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How To Regard Pollution

How should we regard the pollution issue? Should we care about our neighbors or say God is going to destroy the planet anyway?

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The pollution issue is a direct result of man. Mans desire for faster transportaion,more comfort,overpopulation,more and more products that require hazardous processes to manufacture.more cars,more trucks,more of all thge things that contaminate our planet.ANd in the third world countries no laws even today to protect the planet.A great cause ,but I have one that to me is more important, THATS ALL i,AMM,SAYING ALAN.
---tom2 on 7/17/07


Lez - God will destroy the earth. 2 Peter 3:10 says "...the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up". Revelation 21:1 "..a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away...".
---Helen_5378 on 1/4/07


God will not destroy earth. He will resurrect all -righteous and wicked and teach everyone the Truth . And all will obey. Man will then use this information to transform earth into a paradise
---Lez on 1/4/07


O.K. Tom --I did agree with you about black lung--but don't agree with you otherwise, historically or spiritually.. My father was born in 1899..saw in person much that you talk about, so I was going mainly by things he told me about the times.. However, it's not important enough to me to continue the discussion.
---Donna2277 on 7/11/06


I believe that causing pollution is sin.now the pharisee sinned and didn,t realize it, and just as they will give an account so will those in the past that weren,t aware they were polluting will give an account to jesus for the works done in the body.just because they weren,t aware doesn,t make them innocent,just as it didn,t make the pharisee innocent. sin is sin and will be dealt with by God.
---tom2 on 7/10/06




Donna,just because people didn,t know doesn,t make them unaccountable.many have suggested that pollution is a sin against man,and the earth that God made. If so they will be accountable at the judgement seat.subtitle will be deeds done in the body.whether they knew or not its still sin and they will have to give an account.
---tom2 on 7/10/06


Donna I totally disagre with you, people are responsible whether they are aware or not. that how it works.the excuse of well I just didn,t know ,or we just didn,t know has been so blaintently used over history that people actually beleive that ignorance is an excuse.in the law it isn,t.and actually it shouldn,t be in anything else. MAybe then people would think before they do something that might be harmful to another human.
---tom2 on 7/10/06


Donna, does coal dust normally float around in the air everywhere, is it a natural part of the enviroment??is the hydrcarbons from burning the fossil fuels natural.is all the differenr chemical natural?? no man made.ignorance is no excuse. men like carnegie who started steel production didn,t care,neither did dupont when they started their chemical empire. all they wanted was to make money.as I said make toxic chemical and then say I didn,t know they were harmful. Oh yea and the cow jumped over the moon.
---tom2 on 7/10/06


DONNA, Coal miners suffer from black lung up to fifty years ago the mine owners didn,t realize that breathing coal dust was harmful. PLEASE they knew they just didn,t care enough about their employees to protect them. today they spray the surfaces to hold the coal dust down. why? because it law. and its sorta like the cigareete companies , deny,deny,deny.people knew they just didn,t care.
---tom2 on 7/10/06


Donna, I am sorry dear but your wrong.at the begining of the last century people would dump toxic waste at refineries and chemical plants right onto tne ground. Then for some unknown reason nothing would grow from that soil ever again??? do you have to be a rocket scientist to figure out its the stuff you poured into the grond?? no just some common sense I poured it there and nothings growing , must be something in their that kills plant life.
---tom2 on 7/10/06




Tom2--"when you first light up it usually makes you dizzy or sick feeling, what is your body telling you??it ain't man this won't hurt you keep puffing I want more."

I started smoking in the mid 50's. We didn't listen to our bodies. The dizziness passes as your lungs get used to the smoke. We just thought we looked sophisticated because all the Hollywood actors and actresses smoked in the movies. In the 70's, when the dangers of smoking began to be publicized, I quit.
---Donna2277 on 7/10/06


Tom ... you have agreed with me right from the start that pollution is caused by man's sin. I have no need to say any more.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/10/06


Tom--I never said smoking isn't harmful, just that people didn't always CONSIDER it so. Our view of the past is 20/20. Even during WWII, all GI's got a pack of cigarettes in with their C rations. That doesn't happen now, because we understand the dangers of smoking. WE have NO excuse for allowing pollution to continue. I just don't feel that past generations should be held responsible for what they didn't know or for not preventing what they had no way of anticipating.
---Donna2277 on 7/10/06


As do I Helen
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/9/06


2. In life many have given their lives to protecting the invoroment and others to save the whales, people's heart go out with love for many things, but its when your life is given on behalf of our Lord that matters most of all. No one condemns the ones that help but our priorty is to follow Christ and His teachings to preach the Gospel. If we can preach and help at the same time, that is wonderful. Peace to all on this wonderful Lord's day. Prayers for Madison's surgery on Wed. please.
---Lupe2618 on 7/9/06


