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Are Mormons Going To Heaven

If you are Mormon and you got saved, will you still go to heaven even though you don't belive that its that easy?

Moderator - Mormons serve a different god than the God of the Bible, therefore they aren't saved to start with.

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Heavenly Father, Elohim, referred to by the title God. He is called the Father because he is the father of our spirits (Mal. 2:10; Num. 16:22; 27:16; Matt. 6:9; Eph. 4:6; Heb. 12:9). God the Father is the supreme ruler of the universe. He is all powerful (Gen. 18:14), all knowing (Matt. 6:8), everywhere present through his Spirit (Ps. 139:712). Mankind has a special relationship to God that sets man apart from all other created things: men and women are God's spirit children (Ps. 82:6; 1 Jn. 3:13).
---Robert on 5/3/08


Mima: false prophets will deceive millions in the last days. if you are referring to any evangelist on television or leading a mega church, I rest my case. they are no more prophets of God than you are. NO man taketh this honor unto himself, but he that is called of God as was Aaron, by the laying on of hands. only Jesus Christ himself or one of his apostles, Peter, James, John have that authority, NOT another man. if they appeared to him, I want to know when and where.
---Lori on 8/15/07


Mimi: men can say anything they like. as the demon said in the bible, Jesus I know, Paul I know, but who are you. He had no authority to act in God's name and he was badly beaten. many men may try to deceive other people, but Satan knows who has authority over him and who doesn't. you may try to deny that, but why would you deny the very bible you are following. if you want to follow man, go ahead, but never speak against others who read the same bible. we are to love others as ourself. start showing it.
---Lori on 8/15/07


when did everyone here become Jesus Christ? That is like you telling NASA how to build rockets to the moon. You don't have a clue, but you love to hear yourselves talk. Even Jesus Christ doesn't know whose name is in the book of life. what a blatant show of arrogance and pride displayed here. what makes you think you will return to God's kingdom. ONE sin will see you cast out forever, if you don't repent. people wonder why others don't listen to a word they say. their example is deafening.
---Lori on 8/14/07


A very famous modern-day prophet was ask by the Mormon elders if he could see Joseph Smith,yes he said I see him he is standing by satan.
---Mima on 8/14/07




Par 2: Sins beyond Christ's atonement



31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

(New Testament | Matthew 12:31)

29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

(New Testament | Mark 3:29 - 30)
---Robert on 8/14/07


They might be goin'
But they won't be stayin'
Unless they turn to the real Jesus Christ
And start doing some real prayin'
---Bubas on 10/24/06


I was approached by 2 young Mormon men & was shocked at what they believe. They told me Jesus was just a prophet and that God is physical like we are. When I asked them how they knew that, they said they asked the Holy Spirit. I said they must have asked Satan, and that I would pray for them that God would open their spiritual eyes to the truth.
---Marilyn on 10/23/06


MikeM: If the Book of Mormon is the most correct of any book on earth, as Joseph Smith said, why does it contain over 4000 changes from the original 1830 edition?
---anonymous on 10/22/06


Mike M./ You say you want to study scripture, but you study with Mormons, whose president, Gordon B. Hinckley wrote,this about the Bible and claiming it has errors (I found this on christian answers website) "Latter-day Saints recognize that errors have crept into this sacred work because of the manner in which the book has come to us. Moreover, they regard it as not being complete as a guide" (Hinckley, What of the Mormons?, 26).
---Monte on 10/22/06




Mike M./ You say you want to study scripture, but you study with Mormons, whose president, Gordon B. Hinckley wrote,this about the Bible and claiming it has errors (I found this on christian answers website) "Latter-day Saints recognize that errors have crept into this sacred work because of the manner in which the book has come to us. Moreover, they regard it as not being complete as a guide" (Hinckley, What of the Mormons?, 26).
---Monte on 10/22/06


MikeM Thanks for the compliment!

Coming from you, I'll take that compliment.

Rest assured that there are lots of people here praying for you here. Some of us here are even fundamentalists! 8-P
---JohnT on 10/21/06


Monte; I know a lot of ex-fundamentalist. In fact there is a group called 'fundamentalist anonymous." One can always find disgruntled members of any faith who move to something else.

