ChristiaNet MallWorld's Largest Christian MallChristian BlogsFree Bible QuizzesFree Ecards and Free Greeting CardsLoans, Debt, Business and Insurance Articles

What Is Unity And Tolerance

Please comment on what your ideas of unity and tolerance are. How much, what kind of, and how to avoid conflicts with your own convictions and still have unity and tolerance?

Moderator - Many liberals are attempting to redefine those words to mean don't tell me of my sin and a God whom will judge me in the end.

Join Our Christian Singles and Take The Missionaries Bible Quiz
 ---mima on 6/30/06
     Helpful Blog Vote (9)

Reply to this BlogPost a New Blog



I believe there is a way to love the sinner and still hate the sin. You can be a friend to a sinner and not fellowship with his darkness. Preaching Christ and Him crucified is not what I call "soft on sin". Anyone who can take a look at Jesus hanging on that cross and say that God is soft on sin has not really taken a good look at it. The cross was God's ultimate love for man and His ultimate hatred for sin displayed all in one place.
---Linda6563 on 3/15/08


Tolerance should be more akin to compassion and true compassion is unequivocal acceptance. Today's "tolerance", however, is riddled with arrogance and contempt.
---Daniel on 7/1/07


Tolerance should be more akin to compassion and true compassion is unequivocal acceptance. Today's "tolerance", however, is riddled with arrogance and contempt.
---Daniel on 7/1/07


The means of unity is lowliness. Now lowliness is opposed to pride. You must leave off the struggles, debates, and prolonged arguments. Which is where tolerance plays into it. God simply won't put up with this stuff from His own people. Conflicts with ones own convictions. Unbelievers cannot depend upon their own conscience. Most people have no strong convictions. If it feels right, sounds right, looks right, it must be right. WRONG.
---catherine on 7/1/07


The truth of God's word should never be forsaken for the sake of unity and tolerance. How can you call unity "unity" if it is based on lies? To tolerate gross Scriptural error is not right -- that sort of error should be exposed. I have seen Christians go the wrong way for the sake of so-called unity. There is much error proclaimed under the banner of "don't judge".
---Helen_5378 on 7/1/07




My point to you Rickey is that you cannot change the Nature and Character of God to fit what you understand about God. When speaking about God we as Christians are dependent upon Him for everything, if it was as you say, we would not need God and would not depend on Him for anything since He could not do it anyway. And your dependence is on your own strength and not His. Why even be a Christian since you are in control.
---Lupe2618 on 7/6/06


Tolerance of today is when people feel that there is only love with God but never any justice. They don't like to hear God will punish anyone. So to them there is no hell but just a symbol of hell. Also today the tolerance is to believe that man is in control and that God is unable to go against man. His hands are tide. That Man saves himself and makes himself a new creation. A God we could count on for prayer our salvation, our joy, and dependence is just not able to help because we don't let Him.
---Lupe2618 on 7/6/06


Brother Exzucuh, I was also anxious to see how you are going to disprove predestination. I suppose you know that in order to do that you will have to attack the nature of God, and disprove that, but of course you already knew that right? Waiting for an answer from you.
---karen on 7/5/06


.....then he told them that they needed to quit acting like they had not been delivered from the world. It is my experience that most people in open sin do stop coming on their own because of the conviction, but when you have a situation like the church at Corinth where the rest of the body was boasting right along with the man and probably even spurring him along a bit, desperate measures are needed. It all got straightened out though, praise God.
---Linda6563 on 7/5/06


In the Corinthian Church, both the man in open sin and the whole corporate body were functioning in the height of arrogance. They had not mourned for this man but rather boasted. That leaven of pride was like yeast affecting the whole body. To me, this situation was what I would call a church crises amongst a bunch of carnal baby Christians who just didn't get it. However, Paul spent the first few chapters reminding them of who they were in Christ and what they came out of....
---Linda6563 on 7/5/06