I give to a child in Costa Rica through World Vision. I know myself that I cannot help all of them. I do what I do because it touched me to see so much hunger for children. Though my heart was for helping in some way, my purpose is to teach God's word to the lost. We cannot stop what is happening no matter how much is said or how much we do. Our hearts are for many, but our goal is Christ and the bringing of souls to Christ.
---Lupe2618 on 7/9/06


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Alan, what in the world does pollution have to do with feeding starving children????my statement was to see if any enviromentalist help needy starving children . or if they think of peoples needs before the planets welfare.Friend you apparently love God ,and people.But your obscession with the enviroment is beyond me I really don,t care to discuss it with you anymore.pollution may kill us all physically,but dying without jesus is spiritual death forever.thats more important to me than a dirty planet.
---tom2 on 7/9/06


In some countries that are extremely poor, for example Africa, they do not even have a pollution issue there because they do not have all the westernized things like cars, trucks etc. Even if there were a pollution problem I am sure that those people would have food and drink on their minds way above anything else. To be spending money on pollution is wrong when it can be spent on food, water and clothing for the extremely poor that would otherwise die of starvation.
---Helen_5378 on 7/9/06


Alan - I lay this environment issue down. You go ahead and do your thing for the environment and enjoy ok. As for me and my house we will serve the Lord.
---Helen_5378 on 7/9/06


Helen "We must come back to the Cross" Indeed, and to Jesus. When Jesus went to the cross, that did not nullify all the things He had said and done beforehand. And He said Love your neighbour, and He said feed the hungry and clothe the naked etc. Those still apply, and a part of that is, as we now realise, looking after the environment.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/9/06


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Tom ... you ask "Are we willing to give 10 dollars a month to save a childs life in a third world country?" You sound as if you think the answer should be "yes" But if that is the case, why do you object so much to trying to reduce the pollution that makes it difficult for that child's parents to feed him?
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/9/06


Part 3.
Reading here some responses that amount to having an "I don't care" attitude makes me wonder... How would God regard us when we neglected the habitation that He has given us? Do you think He still would say: "well done my good and faithful servant!"
---Bebet3754 on 7/9/06


Part 2.
Since man is the one "throwing garbage or waste product" unto his immediate surroundings, then man is the one polluting his own environment. It is not only caring for our neighbors that we must think of. We have to care for ourselves too. As Christians, we are very keen on cleanliness. "Cleanliness is next to Godliness!" Where is Godliness when we are wallowing on our own dirt? How effective would our message be?
---Bebet3754 on 7/9/06


Part 1.
Nature has a way of "cleaning itself". Throwing liquid garbage on a river makes the water dirty yet the river can clean itself. If the waste product is not much, then water far downstream could still be clean. Pollution is felt when nature can no longer "process the waste product" that man "threw" unto his surroundings. Clean water from a river is impossible to have if every one living in the community dumps all their refuse on a river.
---Bebet3754 on 7/9/06


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helen, I thank you for your last post ,my point exactly.
---tom2 on 7/8/06


Alan, personal attack????twice in your posts you have apoligized to me for disagrreements which you thought were me that were someone else.And actually friend I have never attacked you only your passion, and the only attack was that I don,t share it.I surely agree the planet needs saving, JUST AIN,T INTERESTED IN DOING IT to the degree that you are.
---tom2 on 7/8/06


Donna,pipe smoking was considered harmless, all smokimg was.but the problem is everyone knows now and they should have know then..long time smokers then thought they had consumption.when you first light up it usually makes you dizzy or sick feeling, what is your body telling you??it ain,t man this won,t hurt you keep puffing I want more. NO its the axact opposite.not having the knowlrdge about harmful affects dont make anything less harmful.
---tom2 on 7/8/06


Can't one have a concern for both the environment and lost souls?

As to earth's destruction, the description in 2nd Peter sounds like something other than a result of environmental pollution. I always took this to mean either nuclear warfare or perhaps a collision with an asteroid or something similar. Maybe it will be an act of God that we would not understand. In any case we will have a new Heaven and new earth.
---Donna2277 on 7/8/06


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Alan, I understand exactly what you are saying. I just do not agree that is all. The salvation of souls must ever be the number one priority over all, even to ignoring the planet. There is absolutely no point in trying to do something to the planet while souls are lost and dying and going to hell. We must come back to the Cross.
---Helen_5378 on 7/8/06


Jack - God's Word clearly states that He is going to destroy the planet. 2 Peter 3:10 "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up".
---Helen_5378 on 7/8/06


Nowhere does the Bible say that God is going to destroy the planet.

