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Ed, here I was answering every comment you made and had an answer for all of them but as I refuse to go on answering directly to you from now on. The same as with Alan. I will comment on the blog from now on and not to you. What I stated from history is correct. What I stated of what the church allows or teaches is correct. I tried to move on but you continued to ask me just as he did, and now you are doing what he is doing. It really doesn't surprise me at all.
---Mark_V. on 12/9/07


Hello Alan

Nice to see you around. I don't want to flatter you but you are a breath of fresh air. When you are not defending a view point you write posts that are ENCOURAGING to others.
---Ed on 12/7/07


Ed "I don't mean to be rude, but time and time, again, Mark, you say things that other people didn't say, didn't suggest or didn't think (i have seen you do this with other people too)"
Join the club, Ed!
I bet he will not withdraw the untruthful allegation.
---alan_of_UK on 12/7/07


5. Mark

'They would get rid of all the idols in every church as to not represent or allow those who worship them to worship them. They do nothing because they will not change. Tradition'

So why don't you or your Church leaders do something about the Westboro Reformed Church and other Reformed Baptists who do other / say other disgraceful things.

And you think that there are pastors and members of the Reformed Baptist Church who do not act out of tradition either - AT TIMES.
---Ed on 12/6/07


6. Mark

'But as a church they are false. The reason many move from place to another is because they realize what the church is teaching is false and they go on to find a true teaching church'

- the exact same in the Catholic Church. You are completely free to leave a parish and join another. I wrote to my bishop about a matter and he said i was entirely free to join another parish.
---Ed on 12/6/07




7. Mark

What i have learned coming to this board is that Protestants are guilty of the exact same as Catholics (but in different ways, sometimes):

propaganda and brainwashing.

There are priests who do it. Just as there are pastors who do it.

Whether you are a Catholic or Protestant you must question everything. And base everything on fact. When do you ever refer to Catholic Catechism when condeming Catholicism?
---Ed on 12/6/07


2. Mark

'So to even suggest that God doesn't know who will choose Him' - following on from my last post, i never suggested that (you are suggesting what i never suggested ........).

I don't mean to be rude, but time and time, again, Mark, you say things that other people didn't say, didn't suggest or didn't think (i have seen you do this with other people too).
---Ed on 12/6/07


3. Mark

'They believe they have the true church and all others are false'

- why are you so absolutist in everything you say. There are some Catholics who believe this. There are some Reformed Baptists who believe this about Catholics (Westboro Reformed Baptist Church).

Catholic Catechism is VERY open to interpretation on this. I have come across Catholics who believe these - but the majority, including priests and bishops, do not think this.
---Ed on 12/6/07


4. Mark

'Second, if your church was one, they would not permit idol worship' - for about the millionth time 'idol worship' is a sin in the Catholic Church.

Because the Westboro Reformed Baptist Church preaches hatred doesn't mean their sins or the sins of Reformed Baptist people in general represent the beliefs of the Reformed Baptist Church. Come on.
---Ed on 12/6/07


Mark

"if God didn't know who the believers were going to be, then He is not an Omniscient God." - you put this in quotes as if i said this. Are you for serious or not? Are you here to wind me up or just debate to win for winning-sake. You know very well i didn't say that, but that you just made that up. I am wasting my time and yours communicating with you.
---Ed on 12/6/07




Ed, "if God didn't know who the believers were going to be, then He is not an Omniscient God." knowing all. So to even suggest that God doesn't know who will choose Him is to represent a god who is not of Scripture. Second, when you speak of God in the way, you are bringing our Lord to the level of mere human. He does not learn things in time, He is all knowing. You said, "if God chooses people before they are born, and you say, they know they are the elect,
---Mark_V. on 12/6/07


#2. and because God has already chosen them it doesn't matter what they do" "Ed, when a person is truely born of the Spirit, he is a new creation, created in Christ Jesus. He is changed from one who did the will of satan, to one who wants so much to please the Lord of His life." You don't understand these things because they don't teach you rebirth. Anyone can say they are of the elect, in some way the Catholics believe they are,
---Mark_V. on 12/6/07


#3. They believe they have the true church and all others are false. But saying it and been one are two different things. First, God only knows who the elect are. Second, if your church was one, they would not permit idol worship. They would worship only Christ. They would get rid of all the idols in every church as to not represent or allow those who worship them to worship them. They do nothing because they will not change. Tradition.
---Mark_V. on 12/6/07


