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Are The USA People 25,000 Old

I am ready to place our 16 year old son in private school, this week was the last straw. On a field trip they went to a 'site' where the instructer said the people came into the Americas 25,000 years ago, going against the Word. My son says its nothing and he believes it. We are fighting about this.

Moderator - Ask his instructor to prove the date. He can't because it's made up.

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If you choose to believe those on here, then explain fossils found that prove dinosaurs once roamed the earth. If they were only here six thousand years ago, no wonder Adam and Eve lived in fear, but it is ironic the bible does not mention them or the ice age that wiped them out. It mentions the flood. Also ruins in South America date back five thousand years. I guess they don't exist either. Great hoax when people find them by accident proving people lived here, just after men built the tower of Babel.
---ashley on 4/17/07

lorra: Have seen the Genealogies taken from Scripture and they do indeed come up to about 6000 years.

The layers of the Geologic Column are assumed dates. Multiple radiometric methods all produced different dates millions of years apart. Evolutionist choose that which best fits theory.

Yet Petrified Trees Grow through those layers. The Tree is not "Billions of years old". A flood placed those layers. Radiometric dating is flawed; data is interpreted based on bad assumptions.
---TS on 4/17/07

I tried to calculate the age of the earth from the Bible and I came up with several hundred thousand years. The 6,000 years is based on assumptions that do not factor in all of the information provided in the scriptures. Even so, I don't think that God was intending to provide us with the age of the earth in the scriptures. God is eternal, and for Him a billion years could be a breath for us.

Given what else schools are teaching today, I would spend more time on your son's spiritual well being.
---lorra8574 on 4/15/07

One day with God is a thousand years for man. That is biblical. People are so naive most of the time. I notice the bible does not mention the ice age, but it happened. It is fact. fossils found prove dinosaurs existed at one time in the earth's history. It never ceases to amaze me how people deny facts and live in their own little fantasy land. Animals were created before man was created. read Genesis. Considering they did not know how to write, it is obvious why it is not recorded.
---ashley on 4/15/07

In my area there are plenty of ice age sites undergrads use for field work. East of Seattle there was a massive ice sheet 13,000 years ago, no man site in the area exist befor that. the most early man sites are about 25,000 years old. As I see the fundamentalist must reject and dismiss ALL science, pulling their kids out of school and not allowing them to study any science, and many do.
---MikeM on 4/15/07

Don't fight, just tell your son that the instructor was misinformed with an error, and is just repeating the misinformation. If you like I can send you the "Age Of The World" documented as recorded in the Bible from when the world was created and when Adam was created up to today. My penpal here is eloy8876.
---Eloy on 4/13/07

noo i dont believe the earth is not 6-10 thousand years old thats why we have radioactive dating which is quite accurate, not to know billion years but definately more than 6 thousand years old
---mark on 4/12/07

How can that be, the earth itself is only 6-10 thousand years.
---Rev_Herb on 4/12/07

I know lots of church goin' biologist, palentologist, etc., all accept evolution, and the Bible. The notion that evolution says man came from a rock is some 'other' evolution I never heard of, taught at some universities I never heard of. I believe Mr Darwin was a church goin' Anglican as well, he refered to 'the Creator over 70 times in Origen Of Species. As to any atheist saying man came from a rock, I would ask, Who created the Rock?
---MikeM on 6/30/06

Moderator; I see no conflict with evolution and scripture, nor do i know anyone who says man 'came from a rock,' but I do remember William Jennings Bryons statement at the famous Scopes trial, "I am more concerned about the rock of ages than the age of rocks." If nothing else, fundamentalist have a corner on theatrics, hands down.

Moderator - Maybe you are not familar enough with the teachings of evolution to realise it teaches we came from a rock. The Bible teaches God created mankind and life.
---MikeM on 6/30/06

In the Mojave near Nipton is an elaborately carved rock and other worked stones weighing up to 800 pounds which were found in 1998. The site is a miocene river bed dated a least 25,000 B.C. this I am told by a conservative UCR professor HAS NOT been proven yet, so at this time in California I am told today the oldest early man site proven in Ca. is dated 11,500 B.C strong claims require strong evidence, and no pre-ice age evidence of man has been proven in this area.
---MikeM on 6/30/06

People who offer the 6,000 year old thing fit into the league with the 'dinosaurs never existed,' 'people float across the church ceiling,' 'demons escape from volcanos to torment people' and a host of other loony tune ideas representing a fraction of the Christian community. It does have comedic value.

Moderator - People who believe in the old earth theory and evolution believe mankind came from a rock. That takes alot of faith for an educated person.
---MikeM on 6/30/06

Rev Herb, do you believe the Bible where it says that bats are birds and that rabbits chew cud?

Do you believe the Bible where it says you can spend your tithe money on booze?

If you don't believe the whole Bible, it's doubtful whether you believe any.
---Jack on 6/30/06

Rev. Herb--My faith is in our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ, and not in wild tales people make up about Him like the non-existent pre-trib rapture.