Revelation makes it clear that all nature will be RENEWED. "Behold, I make all things new," does not mean, "Behold, I make all new things."

As your mother taught you, if you make a mess, clean it up.
---Jack on 7/8/06


Hi Helen, Sure, I would say Genisis 1, 26-28 that God was saying for us to take care of this earth. He gave us dominion over it, told us to replenish it, take care of it. bless you, sue
---sue on 7/8/06


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Helen, our neighbours live in the environment, they drink the water that the rains create, they feed from the land that the rain falls on, they breathe the air.
How can we love or neighbours, or feed the hungry, unless we look after the environment?
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/8/06


Tom2 With all you say, I still do not understand why you attack me for trying to do something about pollution at the same time as saving souls.
It was only Lupe who suggested that I would do this rather than witnessing.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/8/06


The pit that still burns outside the city of Jerusalem has been there at least 2000 yrs. It's called Gehenna.
---Donna2277 on 7/8/06


Tom, OSHA is recent history (1971). I disagree that "everyone has known for 100's of years that when you burn something toxins were emitted." Smoking.. pipe, cigar cigarette, was considered harmless in the early 1900's. It was even thought to be a possible prevention for "consumption" (TB)which was rampant. Otherwise, airborne "toxins" were unrecognized if they could not be seen or smelled. "Black lung disease" in miners was known early, but it was not due to smoke.
---Donna2277 on 7/7/06


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Sue - Could you please tell me where it is in Scripture that God commands us to care for the environment. Thanks.
---Helen_5378 on 7/7/06


the city of jeraselum had a big pit right outside the city to burn bodies ,How enviromentally friendly was that?? this subject is getting to me. save the world if thats your thing folks I hope you succed , but as for me I save souls and serve .then I work on other things.
---tom2 on 7/7/06


I agree ,thats the far sightedness of the flesh.first and foremost will it make money,aka a profit??look at business plans most don,t consider envirimant. and many that do only do because in this country they are required by federal law.T he vast majority will not do the right thing unless forced to..AND dear everyone has known for 100s of years when you burn something toxins are emitted. they knew they just didn,t care, and more important they weren,t required by law to care.
---tom2 on 7/7/06


Donna, the men that worked inside the mills were always having health problems from the fumes, the owners knew it was bad they just either didn,t realize the magnitude of toxins that would be put into the atmosphere, and I also believe they didn,t care much either. Cause according to my familys history they didn,t do much until osha stepped in to make safe and healthy work places.THEY KNEW they just didn,t want to spend the money to make it safe.
---tom2 on 7/7/06


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Not judging Helen, just observing.
---NV_Barbara on 7/7/06


What about the fact that God commandment is to care for our enviroment?
---sue on 7/7/06


#2 Tom2--What I said about cars pretty much applies to industry too. Everbody saw that factories(using mostly used coal and steam power)produced clouds of dirty smoke. But the smoke "blew away". It made city buildings dirty, but otherwise, what you couldn't see or smell in the air wasn't there. Even smoking tobacco wasn't considered considered unhealthy. How could they have imagined that one day the air itself could be dirty and make people sick?
---Donna2277 on 7/7/06


Tom2--Sure, nobody thought about pollution for the first 50 yrs of automobile travel! Why would they? There were NOT thousands of cars and trucks on 4 to 6 lane highways...they couldn't have imagined such a thing. They could see nothing in the air (except dust from dirt roads). The term "air pollution" didn't exist. Even I can remember when there was seldom more than 1 car per family and many people rode the "Streetcar" (run by electricity) as their primary means of transportation.
---Donna2277 on 7/7/06


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I am in total agreement with Tom2. The most important thing that we can live for as Christians is to tell others about Jesus and His Sacrifice of Himself on the Cross for their sins, and to provide food for the hungry. Things that are not spiritual, like the environment, will pass away, and there is no reward in that.
---Helen_5378 on 7/6/06


NV Barbara - Those are very rough words. We are supposed to love one another, and that means not only those we already know but the stranger and the newcomer too. Who is judging?
---Helen_5378 on 7/6/06


Alan8869ofUK - Excuse me but I did not say that you are a liar or even infer that -- if you think so then you have totally misread me. I simply said that the ozone/greenies thing is a lie, and I am not the only one here who thinks so.
---Helen_5378 on 7/6/06


