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How many Catholics read their bible? Do any of the Catholics that read the bible read the KJV?

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Acts 17:26-29 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place,that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us,for
"'In him we live and move and have our being, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we are indeed his offspring.'"
---Lee1538 on 12/27/08


A "You believe that "god" is speaking to the 850 million non-believers in the world, who are unable and unwilling to listen and hear him."

Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.

Jerry.

Like I say, there is enough in the bible so that you can pick a verse and prove whatever you want to believe and whatever you want to believe about "god".

So this one means, that 850 million people, are not hearing the "god" that Jerry does hear.

Oh that was in the past, how many athiests, agnostics, Jews, Islamists, Buddhists, etc., were around when this was written.
---atheist on 12/26/08


A "You believe that "god" is speaking to the 850 million non-believers in the world, who are unable and unwilling to listen and hear him."

Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
---jerry6593 on 12/24/08


Athiest, my believe in your question is that God's plan in the beginning took a turn when Adam sinned. And since then sin is in the lives of everyone. God had to permit that to happen because He is God and could have stopped even Adam from sinning if He so desired. But permitted sin to enter for a purpose that He only knows. He knew what people would do without Him.
Yet even though He knew they would sin, since He asigned Christ as a sacrifice for sin from the foundations of the world, He made sure to permit man to come back to Him. And while this is happening, people coming to Christ, many other things are still happening because of sin. When sin is taken care of, things will be back as He wanted in the beginning.
---MarkV. on 12/24/08


I apologize alan.
I was making a joke and we are all adults here I hope.
thank you markv, you are correct in that assumption.
mic, I am still awaiting an answer to what I asked you.

athiest to anser that question-
Matthew 7:13-16 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?"
thank you and God bless you all!
---miche3754 on 12/23/08




Jerry,

You believe that "god" is speaking to the 850 million non-believers in the world, who are unable and unwilling to listen and hear him.

There are more than twice the number of "believers" in the world than non-believers. Those include believers including Muslims and Budhists, who have been here accused of believing in a "false god". But to them, they are hearing "god", and unlike non-believers are willing to listen.

Why is "god" unable in his omnipotence to clarify who or what he is in a manner that would create one religion and belief in one "true god". Why are there so many reilgions, each with a "god" whose adherents mistrust each other?
---atheist on 12/23/08


Alan, when I read Miche statement, I too thought about that passage but in my mind I knew what she meant. That world before the fall was different. Since the curse everything changed. I am sure she was refering to the time after the fall.
I believe she is doing a fine job in answering and still under control. She is patient and reading and studying very hard. She if fighting for the Truth. The rest is up to God.
---MarkV. on 12/23/08


Nana: What???? Were you trying to make a point? You argue against God's word - not against me!
---jerry6593 on 12/23/08


Miche ... I was not being funny ... I was making the comment lest anyone took your words absolutely literally.

You did say "anything" .an Gen 1.28 does ot refer to a general "earth" but to many different things ... the fish, the fowl, the animals, the plants.

Man was given dominion over all these things.
---alan_of_UK on 12/22/08


alan, brother stop being funny.
Gen 1:28 is over the earth.
We are talking about the body of Christ.
These are two very different things.
athiest,
"So then I take it that you ignore the words of you pastor,"
No,but because man has faults not all speak truth, God tells us this:
1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2Titus 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
I hope this helps.
---miche3754 on 12/22/08




Atheist: What on earth are you doing here? FYI, God is speaking to the 850 M unbelievers like you. He continues to speak to you every day. That's why you can't stay away from this website. Why don't you quit protesting for one moment and give God a chance to prove Himself to you?