The Bible does NOT say "Believe in the pre-trib rapture and thou shalt be saved." Nor does it say, "Believe in a 6000 year old earth and thou shalt be saved."
---Jack on 6/30/06

"Rev"Herb - I cannot believe what I just read in your post. That to be saved you have to believe in the rapture???????? That is denying the finished work of Jesus Christ on the Cross and is HERESY. Heretics will not inherit the kingdom of God. Unless I have read you wrong, then please forgive me, otherwise you are a false teacher.
---Helen_5378 on 6/27/06

It was approx. 2000 years from Adam till the flood, Approx 2000 years from the flood to Abraham. Approx. 2000 years from Abraham to Christ. And approx 2000 years from Christ till Now. Guess what? About time for another major event to happen. (Rapture)

As to why you should believe this to be save? If you dont believe the whole bible, its doubtful you believe any.
---Rev_Herb on 6/27/06

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Carbon dating is done in a (so called) "controlled" area. It is performed by measuring how long carbon takes to burn off of an item being tested.
Cond #2
---Elder on 6/27/06

Cond #2
It is determined by the length of burnoff time how old a substance is.
Two main problems arise:
1. If part of the same item is moved to a different part of the testing room the "date" changes.
2. There is no valid time table comparison chart and indeed there could not be.
Carbon dating has about the same validity as if you looked at a rock and said it is 17 million years and 4 days old.
Cond #3
---Elder on 6/27/06

Cond #3
Now as to 24 hour days in Genesis.
There are two issues here.
1. Whenever Scripture begins with a number in front of the time period it is always a 24 hour period or week or year, like in the First day of the week, a (one) days journey, or 1000 years.
Cond #4
---Elder on 6/27/06

Cond #4
2. In the Creation account of days the Hebrew word "Yom" is used which means a natural day or time period of 24 hours.
There are other Hebrew and Greek words that describe long periods of time, months, years, weeks, hour and so forth but the word used in the Creation account is Yom and not any of the other words.
---Elder on 6/27/06

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radiometric and carbon dating are not reliable sources of dating...there are many discrepencies, and these methods are based upon faulty assumptions
---christina on 6/27/06

Same question as Jack, Herb? Verses please.
---NV_Barbara on 6/27/06

Anybody who claims to know how old the earth is are wrong. Even the Bible does not tell us how old the earth is, although some claim to know. I agree with moderator - ask him to prove the date.
---Helen_5378 on 6/27/06

"...going against the Word." What "Word" are you referring to? Are you referring to the Bible? What particular book, chapter and verse in the Holy Bible that states the exact age of the earth? I am very interested to know.
---Bebet3754 on 6/26/06

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RW: Since the sun was not created until the 4th day (vs 16), can you say FOR SURE that the first three days were 24 hour ones?

And how does this mesh with Psalm 90 and 2 Peter where it says that a day is as 1000 years and vice versa with God?

Still say they were 24 hour days?
---Jack on 6/26/06

The oldest site in north Amwrica is only 11,000 years old. There are 'implications' of man being in north America far older, specifically near Barstow, and an Indian reservation near San Deigo, but no proof. The old Clovis theory was thrown out years ago, as in south America a pliesticine site was found dating 25,000 years old. The specific dates are very easy to prove, but why explain when presuppositions cloud the facts.
---MikeM on 6/26/06

Carbon dating is mathmatical theory based on apprx time span from vege's to diamonds. The continental bridge (Alaska/Eur.) is estimated in history but would prove the flood if followed through with. What IF the earth is 10 million years old? Humans showed up about 6000 years ago and we can't be carbon dated. Only the "activities" can be estimated by sciences of archeology, anthropology and darwinism. The proof's in the BOOK.
---mikefl on 6/26/06

Gen 1:5 and the evening and the morning were the first day Gen 1:8 and the evening and the morning were the second day--------etc etc. seems to me to be 24 hr period
---R.W. on 6/26/06

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Rev Herb, please provide the following information:

1. Bible verses that say the earth is only 6-10 thousand years old.

2. Bible verses that require my believing this to be saved.
---Jack on 6/26/06

I am aware of NO Bible verse that requires me to take Archbishop Ussher's chronology that puts the creation at 4004 BC as a dogma to be saved.

This Chronology, btw, is NOT part of the original KJV, and even if it were, there's no MS authority for it. It's simply the opinion of Abp. Ussher
---Jack on 6/26/06

Gods time is different then our time. His 24 hours is not the sme as ours, if it is proven the Earth is over 6,000 yrs old then it is true. ,but again Gods days are not like our days.
---candice on 6/26/06

Archaeologist have completed digs at a site in North East part of North America finding stone tools and charged vestigation, where radio carbon dating shows the age of 51,700 years for the burned material. All are found in the same strata.
---notlaw99 on 6/26/06

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