To learn about Jesus, I will 'begin' with scripture. I will personally study with whom I choose. The majority believing a certain way-group consensis, has no relation to its being the truth.
---MikeM on 10/21/06


And MikeM...if I want to know about Christ, I don't study with Hindus, Buddhas, or Mormons. I study with Christians, or those who have been part of other groups and have discovered those groups lies and found truth in Christ. I suggest you read what some ex-Mormons have said about Mormonism!
---Monte on 10/21/06


I am currently studing with the Mormons. I will not go to a Buddhist, Hindu, or Fundamentalist to learn about Mormon beliefs. Most of what I here is old-fashioned religious bigotry. Passion with no substance. I will admit sam and JohnT have brought some very valid points thet demand a rational person must find the answer to.
---MikeM on 10/20/06


Pat it is NEVER wise to lay hands on a demonized person.

Nor is it ever wise to exorcize a person against their own will. The strongholds can never be broken without the will of the person being involved, or else 7 more, stronger demons will return to the "cleaned house"
---John_T on 10/20/06


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Mima did you lay hands on the girl and cast the evil spirits out of her?
---Pat on 10/18/06


Years ago my son brought a girl to dinner at my house. I asked her do you believe the story about Joseph Smith? Yes, she said I do. I then turned to my son and said the answer is "no" this person had been miss lead. I tried to witness to her but she refused to hear anything. Judge this statement as concerns my actions.
---mima on 10/17/06


Mormon "salvation" isn't the same as Biblical salvation.
---Kay on 10/17/06


I agree with Sam. Its too late for the dead to accept Christ. People aren't saved by being baptized (although Jesus commands us to be baptized after we are saved). They are saved by confessing Jesus Christ as their savior, and if you are dead, then obviously you can't speak this confession.
---Elmer on 10/17/06


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When I read the moderator's answer, my heart sinks. That sums it up.
---Rachel^^^ on 10/16/06


From Doctrines and Coventants #127
Mormons falsely believe you can baptize the dead!

"5 And again, I give unto you a word in relation to the abaptism for your dead...."-Joseph Smith

This shows how deceived they are about Heaven and hell. Once you are dead, it is too late!
---sam on 10/16/06


wivv, you are right, "The ONLY requirement to gain access to heaven is accepting Christ as a personal Savior." ...but this is true as long as the Christ you are accepting is the one from the Holy Bible. The Christ from the Book of Mormon is not the same person. He is ficticious, otherwise we would have read these accounts in the Holy Bible. You have to put your trust in the real deal, or you are believing lies and are deceived.
---tofurabby on 8/9/06


If you "got saved", you're no longer a mormon. I renounced mormonism over 20 years ago. I got saved in a bible book store with a strong Christian woman. We remain prayer partners to this day, live in different towns. If you are saved, you will never step foot in a mormon church ever again. You will renounce the doctrine of demons and false prophets.
---Rachel on 8/9/06


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The ONLY requirment to gain access to heavan is accepting Christ as a personal Savior. (A few years ago, many "Christians" had the idea you wouldn't find catholics in heaven - that's changed.) It' best not to generalize.
---wivv on 8/7/06


So Robert, you showed a couple scriptures on capital punishment that seem to parallel the Bible. So if BOM and the Bible were the same, why would you need both? The problem is they are not the same on most issues! I think the BOM is full of something, but it is not full of God's word!
---Freeman on 7/26/06


Now the book of mormon is a completely different story. This phony doctrine has been modified(Up to 5,000 times by some scholars accounts). Nothing that is divinely inspired requires change. Originaly the mormons were polygamists, that got changed, they were not to drink caffine that got changed, blacks were not allowed in their congregations that was changed. The modifications made to the book of mormon are proof that it is a fraud.
---Ryan on 7/26/06


The Bible is perfect. It is the eternal word of God. Nothing has ever been changed in the Bible, it is complete.
---Ryan on 7/26/06


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Robert what do you mean "The BIBLE is not complete and 66 is not a magical number." Are you Mormons going to claim to "add another testament"? What is next? :The book of Mormon...another testament of the Apostle Paul?" Where do you stop with the foolishness?
---Elroy on 7/26/06


Contradictions in Bible and Mormon
Mormons believe in eternal marriages-Luke 20: 34-36 - Neither marry nor given in marriage - children of God
Mormons baptize the dead-Bible says it is too late when you die!
Mormons research eternal marriage genealogy- 1 Timothy 1:4 - Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies
Titus 3:9 - Avoid foolish questions and genealogies
Mormons have many high priests..in Christianity Christ is the only high priest Heb 9:6-12;5:9-10,7:11-17,7:24-27
---dan on 7/26/06