Exzucuh, I want you, for my sake only, disprove predestination? I would like to hear what you do with so many passages that speak about predestination. I hope that you are going to read them in context. I believe in the Sovereignty of God too. Do you really believe man is in control? and please tell me why you believe that. Just one question for me first.
---lee_1 on 7/4/06


2 It is my pleasure to discus this issue or doctrine with you exzucuch. You can give me whatever topic in predestination you want. I will answer you in the context of whatever passages you give me. You said disprove and I cannot wait to hear how you will interpret the passages you will give me to disprove so many Scriptures about Election.
---Lupe2618 on 7/4/06


exzucuh, The destiney of the world lies in the Hands of Almighty God. If Christ was chosen as a sacrafice for sin in infinite time, How could it have been His choice? You seem to forget that its God who is calling the shots. Not man. Man doesn't even know how to even read His word (Bible)without Him helping you. Man doesn't even know or believe until God gives him that faith. Speak to me about how you can disprove Predestination.
---Lupe2618 on 7/4/06


Linda--what you said about people leaving the church on their own when they are backsliding is likely the usual case.IMO an apostate or non-Christian, may stay out of defiance and require church discipline. But for a Christian who is sinning, being in church is miserable. It is a constant reminder of their sinfulness, and when they are there the conviction of the HS is powerful. If they do not quickly repent, they are likely to start avoiding church altogether. These we need to confront in all meekness.
---Donna_Smith on 7/4/06


Judas was predestined to betray Christ but the decision was made by Judas at the moment he sopped the bread satan entered him. You make the decision what you will believe and that is your destiny, Jesus asked the man Wilt thou be made whole, it was his decision, not destiny. The kingdom is taken by force which means it is up to you to take it not destiny to give it.
---Exzucuh on 7/4/06


Jesus was predestined to go to the cross it was from creation but the word says he went by Faith meaning he had a choice, in his weakness he asked God to take the cup from him but then did Gods will.
---Exzucuh on 7/4/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Debt Relief


You are like so many who wait on things that God is giving us now you are bound by religious Idea's that hold back the blessings of God. It is you who is doing this not destiny. The law is destiny under it there is no hope you have to wait until you die. But in Christ you can die now and still live in the promise,you can be dead in Chist and be sinless, righteous and the full stature of Christ. You can have his mind and do what he did with the exception of his cross.
---Exzucuh on 7/4/06


You say God holds your destiny then turn around and say ( many think that because they are saved they can still do what they want since they are saved,) you contradict your destiny theory right there and say the same thing I did that (This is not a thing that will happen over night or in one day but according to the way events happen on the earth and according to the response of people to the truth. We hold our destiny in our hands, a freewill to obey or not.)
---Exzucuh on 7/4/06


predestination is another false doctrine, I can disprove it if you want. We are predestined to become the Son's and daughters of God but if we do not accept Christ we will not. we have the power to deny him,Jesus said the scripture says ye are gods and cannot be broken the flesh is powerful Jacob's flesh overpowered God same as all flesh can. It is the longsuffering of God that allows this world to keep going.Our actions determine what he will do
---exzucuh on 7/4/06


The problem with the view of been saved, is that many think that because they are saved they can still do what they want since they are saved, but let me tell you that a person that even thinks that way, is not saved. If he was he thoughts would be to do for Christ, to not want to do sin, to not even think of it if he could get it out of his mind. But never the other way around.
---Lupe2618 on 7/4/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Debt Settlement


4. The salvation of the elect will be complete. As Paul wrote to the Corinthians "The corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality" (1 Cor. 15:53). We are to seperate ourselves from the world and commanded not to sin, as to the awareness that we can still sin. Spiritually, we are righteous before God but in the flesh we will always struggle, for all come short of the glory of God.
---Lupe2618 on 7/4/06


