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10,000 Year Old Latin City

We had a speaker, an archeologist from a university come to our school an speak on ancient civilizations. He says an ancient city in south America, TIAHUANCO and other cities were built over 10,000 years ago. This confuses me when the Bible says Adam was here only 6,000 years ago.

Moderator - The speaker is making guesses because nothing over here is more than 4,000 years old.

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people love to speculate here and voice opinions, not facts. man may be here only six thousand years, but you forget that God did not create the world from nothing or out of thin air. He used elements from space and brought them together to form the earth. elements millions of years old creating dating problems today. adam was made from dust, not out of nowhere. eve from his rib. when you understand God used a blueprint for creation, things are easier to understand.
---Lori on 8/14/07


con't. who is to say that ruins were not part of a civilization like our own, before this world was created. we are not the beginning or the end, the same as God is omnipotent, without beginning or end. many worlds have been created and populated the same as ours. it is a closed and finite mind that says we are all there is in a universe spanning zillions of light years. how dare mortals place restrictions on our creator. Jesus said worlds without number have I created.
---Lori on 8/14/07


We actually do not know exactly, even from Scripture, just how old the earth is, although it most likely is around 6,000 years old or just a bit more. Saying anything is a certain age is just guesswork.
---Helen_5378 on 8/14/07


**but remember science does all it can to disprove the bible, but even scientists keep proving themselves WRONG.**

I've never taken a single science course, read a scienetific statement, or met a scientist who was seeking to "disprove the Bible."
---Jack on 8/7/06


The biggest problem with dating in archeology most is done by carbon dating, and we all know now that carbon dating has proven to be VERY inaccurate. Carbon dating proved that a carcass of seal was thousands of years old, but in fact it was only a couple of years old. Try to get a good education, but remember science does all it can to disprove the bible, but even scientists keep proving themselves WRONG. lol
---Dottie on 8/1/06




Moderator; One of the details in Genesis; is 2.4 "..in the DAY (singular, same word" yome" as the other creation days)..God made heaven and earth" Since it encompasses all the days it cannot be 24hrs. How do you co-relate this.... from your personal study? IMHO if day means "period of time" then the 6 periods of time works well with the "period of time" that He made heaven and earth.

Moderator - A day is a day.
---1st_cliff on 7/19/06


Moderator;You answered my queation (how does real science back up creating man and animals in a 24hr.time period)with "just look around you"! Maybe I'm not too bright but just looking around me does not indicate how God made man and animals in 24hrs. What am I missing here?

Moderator - "How God made man" - Read Genesis Chapter 1 for details.
---1st_cliff on 7/19/06


MikeM: Said fundamentalist also said--in real life--that he was not against evolution per se (neither were authorized textbooks in Tennessee at the time), but against its social implications.

INHERIT THE WIND is great drama, but lousy history.
---Jack on 7/17/06


Moderator; That's a real interesting statement and I would be most interested to know what "real science" backs up the creating of all animals and man in a 24 hour?

Moderator - Just look around you.
---1st_cliff on 7/17/06


Geraldo; One of my ancesters, a well known fundamentalist 100 years ago said to Mr. Darrow, "I am more concerned about the rock of ages than the age of rocks."
---MikeM on 7/17/06




Rev Herb; Cute.

Geraldo; also Cute.
Sounds almost like one of my mentors, Mark Twain, heres my addition;

"You know fossils, animal or otherwise are dug up with DEVICES like picks and shovels. No rhetorical DEVICE will make them disappear."
---MikeM on 7/17/06


The science I know tells me UFO's are cultural myths. Without objective evidence, aliens are cultural myth, thats science 101. Only aliens I have seen are at Venice Beach.(local joke) Aliens and the stories around them are modern secularized versions of werewolves, vampires, shape-shifters and such. Someone here is not familier with the basics, such as the scientific method, or they would know UFO's are for fringe conspiracy groups, as mainline science does not delve into such psuedo-science.
---MikeM on 7/17/06


I may have had ancesters swing from trees by there neck, but none swung by there tail.
---Rev_Herb on 7/16/06


Mike M.