Robert...please show BIBLICAL scripture that supports your statment "the bible is not complete..".
---dan on 7/26/06


Angels can't resurrect people

Correct Kathr, angels are lesser than God and only God can resurrect people, and this is one of the reasons we know Jesus to be God. By the power of God He was resurrected in a body of "flesh and bone" which he showed to the apostles thereafter.
---Robert on 7/26/06


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Comparing Mormons to Satanists: What's in a name...the irony!
"The Pastor of the First Satanic church and the author of the Satanic Bible , Anton Lavey, wrote in the book under internal gods one of them is listed as Mormo, which is the God of the living dead, and the king of the Gouls. The followers of Mormo, are called Mormons"- THE REALITY OF SATAN PART IV THE DANGERS OF THE OCCULT Rev. Chris Todd, Calvary FWB Church, Georgetown, SC
---dan on 7/26/06


Comparing Mormons to Satanists: we are the only church:
The Church of Satan does not recognize any other organizations as holding legitimate claim to Satanism and its practice..."--from Wikopdia.
Joseph Smith proclaimed that God Himself had designated the LDS Church as "the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth" (Doc. & Cov. Sec. 1:30).
**Christians recognize other christian denominations.
---dan on 7/26/06


Comparing Mormons to Satanists: Satanic rituals
SATANIC RITUALS
From Salt Lake City Messanger, Issue 81, March 1992: Satnic rituals in Mormon church among even choir members,priests and temple workers, as noted in a secret memo on 7/19/90 from Glenn Pace to the "Strengthening Church Members Committee" of the Mormon church. Also confirmed by 2nd source (James Coates article, Chicago Tribune, Nov. 3, 1991)
---dan on 7/26/06


Comparing Mormons to Satanists:becoming gods
Journal of Discourses Vol. 6 Page 4, 1844. Joseph Smith speaking: "...you have to learn to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you, - namely, by going from one small degree to another..."
Who is Satan?, By Vexen Crabtree 2000 Jan 01, "Satanism is Satanism not due to our worship of any deity, but for the philosophy that we stand for. We recognize ourselves as gods"
---dan on 7/26/06


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I agree with moderator...they serve a different god, or rather gods. Mormons beliefs are more parallel to the church of satan than they are to the church of Christ. Here are some comparisons:
---dan on 7/26/06


Consistency continued

Ezra 7:26 judgment be executed ... whether it be unto death
Esth. 4:11 there is one law of his to put him to death
Matt. 15:4 curseth father or mother, let him die
Rom. 1:32 they which commit such things are worthy of death
2 Ne. 9:35 murderer who deliberately killeth, for he shall surely die
Alma 1:14 thou art condemned to die, according to the law
Alma 1:18 (30:10; 34:12) he that murdered was punished unto death

(Capital Punishment)
---Robert on 7/26/06


Ethan: re 66 Books.

There are many referances here to not adding nor taking from the BIBLE.

When the Bible books were originally pulled together they had more than 66 books. The KJV was 80 books long.

In 1792, 14 of those books were REMOVED.

This left 66 books.

Thus, the 66 books emerged due to man tampering with the BIBLE.

Robert Aitken, the 1792 publisher of that Aitken BIBLE is on my family tree.

The BIBLE is not complete and 66 is not a magical number.
---Robert on 7/26/06


Frank,

You are sadly mistaken. Those are NOT the requirements to get to Heaven.
---Crystal on 7/26/06


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On what grounds do mormons believe they will be resurrected, if they believe in the resurrection? Is it true Mormons believe Jesus was Satan's brother? Satan is an angel..but Hebrews tells us that Jesus was not an angel. Angels can't resurrect people. Salvation is looking forward to the resurrection. Just another way of looking at this. Hebrews 1 tells us why Jesus is who He is, why he took on the form of man. How He tasted death for us so that we may have life in Him. Just a short version.
---kathr4453 on 7/26/06


Yes Robert you are right the bible does mean books 66 of them to be exact. The OT foretells the NT, but where in the NT does it foretell specifically the events of the Book of Mormom. I am so sorry Robert, but the books in the bible is all there is and all there ever will be.
Every Word of God is a Flawless..Do not add to his words or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar Prov 30:5-6
---Ethan on 7/26/06


johnesha,

Sorry we got off track there.