Psa 14:1 ... The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
---jerry6593 on 12/22/08


Rev 5:8: "And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints."
James 5:16: "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."
Not only prayers, Jude 1:22: "And of some have compassion, making a difference: 23: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh."
Thus, jerry6593 builds a doctrine on one verse, annuling the value of God's saints and servants. Keep it up, I'll soon see you as a "hyper-Calvinist" of the worst kind...
---Nana on 12/22/08


Thus, according to the Bible, neither the Pope, nor the Virgin Mary, nor Saints nor priests can be mediators between God and men!
---jerry6593 on 12/20/08

So then I take it that you ignore the words of you pastor, just as I and everyone else should ignore your words and the words of each other in regard to what "god" wants.

This explains why there are so many different religions, and on granular examination why each person has their particular and peculiar personal "god", or not in my case.

If there is one omnipotent "god" why doesn't he keep his story straight? Why isn't he talking to 850 million agnostics and atheists in the world?
---atheist on 12/21/08


1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Thus, according to the Bible, neither the Pope, nor the Virgin Mary, nor Saints nor priests can be mediators between God and men!
---jerry6593 on 12/20/08


Rhonda & Miche ...

"!NOWHERE does God or Jesus say anything was given to man(us humans or the Rcc) to control.
The only thing we are given is GRACE!! Forgiveness of our sins through Jesus Christ"

I agree with you regarding the matters being discussed in this blog .... BUT Genesis 1.28
---alan_of_UK on 12/20/08


Mic,
I am not saying what Jesus said is false. It is truth.
I am saying your interpretation is wrong.
Answer these for me, mic
If Jesus had given the keys away, then Why does Jesus say he still has them in revelations chapter 1?
If the RCC and Peter are the Rock, then why does Jesus disagree with this by saying SEVERAL TIMES throughout the entire Bible that He(JESUS) IS THE ROCK?

I am saying that the early church fathers (not including Peter) saw an opportunity to seize power by translating this to say what they wanted it to say instead of SPEAKING THE TRUTH!!
---miche3754 on 12/20/08


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John 17:20: "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word,"
Romans 10:14: "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15: And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!"
The Great Commission?
---Nana on 12/20/08


NOWHERE does God or Jesus say anything was given to man(us humans or the Rcc) to control.
The only thing we are given is GRACE!! Forgiveness of our sins through Jesus Christ.
---miche3754 on 12/19/08

AMEN Miche
---Rhonda on 12/19/08


Mic is just quoting the word of God so it is not His statement but God's word MISCHE!!It is Jesus's doctrine no replacement it is mans and your denial against Jesus word.Are you saying Jesus's word is False?Read Matt.16:13-19 if you desire Proof of His seal.which again you cannot break -cause the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.Toss this any way up and it comes up "THE TRUTH" You want grace Follow him His way not your ownagain B/c He dispenses grace to those who agree with him not against him."Those not with me shall NOT inherit my Kingdom"
---MIC on 12/19/08


The RCC holds that authority HIS DOCTRINE, and they dispense it by the power of the Holy Spirit.-mic
The RCC does not hold any authority this is the falicy of men. JESUS was given Authority over all things in the Heaven and the earth.
The Holy Spirit is FREELY given by God to ALL who ask.
katavasia,
YES, they were wrong because no man or doctrine can take Jesus place.
These statements are contridictory to what God and Jesus say there fore they are FALSE!!
NOWHERE does God or Jesus say anything was given to man(us humans or the Rcc) to control.
The only thing we are given is GRACE!! Forgiveness of our sins through Jesus Christ.
---miche3754 on 12/19/08


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Katavasia:-Your observation is not uncommon .But consider the fact that child like simplicity was more prevalant among those who really cared, for God -The majority did not.The opposition reared its head with the Scribes Pharisees,during Jesus time.They considered themselves Learned.The RCC thrived for 1500 years or there about, still again learning started to take a side in another opposition against God.WHO orchestrated this and why?From where does this attack emanate?and again why?The tussel for Power between Good and evil has been in existance since Creation Genesis.solve this and you have your TRUE answer.The Prophecy of Gen3:15 will be played out.Beware of your choice.
---MIC on 12/18/08


FOLLOW THE SEED [BACK]TO THE FOUNDATION PLANTED [IN]:
THE FOUNDATION ALREADY LAID.

