sun. Revelation 21:23 shows God does not need a sun for light

What did I say that was BIblically incorrect? I never said God needed a sun for light. He created light on day 1 (Gen. 1:3-5). I said he needed the sun for a SIGN FOR DAYS, starting on day 4 (Gen. 1:14-19). On days 1-3 there was light, but no sun to use as a reference. Since the sun was created as a sign on day 4, what sign do you use for days 1-3? There was none. Only the one in your imagination.
---StrongAxe on 4/13/12


The problem I generally see is rebukes are not in love. But in I know more or you are lost and need me to tell you how to be saved. Or some form of you must do what I say.

We are to present the truth in love and let GOD do the convincing. People can and do make up excuses to not believe.

As for Christians who support evolution. I believed in evolution but choose to believe the Bible instead of people who say this is so because I say so. I know enough about science to understand much is speculation not actual facts. Other statments are based on facts that then speculation is based on.
---Samuel on 4/13/12




StrongAxe you are Biblically incorrect. God says He created daylight and nighttime, evening and morning days with the light He created before the sun. Revelation 21:23 shows God does not need a sun for light.

All that is needed for an ordinary day is a rotating earth and a fixed light source.

Remember in Exodus God says He created in 6 days with no hint that some of the days were of different length than others. If they were the Sabbath Commandment would be meaningless.

Again, again and again you duck my question. You are becoming more and more like Lee! "If you are open to believing in 24hr days give a genuine answer. What other time-period is made up of daylight and nighttime, and evening and morning?"
---Warwick on 4/13/12


Warwick:

You yourself are arguing that God could provide light without a sun. Our "24 hour days" are based on the earth's rotation with respect to the sun. Therefore, during the first three days, evening and morning were based on some different criteria than the one we currently use today. We don't know what that criterion is - only that MUST have been different.

In particular, the sun was set as a sign for days on day four, so it COULD NOT HAVE BEEN used as a sign to mark days before that.

So, plainly, without any kind of signs that relate to our experience, we can't know how long the first three days were.
---StrongAxe on 4/13/12


Jimbo, God preserves the believers souls. As believers, if we see that someone is wrong concerning salvation we should tell them. That is commanded of us. That is it. If we do nothing we are not doing our duty. If we tell them and they don't want to change we cannot do anything about that. Many times the Spirit has not revealed something to them in order for them to see the big picture. Other times they are destine to continue in unbelief we just don't know.
---Mark_V. on 4/13/12


Warwick //Also explain your reasoning as to why God is incapable of providing light for 24hr days without the sun.

Scripture tells us that God spoke the world and everything in it into existence. His word alone was sufficient. Since that is the case, there needs not be any time factor involved.

Need I quote scripture to you when simple reasoning should be sufficient.

Sorry Warwick, but you really need to move on away from this issue as you cannot win against the truth.
---lee1538 on 4/13/12


Lee, you state "the definition of 'day' changed after the sun was created on the 3rd 'day'" Show us where Scripture records or comments upon such a change. Also explain your reasoning as to why God is incapable of providing light for 24hr days without the sun.

In Exodus 20:11 God says He created in 6 days but you say He didn't. This God you propose is a liar! Self projection maybe?
---Warwick on 4/13/12




StrongAxe, again you duck my pertinent question. Again I ask you "If you are open to believing in 24hr days give a genuine answer. What other time-period is made up of daylight and nighttime, and evening and morning?"

The fact you have avoided answering this question twice is good evidence you are somewhat like those who hide behind the US Constitutions Fifth Amendment, refusing to answer on the grounds that to do so would incriminate them!
---Warwick on 4/13/12


Warwick: I have been asking the question "Why would any Christian embrace Evolution?" for a long time now, and still have not seen a lucid answer. I must conclude that some Christians either believe their worldly professors more than the Word of God, or they hate God's holy Sabbath day so much that they must attack its foundation. I can find no other plausible explanation for supposed Bible scholars try to stretch Creation Week into eons of time.


