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Is The Pope Perfect

Is the Pope and what he says perfect without flaw as he is the mouth piece for God?

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"No he is certainly not perfect and I have never met anyone else who is. The popes are going to have a tough time before God. I'm ready for your attacks now. Please forgive if I do not respond as I am through with visiting this blog(boring).:)"
---jody_jmartin on 9/11/07

Straw man arguments bore me to tears too. ,)
---augua9846 on 9/11/07


I tell you what, if we were mice in the walls of the wherever the Pope goes, we might find him as the most imperfect of all.He who exhalts himself will be brought down. No he is certainly not perfect and I have never met anyone else who is. The popes are going to have a tough time before God. I'm ready for your attacks now. Please forgive if I do not respond as I am through with visiting this blog(boring).:)
---jody_jmartin on 9/11/07


I've got a question I'd like someone to answer......
"What's the difference between Pope Benedict XVI and Joseph Ratzinger????"
---berf on 9/10/07

Not a bit of difference.

Just like there was no difference between Simon bar-Jonah and Peter. ,o
---augusta on 9/11/07


# 2 Peter 1:5
For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness, and to goodness, knowledge,

The Pope and knowledge explained.
---Lisa on 9/11/07


Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

The Pope may be a good man, but he is a sinner just like the rest of us.

How many times did the Apostles make mistakes? Peter denied Christ. All of the Apostles were arguing over who was the greatest (Luke 9:46), etc.

Is the Pope greater than the Apostles, or closer to Christ???
---trey on 9/10/07




..speaking of the Pope..not a murderer....?
I am giving the Pope compliments.......
-Lisa on 9/9/07

Have you been to 'Do you know RCC history' the list of former pope-murderers?
Bc he's a pope he would not commit murder. History has shown -quite! the opposite.

berf -and he's the mouthpiece for the RCC not Jesus -

- from Advent:
"A title of the pope implying his supreme and universal primacy, both of honour and of jurisdiction, over the Church of Christ"
---Andrea on 9/10/07


The now-called expounders of "Christian virtue" were brutal killers, and "crimes against the faith were high treason, and as such were punishable with death" (Cath.Ency, xiv, p. 768). Popes waded through rivers of blood to attain their earthly objectives and many personally led their episcopal militia into the field of battle. The Church ordered its "secular arm" to force its dogma upon humanity by "mass murder" (The Extermination of the Cathars, de Sismondi, 1826
---Andrea on 9/10/07


the line of popes begins obscurely,in the year 896 "a body of nobles with swinish and brutal lusts, many of whom could not write even their own names" (Annals of Hincmar, Archbishop of Reims, pub. c. 905), captured the papacy and drew it to a close 631 years later in 1527 when, under the subterfuges of Pope Clement VII (15231534), Rome fell to the army of Emperor Charles V.
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Here in lies the problem of papal succession - to link the Lord's annointed
---Andrea on 9/10/07


Berf - ("I've got a question I'd like someone to answer......
"What's the difference between Pope Benedict XVI and Joseph Ratzinger????") -- They are one and the same. Known as "the pope" he is just another human being in need of salvation.
---Helen_5378 on 9/10/07


First of all, the Pope is NOT the "mouthpiece for God"!! He is the mouthpiece for the Roman Catholic Church....and THAT'S IT.......
Secondly, there is none, no not one, "perfect without flaw" (even when they're speaking "ex cathedra").
Not only is the Pope not a perfect human being, he's not even a perfect Pope!!
I've got a question I'd like someone to answer......
"What's the difference between Pope Benedict XVI and Joseph Ratzinger????
---berf on 9/10/07




We are speaking of the Pope..not a murderer....what is wrong with you?
I am giving the Pope compliments...you are trying to do and and say what?
Speak boldly not in parables.
The Pope is working for the Lord. He has received gifts such as : being bright and smart. Therefore he is placed in a good position to utilize those gifts God has bestowed on him for the Glory of God in his position under God.
---Lisa on 9/9/07


1) What I am saying is that we cannot judge a man's holiness or whether he is qualified to serve God by his IQ or education. That is the world's standard of success, not God's although high intelligence is a gift from God. High intelligence and education do not guarantee following God or hearing from Him. King David was just a shephard, not well schooled. It's funny that the most intelligent and well schooled of the 12 disciples was Judas and he was the one who betrayed Jesus. God's wisdom is not...
---Holly4jc on 9/9/07