Alan of UK-- Just a few observations...don't hear much about acid rain in the U.S. now. It's no longer considered a big problem. The lakes and rivers are "improving" with less toxic types of fertilizers used by farmers. We STILL have a long way to go, however. I lived in LA for a while some yrs. ago and didn't realize for months that the place is surrounded by mountains..that's how bad it was, and probably still is. The topography in some areas with mountains etc. tends to trap polluted air.
---Donna2277 on 7/6/06


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Bruce-- I re-read my last post (written at 1 AM...I definatly wasn't too sharp) I was referring to Wesley Harris, but I worded it wrong. I didn't mean to say he doesn't believe in the "hole", but rather that he doesn't believe it's much of a CRISIS. I heard this on a radio commentary about Al Gore's movie, "An Inconvenient Truth" and I'm now trying to trace it back to the source.
---Donna2277 on 7/6/06


Alan, jesus said Greater love hath no man than he give up his life for his fellow man .what are we willing to give up?? are we willing to give up our pride,our flesh,our unspiritual thinking??Are we willing to give 10 dollars a month to save a childs life in a third world country?are we willing to discuss the truth?? the spiritual truth of the issues of existance as a sinful human being??not debate over issues that ultimatley save nothing spiritual.only address the comfort or discomfort of the flesh??
---tom2 on 7/6/06


Alan, Ihave seen and live alot in this life.and getting rather old now.One thing I have finally realized. nothing else in this life matters except that you have jesus in your heart,that you know the truth, and that you live the truth thru him, because only in christ will you ever have peace. and only in christ will you realize what or how important spiritual truth is to a dying world.question about whether jesus was an alien,or even God forbid enviromental really don,t mean much to me.
---tom2 on 7/6/06


Alan there are millions of people fighting daily just to survive in this world. While we in the industrialized countries gripe and complain that our lives aren,t comfortable enough.we complain about our neighbor and what he has that we don,t,we bebate doctrine and bash one another,and all the time these peopleare dying without jesus, and you want to talk to me about the enviroment???
---tom2 on 7/6/06


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Helen, whoa, just WHO has their back up? It isn't Alan! Obviously you've not been on the blogs long enough to understand Alan's love for the Lord. Don't be so quick to judge.

I'm not a 'tree hugger' but I respect the earth that God gave us to tend to.
Would you prefer living in a trash dump, move to the belly of India.
---NV_Barbara on 7/6/06


Sorry I had to take a breAk. These people I speak of have NOTHING nothing of this world to give comfort to their flesh. No elEctric switches, no water,no food,NOTHING. all I could give them was hope and temporary relief for their flesh.thats why saving souls is important more important than enviroment.most were facing death every day of their lives.all I HAD TO GIVE WAS THE LOVE OF JESUS.tHE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE THRU OUR LORD.
---tom2 on 7/6/06


part 3 now people here and england and other countries not so aflicted may worry about gas prices,electric bills,price of a steak,what their neighbor is saying about them,who they can disagree with in their local church,who they can talk about in their local church,whether their wardrobe is up to date,and even the enviroment. but friend I seen to much to worry about or even consider such issues.winning souls before it,s to late became a way of life for me, nothing else matters .
---tom2 on 7/6/06


part 2. How daily living becomes an overwhelming task.children dying by the 100s everyday.scrounging for enough to just pain some pain go away,and many who no longer feel the pain because as they say they have become numb.
---tom2 on 7/6/06


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Alan, let me try to explain to you .This may take several posts so I hope they show up??I have been all over this world on a in numberal amount of mission trips.I personally have seen suffering and misery beyond human conception.Children dying ,swelled up from disease,or lack of food,and water.I have seen the utter misery in their parents eyes.The sense of futileness in their inability to give relief to their children.
---tom2 on 7/6/06


alan, I think you better read my posts I never said worying about the enviroment was un christian.what I may have said was jesus told us not to worry about anything.OF A PHYSICAL NATYURE.Don,t worry about what you ahve to eat,or what clothes you ahve to wear.NEVER said a word about being unchristian like to worry about enviroment .you ain,t suppose to worry about anything.That includes the enviroment.
---tom2 on 7/6/06


personally speaking,since most manufatureres in the us have left for fertile ground ,where there ain,t no laws against destroying the enviroment,and considering how much fossil fuels are being burn,t in ,and literally a amount of coal in china that would stagger the mind,and chemical plants popping up all over India and the far east. I believe its a lost cause . why?cause man will never see enviroment over profit.
---tom2 on 7/6/06


did you read my post about the entrepenaurs of the past, how they had no concern for the enviroment???we had cars for 50 years before anybody gave a thought to what burning gas did ti our lungs,and there are dozen of other inventions.design to ease life for the flesh. but never a thought to what they were doing to the earth.Men by nature are still that way.and as I said there leaving this country for ones that have no enviromental laws.
---tom2 on 7/6/06


