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Why Are There Rev Titles

I am wondering why some feel the need to identify themselves as Rev. on a form like this. What is the point?

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Reverend is an adjective, NOT a title.

It can be compared to the adjective Honorable, used by holders of certain offices, including mayoral and judicial.
---Cluny on 6/28/10


My father was one. Yet he would rebuke any one who called him Reverand, telling them the only one who was ever Reverend, was the Lord Jesus Christ, and he only wanted to be referred to as Brother. His ordination was not only from Seminary he attended, but also higher and I dare not go into it on this blog.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/10/07

Your father I would have visited with. He had understanding of scripture. He must have loved scripture.
---Trav on 6/28/10


Sometimes titles are a sign of arrogance, pride and wanting to be more than others. I never understood that myself. But it could possibly come from a person's jobs,titles and careers also. We are given names,labels and title to distinguish us from others. As a form of identification.
---Robyn on 6/26/10


Reverend & Reverence belongs to God Only for Honor & the Highest esteem, because God has Not failed.
Man has failed & Reverend does Not belong in from of a man's name, especially a womans name.
If so then let be with the little r., its best Not at at all.
---Lawrence on 6/26/10


I think some people object to the adjective "reverend" because they simply hate to show respect or honor to others.

It's something very hard for Americans to do.

If you don't believe me, read some of these blogs.
---Jack on 1/6/08




Matthew 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi. 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

They loved to be called Rabbi,
Would this apply to Reverend, Father, Bishop, Dr.
---Chipper on 3/11/07


They may be trying to start something...like a motorcycle, when you kick-start it it goes,...rrrr.r.r.rrrev..erand.
---Eloy on 3/11/07


God is not against titles. We only are not to depend on them. Prophets, Priests, in the old test. sometimes were referred to as Father. God gives us titles. St. Paul calls Himself a Father. But He used it to denote [indicate] And affection. Pride can enter quickly, Which God's people must guard heavily against.
---catherine on 3/10/07


My father was one. Yet he would rebuke any one who called him Reverand, telling them the only one who was ever Reverend, was the Lord Jesus Christ, and he only wanted to be referred to as Brother. His ordination was not only from Seminary he attended, but also higher and I dare not go into it on this blog.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/10/07


Similar to someone signing their name, Prophetess genuine, or Dr. theology degree, or Rev. fish oil supplement.
You can say that you've taken a ride on the space shuttle. All the Christian really cares about is if your answer is Biblically/Scripturally sound. So go ahead and toot your horn, the proof is in your Christ-like replies.
---Lucy on 3/10/07




I feel that it is a religious thing and possibly a position of power thing also. Jesus says not to "call anyone on earth your father" meaning titles. I personally believe that if somebody in a pastoral position just has to be called "reverend" or whatever they have a problem. Jesus teaches us humility, not self-edification.
---Helen_5378 on 3/10/07


Respectfully:
We are all servants to christ working for the same purpose, a name could not possibly harm the church of God, it is what you do with your own selfish ambition that comes under scrutany not Yor name alone. I had a Hair Business for many years until my last daught's birth and used a name associated with hair cutting, What if I messes up every Cut that came in, I certainly wouldnt be looking to Open up using the same name.
---Carla5754 on 7/2/06


Thank you Chris. Please be assured I had no intention to offend anyone. God bless.
---Bruce5656 on 6/30/06


"Rebuke not an elder..." was originaly written to Timothy as Bishop of Crete, in which position he was as a father to the elders--presbyteroi in Greek: presbyters.
---Jack on 6/30/06


Carla,
How does that verse about slaves and their masters relate to this discussion?
---Bruce5656 on 6/30/06


Good responce Bruce , Thank you. I wish not to argue about this. I simply use it , I have had hands laid on me at my ordination service last July , and I only profess what Father tells, and points out, to me. And for me to ever imply that I have a "greater insight or knowledge that others cannot have " well that would be very wrong of me and would ask Father to correct me .Everyone is to come close to Father , understand His Word, and mature in Christ , that is what we are all called to do.
---rev._chris on 6/30/06


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Respectfully:
Rebuke not an Elder,but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as breathren;
---Carla5754 on 6/30/06


1 Timothy 6:7

Let as many servants as are under the YOKE count their own Masters Worthy of all Honnour, That the name of God and his doctine be not blasphemed.

2. And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are BRETHREN; but rather do them service, because thet are FAITHFUL and BELOVED, PARTAKERS OF THE BENIFIT, These things teach and EXHORT.
---Carla5754 on 6/30/06


"Reverend" properly means that you have hands laid on you in ordination.

