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Two Steps To Get Holy Spirit

Is getting saved and receiving the Holy Spirit a two-step process or do we immediately receive the Holy Spirit at the moment of Salvation?

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the Bible teaches that it is Jesus who does the baptizing, and that the Holy Spirit is the "living water" (John 4:9-14 and 7:37-39) in which we are baptized
---andre5846 on 9/14/07


we are baptized into jesus at salvation - given the seal of the Holy Spirit and the HS baptizes us with fire, in spirit. If herb is a reverend he knows this, doesn't speak in tongues bc he is not saved or is to afraid of the devil which means he is probly not saved. Just because you think you are saved don't make it that way
---Dan on 9/13/07


Rev. Herb,

If that was the case, then why didnt the disciples receive the Holy Spirit the moment that they met Jesus?

Fact is, the Father sent the baptism of the Holy Ghost at the day of Pentecost for the 120 true believers.
---Mr._Graham on 9/13/07


2.Those who deny that the baptism of HS is a separate experience.
a) They quote from Eph4:3-5...keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.4...one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling, 5 one Lord,one faith,one baptism,
(1)they mix verses 4/5 together to read something like this, "There is one baptism and you were baptized by the one spirit into the body of Christ."
(2)Paul is talking about the fact that there is only one body of Christ
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---Andrea on 9/13/07


1) Paul said in 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body . . . . (NKJV)
1. Notice that is the baptism "by one Spirit" into the body!
a) But we have already been told in Luke 3:16 . . . He (Jesus) will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.
b) So, it is Jesus that baptizes with the Holy Spirit, and it is the Holy Spirit that baptizes us into the body of Christ!
---Andrea on 9/13/07




The Holy Spirit indwels the believer at the time that he/she is Born Again. AT sometime after that when understanding has increased, the believer makes an educated choice to obey scripture and submit to water baptism as a sign of dieing to self and rising to life in Jesus Christ. The two are mutually exclusive.:)
---jody_jmartin on 9/13/07


"We immediately receive the Holy Spirit at our salvation -- The Holy Spirit seals us. The baptism in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues is a separate infilling of the Holy Spirit after salvation."
---Helen_5378 on 9/12/07
Here is the correct answer. All who are saved have the Holy Spirit but all do not have the manifestation of the Holy Spirit as evidence by speaking in tongues.
---Mima on 9/13/07


rev. first belongs to God .no you are not a rev. God is reverend an nobody else. Psalms 111:9. further baptism was not a jewish tradition for even the Jews converted . you are incorrect MR. Herb.baptism is required today .
---chad_mcpeek on 9/12/07


We receive the Holy Spirit at the moment of Salvation. I believe.
---Robyn on 9/12/07


Rev_Herb:

The ending of Mark is disputed, since it occurs in later manuscripts, but does not occur in earlier ones - so it was likely added much later by somebody else.

If this verse is genuine, it merely states what signs would follow, not that we should necessarily seek nor avoid them.

Acts 28:1-8 recites how Paul took up a serpent, but it was not something he sought out, it just happened.
---StrongAxe on 9/12/07




Salvation is completely the WORK of God. "Baptism" actually means washing. But WATER is not the cleansing agent! To be saved, one must be WASHED by God through the word of God (Ephesians 5:26). To be baptized with the Holy Spirit means to be saved. Water baptism is simply a SIGN indicating that as water cleanses the filth of the flesh, so God must wash us from our sin to save us. Water baptism is like circumcision of the OT.
---Ed_from_IL on 9/12/07


We immediately receive the Holy Spirit at our salvation -- The Holy Spirit seals us. The baptism in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues is a separate infilling of the Holy Spirit after salvation.
---Helen_5378 on 9/12/07


The very minute you are saved, the Holy Spirit comes to live inside your soul.
---shira on 3/27/07


Bro. Bruce, Romans 8:9 Spirit of God, Spirit of Christ,not Holy Ghost. If verse was referring to Holy Ghost wouldn't it have also said it? Christ made a distinction between He, His Father, and the Holy Ghost. He didn't lump them all together. I have believed just like you do,and as I said I am still seeking the full enlightenment on this area of the Bible,but I can't see how God would give part of the Holy Spirit at repentence and the rest later, what would be the point making it a two part process?
---Darlene_1 on 6/28/06


PART ONE:
Darlene,
If I understand you correctly, you are not drawing a distinction between receiving the Holy Spirit and Baptism in the Holy Spirit? And yet you seem to think that someone can be saved before recieving the Holy Spirit.
---Bruce5656 on 6/28/06


PART TWO:
If so, how do you reconcile the scripture Romans 8:9, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." With that?