#4. Just because the Westboro say's they are of the elect does not make them so either. Let's say you are correct, and they teach hate to others, that only proves they are not born again. It doesn't mean because they have the name of a true church they are a true church. If they were truely born again, Christ would be first in their hearts, second, they would follow the commandments of Christ. So by doing what they do, they give evidence they are false. Maybe some inside the church are saved,
---Mark_V. on 12/6/07


#5 But as a church they are false. The reason many move from place to another is because they realize what the church is teaching is false and they go on to find a true teaching church. They will know the truth through Scripture not by tradition, and will do their best not to compromise the Word of God for what is false just because they love their church. The Word of God is more important to the true Christian then any denomination. In your case you have chosen what means more to you.
---Mark_V. on 12/6/07


#6 Concerning election, Romans 9:11-13 explains my point, "Though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad, in order that God purpose of election might continue, Not because of works but because of His call, she was told, "The elder will serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." There is no metaphors or anologies to worry about in the statement of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/6/07


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#7. They were not yet born. God's very words. He had chosen His love for Jacob and His displeasure on Esau before they were born. He chose Jacob, "in order that God's purpose of election might continue." do you get that? It means it is continuing. "So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy." who's free will was mentioned here? God's. Plain and simple. Oh but you would want to change it. Not happening Ed.
---Mark_V. on 12/6/07


6. Mark

Finally, the Predestination you mention either leads to 1. complacency (salvation is assured), or 2. despair (salvation cannot be assured).

At the end of the day God doesn't need us. But He wants us - ultimately - to be in a loving relationsip with Him. God cannot be in a loving relationship with us unless we knock on His door and ivite Him in - CHOOSING to carry out His will - not our own. About persevering in a loving relationship with God until the end.

God bless
---Ed on 12/5/07


4. Mark

You can find lots of other people who will tell you that there are Reformed Baptist Churches who might not be as extreme as the Westboro Reformed Baptist Church, but who, nevertheless, interpret scripture their own way, with their agenda, and so on.

And by the same token, there are many decent, Christian Baptists, too - of that i have no doubt (and we non predestination believers believe that Jesus can bring all, who are still alive, to salvation).
---Ed on 12/5/07


5. Mark

And, again and again, as i have said before, i don't object to you challenging Catholics. What i object and this has been my thread throughout all my posts to you is NOT to CONDEMN Catholics.
---Ed on 12/5/07


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3. Mark

If they didn't believe that they were of the elect and that their teachings weren't based 100% from the Bible, then they wouldn't feel as if they had the moral authority to say what they say.

The Westboro Reformed Baptist Church is a good example of how Protestants (or Protestant-derived) DO interpret the Bible (and, anyway, if Protestants or Protestant-derived didn't interpret, then why are there so many different denominations ??).
---Ed on 12/5/07


Mark

If someone believes that God chooses people to be saved before they have been born then they must believe they are of the elect (or else live in despair). And because God has already 'chosen' them (before they were born) it doesn't matter what they do in this life because, ultimately, they will be brought to salvation. Such people either lead lives of supreme self-righteousness, believing that they can indulge in fornication, greed or judging and condemning others like the Pharisees.
---Ed on 12/5/07


2 Mark

'the westboro Reform Baptist church hating others and saying they are the elect and they are 100% right' - yes, i have it right. They have even been on national TV in America. They are a disgrace. And they are Reformed Baptists. Because they preach hatred and various other things, does that mean we condemn all Reformed Baptists? No. In fact we shouldn't even condemn the Westboro Baptist Church but pray that they see the errors of their ways.
---Ed on 12/5/07


Ed, you mentioned "the westboro Reform Baptist church hating others and saying they are the elect and they are 100% right"
First thing I will ask is, Do you have the story correct? You didn't have the story on Gibbon's correct. You said she named the teddy bear, and you were wrong. It makes a difference because if she had, she would be guilty in the eyes of the muslim's, even to many in the world at large. But she didn't name the bear, muslim children did and so she was not guilty.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/07