It does not mean anything academic.

OTOH, one can get an M. Div, degree (usually 3 years after a bachelor's), and still not be found a suitable candidate for ordination.

Frequently, but not alaways, ministers will have both.
---Jack on 6/30/06


# 4 But to put Rev Chris's mind at rest, this is not a conviction, and I would not want to wage an argument about it.
---alan on 6/30/06


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# 3 Is it a little bit different here? Are those "Revs" participating because they have ordained or church jobs? If they make a comment, such as "Among my congregation...", it is perhaps right to use Rev, because their statement comes as a result of their church job.
But if they are stating a personal belief, I think that the use of "rev" can tend to give the impression I have previously described.
---alan on 6/30/06


# 1 In the UK legal forms ask for the prefix to the name, and it is correct here to put one's title, either, Mr, Mrs, Miss, Dr, Rev, Sir, etc ...
# 2 If one gets used to calling oneself Doctor or Rev in the course of one's job, I suppose it is natural to use it at other times, & I do not think there is the intention to sound pompous.
---alan on 6/30/06


Once my father (a nonpracticing ordained Baptist minister) was asked by a group of pastors to drive them to a conference. My father said, well I don't know why I am going since I am not a practicing pastor. One of the pastors replied. We asked you to go so we could ride in your automobile. Now that statement says many things. The automobile btw was a 1957 Chrysler imperial continental.
---mima on 6/30/06


What do you call a person who has 96+ graduate credits, has passed both written and oral examinations? In the medical field, it is "doctor"

In my case, I earned 120 grad-level credits for my M.Div., and still learning.

Peers and parishoners recognized me as having the gifts& graces requisite for a pastor. Thus, I have a title of Rev. People from churches still call me "Pastor John"

For me, it is a title of a servant, not an exalted person. BTW job has baddies
---John_T on 6/30/06


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PART ONE:

Chris,

Sorry you feel that way. Alan and I were being frank about how we feel. That is not the same as being judgmental.

Do I think one can be a pastor here? No I do not.

You can be a pastor using the site but to presume to be a pastor to the blogers here is, well, presumptuous. To suggest otherwise is to say that a "pastor" has some greater insight or knowledge that others cannot have.
---Bruce5656 on 6/30/06


PART TWO:
Can you be nurturing, encouraging, edifying, instructive etc? Certainly you can, but no more so than some others here who are not pastors.

As you have noted some here who are pastors demonstrate a profound lack of humility and appear to run roughshod over the other bloggers. Others who are homemakers or some other profession exhibit a tremendous depth of sensitivity and scripture knowledge that easily surpasses that of some pastors.
---Bruce5656 on 6/30/06


PART THREE:
The internet, and in particular a forum like this is a great equalizer. When it comes to what is written here, everyone is on an equal footing as far as being heard and respected for their opinions.

Certainly you can witness here, there are indeed those who need to hear. There may be matters that your training in counseling (for example,) may allow you to contribute in a way that few others can (although there are some excellent non-pastor counselors here.)
---Bruce5656 on 6/30/06


PART FOUR:
However, if your counsel is valid, it would be just as valid whether you identify your self as Rev. or not. In matters of theology, it comes down to what sayeth the scriptures? and it is up to the Holy Spirit to make his word and truth real to the reader.
---Bruce5656 on 6/30/06


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I know a 'rev' who will say on the telephone "This is the Reverend XYZ" at the start of a call to his child's headmaster or to make an appointment with his dentist etc. I doubt he would do the same if he were in any other occupation, except perhaps Doctor!! It really does sound pompous.
---emg on 6/30/06


Sorry Rev Chris, that you should judge me as being judgmental, and have turned ny feelings into a conviction.
Maybe I am only a lay contributor here, and maybe I am not typical, but nevertheless, I was honestly responding to the question asked.
I did not wish to cause any offense by doing that
---alan8869_of_UK on 6/30/06


Bruce I know that some of the post have upset you and it has shown in your post. I only wrote you to say beware because it is unlike you to show displeasure in a person.
God Bless you and continue on.
---Elder on 6/29/06


"God's Truth and Love is shown just as much through lay as ordained persons" And I agree with you totaly. See some of my other posts. There are some pastors that are but a child in there maturity and some laymen that are grandfathers. Age doesn't have anything to do with your relationship and maturity with Christ. It's your walk with Him and how far you are willing to go with Him that matures you. My walk is blessed with many trials and tribulations for wich to witness from and give testimony.
---rev._chris on 6/29/06


