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Should We Call Others To Truth

Is perhaps this thing about the Apostate Church getting too much attention, since no denominations are 100% correct in doctrine, and becoming almost like a witch hunt? Could it be a ploy of Satan to distract the focus from God? Not referring to Apostate ECards on here.

Moderator - It's just the opposite. The vast majority of people calling themselves Christians are apostate in their daily living and are going to bust hell wide open. How many apostate sermons have you heard from you pastor or priest? We need to sound the alarm if we are not part of the apostate church.

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lying ministers and those who do the bidding of Satan believe they "call" to truth - unsupported by Holy Scripture

ONLY The Father in Heaven calls anyone to truth

otherwise one believes they are a god and are higher than the one deity that sits on the throne in heaven

evangelism is part of the worlds christianity

the world is owned by Satan 2Corin 4:4

either believe Gods word or believe the lying men who dupe many into believing they "lead" people to God

God is very clear in scripture HE calls those to TRUTH

no flesh and blood man is capable
---Rhonda on 6/20/10


I think the Moderator said it all.
---catherine on 6/19/10


TGhe moderator who echoes John MacArthur is scarily prophetic about busting hell wide open.
And to think some who claim to be Christians are filled with hate for different races, illegal aliens, denominations, presidents, neighbors and even family members who think their hate is justified while the Lord says he who hates is brother is a murderer. (1 John 3:15) And its the same thing we self-righteously call the abortionists.
We made the false distinction on "murder" not the Lord. That's scary.
---larry on 6/18/10


The Man-made rcc Is the mother apostate church, then her apostate daughters churches the presby, cog, luth, bapt, naz, aog, episco, c - science etc & what they teach onced saved always saved, the sinners prayer, easy believism, no works salvation IS False teachings, & there is NO 1 found in scriptures of any one that was baptized in the titles Father - Son & Holy spirit. These teachings are here Prov.14 v 12, Matt.15 v 9, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15.

The Church of The Living God was born on the day of Pentecost to the Jewish people First according to Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfill Matt.28 v's 19 - 20. This IS 100% correct. God has only 1 Church.
---Lawrence on 6/18/10


For those who are not a part of the Apostate Church it is up to us to tell those that have gone astray, giving them a chance to come back on the narrow path. If we don't tell them, then just who will? The whole church must come back to The Cross.
---Helen_5378 on 11/24/07




While witnessing many people ask me questions about the churches. Example; in Mexico many as about the Catholic Church and its teachings. Here in this country most questions are about being baptized, being divorced, being concerned with their works, in that order... We have a duty to tell the truth, as best we know it, when confronted with a question. I have had priest warn their people about listening to such as me.
---mima on 3/23/07


Helen--The main requirement is to be actually BORN AGAIN. It may be a struggle to refute what they have been taught for, perhaps, many years. But those whose eyes have been truly opened can't return to blindness. Fortunately for us,the Holy Spirit, while ever the gentleman, is both patient and persistent.
---Donna2277 on 7/9/06


It,s the holy spirits job to convict people.it,s our job to love them.But if any christian habitually sdins we must and are told to correct them in love.The problem today is soooooooo many aren,t living in truth, the church is outa control.
---tom2 on 7/4/06


Donna Darlene& Helen :-let me define Apostacy::Defection from God through entire rejection"AFTER" it has been previously accepted:1.the christian faith(switching )2Eccliastical obedience.(things & doctrines in the bible "Not" accepted 3Religious & clerical state. (abondaning your calling.)
---Emcee on 7/4/06


Donna 2277 - I understand that. However, I just wonder about someone who is born-again and reads their Bible and sees the truth therein, but chooses to go along with what they are taught instead? Will we not account for the light that we have?
---Helen_5378 on 7/4/06




Helen--I believe that when a person sincerely repents and invites the Lord to come into his life, the Holy Spirit does come to reside within him. Such a person is a Christian and, in that sense, needs nothing more. But due to ingnorance and false teaching, mainly, many miss the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and all He can accomplish through them.
---Donna2277 on 7/4/06


Darlene 1 - Isn't that sad. They are rejecting a lot of what Jesus' died to give us. Before Jesus went to the Cross it says "the Holy Spirit was not yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified" (John 7:39). Only arrogance and pride would reject such precious gifts.
---Helen_5378 on 7/4/06


Helen 5378 they believe they receive the Holy Spirit when they repent and accept Christ and that they need nothing else.
---Darlene_1 on 7/4/06


Donna and Darlene - (The two D's LOL). What is so ridiculous about those who go against the Holy Spirit, i.e. tongues and the gifts, I mean what do they do with the fact that you just cannot be born-again without the Holy Spirit coming in and taking up residence in you?
---Helen_5378 on 7/3/06


Donna and Helen,good input. Looked up Apostate in Merriam-Webster Dictionary ,found it isn't just abadonment,but also revolt,and/or renunciation of a religious faith. With this definition it could include turning from or to deny the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with tongues, and the Gifts of the Spirit. I have never believed that would send one to Hell, but if God made it a part of the NT experience and to deny HG,or speak evil of Him would be blasphemy,that does send one to Hell. Still searching.
---Darlene_1 on 7/3/06