3. There is a greater glory, a permanent and far more satisfying glory that awaits every saint at the end of His or hers spiritual pilgrimage. It is what the Bible calls "glorification" Glorification is the terminus of Paul's "golden chain" of redemption. The doctrine of glorification refers to that time when at Christ's second coming, the true believer, both living and dead, will have full and final redemption of their bodies and reach their final state.
---Lupe2618 on 7/4/06


2. If you have love, it is only because He has given it to you. Anything that you have that is good is because of Him and not from you, for anything that is not of Faith(in God) is sin. Linda mentions that a brother should not eat with another brother that sins continually. If he sins continually he is not saved. For the Spirit of Christ would convict him and he would not continue. Yet no where does scripture say that we are prefected completely.
---Lupe2618 on 7/4/06


Excucuh, God holds your destiney. You don't hold it. You exist because of Him, you are alive because of Him. You will die when He say's so. You have nothing in your hands only what God gives you. Everything and everyone belongs to the Lord and He see's fit how to give and what to take away. You are nothing without Christ. The division that you mention is what Scripture calls the wheat and the tares. That division has been there from Adam.
---Lupe2618 on 7/4/06


Send a Free Humor Ecard


This is not a thing that will happen over night or in one day but according to the way events happen on the earth and according to the response of people to the truth. We hold our destiny in our hands, a freewill to obey or not.
---exzucuh on 7/2/06


Then as time goes on this war that is waged against Christ and his church will cause many to weaken. As the goverment keeps passing laws to take away the Idea of a God who protects this nation. Once the separation is complete, and those who openly deny the Lord who saved them by their separation into false Doctrine and Ideology, the judgement will sit and two will be in a field one will be taken and thown into hell and the other will be left until righteousness prevails and the Saints take the Kingdom.
---exzucuh on 7/2/06


Out of the wilderness so to speak is coming an uncompromising,truth preaching church with a Spirit like Elijah and Moses,one proves God the other leads the way to God. The word that comes forth will make the Tares and the wheat come to maturity,and seeing their differences they will separate, the tares will find compatability with the world and soon good will be evil and evil will be good and the constitution will back up their rights to freedom of religion.
---exzucuh on 7/2/06


Many do not want to hear this but there is something taking place in the church and the world right now. Some are blinded to it, but people are grouping together to support their own Ideas. These people don't care about what the Spirit is saying to the Church.
---exzucuh on 7/2/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Distance Learning


Yes, Exzucuh. Paul makes it clear that he is talking not about unbelievers but believers. He told them to not even so much as eat with "a brother" who chooses to arrogantly continue in sin. Unbelievers are simply being true to their nature. Believers who arrogantly continue in sin are not being true to their nature.
---Linda6563 on 7/2/06


He was restored though. You can find that in 2 Corinthians where Paul tells them to receive him as a brother lest he become discouraged because "we are not ignorant of satan's devices".
---Linda6563 on 7/2/06


I believe also that many measures had already been taken but the man was just plain proud of his ability to continue in sin. We should also attempt to restore in a spirit of meekness. However, if the brother won't listen, he won't listen. The man in Corinth had set aside the grace of God that teaches us to deny ungodliness and wordly lusts and trampled the blood of Christ.
---Linda6563 on 7/2/06


There is something about being in an environment where "Christ in you, the hope of glory" is preached consistently. The message of the cross, the power of God, seems to convict all on its own. I pray we never run into such a crisis as those in the Corinthian church.
---Linda6563 on 7/2/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Education


Donna, while we sharing on this subject this morning in Sunday School, one of the ladies made an interesting comment....something I had even thought of but didn't mention. In our fellowship, we have not had to publicly disfellowship anyone because those in such sinful situations by arrogant choice have left on their own and come back when the goodness of God granted them repentance. In that humility, they were received. It seems like this always happens, no matter who the person is.
---Linda6563 on 7/2/06


Paul was not talking about disfellowship with unbelievers but those who have tasted the heavenly gift and are walking on the blood of Jesus they are selling him for beans like Esau and 30 pieces of silver like Judas your fellowship with them makes you a partaker of their sins saying by fellowship they are allright.
---exzucuh on 7/2/06