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#2. Misrepresentation of her story is very important to the world of the muslim's. Since the one's that believe she did, will only hate even more.
Second: If that church is teaching hate as you say, wouldn't it be common sense that that church is not a true church? All churches were build with a vision. The Catholic church had a vision when it started. Just lime most churches it went wrong through the ages. Since the Catholic church is the largest it effected many people.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/07


#3. Reform is a theology, Not a denomination. If those people teach hate, they are not reform, they might call themselves reform but in reality they are not. The same holds true for the Catholic church.
Third: just because this people say they are the elect, does not make them one. God only knows who the elect are. And since you don't believe in the elect you decided to add that to your post.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/07


#4. But God say's there is an elect. If you only trusted in God's Word you would know that. The Bible is full of passages that speak about the elect. But you care more about the traditions of your church then Holy Scripture that you blind yourself by refusing to believe God's very words. You know why? Because you stand for the Catholic church and not the truth. There is two things you can do Ed, you can change if you feel the calling of the Spirit.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/07


#5. For if you do, you will see the light of Scripture. You will believe it, and you will understand it, but it has to come from your heart. You have to leave behind your past. Just remember, the calling might not ever come again. If you want to have a personal relationship with Christ, you will know it, and you will feel it. If not then it just doesn't matter. Human beings run the visible churches Ed, and men fail, that is the point, no one escapes failure. Not even you are me.
---Mark_V. on 12/5/07


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Ed, "you compared the born again Christian's love for Christ with those of the muslim's who pray one minute and want to kill the next minute. Who's father is the devil, since they want to kill, who are not born of the Spirit but of Hagar. "Don't you see the difference? Do you not understand what you are saying? And your great concern is the integrity of your church.
---Mark_V. on 12/4/07


Mark

Since you condemn the Catholic Church because of the terrible sins of SOME (a minority) of Catholic clergy, do you think it is right that non-Reformed Baptists should condemn the Reformed Baptist Church when you hear stories about the Westboro Reformed Baptist Church preaching hatred against 'fags', Irish, Swedes and others. And say that they are allowed to say this because they are of the 'elect' and everyone else is doomed, and that what they say is 100% based on the Bible ?
---Ed on 12/4/07


Ed, I had written my four part in the weekend and wanted to move on but I was moved to answering you. I know you have a good heart Ed, and love to respond for your church. I can see that very much. As I said before, I use to do the same, but didn't understand Scripture only what I heard from the studies they gave. It was not from the bible but from what they determined the bible said. So I know your stance very well. Take care my friend.
---Mark_V. on 12/4/07


#3. Ed: The true Christian "does have a new nature" It is because God has changed his heart. He is called a child of God. He is a new creation. We are not persuated by religion, we are changed by the Holy Spirit. Our hearts are changed towards Christ. We are called children of promise. Muslims are called children of Hagar, not the same Ed. Another thing Ed, "Allah is not the God of Scripture." Allah does not have the same nature or attributes of God.
---Mark_V. on 12/4/07


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#4. Ed: The same holds true to the jesus of the Mormons, it is not the same Jesus of Scripture. Their's is an angel, our's is God. Big difference. Concerning your comparison with the story of Gibbon's in the Sudan, let me say first that she did not name the teddy bear Muhammed, the muslim children did. So before you compare our love for Christ and those of the muslim's you need to know the difference. I do love you Ed, and hope one day you see the difference, blessings to you.
---Mark_V. on 12/4/07


Ed, I was not going to respond to your dumb remark, comparing a child of God with a child of Satan. But I felt I had to touch on this again, maybe not just for you but for others. You said you were not talking about Christ, but then you compare our love with those who love Allah and want to kill. There is a big difference between those who love Christ who are born again and those who love Allah that are not born again.
---Mark_V. on 12/4/07


#2. I know you feel bad for saying what you did, but what you fail to see is the difference between one who is born again and one who is not. That is the evidence you give when you write. You have the same people those born of God, and those who are born of Hagar connected together as one kind. In the teachings of Islam, there conversion "Is not a change of nature by God" They persuate the members to their doctrine or subjugate them. Something similar to what the Catholic church does.
---Mark_V. on 12/4/07


Mark,

My last post was written during the weekend, in response to a former post of yours.