---jerry6593 on 4/13/12


Warwick, here is what I mean. You say something is a fact when it is not. When God speaks it's a fact. If God had mention a day is 24 exact hours He would have been wrong, its 23 hrs give or take a few minutes. In Genesis God never said what day He started creation. But you assume He started on Sunday and the rest day was Saturday. God never mentioned Saturday. An explicit statement is a fact, an implicit statement is not a fact. It implies something. Lets say Moses not God, decided what days people should work and what day to rest. God would have approved, so long as people took the seventh day of rest. But God did not say Saturday, man did. Jesus is our rest under the N. Covenant, Men, not God decided that the rest day would be Sunday.
---Mark_V. on 4/13/12


Warwick//In your tangled fable God Commands the Israelites to work 6 days, rest the 7th because He created in 6 days, rested the 7th. He uses exactly the same words for the 6 creation days, and 7th of rest as for their 6 day work-week and 7th of rest.

yes, we can agree that the definition of 'day' changed after the sun was created on the 3rd 'day' and that the Sabbath commandment was based on the newer definition of day being of 24 hour duration.

You have yet to comment on that quote from Archer regarding the Hebrew of the Genesis Creation account. Are you afraid that your silly little interpretation will not stand in the face of facts?
---lee1538 on 4/12/12


Warwick:

My purpose here is not to provide a forum to push my own personal opinion (everyone has one), but rather, to illuminate what the Bible ACTUALLY says and doesn't say. When Jesus was speaking even of the hypocritical Pharisees, he told people NOT to follow what they do (because they behaved hypocritically), but he DID say to follow what they said (because they were learned doctors of the law, and could quote it accurately).

We are to live not by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God. So pay attention to those words, and give little weight to those that aren't his (such as mine, or ones you imagine he says but doesn't).
---StrongAxe on 4/12/12


Mark, In Exodus 20:8-11 God gives the Israelites His Sabbath Command- work 6 days and rest the 7th, saying do this because He created in 6 days and rested the 7th-identical wording. If we cannot take this as written then language is meaningless. They obviously understood God meant ordinary 24hr days because the Jews have lived this 7 day cycle ever since. This came from God to Moses. Did Moses get it wrong or are the days 24hrs? If, as some falesly claim, the first 2-3 days were not 24hrs no one could have known when the Sabbath was. Would God leave Moses in doubt of when the Sabbath was then command anyone found working upon it be put to death?

Remember this is what God inscribed directly upon the tablrets of stone.
---Warwick on 4/12/12


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StrongAxe, you claim you are not opposed to the creration days being 24hrs but then you fall at the first hurdle. I asked you "If you are open to believing in 24hr days give a genuine answer. What other time-period is made up of daylight and nighttime, and evening and morning?"

But you ducked the question, and for obvious reasons. Please answer it.

God says He created light and this brought about daylight and darkness and evening and morning which He says made up "the first day." But you refuse to believe what God explicitly says or that He was capable (as He said) of lighting the earth without the sun.
---Warwick on 4/12/12


StrongAxe, recently you asked: "In the day in 2 Peter 3:8, 24 hours, or 8766000 hours (1000 years)? Was Joshua's long day 24 hours"

2 Peter 3:8 reads "...with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day- 1 day is 24hrs, and 1,000yrs years is 1,000yrs. Peter wrote that knowing his readers knew what 1,000 years and 1 day were. It shows God is eternal therefore outside of time, not living days at all.

Joshua's long-day was so described because it was a long day, daylight extended by God for a specific purpose-an explained exception which does not disprove the rule. These are such weak meaningless arguments, showing you have no good argument but will not accept what Gods word says.
---Warwick on 4/12/12


Lee, In your tangled fable God Commands the Israelites to work 6 days, rest the 7th because He created in 6 days, rested the 7th. He uses exactly the same words for the 6 creation days, and 7th of rest as for their 6 day work-week and 7th of rest. But you say we and they cannot know how long the first 2 days were! Exodus 31:14 says anyone found working the 7th day is to be put to death. But in your fable (the first 2 days being of unknown length) they could not have known when the Sabbath was and been killed for working on it! What a hopeless evil God you portray.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive."
---Warwick on 4/12/12


Warwick:

If we measured days by alternating light and darkness, our calendars would hiccup on every solar eclipse. But we don't. We measure days by periods between SPECIFIC KINDS of light and darkness - i.e. the earth's rotation with respect to the sun. Such a measurement CANNOT BE MADE when there IS NO SUN to measure by, as during the first three days.