5. With His promies and yet we still don't get it. We still want to be in control. Our lives are in Christ forever. He lives in our hearts. He will work the corrupt into the incorruptable as He promises, but because of Him not because of us. He is our strength and our salvation. "HE" not us.
---lupe on 7/2/06


4. The question is alway's about man. What can we do? in every case its man, and not God. Still counting on what we can do when we know that without Christ we can do nothing. Many times there is no change. The subject is us. Can I make it? Can "I" please God enough to make it? "I" can lose my salvation. "I" can say no to God later if "I" want. Things just don't change. The change is when God comes into our lives and promises to change us and gives us assurances
---lupe on 7/2/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Home Equity Loans


3. you don't have to believe in predestination, but it does make a difference in your life as a Christian. The first, who gets the glory? can we count on the promies of Christ, or on our selfs? Can God do what He promise are can man thwart His plans? And last, our assurance of salvation, is it in our hands or is it in Gods hands? But does it change the salvation, no it doesn't.
---lupe on 7/2/06


2. Christians are called to witness to others, we don't know the chosen ones. So the word goes out to many. The Holy Spirit works through the life of the believer. Predestinations teaches us that man fail in the fall and God made it possible for us to come to Christ and have a relationship with Him again. He didn't do His plan according to what we do, man failed already doing what he wanted. If he left everything to us, we would continue to fail. His church will succeed and be complete when He says so.
---lupe on 7/2/06


Predestination, has nothing to do with whether you are saved or not. It is the understanding of how or why you were. It is not hard to understand that if you are one of the chosen, you will believe, because faith is given to us. If you don't choose Christ then you are not one of the chosen. It is as simple as that. We have to be born of the Spirit. If we are, we are of the promise of God. If we are not, we are of the flesh.
---lupe on 7/2/06


In other words, we are to be in conflict FOR our brothers and sisters and not in conflict WITH them. Disfellowshipping that brother or sister should be supported with much prayer not only for him or her but also for the whole body "lest they also be tempted".
---Linda6563 on 7/2/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Interest Rates


Donna, I haven't ever seen an instance of it. We preach Christ and Him crucified consistently and haven't had a crisis like the one mentioned in 1 Cor. where the member was arrogantly sinning (instead of humbling struggling) and the whole assembly boasted in it. I do believe in "church discipline", however, Paul's admonition in 1 Cor. regarding disfellowship on a corporate level has a tendency to shoot down any "arrogance" on the part of those who would remain in fellowship.
---Linda6563 on 7/2/06


Thank you Bruce ... I agree with what you say. But there are those, and Mima seems to be one, who will say that unless we understand and agree the detailed process by which we are saved (ie by predestination as opposed to freewill) we can't be saved
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/2/06


Linda6563--Just out of curiosity, does your church "disfellowship" people often? Do they ever?
---Donna2277 on 7/1/06


#4. I think too many Christians think their job is to be the morality police for unsaved sinners. Show me in scripture where it says that is our responsibility.
---Madison1101 on 7/1/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Internet Marketing


#3. If my friend in high school had told me I was sinning because of my drug use and sex life, I would have never entered her church when she invited me. Instead, she and her family loved me and had me for dinner, and took me on trips, and invited me to church, and I became a Christian, was baptized, and came under conviction through the Word of God. They loved and prayed. God convicted and disciplined me.
---Madison1101 on 7/1/06


#2. A Baptist church has a website that says that God hates fags. This message communicates to the world that WE, you, me, all Christians agree with this mentality, because many of us attend Baptist churches.

I would rather love someone to Jesus, and let His Word, and His Holy Spirit convict the person of any of their sin, then argue with them over the sin in their life.
---Madison1101 on 7/1/06


Sadly, I have seen too many Christians and ministers in the public eye show a public lack of love toward certain specific types of sinners or groups of people. This hatred of the sinner has caused many to rally to the other extreme.