Ah .. to be alive, to be able to tap away at a computer and talk to you about the great things worth talking about: God and God's love - it is a wonderful thing. Thank God for that. Praise God. And may His blessings, His peace, joy and love be with you, me, everyone on this board, for those who are searching for God, and for those who are sick, or feeling desperate and lonely, and anyone else .
---Ed on 12/4/07


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Mark 'When a person believes that talking about Christ all day long' - remember there are muslims who talk all day long about Allah, and in the same breadth talk about the killing of non-believers. Just switch on the TV and look at the muslims in Sudan who talk about their great love for Allah and in the same breath bay for the blood of the British woman who innocently gave the name of a Muslim prophet to a teddybear.

There is a big difference between this and genuine witnessing to others.
---Ed on 12/1/07


Thank you Ed, have a wonderful Christmas you and your whole family. Peace be with you always, love is commanded of me, but I love you because of who I am "in Christ." True love is the fruit of the Spirit. Blessings to everyone on this website.
---Mark_V. on 12/1/07


PS Mark

'the love of Christ is not cheap Ed' - as God is my witness, i never said that, suggested that or ever thought that.

'Action speaks louder than words' - action speaks louder than words. That is what i meant and i know God knows that is what i meant, as well as other people.

Talk, yes. But also prayer, doing things for others, forgiveness, trust in God, love of God and neighbour. There is so much more to the Christian life than just 'talk'. You surely must understand that?
---Ed on 11/30/07


Happy Christmas to Mark and everyone else on this board too.
---Ed on 11/30/07


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Mark

'my church does not come before Christ' - but Christ is the head of the Church. Christ doesn't come before, after, inbetween or outside the Church. Christ is part of the Church. He is the foundation of the Church. Christ lives in the Church and the Church in Christ. The Church is Christian fellowship. The Church is a family. Christ is the head of that family. And each family member has different gifts to contribute to the family. The Bible is clear about this.
---Ed on 11/30/07


#4. Ed: I also wish every peace an joy for you and your family. Not only for you but for everyone here on the website. I am very well aware of how much some of you love the Lord, peace be with you and your families. Praise be to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
---Mark_V. on 11/30/07


Ed you caught youself with that one. "Talk is cheap" no question what you meant. You know you meant talking about Christ all day long is what you were refering to. You don't have to apologize Ed. I know what you meant. When a person believes that talking about Christ all day long is cheap, it only gives evidence of their heart. In my reply to you, I didn't ask you any questions, but gave you an honest answer as possible why I even ask you all those questions, and only because you ask me.
---Mark_V. on 11/30/07


#2. Ed: you turned around and cut it to pieces. I have no pride in any denomination Ed. I follow Christ. If I attend a church, I attend to fellowship with others and pray for each other. Where did you get the idea I don't believe in fellowship or don't like churches? I like my church very much, I do not love it to compromise the Word of God, my church does not come before Christ. Christ comes before anything. I guess I have to suffer, or be poor, or go out to another country to prove my place with Christ.
---Mark_V. on 11/30/07


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#3. Ed, You say talking about Christ is cheap, the very reason why I asked you if you were born again. As a former Catholic, I already knew to whom your heart was for. I also hope you have a great Christmas Ed, the love of Christ is not cheap Ed, when you stop to think about, ask yourself why you hardly mention Him. And you will know the truth. You don't have to apologize to me at all.
---Mark_V. on 11/30/07


Mark

'Talk is cheap'- meant talk is important, but it is not enough.

My last posts weren't posted.

Just wanted to say, apologies if i have gone overboard in my last posts. I wish you no ill-will, and indeed have learned a lot from you, others, including Catholics, on this board.

Hope you have a happy Christmas with your family. And wish you every peace and joy in Christ. God bless you!
---Ed on 11/29/07


6. Mark

6. Mark

'With me, it is not what denomination I attend, it is about how much I love Christ' - but the Church - or fellowship of Christians in Christ - is also at the centre of our faith. Jesus said Love God and neighbour. Jesus is the head of the Church. And our neighbours are in the Church (as well as sinners outside it who we try and draw in).
---Ed on 11/29/07


7. Mark

Do you believe in the concept of Church or not? Who is your Church? Who are your fellow Christians? Do you believe that Christians should be working more together in a world which is often hostile to the true spirit of Christianity?
---Ed on 11/29/07


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8. Mark

'One evidence is that one cannot stop speaking about our Savior' - do you not know the old adage: 'talk is cheap'.