God dosen't change? No, but the way he deals with man certainly has.
---Bruce5656 on 6/28/06


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Bro.Bruce,ha ha good try. No, Jesus prayed Father to sent a Comforter, in answer, God set up a specific way to receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.With tongues. God had one way to give the Holy Spirit in Old Testament,only for Prophets,Priests,and Kings,they had to be anointed with a specific oil in a ceremony to receive. One way only. God doesn't change. Established the one way only in Acts. He didn't say He would give HG as a matter of routine when repent. Bible says ask and you shall receive HG.
---Darlene_1 on 6/28/06


In the meantime, I agree that we must "rightly divide" the Word. I've learned, so far, the giving of the Spirit was progressively different from one age to another. ie OT Israel received the HS according to His will. Peoples during Jesus' discipleship were given the HS through prayer. NT peoples have had the HS poured out onto them freely as prophesied in Joel 2:28-29.
---Loree on 6/27/06


I am currently studying the Word in the Spirit concerning this subject. I will let you know what He teaches me. [cont]
---Loree on 6/27/06


Rev. Chris, you are absolutely correct. We can be saved and never grow. I am closely related to one that was saved two years ago and has not grown one little iota.
---shira on 6/26/06


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...And yes when you are saved you are saved . You have the Holy Spirit with you . That is who directs you ,convicts us when we sin,teaches us when we read Fathers Word. He is everything . You can be saved at 14 and live to be 144 and not grow a day older in your maturity with Christ .You can be saved and shortly grow in your maturity with Christ it's all up to you on how far you want to fallow Christ. Some pastors are still children in thier walk some laymen are grandfathers in thiers.
---rev._chris on 6/25/06


Upon recieveing Jesus as our saviour we are born agian into a new life with Him. Just as we are born as a child we grow. We grow out of the babyfood ,diapers, toddler food, training pants, kindergarden, 5th grade, high school, collage, etc... As we also grow as a fallower of Christ and we dig deeper in His word and ask , there is a seperate babtism . That is the "filled with The Holy Spirit" babtism. It is a growth point in our understanding and maturity with Christ.
---rev._chris on 6/25/06


Although several baptisms are mentioned, the only "baptism" required is the baptism into the body of Christ or the New Birth.[John 3:3-5]
---Rickey on 6/25/06


There are several baptisms listed in the bible:
1. The new birth or baptised into the body of Christ(1Corinthians 12:13)
2. Baptism in the Holy Spirit[Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:33]
3. Baptism in water [Matthew 28:19]
4. John's Baptism--Baptism unto repentance; it was OT
5. Baptism in Jesus' Name--for Jews converting from Judeoism to Christianity(Acts 2)
6. Parting of the red sea
---Rickey on 6/25/06


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I am surprised at the people who pick and chose the scripture that suits their belief but ignore the rest. They say that Acts is for today (spirit baptism, tongues, etc) but won't follow the rest of the early church example.

Ac 2:45
And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
---Rev_Herb on 6/25/06


Mark was written to the Jews and Mark 16:17,18 are one thoutht therefore if we are to speak in tongues the prove We have the Holy Spirit, then we should also take up serpents. I taking up serpents is tempting the Lord, the speaking in tonges must be aslo.

What are the seven baptisms?
---Rev_Herb on 6/25/06


Acts gives the church history of how the church developed. You don't hear much about tongues after Acts, except in Cor. where Paul was correcting the missuse of tongues. You have to rightly divide the word to correctly understand it.
---Rev_Herb on 6/25/06


Acts 9:17 - Paul, Paul was a Jew and also was to be an apostle. You will also notice that water baptism was required for the salvation of a Jew, Yet it is not required of us today unless you are Church of Christ.
---Rev_Herb on 6/25/06


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Bruce
Acts 8 - Samaritan revival,

Herb

The Samaritan revival- This was done for a sign to the Jews and to prove that the apostles were of God. This is the beginning of a new dispensation. This was to establish the church. This was to prove the apostles were of God.
---Rev_Herb on 6/25/06


Bruce
People through out the book of Acts there are several examples of people receiving the Baptism in the Holy Spirit following conversion.
Acts 2 - those gathered in the upper room

Herb
Jesus had told them to wait for the Holy Ghost because he had not sent the Holy Ghost till this time.
---Rev_Herb on 6/25/06


Bruce
it and Jesus promised it. (Acts 1:5)

Herb
Jesus had not returned to Heaven at this time therefore he had not sent the Holy Ghost back. There was a transition period in the book of Acts.
---Rev_Herb on 6/25/06


Bruce
However, subsequent to (following after) conversion we may receive what is known as the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. John prophesied (Matt 3:11)

Herb
John did prophesy (Matt. 3:11) of the coming of the Holy Ghost and fire. However fire was not for the Christians, but the Lost. Where fire is mentioned in the bible it refers to judgment.
---Rev_Herb on 6/25/06


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Bruce
The simple answer is that you receive the Holy Spirit at conversion.( I Cor. 12:13) This is the defining moment for you cannot be a Christian without the Holy Spirit in you. (Rom. 8:9)