Genesis 1:14 EXPLICITLY says so:
"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years."

Before day four there WAS NO SUN to divide day from night. So we must look to SOME OTHER DEFINITION to determine the length of the first three days.
---StrongAxe on 4/12/12


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//If the days are not ordinary 24hr days what was the point of the Sabbath Commandment?

The Sabbath commandment reflected back to the rest of God after He created the earth after 6 periods of time.

Ge 2:3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work he had done in creation.

Warwick should realize the first 2 days of creation were DIFFERENT as the light source was not the sun so the view that light and darkness separated these 'days' cannot be used to support the view that the first 2 periods of creation had to be of 24 hour duration.

No one on this forum has yet to point to any verse in Genesis that explicitly states that all the periods of creation were 24 hour day.
---lee1538 on 4/12/12


Warwick, I explained why I thought it was wrong for you to make some things exact when they are not exact. You added hours to passages that do not have hours in their context. Here is what is written,
"God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day"
Do you see hours mentioned there? No. You have to go to another book to add what was missing. The first five books of Moses, do not have all details. They were not meant to be detailed. Many things are missing and numbers were not meant to be exact either. When 14,700 Israelites were killed for accusing Moses killing 250 of them, it could have been 14,701, but I'm happy to know it was around 14.700.
---Mark_V. on 4/12/12


StrongAxe, read Genesis 1:3-5 'And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day."

If you are open to believing in 24hr days give a genuine answer. What other time-period is made up of day and night, evening and morning?


If the days are not ordinary 24hr days what was the point of the Sabbath Commandment? How could the Israelites have known what God meant? Not knowng what 7th day means how could they have avoided working on it and therefore be put to death?
---Warwixk on 4/11/12


Mark_V.: "Steven g, let me remind you that Jesus Spirit is on CN."

If Jesus were on these blogs, we wouldn't need them because all the christians would be one in the spirit, not having as many different opinions as there are bloggers. Even you would flame Jesus for not conforming to your doctrines of men.

Mark_V.: "And which two prophets are you talking about"

If you carefully read my post I mentioned the two prophets in Revelation.
---Steveng on 4/11/12


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Warwick:

You keep insisting that the Bible says that the creation days in Genesis must have been "24 hours" long, and that Exodus calls them "normal everyday days", even though neither the phrases "24 hours" and "normal everyday" nor anything remotely similar ever occur anywhere in the Bible.

Whether or not such conclusions are correct or not, this is ipso facto proof that you are going beyond what is ACTUALLY written in the Bible.
---StrongAxe on 4/11/12


Mark, you plainly accused me of error in my understanding of Genesis. You said I was going beyond what was written. You may be correct but it remains a baseless accusation unless you can give proof of your assertion.

I trust that if you cannot provide such proof you will admit to your error?
---Warwick on 4/11/12


Eloy, thank you for your worthless advice. You will not hear the truth, because only those who have ears to hear hear the Truth. Only they will listen. It seems to me you don't even know what a Christian is. Evidently you might be one who is righteous without the righteousness of Christ. You said there was those who enter heaven without Christ. You must be one of them you spoke of.
---Mark_V. on 4/10/12


Warwick, I have answered you two times and two different posts. If you don't find them I will explain it to you here again. I wish I could have copied it but will try to explain my reasons for disagreeing with you. Peace
---Mark_V. on 4/10/12


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markv, I, nor any other Christian, takes worthless advice from dead sinners whom rebel against the truth. You need to repent and get right with God, before you try to advise anybody of anything.
---Eloy on 4/10/12


Mark, again I ask "your answer to me regarding Genesis is not specific. Can you give a specific example of where you think I have made an error?"
---Warwick on 4/9/12


Steven g, let me remind you that Jesus Spirit is on CN. And He is disappointed that people on line are calling His Church, the gathering of believers a false Church. And telling others that by keeping the law they can be saved at the expense of the Spirit of the Law.
And which two prophets are you talking about since we seem to have lots of prophets now, and as I see it, many later?
And what the two witnesses, or two prophets, of Revelation, think about anyone today is not relevant. Eloy claims to be a prophet, maybe you believe he is one of them, I would not doubt it. Do an engine search on the computer, you will find Eloy there somewhere.
---Mark_V. on 4/9/12


How will the last two prophets mentioned in Revelation react when you people try to convince them they are wrong in their thinking, when they will not conform to earthly denominational doctrines? Most of you will surely exchange gifts among each other as their bodies lie in the streets.