In answer to your question: I agree with the Moderator and Crystal.
---Tbabe on 7/25/06


If they were good people, followed the 10 commandments, and tried to spread love and kindness through their world, surely they will go to heaven.

teach love
---frank_cos on 7/25/06


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Bible warns that nothing is to be added to it. (see Duet 4.2 and Rev 22:18)

Dear Ethan, the quotes you have so perfectly mentioned tell the world not to add to Deuteronomy or Revelation.

This is common sense, because there was no Bible when the Books were written. The WORD Bible, literally means BOOKS.

If the Deuteronomy text meant what you claim, there would have been no Book of Joshua, and certainly no Book of Revelation.

God bless you for helping us make that honest point.
---Robert on 7/25/06


If you were a Mormon and you got saved, you would denounce the false teachings of the LDS and embrace the God of the Bible. Then you would go to Heaven like others who repent and are reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, the Son.
---Crystal on 7/25/06


Ethan the book of Mormon is another testament of ANOTHER Jesus! It is not a testament of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
---dan on 7/25/06


The Bible contains two scriptures one in the OT concerning the Law and one in NT concerning the whole cannon of scripture. In both of these scriptures there is a stern command not to add any other words to the whole counsel of God. So that being said how does the Book of Mormon stand up as another Testament of Jesus Christ when the Bible so clearly warns that nothing is to be added to it. (see Duet 4.2 and Rev 22:18)
---Ethan on 7/25/06


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Robert here is what FAMILY BIBLE NOTES says about Psalm 82 you incorrectly interpreted:
Ps 82:1

"The gods; rulers; called gods on account of their having received from God authority to act as his representatives and in his behalf. Ex 22:28"

"the manner in which they employ it. "

Ps 82:6
"Ye are gods; the representatives of God. See note to Ps 82:1;"
---dan on 7/25/06


It's abunantly clear that there IS, HAS BEEN, and ALWAYS WILL BE only ONE GOD!!!!
---Tbabe on 7/25/06


Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. (Isaiah 43:10)
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me (Isaiah 46:9)
Also read Exo 9:14; Deu 33:26; 2Sa 7:22; Isa 46:5 and Jer 10:6.
---Tbabe on 7/25/06


2nd) What do you do with the following passages from scripture???...
Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him. (Deuteronomy 4:35)
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. (Isaiah 44:6)
---Tbabe on 7/25/06


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Please note: The author is refering to the same beings in Psa. 82:5- "They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course."
and 82:7- "But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes."
This passage must be read in it's context.
---Tbabe on 7/25/06


Robert,
1st) The translation of the word "gods" from the KJV in Psa 82:6 is certainly debatable, as the word "elohiym" used in this passage can also be translated to mean rulers, judges, divine ones or angels.
---Tbabe on 7/25/06


why did five of the eight witnesses to the Book of Mormon left the Church. And what caused seven of the original twelve LDS Apostles to leave the Church? "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled." John 17:12
---dan on 7/21/06


Robert: You use a BAD TRANSLATION of one verse to make a WORSE POINT

the particle of similitude, keelohim, "like God." is the way it reads in Hebrew.

Besides, Satan said it first, in the Garden, and Jeus called him "the father of lies".

According to Jesus, not me, all who believe that are followers of the Father of Lies.
---John_T on 7/21/06


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Robert you say "BUT without works, no man enters heaven". You can do all the good works you want, but without accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior, you will not go there. It is through faith in Christ, not by any works of man, that one can go to Heaven.
---dan on 7/21/06


18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

(New Testament | Acts 15:18)
---Robert on 7/21/06


Dan the dreammaker

But there never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds.

Multiple LDS Gods, The Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost.

Multiple LDS gods: everyone who ever lives on earth.

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

(Old Testament | Psalms 82:6)
---Robert on 7/21/06


Great question Tofurabby - I appreciate a decent question.

I am a Scot, our people originated in the area north east of the Holy Land _ see the Declaration of Arbroath.

The Jews (ISRAELITES) were scattered by the Lord, and He promised to gather them home. The vasy majority of people on this forum are descendants of the Israeilites.