I AM THAT I AM...

ONE DOCTRINE:GOD'S WORD HE SWORE BY.
"WAS,IS,FOREVER SHALL BE"
JESUS CHRIST THE SAME YESTERDAY,TODAY,FOREVER...
Heb13:8
IS:45

Apostle Doctrine?Son of God...ONLY WAY BACK..
repentance/remission.
Holy Spirit:Teacher,BREATHE(I AM)...

Jesus asked...
[WHO] do you say ["I AM?"].
Matt16


ONE FOUNDATION,NOT TWO.

...OTHER FOUNDATION NO MAN LAY [THAN] THAT IS LAID:JESUS CHRIST.
1Cor3:11
..."I lay in Zion for a FOUNDATION a STONE,A TRIED STONE,a precious CORNER STONE,a sure FOUNDATION:he that believeth shall not haste.
Is28:16-17

God's Peace.
---char on 12/18/08


** mic, there are lots of things you and I agree on.
This scripture was grossly misinterpreted by the early church fathers.
It was interpretations like this, that the RCC were the only ones given power by Jesus,**

Interesting that the first generation and everybody else got the scriptures wrong for 1500 years.
---katavasia on 12/18/08


Mische:-The biggest disagreement is to acknowlege 'THE FACT"Jesus came to spread HIS Gospel,His plan, His church,under PETER Matt16:13-19 NO OTHER WAS even hinted at.NOW Mische acknowledge this fact and everything else fits into place .His words at age 12 "Did you not know I must be about My Fathers business"?This is why he came and ends with the words "IT is finished"Jesus speaks about His authority on more than one occassion.The RCC holds that authority HIS DOCTRINE, and they dispense it by the power of the Holy Spirit.Finally I give you Revelations 3:18-29.Peace Mische.Happy Christmas.
---MIC on 12/18/08


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mic, there are lots of things you and I agree on.
This scripture was grossly misinterpreted by the early church fathers.
It was interpretations like this, that the RCC were the only ones given power by Jesus,
is what caused the first division between RCC and eastern orthodox, and again by protestants.
God's truth will come out no matter how hard man trys to hide it.
No man or denonmation, or doctrine can save us.
The RCC says that they have the only way and they have the only keys.
BUT JESUS SAY "I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE, NO MAN cometh to the Father BUT through ME!"
What the RCC says about the "keys" and in there doctrine conflicts with this Key verse in the WORD.
---miche3754 on 12/18/08


Mische:-My way is God's way not my interpretation but by His word. Jesus instituted,His church, doctrines and sacraments. He came to teach US using words of 'Follow' 'be perfect'.Now if you say that that this is not truth then what is truth by your standard of denial.The Doctrine continued by Peter is the rock, Christ is the head and the people are those who follow Peter and Christ's doctrine.NOT MAN MADE MEASURES. why do I hang in here?I should have left years ago seeing the opposition which still exists.You have had some very strong RCC proponents on this CN.many have given up due to hardheartedness, shown here.I have stayed b/c there are others who see the value in what I say those are the ones who count not the Objectionists.
---MIC on 12/17/08


mic, I respect you and I know that passage very well.
But the way you are seeing it is not the truth.
Christ is the rock and the Church is the body of Christ with Christ a the Head.
No matter what you say, it does not change this truth revealed by the Holy Spirit through out the entire new testament.
No where in the New Testament does it say Catholic is the way.
It says Christ is the way. And that Christ has the keys(revelations 1), not anyone else.
you can't get Christ from a denomination or doctrine. ONLY in Spirit and truth.
---miche3754 on 12/17/08


Mische:- The quote is based on GOD's word Matt16:13-19 no church fathers or common human man.Since you put Luther above God you have supplied question and answer of your own destiny.Christianity actually started in Genesis but you cannot see the difference in spite of the prophets who spoke of His coming ie Jesus Remember Jesus "HIS SEED" Gen3:15. :-(Its all there just follow and connect the dots.SIMPLE if you Believe
---MIC on 12/17/08