If Jesus were on these blogs, he, too, will get flamed by most of you because he does not conform to your earthly denominational doctrines.
---Steveng on 4/8/12


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markv, No. What I am saying is exactly what I posted.
---Eloy on 4/8/12


Eloy, so what you are saying is that you are a goat and the reason why you cannot hear, see are understand? You need to get a grip. Maybe it is because you are a prophet, or maybe because you believe you know the future that you will not take any advice from anyone.
---Mark_V. on 4/8/12


markV, so what? goats refusing the word is nothing new to the sheep.
---Eloy on 4/7/12


Cluny, why did God create in 6 days and rest the 7th? Read His word: "...Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day...." Exodus 20:8-11

God here says He created in 6 days and rested the 7th. "The Sabbath was made for man" Mark 2:27 because God needs no rest-Isaiah 40:28. As the exodus quote above shows God created in 6 days and rested the 7th as a pattern for man's 7 day week.
---Warwick on 4/6/12


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Yes in love. The problem here and other places is that I see little love just a lot of I am right you are wrong so listen to me and do what I tell you.

Love is the word that changes how we talk and act. Those who act and rebuke without love are not following JESUS.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/6/12


Mark your answer to me regarding Genesis is not specific. Can you give a specific example of where you think I have made an error?
---Warwick on 4/6/12


Eloy, what you said again is very true, here is what you said,

"MarkV, They whom refuse my words of truth will remain without."

I do refuse your truth, and will remain without your truth. It does not square with the Truth from Scripture. You cannot possibly be born again two times, that is not the Truth of Scripture.
You are not sinless, that is not Truth, since you need Christ as your Mediator.
There is no such thing as a righteous man without Christ, so your truth is not truth of Scripture.
So, you are right, your truth i will not receive.
---Mark_V. on 4/6/12


\\MarkV, They whom refuse my words of truth will remain without.
---Eloy on 4/5/12\

I'd rather be in GOD's truth, myself.

Nothing youm have said is truth.

Not even yourm translations from the Bible (which being after 1611 are corrupted, by your own standards).

Youm don't even handle English properly.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/6/12


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MarkV, They whom refuse my words of truth will remain without.
---Eloy on 4/5/12


Eloy, Jesus would say Luke 13 to youm:

Unless youm repent, youm will likewise perish.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/5/12


Eloy, you are so right. That is why we tell you when you are wrong. But you don't like that. We try to correct you so that others won't be misled but you respond condemning those who question what you say. Shouldn't you be taking your own advice? You have to take responsibility for your own sins if the Spirit is within you convicting you of your sin. If there is no conviction, there is no Spirit. For all who are partakers of God's chastening, are His children.
---Mark_V. on 4/5/12


'06, wow! :) Jimbo, if you're still here:

If your [Christian] brother or sister sins against you, rebuke them, and if they repent, forgive them. Lk. 7:3 (NIV)
---Leon on 4/3/12


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All genuine Christians will suffer for the Lord when they speak to unbelievers. It is a display of love when Christians are witnessing for the Lord. They might offend someone, and they might get mad at you, and call you names, to the point of even condemning you, but that is the prize we pay. We should understand that they cannot help who they are. Enemies of God. Doing the desires of their father the devil, they just don't know it.
---Mark_V. on 4/3/12


Jimbo, If you say nothing to the sinner, they will surely suffer for their sin, but their blood will be upon your hands for not speaking up to save them from the error of their way.
---Eloy on 3/31/12


Eloy, if what you say is true, then love your wife and forgive her. You are not showing much love there. You rather sent her and all of us who disagree with you to hell. You are a very loving person.
---Mark_V. on 3/30/12


Jimbo, Do the golden rule, as Christ instructs us to do in his second commandment. That is, Do and say to others exactly that what you desire others to do and say to you, which is to love your neighbor as you love yourself.
---Eloy on 3/29/12