#2 That's why I prefer the DICTIONARY, commonly understood, definition (see prior post) Those who have abandoned CHRISTIANITY and the sacrificial death of Jesus ARE APOSTATE without doubt. They attend church and believe they are Christians, when in fact, they are lost and do not know the Savior. Those are the ones we need to warn, instead of battling each other over doctrines that are not essential to Salvation.
---Donna2277 on 7/3/06


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#1 Many Christians operate in the flesh, Pentecostal or non-Pentecostal. I have been guilty of this more often than I'd like to admit. And I agree that bypassing this baptism and the gifts is no small omission. I just think that "apostasy" ,on these blogs,is often too narrowly defined. Even Bible believers differ. If apostasy is "teaching something against the Word of God", even true born-again Christians will be battling each other til the Rapture! ( upon which we also cant agree..).
---Donna2277 on 7/3/06


Darlene and Donna - Could refusing to believe that the Holy Spirit, tongues and the Holy Spirit gifts are not for today actually be a part of the apostasy? I mean they are not some small thing - there is a lot said about them in God's word. If people refute these, then what else do they maybe refute that is truth? Just wondering... (By the way my other post did all go through).
---Helen_5378 on 7/3/06


Darlene--personally, I'm on your side when it comes to the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. It looks like Helens entire message didn't get posted. But I agree with her that the issue is SALVATION. I believe it comes by faith through Grace alone, plus nothing. Though some insist on works in addition, I don't see them all as unsaved. IMO the REAL apostates are those that deny the Divinity of Christ or His sacrifice for sin, as do many mainline churches. They don't even believe in sin or that humans need saving.
---Donna2277 on 7/3/06


Darlene--According to the
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition-
Apostate refers to a disloyal person who deserts his religion or party. IMO very few contributers to these blogs qualify.
---Donna2277 on 7/3/06


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Helen 5378, thanks.Good reasoning ,I too have always believed that,but perhaps we should be asking ,why not? It all gets very complicated and the Gospel of Christ should be simple. The Bible even says corrupting(to altar from original version) the simplicity which is in Christ. Christ prayed for the HG for us,simple,God set a way to receive it, is this,don't think they need it, why God's people ignored so many important experiences?
---Darlene_1 on 7/3/06


If there is no revelation that "our struggle is never against flesh and blood" (Ephesians 6:12) then the attention will not be directed to the spiritual but rather to the carnal aspects of Christianity. Not to say that such believers do not love the Lord with all their hearts but without the operation of Spiritual manifestations, the only option remaining is to serve God in the flesh.
---DoryLory on 7/3/06


Darlene - You have got a good point. I think the reason why it is not considered apostate (baptism in the Holy Spirit) is that you do not have to have it to be saved. Although ....
---Helen_5378 on 7/3/06


Donna 2277,thanks I'm just trying to understand all this. If I understand Apostate right it is teaching doctrine contrary to the Word of God. Why then isn't refusing the New Covenant experience of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with tongues and the Gifts of the Spirit for today Apostasy? Why isn't it pointed out like the others if it is? Why wouldn't taking one verse to do away with the Works of HG be Apostasy? Just wondering.
---Darlene_1 on 7/3/06


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Darlene_1-- You have a point. Much as I appreciate CN, I do get tired of the way the "A" word is used on these blogs. People are called apostate if they believe in a pre-trib rapture.. or if they don't. Worship on Sunday? Apostasy!. Same if you observe Saturday. Whether you speak in tongues or not, you'll wear the dreaded A. the "Great Falling Away" is upon us, but many doctrinal differences are just that, DIFFERENCES, not apostasy. Neither my church nor yours is always error free.
---Donna2277 on 7/3/06


Sometimes when I leave church, I feel like I've been punched in the gut by the sermon. Those are the times when I know I'm where I'm supposed to be!

Many don't want to hear the truth. As has been said to many ministers, "you've stopped preaching and gone to meddling." God bless those strong preachers!
---NV_Barbara on 7/3/06


PS, thats why they crucified our lord , cause they rejected the truth.And jesus told us that they rejected him so they will reject you also. But take heart and persivere to the end.thank God for his son, and thank jesus that he willingly laid down his life for me. PRAISE GOD.
---tom2 on 7/2/06


rev herb, AMEN. But alas it a sign of the times . And men will listen for what their ears desire to hear and the love of many will wax cold.
---tom2 on 7/2/06


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Helen, personal accountability within the church has all but disappeared.following our lord in spirit and truth has become secondary to materializm,and personal gratification of the flesh.Big money,big cars,big homes,big pensions,big portfolios,big vacations.look at the movies we watch. its pitiful.
---tom2 on 7/2/06


A pastor ran into a person who hadn't been in church for a while. He said, "We missed you at church lately" She said, Oh, I'm going to another church now". He said, "Why". She said, "Because you preach to hard on sin."

Do you go to an ear tickeling church because you can't handle the truth?
---Rev_Herb on 7/2/06


2Ti3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Looks to me like we are to warn people. The only reason people don't want to be warned is because they are living in sin.
---Rev_Herb on 7/2/06


amen helen,the spiritual life walk,accountability in ones mind about all things to God and loving all people.its a personal decision so many say one thing and live a totally different way, and at times I,am as guilty as them.3 children 18 grandchildren, and 3 ministers in the family 19 people all saved makes it a bit easier to walk right .we try to keep each other accountable.
---tom2 on 7/2/06


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