Herb
To this I agree.
---Rev_Herb on 6/25/06


exzucuh

I do have an easy chair, but your friend who is a seventh day church of God came from the SDA which is a cult. They to are a cult trying to get to heaven by works, like keeping the 10 commandments, obstaining from eating certain food. It is no wonder he became possessed and spoke in tongues.
---Rev_Herb on 6/25/06


To clearly see that Helen's answer(and others also) are correct and to see that Rev. Herb is completely mistaken, all you have to do is read Chapter 19 in the book of ACTS. Not I have inside information(from the master Himself) that the book of a ACTS is operational, inforce and still part of the Bible to this very day.
---mima on 6/25/06


The Reverend Herb: You sound like a radical pentecostal when you say
"Why not drink posion and handle snakes as well? The bible says we can do it so why not?"
---Dmitris on 6/24/06


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Part 2
Herb in Matthew 4 Satan tried to get Jesus to jump off a cliff and the says angels would protect him. His response was "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."
---Othello on 6/24/06


Herb, what that scripture is saying, is that God will heal if something poisonous were to bite us. He doesn't say to tempt him by handling snakes!
---othello on 6/24/06


Rev herb I have a friend who was a seventh day church of God preacher he used to believe like you and attack the true gospel with his false doctrine. But one night after preaching against Tongues and the gifts he went home sat down in his easy chair and began to sing in tongues, He now preaches the truth, do you have an easy chair?
---exzucuh on 6/24/06


PART ONE:
Herb,

Herb I find your question to be quite disingenuous. However I will humor you again.

Jesus said you have to hate your family to be his disciple. Luke 14:26, "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
---Bruce5656 on 6/24/06


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PART TWO:
Well the same answer applies to your question. We do not handle snakes or drink poison because that is not what he was talking about. He was talking about divine protection in the course of fulfilling the great commission. A clear and specific example is that of Paul on the island of Melita Acts 28: 1-6
---Bruce5656 on 6/24/06


PART THREE:
In fact to deliberately handle snakes or to drink poison would be specifically against the Word of God. When Jesus was tempted to put himself in harms way, because, after all, God would not let any harm come to him, He replied quoted Deut 6:16; "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." The same would apply to anyone who might consider handling serpents or drinking poison. That in its self would be sin.
---Bruce5656 on 6/24/06


Darlene,
Would not these same verses prove that the Holy Spirit comes into ones "heart" since the Father Son and Holy Spirit are one?
---Bruce5656 on 6/24/06


Othello,

Why do you use part of the scriptures to prove you point but leave out the rest?

Mr16:18
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Why not drink posion and handle snakes as well? The bible says we can do it so why not?
---Rev_Herb on 6/24/06


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Bruce,these prove point. John 10:30 I and my Father are one. Ephesians3:17 That Christ may dwell in your "hearts" by faith;-.God does too.> John14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him,if a man love me he will keep my words and my Father will love him,and "we" will come unto him and make our "abode" with him. Romans8:9 But ye are not in the flesh,but in the Spirit,if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ,he is none of his.
---Darlene_1 on 6/24/06


Well put Brother Bruce. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
---Alphonso on 6/24/06


Jesus said when the Holy ghost comes he will lead you into all truth after jesus breathed on his disiples they had their understanding of the scriptures which meant they had the holy Spirit to open their eyes,why do you limit God to your understanding Jesus is the I Am which means he can do anything any time anyway he pleases he is not limited to your doctrine.
---exzucuh on 6/24/06


God could not come near to any person because they were defiled, thats why he was in the holiest of holies and the ark of the covenant. The blood of Jesus has cleansed us and made us a worthy vessels for the Father to dwell in. If we repent and be baptized we shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost the indwelling Spirit you must be baptized in the Holy Ghost to receive power. If you are filled with the Holy Ghost he is inside you if you are baptized in the Holy Ghost you are emersed in him
---exzucuh on 6/24/06


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Brother Bruce,I can't quote Verse right at the moment but I read it and will try to find it again. You have given me several different verses ,to help me study ,which you believe show where Holy Ghost comes in when saved,I'm sorry, they didn't prove to me its that way. After study I didn't see where they applied to that but was about the Acts infilling or something else. I'm still searching ,won't give up until I can see for myself, exactly what the Bible means. Thanks, for helping me in my study process.
---Darlene_1 on 6/24/06


The moment you except Jesus as Savior & Lord, the Holy Spirit comes & lives in you.(Romans 8:14-17) Read through Acts.
Also look at Hebrews 6:1-2. It talks about the "doctrine of baptisms".
There are several baptisms listed in the bible:
1. The new birth or baptised into the body of Christ(1Corinthians 12:13)
2. Baptism in the Holy Spirit[Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:33]
3. Baptism in water [Matthew 28:19]
---Rickey on 6/24/06