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Glad to see your "feelings" are so judgmental.I use it because that is what I am called . Do you not think that one can be a pastor here ? If this "puts you off" then those are your own convictions and I am sorry. And if one is a pastor why not witness here, there seem to be many who need it here . Do you think it is only 9-5? If a call comes in at 3:00 AM should I say "sorry call back later , not on the clock"? Would seem kinda wrong ,huh.
---rev._chris on 6/29/06


BTW, when this whole issue was brought up a few weeks ago, I mentioned at the time that "reverend" is NOT a title, but an adjective. It is similar to "Honorable". Just as one does not say "Honorable Smith", so one should not say "Reverend Smith."
---Jack on 6/29/06


Alan,
Exactly! Right or wrong, you have expressed even more clearly how I feel.
---Bruce5656 on 6/29/06


#2 But that is a problem also with the names that a few people adopt. Only a few do this, but it can appear that they may be seeking to gain greater authority here by using names that imply holiness, or closeness to God.
That actually puts me off, for I feel they show pride, and that can be an indication of self-delusion
---alan8869_of_UK on 6/29/06


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#1 I think that most here know that Elder's name is Elder, and so he is entitled to use that as a Name.
But when someone uses the title, "Rev" it does seem to me that they are saying "I am a Rev, therefore I know more than you, and my view is more valid, or carries more weight, than yours" That is unfortunate, for in general God's Truth and Love is shown just as much through lay as ordained persons
---alan8869_of_UK on 6/29/06


Chris,
I have no problem with the title Rev. as such. Please read my answer to Elder below for an explaination of my thinking about the use of it here.
---Bruce5656 on 6/28/06


...being a pastor is not a 9-5 job( and anyone who thinks it should be ought to look at why they are a pastor)I am a pastor at work , when I am witnessing , when I am here blogging,and anytime Father asks me . What better place to witness the thrueth of God's Word than here.
---rev._chris on 6/28/06


PART ONE:
Elder,
I appreciate the spirit with which you express your self on these blogs.

I have seen the flack you have taken because of your name and must admit that I wondered about it myself when I first started here.
---Bruce5656 on 6/28/06


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PART TWO:
The response you have received from others over the use of the ID "Elder" is indicative of the problem I see in the use of the title Rev. here Others have perceived your name as being a presumptive "title" and have been abusive to you for using it.

You have every right to use your own name of course. I cannot say for certain if I would do the same or not.
---Bruce5656 on 6/28/06


PART THREE:
I think not, but that is not a criticism of your decision to do so.

I too went through many battles to get to the point of recognition you speak of. Speaking for myself, if my ordination were still effective (it has lapsed because the fellowship I was ordained with has a minimum number of times one preaches in the run of a year) I would not be using Rev. Bruce here.
---Bruce5656 on 6/28/06


PART FOUR:
I would not want people to think that I feel my words carry any more force or effect than anyone elses. While there are many experienced folk her that know better, there are many young/immature Christians that could be swayed by Rev so-and-sos title. As in, Oh he must know, he is a minister. When it comes down to it, it is, "For what saith the scripture? (Rom. 4:3) Anything else is he said she said.
---Bruce5656 on 6/28/06


PART FIVE:
With respect to anger towards someone, I would not say that is true. I am bothered by the rude and ignorant attitude of one (as is the moderator since he stated that the person is about to be blocked because of it) and the utter arrogance of another. I believe it is wrong to steal someone elses thoughts and pass them off as your own.
---Bruce5656 on 6/28/06


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PART SIX:
I make no apologies for calling someone on that as I have in the past and may very well in the future.

The only other thing I can think of that someone does that bothers me is consistently disagree with the explanation of scripture offered by saying it is not so and yet will not offer an alternate explanation. (With one recent exception.)
---Bruce5656 on 6/28/06


I have come a long way, fought many battles, climbed over and dug under many obstacles to get where I am at today. Because honorable men who were my peers and trainers decided to Ordain me into the Gospel Ministry and place the title known to mankind as Reverend Elder ****** (last name purposely not used, don't blame ChristiaNet for deleting)
on me so that others may know and understand causes no problem in my heart.
Cond #2
---Elder on 6/28/06


Cond #2
I know whom I serve and why. Reverend is my position it is not me. It was granted to me by my Lord and then confirmed by Godly men. Those who do not hold this title/position may not understand, some may abuse it and some may be jealous but that doesn't change why it was placed on me.
Maybe I should begin using the title here.
---Elder on 6/28/06