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Mische:- The quote is based on GOD's word Matt16:13-19 no church fathers or common human man.Since you put Luther above God you have supplied question and answer of your own destiny.Christianity actually started in Genesis but you cannot see the difference in spite of the prophets who spoke of His coming ie Jesus Remember Jesus "HIS SEED" Gen3:15. :-(Its all there just follow and connect the dots.SIMPLE if you Believe
---MIC on 12/17/08


but paul2, how is rhonda misquoting when the RCC says that if you aren't with them, then you aren't saved and if you don't become rcc that you can't get to God.
That they were given keys from paul and no one else has them. that the RCC is the rock and foundation Christ was gonna build the church on.
This is all false doctrine spread by the church fathers of the RCC.
If you say that Christ is the only way and the only rock and is the only one with the keys to everlasting life, then you are not rcc. to them you are a heretic(like luther).
I for one love my 66 book TRUE WORD OF GOD!
---miche3754 on 12/17/08


Rhonday, everyone mentions the Protestant, KJV etc - I said our Bible, meaning the Catholic version.

Also, the RCC does not believe that Christ came just for us but we believe He came to save ALL humanity.

Stop misquoting please.
---Paul2 on 12/17/08


Jesus said he came for all, jew and gentile.
So, what God wrote in the old testament originally is good enough for me. I like the 66 book bible, nothing added, and nothing taken away
*******

Yes Christ did come for all always fascinating rcc thinks it was just them and by their actions and words believe they "own" him forgetting Christ IS THE WORD

God guided the ancients with the OT, The Holy Spirit guided the Apostles who canonized the NT

original Greek lines up with 66 books because all these books agree

latin vulgate does not line up with the orginal Greek and their added books do not agree with the original 66
---Rhonda on 12/16/08


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amen sister Rhonda, amen.
That is one way to put it.
What the Rcc does not realize is that their church fathers added those books to distance themselves from the jews.
Jesus said he came for all, jew and gentile.
So, what God wrote in the old testament originally is good enough for me. I like the 66 book bible, nothing added, and nothing taken away. (unless you count the fact that Luther fixed the damage the early church fathers did to the old testament) That was the greatest Holy SPirit guided fix I have ever seen!
---miche3754 on 12/16/08


Miche, our Bible was in existence BEFORE your Bible so it's you who changed it.

I read my Bible but I'm not a fanatic.
*******

"our" bible

Gods Word isn't OWNED by anyone

you know someone has been led away from Gods Truth when they have their "own" bible
---Rhonda on 12/16/08


paul2,
the cannonized Bible is a compilation of books used by each congragation.
Theres a lot of books disregarded by the RCC. Simply because they werent mature enough in the Knowledge of the Holy Spirit to know that these books were in fact also HS inspired. They didn't understand them. So they didn't make the cut when putting the Bible together.
I only said that the RCC added to the original Old Testament. In the New Testament, our books are the same. I read some of the OT books in the RCC Bible.
Maccabees says something about Pentecost. I asked Mic how this is possible because Pentecost happend after Jesus came. But this is talked about in the OT. I find that strange and proof that it may be false or need to be moved to the NT.
---miche3754 on 12/16/08


Miche, our Bible was in existence BEFORE your Bible so it's you who changed it.

I read my Bible but I'm not a fanatic.
---Paul2 on 12/16/08


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you know mic, I am tired of this arguement.