2) ...the same as the world's wisdom...read Proverbs. Some of the most "intelligent" men ever were crazy or serial murderers (and don't get on me that I am saying that about the Pope...I am just making a point). And besides, God is the one who should "choose" who is a pastor over a body of believers, it should not be man's choice. The most anointed pastors I ever had were the ones who never went to seminary, but were appointed by God to be a pastor. He anoints and He appoints. :-)
---Holly4jc on 9/9/07


What are you saying holly? Should we only choose popes with IQ's below 100? I guess that passage applies to us all doesnt it? even YOUR wisdom? The wisdom you insist is perfect, since you tell us constantly that we are just wrong.
---alexia on 9/9/07


the Pope is a man yes.
He is not perfect.

He is a well educated man, and intellectual man, who choses to work for God and not the wealth of this world. There is nothing wrong with that.

And all he has is a gift from God. All his intelligence is working for the Greater Glory of God.
---Lisa on 9/9/07


Emcee: I use alot of "ifs" because if we remain in HIM we have the promises, everything is conditional...the bible always states we must be IN HIM to receive from Him and commune with Him. If we are not in Him...then we can't receive or commune.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God IN Him are Yes, and IN Him Amen, to the glory of God through us.

Ephesians 3:12
in whom we have boldness and ACCESS with confidence through faith IN HIM.
---Holly4jc on 9/2/07


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He is a well educated man, and intellectual man, who choses to work for God and not the wealth of this world.---Lisa on 9/2/07

1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He catches the wise in their own craftiness.

1 Corinthians 1:20b
Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

Education and being intellectual is foolishness to God and does not qualify someone in holiness.
---Holly4jc on 9/2/07


the Pope is a man yes.
He is not perfect.
However, he is the leader of a church under Christ and acts according to Him.
he doesn't have magical powers to use or misuse.
He is a well educated man, and intellectual man, who choses to work for God and not the wealth of this world. There is nothing wrong with that.
The pope does not mislead those to hell.
---Lisa on 9/2/07


Jesus tore the vail in the temple that we might boldly go before the throne of grace - where we may cry out papa to our Father. God is fine with people calling him friendly names with a pure heart
.Mar 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things [are] possible unto thee, take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear, but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
---Andrea on 9/2/07


Holly::Your post employs a number of "IF'S" which put a different complex on your post,and implies a different meaning.
---Emcee on 9/2/07


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One Pope claimed:

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." - (Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".)

Protestants believe that the Papacy (NOT Catholics) fit the Biblical deascription of the man of sin:

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
---jerry6593 on 9/2/07


Yes Sue! It really bothers me when people refer to God as "the man upstairs", etc. One of my fellow co-workers (who claimed to be a Christian) would refer to Jesus as JC! God told me to tell him that there is POWER in the name of Jesus and when people use JC or any other name, they are denying the power of God, just as the devil wants. There is NO POWER in "JC" or "the man upstairs", but there is all power in the name of Jesus Christ, demons have to flee at His very name!
---Holly4jc on 9/2/07


Sue, it bothers me also when people use those phrases. I've also heard 'Him upstairs' 'The Guy in the Sky' and people will say after something went well for them "O well someone up there must be watching over me" or "The big man up there cares". If people cannot bring themselves to actually say GOD or JESUS it is either because they don't truly believe or they are ashamed. If that is the case He will be ashamed of us on judgement day.
---RitaH on 9/2/07


My sheep know my voice and another they will not follow. Those who follow any religion settle for a belief and ritual rather than a relationship. Some choose blindness, others choose light. No Pope, no Preist, no Preacher, and no Mary will save.. only Jesus.
---RICHARD on 9/1/07


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1) He has more contact with the Almighty than you or I will ever have.
by---Emcee on 9/1/07 (SPEAKING OF THE POPE)

We all have equal access to God if we have the Holy Spirit living within our hearts and Jesus is Lord and Savior of our lives. This is NOT just reserved for the pope!!! God does not have favorites and we ALL (if we are in HIM) have access to the Holy of Holies. When Jesus died on the cross, the veil was torn giving us FULL access to the Father through Jesus Christ.
---Holly4jc on 9/2/07