Bruce I have been belittled, condemned and berated for using my name a few times. My first name is Elder. Should I not use it because it sounds like a Church position.
I don't like saying this but I get the idea that you have allowed someone to "get under your skin" and it is beginning to show. On some of your posts I see anger that I have not seen in you before. Again I hope I am the one needing correcting and not you. Consider my words and feel free to correct me.
---Elder on 6/28/06


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My question was not about the use of titles in daily life etc. It is about the use of titles in the blogs. My personal opinion is that identifying ones self as Rev. ... or pastor... is irrelevant in these forms unless one thinks that it will lend some greater credence to their words.
---Bruce5656 on 6/28/06


Bishop, pastor, reverand, teacher ,minister, rabbi, all are the title of someone who God has selected ,trained,and laid upon ones heart to teach others the Word of God. I was called to the ministry 3 years ago and ordained last year. Father has been working in me for over 20 yrs for this time . Are there ones out there for their own vanity , yes just like in the corperate world . I urge you just ask Jesus to lead you to one that is correct with His Word and fellowship together.
---rev._chris on 6/28/06


My Bible tells me that "holy and REVEREND is HIS name (Psa 111:9). One should ask if a mere man is worthy to assume one of the titles of God.
---jerry6593 on 6/28/06


Went to a house church recently. The leader said if your physical ills were not healed it was because you did not have proper faith, so were not saved. Talking to two members afterwards they said they were uncomfortable with that doctrine, but were afraid to say so, for fear of being unwelcome in the group.
---alan8869_of_UK on 6/28/06


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If you start a house church, you must do so for the right reason and with God's leading through prayer. Many house churches were started simply because someone did not want to be under the authority. This is a false motive.
---Doc on 6/27/06


If you do not want to go to a religious church, you might want to consider starting your own house church - the same churches that the first Christians started. Read all about it in the Bible.
---Steve on 6/27/06


#2 We, as Saints, need to pray for them, enocurage them, restore them if their is repentance. Our Pastors need our encouragement and our intercession on their behalf. When they are under a full Satanic attack, it is hard to stand, even with the full armour of God. Unless you have experienced it, it is hard to comprehend it.
Mt 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
---Debbie on 6/27/06


John I truely feel for you and your friend, it hurts us when we here of others who are in a role that is so looked at and in a position to lead , and they act this way. I knew of a man who called himself a minister and yet if you didn't pay him , he wouldn't. Those people will be held accountable for the many who they turned way from Jesus and be jugded harshly. I would say to find a church or small group to worship with, for we are to fellowship with each other also to help and support each other,
---rev._chris on 6/27/06


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#1 In my humble opinion, Reverand should be reserved for God. I am not condoning what some pastors have done, but we must show forgiveness even to fallen ministers and pastors. Anyone who gives out the Truth battles daily. The enemy is sly and a good judge of human nature, and we have to remember, all ministers and pastors, etc. are human and are living with their old Adamic nature.
---Debbie on 6/27/06


John I am sorry you feel the way you do about church because of some sinners that have to pay their own bill.
I have been where you are at more than one time also.
I have learned that someone out of the will of God will not cause me to reject the instruction and teaching of the Lord.
Remember you can be a Christian and stay out of church and a fish can be a fish and be out of water. Think of what happens to the fish.
---Elder on 6/27/06


Why do they call NCOs Sergeants or commissioned officers Captain ect? Is it because they earned those positions?
I am proud of where the Lord brought me from and where He has put me. I don't use my title because I have a hard enough time spelling my own name as some of you have noticed. But I also don't care if others use their title here. It is very easy to "dislike" someone on these blogs and it is a trick of Satan. We should be praying for one another.
---Pastor_Rev._Elder on 6/27/06


Part 2. My good friend Jim, won't go to church anymore either. At his last church, the youth Pastor was going on pornographic sites right from the church! I'm done with church.
---John on 6/27/06


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Part 1. The reverend name is so they can be exalted above us other lowly humans. What get's me is when they call themselves the "Right Reverend Jesse Shuks", for example. What makes them so right? They will tell you that God makes them right, and he can make us right, but not the way they mean it. This is one of the many reasons that I don't go to church anymore. If you only knew what my last three Pastors were really like. A LOT of people hide behind church.
---John on 6/27/06


I'm sorry you feel that way . It is what they call me at my job and I am one . The title doesn't mean in any way that someone is better than the other and it's not self edifacation. Do you call your elders elders, your ministers ministers, or your pastors pastors? And it's not a "religious thing" , not into religon only spreading the trueth of God's Word. Religon has been taught too long ,I teach The Word as given by Jesus and His desiples .
---rev._chris on 6/27/06


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