I have read SEVERAL versions of the Bible, including yours(catholic) and the strange thing is is that Your version is THE ONLY ONE THAT puts that verse like that.
Don't you thing that VERY STRANGE?
I do. It seems to me that it was changed to back up the falseness behind mary being a forever virgin.
God is clearly in 99% of the versions of the Bible talking about Eve's SEED which is JESUS.
Mary is 100% human, and therefore was born into sin. She was never sinless. Only JESUS is sinless.
So, brother, I will continue to pray for you that God will opne your eyes to this blasphemy you believe in and that you will redeem your soul and put FULL TRUST IN JESUS ONLY.
---miche3754 on 12/15/08


Mishe:-Since you need and read Hebrew, in your Tanakh.I shall not argue your Jewish customs and Indoctrinations.But The english version as taught to us is clear, There were 3 conversations by GOD with:- 1Satan GENESIS3:14-15.---2.Eve.Genes3:16,and ---3.Adam Gen3.17-19.If you cannot read English which I know you do, Then you are is denial, of Gods word and should remain in the roots of the Jewish Tanakh.Jesus preached his gospelClearly to understand.
---MIC on 12/12/08


mic, "the woman" is eve. Thats who God was speaking to in the beginning. Plainly recorded in the tanakh-OT
I believe like this, why add when its not needed? This was done as Christianity spread. The 1st Council at Nicene ADDED books to the OT (which shouldn't have been done) & decided which books were appropriate for the NT.
I see the Body Of Christ was young in Spirit then- still on the "milk of the Word". In many books churches used BEFORE a Canonized Bible came into existance(325ad) there is lots of Spiritual meaning NOT understood by them at that time.
Thats WHY these others books werent used. They "seemed" to contridict when actually the edify each other.
---miche3754 on 12/12/08


Mishe:-The NT was started in Gen. 3:15-remember "the woman"Introduced 2000 years ago is all part and parcel of the same scenario same God the trinity.God gave the humanity of the world several chances to improve but they did not understand and could not see their way for trees in the forest. Gradual opening of knowledge and literacy has evolved man to the present day stage, but does He still know what God wants?or even try?But it is in his book.Satan has deceived man and will continue to do so till man realises that what God says "I am your God dont make strange Gods above me"He gives us HIS Church ??Follow me?do we?
---MIC on 12/10/08


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so this means they do not belong in the Old Testament.
mic, the Old testament was written way before Christ came. it is over 2000 years old. Doesn't this seem odd to you that these books are considered OT when they clearly should be NT?
Maybe this is the dispute Luther was talking about.
This surely does not line up with what Jesus says.
Even the books in the NT(ours are the same) was written before 325ad. or the Nicene council could not have decided which ones to put in the NT. Are you sure this is not a ploy from the enemy to confuse many and lead them astray?
See, this is why we are suppose study the WORD ourselves and not just listen to what man tells us.
---miche3754 on 12/9/08


It seems these books were written in the early christian era as it says 1 mac 10:1,160 years.
---MIC on 12/8/08


mic, I googled feast of Pentecost by Jews and this feast did not come into existance until AFTER CHRIST WAS CRUCIFIED.
It is equivalent to our easter celebration.
So please explain that to me.
Nothing Pentecost happend until AFTER Crist death.
The events that I read in maccabees clearly happend after Christ was here and Gone. So why are these books in the OT?
markv, we know this. I said it was the Jews that crucified him. I know Christ was crucified for our sins by the jews. Because they didn't realize Jesus was the Messiah.
---miche3754 on 12/8/08


The reason Jesus died on the Cross was not because of the Jews, it was because of the sins of the world. The RCC blamed the Jews for killing Jesus, and persecuting them through out history. They didn't understand why Christ came. But it was the sins of the world why Christ died on the Cross. It was ordained by God from the foundations of the world for Him to be a sacrifice for sins.
---MarkV. on 12/8/08


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Mische:-The feast of Pentacost was a celebration by the jews of those days.I dont know the relation, not being a Jew, but if there is a relation then it would be equivalent to a similar prophesy about the coming of Jesus and Mary,as is testified by most prophets in the OT.This is the only true explaination I have.
---MIC on 12/8/08


mic, you are correct on that.
It was the Jews that crucified our LORD Jesus Christ.
I was just stating the fact that the old testament HAS been changed and added to by the RCC. And that our OT comes from the jews.
Our New Testament we Believe in but of course the jews don't because they still haven't realized that Jesus has already been here.
I recently read 2 maccabees like you asked me to do.
Now, I have a question that maybe you can answer. If it is suppose to be an account of events before Jesus(OT) then why does it mention Pentacost in 2 Maccabees 12:32?
Pentecost(the Coming of The Holy Spirit) did not happen until AFTER Jesus died on the cross.
This is recorded in Acts 2.
---miche3754 on 12/8/08