If you did come from a rock, three questions.

1, Was the first rock human a man,
2, was the first rock human a woman &
3, When did the rock determine that if you have a female rock and a male rock you get a baby rock, or pebble if you prefer.
---gerardo on 7/16/06


Mike M,
If you believe what science tells you, you must also believe that you have been visited by aliens from outer space. Isn't ironic that there were no UFO sightings in the 15th, 16th or any century up until after the airplane came to be. Before people constantly saw werewolves, vampires, gobblings, etc. Now unless you watch movies of that sort you don't hear of them. Now it is UFO's, Who knows what the next deception from Satan will be but if you don't trust Jesus, you will again be deceived.
---gerardo on 7/16/06


Alan; To be more clear; a duality as presented by fundamental Christianity as mutually exclusive. 'Us' not only against nihilistic secularism, but against ALL other forms of Christianity. What that does is pit fundamentalism against what is clearly bad, atheism, abortion, etc., but against pluralism as well, rendering freedom of religion/worship is unacceptable along with the other ills of society. That is a form of Christianity more like in England/Europe, 400 years+ ago. (Not the Jesus I believe in)
---MikeM on 7/16/06


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Mike ... # 2 So I can go along with your view of the age of Earth, although I am not sure about full blown Evolution (which if it did occur would ahve to be God guided ... intelligent design?)
But sadly, you don't advance your argument by the use of word and phrases such as "maxim exide" "anomolious from a few places" "mutually exclusive duality"
It sounds like gobble-de-gook ... as if you are just trying to wind everyone up.
Are you?
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/16/06


Mike ... # 1 I tend to believe in a very old earth, created (by God) over many many ages. Since I do not expect Genesis to give a minute by minute timed account, I have no difficulty in accepting the Creation account as True, but not literally accurate. God still made it!
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/16/06


"You really believe that you came from a rock? That is a fairy tale of evolution." Saying evolutionary science promotes the notion we came from a rock, or use of the word 'fairy tale' are 'straw man cliches' that may sway a room full of Jethro's, but not a rational thinking person. the use of rhetorical bromides I became immune to as a teen. As a teen I found rhetoric a thick cloud, hiding the truth behind the charming rhetoric and charm of demagogues.
---MikeM on 7/16/06


No credible science backs up this 'young earth' notion; its religion, nothing more. I think fundamentalist, literalist see others as compromising. Yes, you can find a hand full of those educated in 'hard science' to engague in such rhetoric, as you can find educated people to support racism, a geo-centric universe, or flat earthism. Such literalism is accepted only by a fraction of the Christian community. (mac, Keyboard sticks, spilled soda on it I should try to write gooder.)

Moderator - You really believe that you came from a rock? That is a fairy tale of evolution.
---MikeM on 7/16/06


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I don't understand what you write Mike M. I'm not sure if others do. Could you tell me what the following words mean please? ' maxim exide', 'anomolious', 'fuly', 'mannor'. One other I didn't know was 'Polystratic' but I found that one in the dictionary. The others are not there though.
---Mac on 7/16/06


Mike M "mutually exclusive duality" What on earth is that?
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/16/06


Moderator; I'm in no way suggesting evolution . It's the interpretation of the biblical creation "day" as 24hr. rather than a "period of time" that causes a problem.

Moderator - The Bible states one day and real science backs up one day also.
---1st_cliff on 7/16/06


"evolution is a fairy tale made up by atheist." Is that a maxim exide the those of us educated in the foolishness of man? Polystratic trees, anomolious from a few places are fuly explained, explaining in a rationalistic mannor through has no function in a mutually exclusive duality.
---MikeM on 7/16/06


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Some people can believe what they wish. I will believe the Bible where it makes clear in many ways and places that the days of creation are of indeterminate length.
---Jack on 7/16/06


Notlaw and Moderator--I challenge you both to look at a site called ANSWERS IN CREATION.
---Jack on 7/15/06


Mod ... I see now. But it was not what you said, which was "Nothing" was more than 4000 years old. What you meant was "Nothing living":-)

Moderator - Sorry for not writing clearer.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/15/06


Mod ... I too am educated, but obviously not to the extent you are, because I do not know how you say "nothing over here is more than 4,000 years old". I thought that strict literal interpretation of Genesis give 6000 years since that First Day (when Light was created on an already existent Earth?) So how do you get a maximum age of 4000?
Give us dim-wits a clue!