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Eloy, now that you put the passage down, look at your past, and think about what you are going to say to the Lord on the Day of the Lord. You did this and that for Him, even told others that Jesus never cleaned a dirty toilet, that He never suffered more then you, that He stands at the door of everyones heart and you were kind enough to let Him in. So you deserve salvation, and He will say to you who is on the left, "Depart from Me, you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels." ( Matt. 25:41). And you will complain and Jesus will say, "Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least (your wife and brothers) you did not do it to Me"
---Mark_V. on 3/28/12


"And Jesus having opened his mouth he taught them, saying: All things therefore whatever you all desire that persons would do to you, so also do you all to them: for this is the Law and the Prophets. Every tree not yielding good fruit, will be cut down and thrown into the fire. Not all they that say to me, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven: rather the one that does the commands of Father of me which is in heaven." Mt.7:12,19,21.
---Eloy on 3/26/12


Eloy, you said to me:

"
MarkV, Unless you repent, then you freely choose to remain condemned."


First, you are not my Savior, why should I repent to you? In your eyes, if I don't agree with what you say, I am condemn already. Your kingdom principles I cannot agree to. One day maybe, you will come off your throne.
You asked for forgivness from everyone, apologized how hard you were with others, and cried to the world, how you lost your job, and tried to make it look like you were going to change, and guess what? It was all a big lie. You probably did lose your job, but there was no change in you whatsoever.
You were right, you are not sorry for anything you say.
---Mark_V. on 3/26/12


MarkV, Unless you repent, then you freely choose to remain condemned. No one whom ends up in hell can blame any other soul but themselves alone, for the way to hell is broad and wide and many people choose that path.
---Eloy on 3/26/12


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No, I don't like or dislike what people say around here. I'm just a tease sometimes, that's all. This is just a place to have a little fun to pass the time.
---Pat.pat on 3/22/12


Pat pat, so you like what Eloy says to others? I didn't think it was possible for many to like what he says. He tells me to obey kingdom principles, he means his own principles. So thanks for tipping your hand when you answered, I now know you are also hostle.

Elena, thank you so much for what you said in such few words. Your words are very true. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 3/22/12


...the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery.jn:8-3.jesus as you read later.."any one without sin,..be first throw a stone
at her." they all left!later jesus rebuke with love,"go now and leave your life of sin".
She left encouraged,not broken.
---ELENA on 3/22/12


You tell 'em, Eloy. Don't let anyone push you around.
---Pat.pat on 3/22/12


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Eloy, again what you say is not in Scripture. You said

"MarkV,.. You send yourself to hell, by your own free choice."

False, you did condemn me.
All decendants of Adam are heading to hell, they are already condemned. "He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" It doesn't say you have free will, or that you even have a choice. It says, If you believe you are not condemned. If you don't, you are condemned already. Why?
"And this is the condemnation, that light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light" The world loves darkness.
---Mark_V. on 3/22/12


MarkV, I do not send you, nor anybody to hell. You send yourself to hell, by your own free choice. You have chosen false doctrine which separates you from the kingdom of God, if you want the kingdom then you have to obey kingdom principles. You cannot do your own thing and expect to be a part of Christ, you must obey Christ, and if not than you are none of his. You alone have the free will and power to be saved, or else to be condemned: to go to heaven, or to go to hell. It's that plain.
---Eloy on 3/21/12


Eloy, you forgot to take your own advice when it came to you. Easy to say, but not easy for you to do. In one sentence you send me to hell. And why, because you could not answer my question with Scripture. That was not very kind of you Eloy, I thought there was a change in you. I guess the change only lasted two weeks.
---Mark_V. on 3/21/12


While righteous indignation has its place, evenso we are not to be provoked to a quick wrath, but instead we are to be slow to anger, for the wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God. "A soft answer turns away wrath, but harsh words stir up anger. And Jesus having opened his mouth he taught them, saying: All things therefore whatever you all desire that persons would do to you, so also do you all to them: for this is the Law and the Prophets. Kin, if a person be overtaken in a fault, you all which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness, considering yourself, else you also be tempted. Bear you all one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ." Pv.15:1+ Mt.7:12+ Gal.6:1,2.
---Eloy on 3/20/12


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I find there are some cases where reproof or stern rebukes are appropriate - when people deal sternly with others, or refuse any gentler forms of guidance or correction.