Mshe:-I do not doubt the verasity of what you say but do deny Juadism =Christianity as THEY the jews rejected The cornerstone who was Jesus the founder of christianity in Matt16:13-19 to become by apostolic succession the RCC.
---Mic on 12/6/08


mic, judaism is the base for Christianity.
The Old Testament(tanakh) is the prophecy of Jesus and history and Laws before Christ.
This is what makes up OUR OT.
That is why the 7 books are missing from the KJV. Because they are false and did not exist before Christ did. They were written and added AFTER Christ came and died on the Cross.
The entire Bible consists of two parts-the Judaism tanakh which the old testament and Christian New Testament.
I apologize if you do not seem to understand that the RCC added books. But, brother, they did when they should not have.
The extra books you read in the OT did NOT exist Before Jesus.
---miche3754 on 12/5/08


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Mish:The Tanakh and what you cite are of Juadasim.is this christianity?Dont throw dust in peoples eyes False propaganda will cost you your eternal soul.where are the, and why are the 7 books missing from the KJV.we have 73 you have 66.Your explaination is as FALSE as is the deceiver who said "You shall be like god and know everything"
---Mic on 12/3/08


mic
Heres Proof. Only books missing are ones RCC Bible
Torah(Teachings)
1.Genesis 2.Exodus 3.Leviticus 4.Numbers 5.Deuteronomy
Nevi'im(Prophets)
6.Joshua 7.Judges 8.Samuel I & II
9.Kings I & II 10.Isaiah 11.Jeremiah
12.Ezekiel 13.The Twelve Prophets
a.Hosea b.Joel c.Amos d.Obadiah e.Jonah
f.Micah g.Nahum h.Habakkuk i.Zephaniah
j.Haggai k.Zechariah l.Malachi
Ketuvim ("Writings")
14.Psalms 15.Proverbs 16.Job
The "Five Megilot" or "Five Scrolls":
17.Song of Songs 18.Ruth 19.Lamentations
20.Ecclesiastes 21.Esther
The rest of the "Writings":
22.Daniel 23.Ezra-Nehemiah
24.Chronicles I & II
---miche3754 on 12/3/08


Mic ... I haven't the foggiest clue about all that detail, and I really don't care.

My only point when I wrote was to ask why someone appeared to think that the KJV was the only valid version of the Bible.
---alan_of_UK on 12/3/08


"The Tanakh is the OT.'I BELIEVE' it is the only one to be used."Right and we must discredit Jesus words "I came not to break the law but to fulfill it"Is This Tanakh the Torah- so throw out the Bible and use the Tanakh.It is a good thing God introduced 'MY Church' Natt16:13-19- the good book says BEWARE of FALSE PROPHETS -a new one is on the horizon.Halleujia!
---Mic on 12/2/08


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Alan of UK:-Enter the word Tanakh on the CN live search engine:-This is what I got and I transcribe:-The book of Judasim.Shalom:this book is a literal transalation of the Tanakh commonly and incorrectly known as the Old Testament complete with Jewish History,culture,covers every thing from Antisemitism to Zionism.It includes a glossary,Bibliography of web sites.It is a brain child ofJesse Poe who worked as a producer engineer for various groups.Tanakh formed in Richmond.VA. in 2000- There you have it.OH what a web we weave when first we practice to deceive.
---Mic on 12/2/08