2) Ephesians 6:8-9
...knowing that whatever good anyone does, he will receive the same from the Lord, whether he is a slave or free. And you, masters, do the same things to them, giving up threatening, knowing that your own Master also is in heaven, and THERE IS NO PARTIALITY WITH HIM.
---Holly4jc on 9/2/07


Jerry:: The reason why you do not believe is because you do not belong to the true church RCC !Your spirit which you profess to be Holy is Not But unholy.so in a few words you are being lead up the garden path.
---Emcee on 9/1/07


The Pope is the leader.
---Lisa on 9/1/07

the pope is your leader - Christ is our leader
pope thinks he's 'the' leader of the true church - all us other false churches will pass -
sounds exactly like the mormons - we have the ticket
no we don't think we're special -
---Andrea on 9/1/07


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The thing that I find funny is that so many will denounce the Pope for being just a man, yet blaim him for things they think he should have been able to fix - like WWII, the mid-east crisis, etc. Why do you downplay the Pope's office and yet criticize him for not having godlike powers?
---lorra8574 on 9/1/07


A while ago I had a JW missionary approach me at a bus-stop. She was shockingly angry at the Pope for not stopping WWII. She figured that he should have been able to and didn't. It is true that if the Pope and all the world's bishops had followed all of the messages of Fatima, he might have been able to prevent it, but since she did not believe that Fatima was authentic, why should she condemn the reigning pope of that day for having misgivings?
---lorra8574 on 9/1/07


The Pope isn't perfect, only God is perfect. The Pope puts his pants on one leg at a time just like any man does. (does the Pope wear pants?)
By the way, does it bother anybody else when people refer to God as "the man upstairs" or "my papa" or "the big guy" etc. etc.? I dont know why, but when I hear those, it just bugs me.
---sue on 9/1/07


Clifton, when was the last time you laid your hands on someone and healed them?

And for your information, there have been many Catholics who have done just as you describe and some Popes did have miraculous charisms. But whether a particular Pope can do this or not, does not matter. His gift from God is the guidance of the Holy Spirit to ensure that the Church remains true.
---lorra8574 on 9/1/07


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95%.have absolutely no idea of The Pope. He is a Man Born into this world .He was however chosen to fill the OFFICE of the Apostolic See.Does this make him Vile? who do you condemn the man or His office?Judge not that you may be judged .Its a common saying If you have nothing Nice to say about some one THEN be Quiet.The man is choosen for His holiness, especially selected,is prone to the same judgement as You-I.He has more contact with the Almighty than you or I will ever have.Respect Him.
---Emcee on 9/1/07


95%.have absolutely no idea of The Pope. He is a Man Born into this world .He was however chosen to fill the OFFICE of the Apostolic See.Does this make him Vile? who do you condemn the man or His office?Judge not that you may be judged .Its a common saying If you have nothing Nice to say about some one THEN be Quiet.The man is choosen for His holiness, especially selected,is prone to the same judgement as You-I.He has more contact with the Almighty than you or I will ever have.Respect Him.
---Emcee on 9/1/07


He is acting on behalf of Christ in Christ's name for God.
This doesn't mean that he isn't human.
Which means is not perfect like everyone else.
But He does serve a purpose for God on Earth.
Every church has a leader.
The Pope is the leader.
---Lisa on 9/1/07


No. He's just another man. Catholics believe he's something special, but the rest of us do not.
---jerry6593 on 9/1/07


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karen:

Jack didn't tell you to go to the Vatican web site to find the TRUTH.

He told you to go to the Vatican web site to find out what Roman Catholics ACTUALLY teach and believe.

Whether you then choose to believe them or not is then up to you.
---Mark on 9/1/07


If you are referring to my Papa in heaven, yes he is 100% perfect, above reproach, and ultimately in complete control over all his creation.
---Eloy on 9/1/07


Rom 2.23 says that all have sinned..this including the Pope.He needs salvation like all mortal man.The Pope gets sick and dies like any one of us thus he is not perfect.Hebrews says that God spoke in the past by the Prophets but now by His Son.The Pope is no mouthpiece for God.Jesus says His diciples will heal the sick,cleanse the lepers etc.The Pope does not lay hands on the sick and perform signs and wonders like Jesus.How then can the pope represent Christ.
---clifton on 9/1/07


No he is not perfect there was only one perfect and that was Jesus Christ People are worshing him in steed of jesus he can not forgive sin's no more than any other man
---Betty on 9/1/07


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only when asleep.
---Andrea on 8/31/07


Mackie, the Catholic Church never taught that any Pope, including Peter, is perfect and without flaw. There have been some (only a few) very flawed Popes. But that has nothing to do with Papal infallibility. Jesus never promised impeccability for His Church, but did promise to send the Holy Spirit to guide it.