The Apostles weren't filled with the Holy Ghost when Jesus breathed on them. Just as God breathed life into the dirt of the earth and made Adam in Genesis, Christ breathed life into the Apostles,it was a new birth for them. When He said receive ye the Holy Ghost He was telling them,(Strongs) to take to oneself,to claim,not to reject,to make ones own,in Acts Jesus told them to tarry until endued with power from on high. If they already had Holy Ghost Christ wouldn't have told them to wait for it.
---Darlene_1 on 6/24/06


PART ONE:
Loree,

The simple answer is that you receive the Holy Spirit at conversion.( I Cor. 12:13) This is the defining moment for you cannot be a Christian without the Holy Spirit in you. (Rom. 8:9)

However, subsequent to (following after) conversion we may receive what is known as the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. John prophesied (Matt 3:11) it and Jesus promised it. (Acts 1:5)
---Bruce5656 on 6/24/06


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PART TWO:
People through out the book of Acts there are several examples of people receiving the Baptism in the Holy Spirit following conversion.
Acts 2 - those gathered in the upper room
Acts 8 - Samaritan revival,
Acts 9:17 - Paul,
Acts 19 Ephesians

You will read answers from those who do not believe this to be true such as Herb below. But of the numerous times this question has come up on these blogs,
---Bruce5656 on 6/24/06


PART THREE:
and Herb and I have entered into the discussion, not once has he offered an alternative understanding of the passages I noted above. All he will say is that you cannot base doctrine on the book of Acts. The bible says 2 Tim. 3:16, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
---Bruce5656 on 6/24/06


Darlene,
Since you have done so much studying on the subject would you please show us where the Bible says that "Jesus and the Father come into your heart then".
---Bruce5656 on 6/24/06


The disciples received the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them (the book of John) but then they received a complete filling on the day of Pentecost (the book of Acts).
---amathia on 6/24/06


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I've studied a lot about infilling of the Holy Ghost, I haven't been convinced you have any Holy Ghost that comes into you when saved. Bible says Jesus and the Father come into your heart then. The Bible says the Holy Spirit is with you and will be in you. NT, infilling, they didn't receive Him until they were baptised with the Holy Ghost and fire and spoke in tongues. I didn't receive the Baptism until 11 years after I was saved, two different experiences. Holy Ghost comes into body not just heart.
---Darlene_1 on 6/24/06


The Holy Spirit makes us aware that we are sinners in need of a Saviour. When we accept Jesus as our Saviour the Holy Spirit dwells within us. There are also gifts of the Holy Spirit - gifts PLURAL - not one gift of tongues only. To know what these gifts are read 1 Corinthians 12 from verse 4 to the end of the chapter and take particular notice of what is said in verses 29 and 30.
---M.P. on 6/24/06


Jhon 14:16
Jesus told the deciples that when he went he would send the comforter,2000+ years ago so we now have him. He also said that v17 ''for you know him: for he dweleth in you, and shall be in you...''

Luke 11:13
..how much more shall your heavenly father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

so we have him as long as we ask, no greiving for him no waiting, He was given as a comforter to us to reveal Jesus Christ to us and help us to remember his words.
---Carla5754 on 6/24/06


Mr. Herb...Why did the gift of speaking in tongues end as you claim? Where do you see that in the Bible? Do you have one of those Catholic Bibles with the extra books?
---Butrose on 6/24/06


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So Herb, tongues may be dead in your church, but here is what my Bible says
Mark 16:17 " And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"
---Othello on 6/24/06


Getting saved and being filled with the Spirit is a two step process. It all doesn't happen at the same time. It is hard to convince someone who has had the two very distinct experiences to believe that it a one step process. I and many others were saved and then ater filled with the Spirit. You can't be filled without being saved, but you can be saved without being filled. I know this from personal experience.
---Debbie on 6/24/06


We immediately receive the Holy Spirit at our salvation. The Holy Spirit is a person (He), not an it. He is very real presence of God who never leaves or forsakes us (Hebrews 13:5-6) and is always with us after receiving Him (Matthew 28:20). How close are you right now in your relationship with God's Spirit?
---Raymond on 6/24/06


Ypu receive the Holy Spirit at the moment you get saved. You get all the Holy Spirit you need at that time. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a false teaching because people don't know how to rightly divide the Word of Truth. The speaking in tongues was to confirm what the apostles were teaching. Tongues ceased after the apostles only to be revived in the 1800s. These tongues today are not from the Holy Spirit.
---Rev_Herb on 6/24/06


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It is the Holy Spirit that draws us to salvation. Our minds are simply opened to Him to a greater extent after we receive salvation. No man can come to Jesus unless the Father draws him.
---josef on 6/24/06


i just want to know the answer to the question
---karen on 6/23/06


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