actually with focus on my mother country(Uganda), there are few catholics who read the bible. they look at it as a book read for the born again Christians and what is amusing is that, when they see one reading a bible they begin saying that she or he has changed religion to a born again Christian.
it has been only of recent that the charismatic renewal group has come up in the catholic church that catholics have adopted reading bible. but in the past, catholics depended on the books that were printed from Rome illustrating orders of the mass when and how they were to be recited.
---josephine on 12/2/08


alan,
this is the Old testament only.
We all know that it comes from the Israelites
before Christ was born.
The books I listed are in the original cannon of the Old Testament.
The RCC added books to it at the Nicene Council in 325. They also decided what books would be cannonized for the New Testament.
So the version that the RCC gives as the Old Testament is not the original.
I hope this doesn't upset them but it is truth.
Mic, brother, they are not less in number actually. They are just listed differently.
The Tanakh is the Original Old Testament,I believe it should be the only one used as far as the OT is concerned.
---miche3754 on 12/2/08


"Actually Luther was putting the old testament back the way it was originally meant to be"Is this a false statement, If it was being put back to originality Could some one explaain why the books are "less in number" 46 OT 27NT=73actually 7less.I would consider this as fabrication -to what purpose- is by the declarer.People respond with Thanks even if false.who wish to discover the truth!!shame.
---Mic on 12/1/08


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Miche ... How can the KJV be regarded as the only valid version, when it was created about 5 centuries ago?

Was there no Bible till then?
---alan_of_UK on 12/1/08


Thanks for the info Miche.
---Anne on 12/1/08


I am sure many catholics read their Bible but they do not read the KJV. They read a Bible created for them by them. They added books to the Hebrew Tanakh. This makes up the Old Testament in the KJV Bible.
The Rcc says that Luther removed books, when actaully Luther was putting the Old Testament back the way it originally was meant to be.
So the KJV is actually the correct version. I say this because the Hebrew Tanakh was written before the Rcc Bible.
Also, there was no more given to the prophets but Tanakh until after Jesus came and died for our sins. That is the New Testament.
---miche3754 on 12/1/08


Nicole, the manner of how you replied to my post shows that you really are not out to seek the truth.

Mat.23:9 "call no man your father..." and you replied by citing verses out of context. (e.g. Mat.15:4-6) as if trying to clash the verses against each other. If you really were after the truth, then you should have dug deeper in the verses. "Why are we commanded to call no man father and in another verse are commanded to honour thy father...?"

Instead, you said "jesus used father many times..." -- then what is the command in Mat.23:9 given for? Did God just made a useless command?

"... it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs."
---manny on 11/26/08


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Manny, Jesus used the word father numberous times. Matt 15:4-6, 19:5,19,29, 21:31, John 8:56,
Luke 16:24,27,30
Paul calls himself father Phil 2:22, 1 Cor 4:15

Tb 12:12,14 "When you...prayed, it was I who presented and read the record OF YOUR PRAYER before the Glory of the Lord"
Rev 6:9-11,5:6-8, 8:3-4

GOD IS SPEAKING NOT MAN: Exodus 25
"Make two Cherubim of beaten gold for the.."
Even detail is given to the Cherubims
"The Cherubim shall have wings spread out above...their FACES looking toward..
Numbers 21:4-9, God is speaking:
"Make a saraph and mount it to a pole..looked at the bronze serpent, he recovered.

So are you confused or is God confused?
---Nicole on 11/25/08


Manny~ and it says to 'make no images of anything on earth below.' I have all sorts of images in my house of things of this earth, and I suppose all people do. I was even in an Amish house recently and saw that. We need to look deeper into that scripture.
---Anne on 11/24/08


Emcee 6/29/06>> "a large # of people who write..."

Well, I'm an ex-catholic and I "jumped ship" not because of OSAS -- because I don't believe in such either. BUT because I realized the false teachings of the catholics.

1. "call no man your father..."(Mat.23:9) -- "Rev. Father.." "Pope - from the Greek pappas"

2. "...let your request be made known unto God." (Phil.4:6) -- not to Mary, not to any saint... but TO GOD.