It is not just about talk. It is also about action. It is about suffering. It is about perseverance until the end - it is only in death that one is properly saved (to believe otherwise leads to complacency and complacency is very dangerous). It is about prayer until the end. Loving God and neighbour until the end.
---Ed on 11/29/07


9. Mark

At the end of the day, Mark, you have absolutely no right to look into a man's soul and say whether he lives, properly, in God or not. Just as you have no right to condemn. This is, and you have just admitted, have done to me (judged me), as well as condemned the Catholic Church.

I judge and condemn the whole time. But i kn ow it is sinful and wrong to. But you seem to make a religion out of it.
---Ed on 11/29/07


10. Mark

'When you or others state that somehow the Catholic church is special and exempt from failure' - for about the millionth time, if you had read my posts properly, then you couldn't make that claim against me.
---Ed on 11/29/07


3. Mark

therefore their sins are not going to jump out at one as sensationally as those in the Catholic Church. But relatively-speaking, the Baptists are not necessarily any more or less sinners than any other denomination.
---Ed on 11/29/07


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4. Mark

'I am not proud to be a Baptist. I have no pride in any denomination' - whoever said you were (this is the first time you have actually mentioned your denomination) so clearly no-one could accuse you of that.

Just as you cannot accuse me of being proud of the Catholic Church, since if you have read my many posts, you will see that i have listed many of their sins over the ages.
---Ed on 11/29/07


5. Mark

But you have not listed the sins of your denominations. All you have done is CONDEMN Catholicism.

As i have said many times, i am not here to stop Catholicism being challenged. But i am here to argue for a sense of perspective and for common sense. Otherwise you are distorting truth, and this is not good for you or for others.
---Ed on 11/29/07


2. Mark

2. Mark

Many 19th century Baptists in America were opposed to the abolition of slavery, and many Baptists argued that it wasn't wrong for them to trade in, and exchange, slaves. I have heard many Baptists talk about the tyranical little men they have for pastors. The Baptists, are made of many different denominations, they have a much shorter history than Catholicism, and make up a much smaller population than Catholics now -
---Ed on 11/29/07


Hello Ed, You asked me about ten questions, that I am not able to answer all of them. I attend a Reform Baptist church. It is small and most of the people are over 60, maybe a few young people, about twenty. I don't think there is any molesters in there. But if I hear of one, I will bring him forward. I promise. Ed, I believe you have me confused. I am not proud to be a Baptist. I have no pride in any denomination. I attend this reform church because it is not afraid to speak on the Sovereignty of God.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/07


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#2. Otherwise I would not be there. The Pentecostal church I attended before also taught the Sovereignty of God, some things were a little different but they taught the essentials of the Christain faith. Maybe more charasmatic but the same teachings. With me, it is not what denomination I attend, it is about how much I love Christ. My life is committed to the Lord, no matte where I go. I am a child of God first, before anything. When I protest against the teachings of the Catholic church,
---Mark_V. on 11/29/07


#3. It is because what is important is the Truth. When I was saved. I promised the Lord I would do my best to learn everything He would teach me to know Him. Without prejudice of any kind. If God was to reveal Himself to me, I would have to work hard to know Him. You think because I go against the Catholic teachings that I am speaking for my denomination against yours. You are wrong. I care less about denominations. I care about the Truth of Scripture. I asked you many questions to find out whether
---Mark_V. on 11/29/07


#4. you were really born again because it matters greatly how you answer. I looked for evidences of a new birth. One evidence is that one cannot stop speaking about our Savior. Maybe I shouldn't have ask but I had a reason. If I was going to respond to you about spiritual matters, the only way you would understand would be for you to be born again. So I ask you. I meant to debate with you about God's word not the Catholic church, but you led me to that. I have never said that other denominations
---Mark_V. on 11/29/07


#5. are pure. I know that so long as human beings control the visible church there will always be some kind of sin. Some kind of corruption even if its small in nature. Man do it for power, selfish reason, or money. That is the human flesh winning against the Spirit. No one is exempt. All come short of the glory of God. When you or others state that somehow the Catholic church is special and exempt from failure, we respond with history to proof otherwise.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/07


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#6. because we know all man fail. Even the great leaders of the Catholic church, and we can proof it. And of course your response is to protect the Catholic church even when it is wrong. At the cost of the Truth. That is why I asked you if you were born again. Because if you were, your concern would have been for the truth. Since Christ is the truth. That would come first in your life. You don't see this because of pride for church.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/07