The Stone of Destiny _ Scotland's Crowning Stone is Jacob's Pillow.
---Robert on 7/21/06


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1 NOW I, Moroni, after having made an end of abridging the account of the people of Jared, ... and I make not myself known to the Lamanites lest they should destroy me.
2 For behold, their wars are exceedingly fierce among themselves; and because of their hatred they cput to death every Nephite that will not deny the Christ.
3 And I, Moroni, will not deny the Christ; wherefore, I wander whithersoever I can for the safety of mine own life.

(Book of Mormon | Moroni 1:1 - 3)
---Robert on 7/21/06


Moromons believe that if innocent blood is shed that sin can't be covered with the blood of Jesus (Alma 39:5, Doctrines and Covenants 132:27).
---dan on 7/21/06


Here is what Joseph Smith, false prophet says: (cont)
If not, then I do say you do not believe in the true doctrine of the atonement of Christ. This is the doctrine you are pleased to call the 'blood atonement of Brighamism.' This is the doctrine of Christ our Redeemer, who died for us" (Doctrines of Salvation 1:133-4). "
---dan on 7/21/06


Here is what Joseph Smith, false prophet says: (cont) But man may commit certain grievous sinsaccording to his light and knowledgethat will place him beyond the reach of the atoning blood of Christ. If then he would be saved he must make sacrifice of his own life to atoneso far as in his power liesfor that sin, for the blood of Christ alone under certain circumstances will not avail. Do you believe this doctrine?
---dan on 7/21/06


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Here is what Joseph Smith, false prophet says: (cont) Salvation is twofold: Generalthat which comes to all men irrespective of a belief (in this life) in Christand, Individualthat which man merits through his own acts through life and by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.
---dan on 7/21/06


Here is what Joseph Smith, false prophet says:
"Just a word or two now, on the subject of blood atonement. What is that doctrine? Unadulterated, if you please, laying aside the pernicious insinuations and lying charges that have so often been made, it is simply this: Through the atonement of Christ all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.
---dan on 7/21/06


Robert,
You are correct only the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. However Joseph Smith and Bruck McConkle (Mormon prophet), but indicate there is more than one sin that can't be paid for and that a man has to shed his own blood. See my 7/17 post.
---dan on 7/21/06


I put all my reasons Joseph Smith is a false prophet on this blog:
http://christianblogs.christianet.com/1149612319.htm

God tells us to test the spirits, and if what they say doesn't come true, it is not of God, which Joseph Smith obviously isn't.
---dan on 7/21/06


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Robert: According to LDS doictrine, "the final Nephite-Lamanite battle at a Cumorah" and "Moroni transported the hefty Book of Mormon plates (not to mention the entire Nephite library) over two thousand miles to the New York Cumorah."

Therefore the ENTIRE LIBRARY OF PLATES as well as ALL OF THE BODIES are under that hill.

WHERE ARE THE EXCAVATIONS IN PALMAYRA? Wanna see my pictures?
---John_T on 7/21/06


ROBERT:"Traditonal Jesus has no body, and no power to call propehts and apostles."

If Jesus had no body,
What was on the Cross?
Who sweat drops of blood?
Who slept in a boat on a storm-tossed sea?
Who ate and drank with sinners?

If he had no authority on earth, why did he say "Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
(Mt 26:53).
---John_T on 7/21/06


Robert:
"AS MAN IS, GOD ONCE WAS, AS GOD IS, MAN MAY BECOME"

Where in the BIBLE does it say that? Since it is non-biblical, and contradicts the statements from God about himself, THAT STATEMENT IS HEREY
---John_T on 7/21/06


Robert,

1 John 5:5-7 was written in the original text. It was removed later to make it easier to combat oneness teachings (Sabellianism). There is evidence from other writings that date back to as early as 200AD that quote this verse. I can give references for them if you like.
---tofurabby on 7/19/06


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Dont the mormons believe that they are the true Jews? In the end, I guess they will be falling down before the true christians when Christ reveals that we are his true love.

" Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." Rev. 3:9
---tofurabby on 7/19/06


Robert...you can answer my findings on Mormonism. I challenge you to find any scripture in the Bible that refutes these claims.
---dan on 7/19/06


Robert: HUH???

Please stick to the 66 books comprising the Old and New Testaments, and not bring into the discussion books written by someone after 1830.

There is NO WAY THAT STUFF AGREES WITH SCRIPTURE

Clearly what you believe contradicts, not supplants what God wrote.

We can discuss facts, but not testimonies.
Facts take precedence over false, pepperoni pizza-caused feelings.
---John_T on 7/19/06




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