Moderator - The flood happened around 4,400 years ago, therefore everything that is alive is no older than the flood ie Mike's example of the 4,000 year old living tree.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/15/06


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Moderator;Can we also ignore the Yellowstone fossil forest where there are 65 layers of tree fossils one on top of the other? trees have rings (one for each year) The lava flow has been dated also by "potassium-argon" method!

Moderator - That doesn't prove a old earth. Fossil forest trees have been found all over the world standing straight up through the rock layers thought to be millions of years old by the evolutionists. I know of no tree that can stand up millions of years to be fossiled. Evolution is a myth made up by several atheists.
---1st_cliff on 7/15/06


In California there are Bristlecone pines with tree rings far more than 4,000 years. To say human culture, or speciation is only 4,000 years old goes against all scientific evidence, and reality. One would have to wholesale deny reality in order to maintain faith, and simply declare science, 'of the devil.' The age of that TIAHUANCO is speculative, but it is at least 4,000 years old. There is a lot of mystery to south American civilizations.

Moderator - If the flood happened 4,400 years ago and the world's oldest trees are that age, that would confirm the Bible and the flood.
---MikeM on 7/15/06


Man used to "guess" the age of ancient discoveries 'till the 1940s when radio carbon 14 dating system was discovered. The C14 decay rate is measured at a constant 5568yrs. to "half life"in matter! The Petrified Forest in Arizona is something you can see with your own eyes. I have seen it! The bible is NOT wrong, just missinterpreted!

Moderator - C14 is full of holes. I have seen the Petrified Forest many times - it's beautiful.
---1st_cliff on 7/15/06


The more archeologist try to prove the bible wrong the more they find. As for the age, would God have made Adam as an adult or as a baby? Make a chicken before he made a egg? Make the earth totally ready to live on? Satan is still trying to work Genesis 3:1-5, in this present day and age.
---jerry on 7/15/06


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The age of the is 4.56 Billion years plus or minus 1 percent.

Moderator - To believe the earth is that old, one has to ignore all scientific "FACTS" and believe in false science fairy tales.
---notlaw99 on 7/15/06


Jack, I used to think the same when I was young... until I sat down and 'did the math!' I used to believe that the earth was a minimum of 15,000 years old and didn't bat an eye if someone guessed 25,000 years either. But look at Genesis 5:3-5 etc. "930 years, and he died" is pretty specific! You may find a few small gaps here and there in the chronology, but not even thousands let alone millions of years!!!
---danie9374 on 7/15/06


Internet sites about TIAHUANCO give widely different information about its age, ranging from 14000 b.c. to 600 a.d. so seems like everyone is guessing. It is near the border with Peru. One site says that it predates any S. American "mainstream" culture.
---f.f. on 7/15/06


Moderator... you say "The speaker is making guesses because nothing over here is more than 4,000 years old" Where do you get the 4000 years from? Loralee... "Adam was here only 6,000 years ago" Where does the bible say that?

Moderator - I am educated.
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/15/06


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Jack, there is no scripture saying the world is 6000 years old, but bible scholors have traced the geanology of Jesus all the way back to Adam. I do believe that is why all the begats are in the bible.
---shira on 7/14/06


Please give book, chapter, and verse where the Bible says that Adam was here only 6,000 years ago.

The chronology of Abp. Ussher, frequently printed in Bibles, is not originally part of the Bible, therefore is unacceptable.
---Jack on 7/14/06


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