Jesus showed us how we are to treat sexual sinners in the way He interacted with the woman at the well, and the woman caught in adultery. His words were few, but His love and compassion were immense.
---Madison1101 on 7/1/06


Linda, thank you for your insights, they are of much help
---christina on 7/1/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Life Insurance


Alan,
I mean by faith in the finished work of Christ. Not good works, church affiliation, baptism etc.

On this Lupe and I agree 100%. The only disagreement between us is if a person has a choice about becoming a christian. Either way, the means of becoming a christian is the same.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.
---Bruce5656 on 6/30/06


Bruce's statement that" How one becomes A Christian" is an essential of salvation is correct. Without a understanding of this knowledge(How one becomes a Christian) a person getting saved has no anchor, no direction, and no certainty of his salvation being secure. Another words without this understanding there can be understanding of eternal life.
---mima on 6/30/06


Bruce ... You list "How one becomes a Christian" as a core and uncomprising doctrine of salvation. I'm not sure about that one.
I think most here would say that faith is the central core of salvation but as to the "how", or process, some believe in free-will, others in predestination. I incline to one of those views, Lupe, for example, to the other. But neither of us would say that our understanding of the process is essential to salvation.
I hope you just mean faith?
---alan8869_of_UK on 6/30/06


I believe that most who post on these blogs are Christians. To me, the core of Christianity is a compelling belief in Jesus as God and personal Savior from sin. I disagree doctrinally and/or politically with some, but if we agree on the few essentials, I consider that they are bros or sisters in the Lord...even many that others label as "apostate" or bound for hell. I don't post to "preach" I'm here to learn and enjoy a little debate with the "family".
---Donna2277 on 6/30/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Make Money


I've seen the meaning of the word "tolerance" change over the years. It used to mean that even if we disagreed totally with someone, we recognized their humanity and treated them with respect. NOW it seems to mean that we must value, not only all persons, but also all opposing views and hold them to be equally valid.

As a Christian, I have no problem with the first type of tolerance, but cannot practice the second.
---Donna2277 on 6/30/06


I believe that in the Christian community (and I mean Christian not "Christian"), the unity we see in the book of Acts (one accord) is unity of purpose. Differences in administration or emphasis on non essential (to salvation) points of doctrine do not interfere with such unity.

When it comes to the core doctrines of salvation:
-Who Jesus is
-How one becomes a Christian
there can be no compromise.
---Bruce5656 on 6/30/06


And last but not least, the power of the Lord Jesus Christ must be present. The power of the Lord Jesus Christ is His power to heal, restore, and make whole. The believer can then be disfellowshipped with the knowledge that upon repentance there is cleansing and restoration. Anything out of order in these three things amounts to just a bunch of gathered "high and mighty's" condemning another and not being much better themselves.
---Linda6563 on 6/30/06


In other words, you have divine alignment, balance, and structure. You can gather engine parts together but until they are assembled, you don't have an engine. You just have a bunch of parts that have potential in an assembly. The second qualification was that the apostolic oversight must be present in spirit. In other words, the one who laid the foundation of that church must be in agreement.
---Linda6563 on 6/30/06


Read These Insightful Articles About Rehab Treatments


That Scripture has bothered me for some time because it seems like you can't find too many people humble enough or pure enough themselves to do such a thing as disfellowship a brother. My questions were answered last night. There are three qualifications that must be met before one is disfellowshipped. First, the people must be assembled in the name (nature) of the Lord Jesus. Assembly is not just a gathering. Assembly is everyone in their place and the body standing as ONE MAN under ONE HEAD.
---Linda6563 on 6/30/06


When Christ and Him crucified is preached in the fullness, the unity of the faith we are all to come to is not an issue and neither is tolerance for sin. I was reading 1 Cor. last night before I went to bed and became very interested in the part where Paul tells them to "deliver such an one up to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
---Linda6563 on 6/30/06


Copyright© 1996-2015 ChristiaNet®. All Rights Reserved.