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Alan, you really need to try and read my posts better.pollution is a product of much more serious issues of the flesh with the world. It is a by product of greed ,mainly.and stingyness in not wanting to spend money to keep the enviroment safe and clean. its a product of sin. and friend sin is never gonna go away.NO greed no stigyness, no sin equals NO POLLUTION.
---tom2 on 7/6/06


Donna,
Are you refering to Wesley L. Harris Departmaent head Aeronautics and Astronautics? If not then who and what evidence do you have that he does not belive a hole in the ozone layer?
---Bruce5656 on 7/6/06


Helen, I agree that to worship nature is equal to idolatry, but to care for our environment, as commanded by God, is obedience to God.
luv,sue
---sue on 7/6/06


Helen ... you call me a liar? I have lived through the smog in London that killed dozens. Bhopal ... lies? Asbestosis ... lies? Cancer .... lies?
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/5/06


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Helen-- I agree about the "hole in the sky" thing. I think it's mostly propaganda by those who want "globalization" of everything, with the goal of an eventual 1 world gov. (ruled by the antichrist)
People will tell you, "Well, it's pretty much universally accepted by scientists". But the head of the Aerospace Dept at MIT doesn't accept it. IMO it's pretty much universally accepted by POLITICIANS.
---Donna2277 on 7/5/06


Alan - That's right, you said it -- lies. You have only got your back up against what I said because the issue matters to you very much. Well how much does Jesus matter to you?
---Helen_5378 on 7/5/06


Sue - I truly do not care about all the pollution and ozone layer Greenies stuff ok. The salvation of souls is the most important thing of all on this earth, and therefore preaching Jesus Christ and Him crucified. The whole thing is a lie --- I can still breathe. As I said below, if it really mattered to God He would have put it in His Word.
---Helen_5378 on 7/5/06


Tom ... I have to apologise, it was not you that suggested that the pollution issue was a lie ... it was Helen.
Helen ... do you deny Bhopal, the poison in the rivers and lakes of the US, acid rain in many other parts of the world (much reduced in Europe by control of factory emission ... so we can do something about it) & the smog in LA (we had killer smog in UK industrial heartland and London, until we controlled emissions)
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/5/06


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Tom ... Yours 7/5, I agree with everything you say there, and all that you have said before about the cause of pollution, and about the main job being saving souls. What have I said to make you think otherwise.
But why do you seem to say that it is wrong to have concern about the environment is unChristian? Why is it wrong to try to put right the result of those sins of greed?
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/5/06


Alan, sin causes it,people flesh their need for a better life,and more power and money,more material possessions.their neglect of their fellow man, and his needs.Look AT the cigarette makers for decades they denied smoking was dangerous. Inter office memos showed that to be a lie,but BIG money was involved, so a decision was made to lie,when anybody with a lick of sense knew better.
---tom2 on 7/5/06


Helen, Dont you want the earth to be healthy, if not for you then for your children or grandchildren? I mean, that is of course if the 'end of the world' didn't happen by then.
luv,
sue
---sue on 7/5/06


ahelen ... why the hostilie way of talking to me? Why say "your precious planet" in such a way. Is it not your planet too?
Do you disbelieve the pollution of rivers in the US? Do you disbelieve the pollution of the seas? Do you disbelieve Bhopal? Do you disbelieve the smog of LA?
All LIES created by atheists?
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/5/06


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I'm sorry Tom if I misunderstood what you were saying when you said you did not care about what pollution was doing to the world.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/5/06


Think "Global Warning" (the dire predictions)are over blown.I hate it that schools scare little kids with all the "crises". Teach them about re-cycling, energy resources and conserving energy at home--common sense. I grew up in a true wilderness area...think most "environmentalists" are urbanites with scant first hand knowledge of wildlife. Their theories of forest management INCREASE fire danger and pollution. Nature must be respected, but it's not as FRAGILE as some think.
---Donna2277 on 7/5/06


Modern man since the mid 1800s is resposible for most of the worlds pollution problems,with the industrial revolution,came steel mills then cars ,then planes,then plastics and aluminum,and all sorts of products.Then as the population grew and grew it just multiplied the problem.NOW throw in all the greed and other fleshly issues and you see a portrait of a polluted planet caused by mans desire for wealth and power,without a thought to a envirmentally safe product.
---tom2 on 7/4/06


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