3. "...shalt not make...any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that IS IN HEAVEN above..." (Exo.20:4) -- dispute it all you want but I haven't seen a catholic church that doesn't have even a single "image of Jesus"
---manny on 11/24/08


Many Catholics read their bible daily. Many Catholics go to Daily Mass which has Bible readings in it.

Just as in any other denomination, there are fervent, practicing Catholics, nominal Catholics, and those who were Baptized Catholic and do not practice.

Actually, I think it would be more proper to say that Luther and the reformers removed a number of books from the Bible.

The KJV is not an accurate translation according to the Catholic Church.
---MaryLouise on 11/22/08


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Protestants have their own version of the Bible, with several books deleted which they don't approve of.
---InimicusStultitiae on 11/27/07


The Catholics have their own version of the Bible with extra books added in.
---Morris on 11/27/07


2 for the words of a teenager, praying for me and bringing God's Word to me was more then what I had learned as a Catholic. That teenager was put in my path to bring God's Word. Something many have tried doing for you.
---Lupe2618 on 6/29/06


Emcee, you will never know about OSAS until you get the point. And since you don't even have the essentials of the Christian faith in order due to your teaching, you will not be able to understand what it is to be born again. So I understand why you keep bringing the subject. As for hiding, I have never hided from where I came from. I alway say I was a Catholic. "WAS" I am not ashame, it had a purpose for my life and
---Lupe2618 on 6/29/06


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Thank you Emcee for your kind words. They inspired me this morning. There isn't a morning that I don't read about Catholics and the more I try to escape that denomination the more I come to its history. Again you made my day and only shows me how much you are inspired by the Holy Spirit each day. I am free Emcee, from the bondage of your Church. And able to now see the light of our salvation. Christ. Have a great day giving out more of what you know.
---Lupe2618 on 6/29/06


Lupe::You know what ?it is strange that a large # of the people who write on these Blogs & condenm the Catholic Church,are EXcatholics hiding under thr guise of Christians, quoting the bible, using Past historical events as an excuse & a reason for leaving the church. Fact! they Jumped SHIP-Result swim or SINK-Hopeing in SALVATION,useing OSAS.Rude & crude But TRUE
---Emcee on 6/29/06


2. I have given enough information for others to look at and augusta ask where are this Scriptures. I believe I have given enough and that anymore history to speak of from the Catholic church can be found anywhere. I believe that only time will tell who will find out and who will not. I close the subject of Catholics and let others take over. There is just too much to say on the matter. I move on to other things.
---Lupe2618 on 6/29/06


What makes me think you haven't done it is the way you answer to the worship of Mary and the saints. The excuses you give while others in your denomination don't even agree with you. When the Holy Spirit lives in the life of a believer he/she will do their best to know about Christ and have Him and Him alone as their one and only Mediator. Your one and only focus is Christ. By making someone else as your mediator you replace or lower the status of Christ, and divide what only belongs to Him.
---Lupe2618 on 6/29/06


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"When someone really and truely loves the Lord Jesus Christ, with all of their heart, that person will do anything to find out the truth if they are correctly been taught or not." ~Lupe

I'm curious, what makes you think that I haven't done this? Just because I'm Catholic?
---MaryLouise on 6/28/06


"Do not add to His words lest He rebuke you and you be found a liar" (Proverbs 30:6). If I were to take something that is not in God's Word and put it on an equal level with God's Word I would then be in effect adding to His words. All liars will be cast into the Lake of Fire. If you truly have God's Word, what on earth do you want something else too for?
---Helen_5378 on 6/28/06


Lupe, I haven't seen a non-Catholic poster here yet who has argued what the Catholic Church truly teaches. And when asked for sources for what they DO believe the Catholic Church teaches the question is always ignored. So if you're up for an honest discussion let's start at the logical place; Show me where the bible says that the bible ALONE is the sole authority for a Christian.
---augusta on 6/28/06


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