Look at how Jesus behaved - he encouraged most, but rebuked and screamed at pharisees and the hypocritical moneychangers.
---StrongAxe on 3/20/12


There's a way to tell a person that they are on the wrong road without making them feel like a total fool. For example, you can say, "Sir or Mam or girl (or whatever name they are), I'd like to help you, please let me." Or else, you can say, "You are wrong, and a foolish idiot." Now which of the two would you rather have said to you when you saying or doing something incorrectly? Most would prefer the first address, because it is not demeaning or belittling or hurtful. Thus the 2nd Commandment of God, called the Golden Rule: Do and say to others exactly that what you want others to do and say to you: or, love your neighbor just like you love yourself.
---Eloy on 3/19/12


There should be less reproving and rebuking and more love and encouragement among believers everywhere--and that's my reproof lol! :D
---Mary on 3/19/12


I reproved and rebuked Helen and pointed out to her the error of her ways, but she didn't appreciate it one bit.
---Cluny on 3/18/12


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Absolutely not.. we must reprove and rebuke those in error, otherwise how will they know. If they do not receive the truth then that is another matter. This "not to offend" thing will send untold numbers of souls straight to hell.

Moderator - I agree 100%.
---Helen_5378 on 10/27/08


I've been rebuking error here, but nobody seems to appreciate what I do for them.

Moderator - Actually, I do even if we don't agree all the time.
---Jack on 5/13/07


Benny: "I'm pretty new here, but from what I have read thus far, many "rebukes" seem to arise from a spirit of pride and desire to put others down. Perhaps I've been misled by a lack of visual cues but I think I know sarcasm and putdowns when I see them."

How a Christian witnesses is a good indicator of their level of spiritual maturity.
---augusta on 8/4/06


I'm pretty new here, but from what I have read thus far, many "rebukes" seem to arise from a spirit of pride and desire to put others down. Perhaps I've been misled by a lack of visual cues but I think I know sarcasm and putdowns when I see them. As I have quoted in another post: Knowledge puffs up but love builds up.
---Benny on 8/3/06


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the bible tells us we should correct them, but it also says never do it alone,always correct with a witness that agrees the person needs correction, and ALWAYS DO IT IN LOVE.
---tom2 on 7/11/06


If they aren't listening to the Holy Spirit, they sure aren't going to listen to you. The conviction of sin comes from within. When He, the Spirit of Truth comes, HE will convict the world of sin. Now in the case if someone has hurt you DIRECTLY and deeply with false accusations and lies, then by all means, tell them.
---Donna9759 on 6/22/06


Rebuke not an elder, but entreat him as a father, and the younger men as brethren. The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity. They that sin (miss the mark of God in Christ) rebuke before all, that others also may fear. Reprove, and advise with patience and doctrine. Even Michael the archangel when contending with the devil about the body of Moses, dared not to bring a railing accusation against him, but rather said, The LORD rebuke thee.
---Josef on 6/22/06


According to 1 Cor. 13 we are as a clanging symbol and profit nothing if it is not done in love. Going around rebuking and reproving just becasue you think you're right and in anger will not work the righteousness of God.
---john on 6/20/06


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I believe it should be done by someone who knows the person well, and has an established relationship with the person.

For example: A friend of mine and her family went to a restaurant and they were served wine. This family had strong German roots and believed that wine with dinner on a special occassion was acceptable. Someone from their church found out and went and gossipped about it to their pastor causing an uproar in the church. Totally inappropriate that way.
---Madison1101 on 6/20/06


Galatians 6:1 gives us this very instruction with warning afixed: "Considering thyself lest you be tempted."

Motive of the heart. there is one motive that is agrivated through righteous indignation, and that's fine, but not to express. The other motive is the one who wants to see the brother/sister lifted from bondage, after all that's why Jesus died for them, and Paul called this a "spirit of meekness." The latter is acceptable.
---Pharisee on 6/20/06


II Timothy 4 says we are to reprove and rebuke, yes. BUT- we do not preserve souls. Jesus Christ is the only Life Preserver we can claim. When we allow God to work in and through us, He often can reprove and rebuke people without using words. His Presence is ususally enough. Do what you know is right. When someone is offended, it is usually the offended person's problem. Matt 11:6 says, "And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me."
---Amy9384 on 6/20/06


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