A Pope is not "infallible" every time he opens his mouth or puts pen to paper - but only under specific circumstances.
---lorra8574 on 8/31/07


Mackie, In the RCC, the Pope is only infallible when he is speaking on faith and morals, specifically AS the Head of the Catholic Church and that what he is stating is binding upon the whole church. We believe that the Holy Spirit will NOT allow him to teach or indoctrinate error under these circumstances.

This has nothing to do with the intelligence, holiness, charisma or personal practice of any Pope. For we do not put our faith in any man, but in Christ alone.
---lorra8574 on 8/31/07


Hello Rev Herb are you the first batter on the old game. what innings is thius old Game.Its not cricket you know they play that in jolly old England.My bails are down so we cant play.
---Emcee on 8/31/07


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NO!!!! He is a false prophet and play a big part with the antichrist.
---Rev_Herb on 8/31/07


Lupe & Alan:: I agree with you but with a small correction Taking Genesis 3 True Marys name is not there but then are we to assume that God was talking Riddles at that time.Did NOT the event come to Pass,was not THE WORD MADE FLESH,if so does the Pope who has that power given by Jesus the right to acclaim that she was THAT WOMAN. If she was NOT then who WAS.
---Emcee on 8/14/06


Firstly, the Pope is not a mouthpiece for God. The position of Pope is nowhere to be found in Scripture -- it is totally manmade. There is only One Who is perfect and without flaw and that is Almighty God Himself. The Pope is simply another human being in this weary world of lost souls, and he needs to be saved by Jesus Christ just as everybody else does.
---Helen_5378 on 8/14/06


He's a human, and just like any other human, no he's not perfect. Humans elected him, to be the pope, and only a small group of humans too. It's not like we all voted on it. And they could have just as easily elected someone else.
---Private on 8/14/06


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Emcee ... Read the Catholic Encyclopaedia, and you will see that the RCC itself states that it altered the words of the original to increase Mary's redemptive role. So you RCC Bible is does not follow original taxts.
You will find the CE on the web
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/20/06


Linda, don't you know when you have said enough? your contining attacks are not very spiritual. They are personal and not from Scripture. Why don't you give Scriptures and this way we can get back to the Truth. Write down something that has passages and we will answer to the best that we can. IMO I rather go to Scripture and read the context to make sure what we read is correct or not. Scripture is God's word. Lets follow a good example.
---karen on 7/20/06


Emcee, if we all read the Genesis account correctly we would have the correct answer. Without putting Mary's name in the passages since she was not close to been born and her name is not mentioned at all. The pope put her name in that passage and you believed it. Following tradition. As always
---Lupe2618 on 7/19/06


Lupe::If one would reflect on Gods word in Genesis 3:15 & be of one accord accept the truth then only will we all be one flock under one shepherd & help crush the head of the serpent.Untill then those in denominations who support the enemy will die "those who are not with me are against me".The Pope Pious IX only reiterated what is the truth in Genesis.
---Emcee on 7/19/06


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The Pope is not perfect, but Herb is!!!
---Paul_Adam on 7/2/06


for ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God
---r.w. on 6/30/06


You mean the truth of what the Catholic teaches. Not what Scripture teaches. You seem to forget that the denomination has been around for a long time and it has more history then any other. You would do well to learn from outside of them if you really want to know what Scripture teaches.
---karen on 6/30/06


Protestants and especially pop-evangelicals are full of holes in their traditions, too.

Most of what is said here about the Roman Catholic Church is actually inaccurate. People are attacking what they THINK the RCC teaches.