#7. And your love for Christ becomes less. Symbolic of the love for Mary over Christ, the idols over Christ. He takes a back seat to so many. This does not happen to someone who truely is born again. His whole life is revolving around the Lord. Not Mary, or Francis of Assisi, or Mother Teresa, but Christ. That is all the time I have now. I will answer your other one's later.
---Mark_V. on 11/29/07


Mark

What do Catholics believe. Well, let's turn to the facts. More, precisely, let's turn to the Nicene creed, that all Catholics repeat once, as an act of faith, during worship on Sundays. It is the same act of faith as Orthodox Christians, and MOST Protestant denominations. Do you subscribe to the Nicene creed, or not? And if not, why not?
---Ed on 11/28/07


2 Mark

'We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made ->
---Ed on 11/28/07


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6 Mark

Could you please tell us which Church you belong to? Then we can do some research and put your Church under the spotlight, for a change, and reveal if there are any ugly matters your people would like to hide? What are your articles of faith? Do you have any? Are you allowed to belong to your Church if you publically disagree with any of the articles of faith? Actually do your people believe in the concept of Church or not?
---Ed on 11/28/07


7. Mark

Does your Church believe in apostolic poverty? Do you have people such as the Franciscans who practise apostolic poverty (but not for being in love with poverty for poverty-sake, but too distance themselves from the corrupting influences of the world, and live a life closer to God in prayer).
---Ed on 11/28/07


Cathrine :: The fault does not lie in the bible which is Gods word But in the "interpretation of Gods word by Man" Thay is why The Holy spirit guides The RCC as declared by Jesus.People forget that the Pope is Gods Rep or Figure head.His infalibility exists 'only' on Matters of Faith & morals concering the Church & its adherents.
---Emcee on 11/27/07


Catholics are not bound to believe everything the Pope says. He actually speaks "ex cathedra" very rarely. But who better to interpret the Bible than the RCC, whose founders wrote the NT under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Think about it. Why would the Holy Spirit inspire the founders of the RCC to write the NT, but not inspire the RCC to interpret it for all Christ's followers throughout time? Trying to deny the origins of the RCC is like denying George Washington was President.
---Greyrider on 11/27/07


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Mark

Again, i never said the evil one had faith in Christ as 'his saviour' - again, you put words into my mouth. I said the evil one believed in God. That is totally different.

The fact that you put words into my mouth (on various occasions) as well as not listen to what i say in other posts, goes to show that you are having, to a large degree, an imaginary debate not with me, but with yourself.
---Ed on 11/27/07


I am not Catholic, but regardless, you had better belive the Bible not only over the Pope, but over any mere human being.
---catherine on 11/27/07


Mark V,,Those that you claim brought shame are only Human,like you at least their sins were known & punishible by Gods measure,not within our jurisdiction.Upholding the Doctrine of God is what is here at stake.The church is guided by the Holy Spirit.This is what catholics up hold against those who are apostate & bring shame to themselves.
---Emcee on 11/26/07


1) "admit there have been many corrupt leaders. And that you are so sorry they brought shame to your church." Since one of the original twelve apostles was corrupt and betrayed Jesus leading to His death, does that mean that the original Church deserved shame?

"Catholics are mostly interested in defending the Catholic church at all cost" Early Christians also defended their faith - even to the death. Do you find fault in them for that ?
---Dan1724 on 11/26/07


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2) Mary said (Mark 1:48) "from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed". Doesn't that mean she is still alive?
---Dan1724 on 11/26/07


If the Catholic was well formed in the faith he would know that the bible is easy to disagree with or to become confused with. It is not with out ambiguous statements and it is not capable of translating or explaining itself in the face of a believers questions. Was the Pope speaking in general discussion or was he speaking Ex Cathedra? If the later was the case then the catholic should follow the Vicar of Christ. If his statements were just general opinion then he could disagree.
---Paul_S._Lunsford on 11/26/07


By the way Ed, Satan didn't have faith in Jesus Christ as his Savior. If he had, he would have committed his life to Christ, and would be going to heaven. Sorry, but He had no saving faith. That is given to all who are born again, of the Spirit for Christ. Who are drawn by the Father.
---Mark_V. on 11/26/07


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