This is why I and others have referred people to the Vatican Web Site, EWTN, and such to find out what the truth of the matter is.
---Jack on 6/30/06


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Well, Jack, you sure fooled me. All I hear from you is towards a denomination that is full of holes with their traditions. So forgive me for making a mistake. You want prove from others and request others to go to the Vatican website to find the truth, etc. That only meant to me you were a part of them. Yet you say no, so please forgive me.
---karen on 6/29/06


Karen--You may not have seen it, but I've said in MANY different places that I'm not a Roman Catholic.
---Jack on 6/29/06


All of you Catholics like Jack want prove so you ask for others to go to the Vatican website, now if you are lost in traditions because the Vatican tells you things, do you really think they would print anything other then what they teach? They have been giving you nothing but lies for centuries and you want people to check from the Vatican. Do you think that they would tell you also where all the other molesters are station at? The one's they are still hiding? I don't think so.
---karen on 6/28/06


Emcee, it was not Mary that was spoken of in Genesis, you keep insisting because pope Pius IX said so, and he was no more fallible then anyone here. Sorry, but the popes words were not from Scripture but from himself.
---Lupe2618 on 6/28/06


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#1Wes::If you can find the source of Marys Origin,& acknowledge In the words spoken by Almighty God Gen3:15-you will see that He had in His mind a WOMAN which HE prophesied who would be the bearer of His seed.The enmity of which HE spoke is so blatantly evident by the different interpretations & denominations & although we call ourselves Christians :Are we of one accord-no- we are not-This will only happen When Satan & those who serve & inadvertently serve him will be separated For all eternity.contd.
---Emcee on 6/27/06


In other words, Rev. Herb, you are offering polemical sources, which I said earlier were not acceptable.

I have asked for direct Papal statements, with the NAME of the document they occurred in, date, and such--primary sources, in other words.
---Jack on 6/27/06


Just because he is the Pope, that doesn't mean he is better than any of us. We as Christians are mouth pieces for God. Nobody is perfect here on earth. For our flesh was born into sin, and our flesh will always continue to sin. The bible says there is not a just man that doeth good and sinneth not.
---Rebecca_D on 6/27/06


Jack, check out my profile and you will find a link to the information you seek. Check out the antichrist slideshow on the web site.

herb8789
---Rev_Herb on 6/27/06


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Ruben, I challenge you to find scripture in the Bible that says Mary was without sin.
---wes on 6/27/06


Ruben, if Mary was without sin, she could have been the sacrfice for all the sins of mankind. However, Mary was not without sin. She was just obedient and God used her. The Catholic church is wrong when they say "Mary was without sin".
---wes on 6/27/06


Wes-("in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by GOD, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin.") Are you saying that God cannot do this? Why do you have God in a box? And why is it you are right and the Church is wrong?
---Ruben on 6/27/06


REv Herb--Please give documentation and substatiation of what you said.

The Vatican Website has just about everything popes have said on it. You should therefore be able to give proof.

Polemical words are not acceptable.
---Jack on 6/27/06


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Example of Pople error...reason Catholics think Mary is sinless...
Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 12/08/1854, Pope Pius IX pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary "in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin."
---wes on 6/27/06


AN'TI, n. [Gr. See Ante.]
...in place of.
Webster's 1828 Dictionary

Antichrist.
In place of Christ...

"[W]e hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty."

--POPE LEO XIII
---Rev_Herb on 6/27/06


Mima, what you're saying is NOT the Roman Catholic teaching concerning papal infallibility.

No one says the pope is perfect. Indefectablity and impeccability have never been claimed for the pope.

The pope is believed to be infallible only when teaching on faith and morals, and then only under certain carefully defined conditions.

But something tells me that what the RCC actually says on this matter doesn't mean anything to you. You're going to misprepresent it anyway.
---Jack on 6/27/06


Tom2 - Since when is the pope in Christ seeing that he prays to and worships and adores Mary?
---Helen_5378 on 6/27/06


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Jesus is the only perfect person that ever walked this earth. The Pope is not the mouthpiece of God. He is a human being, a sinner and unless he asks forgiveness and accepts Jesus as his Saviour and Lord he will go the hell. God is full of mercy and would have all men be saved, even Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden and the Pope, if they will humble themselves before Him.
---emg on 6/27/06


RW--please give exact citation where any pope has said that Mary saves.

And how does this mesh with "being all things to all men that by all means I may SAVE some". Is St. Paul claiming to be the saviour? Or "It pleased God to save some by the foolishness of preaching"--does that mean he was replacing Christ as saviour with preaching?
---Jack on 6/26/06


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