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Can A Woman Be A Pastor

Can a woman be a Pastor? Is there a problem in scripture if a woman teaches? What about our Sunday school and youth meetings?

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God does not support people in their rebellion, and does not accept their impure gifts, Proverbs 15:8. A person should not expect to hear from the Lord in that rebellious state, except the word 'repent', Psalm 73:11, Proverbs 3:13, Isaiah 47:10-11. 1Samuel 15:23, Isaiah 5:20-21, 63:10, 1Corinthians 10:9-10 (Numbers 21:5-6), Hebrews 3:12.
As an aside, I'd like to hear as to how many of the pro female Bishop-Deacon-Apostle-Prophet-Pastor-Teacher-Evangelist are married, or in their fathers house, etc.
---Glenn on 6/6/09


Thanks for the encouragement Trav. By no means do I claim to know it all, but the things that are evident to me through God's Word should be shared. I try to keep my personal feelings and thoughts out of it. I just continue to pray for clarity, understanding, and wisdom. And the things He doesn't reveal to me, well, I'll just ask Him when I get there :-) Keep your head up Trav!
---ALICIA on 4/20/09


He expects us to follow that. Changing what He has already put into place is saying that God isn't perfect and He doesn't know what He's doing!
---ALICIA on 4/14/09
Wow. A woman of faith. It is amazing, that exactly what you said above is what they say on many questions here. GOD made a mistake. The prophets lied. Incredibly sad.
I mentioned before...if it is popular/common/accepted/defended....a flag should go up.
GOD give you strength and hedge you about.

Let em Mock on.
---Trav on 4/15/09


the bible is the authority and only...God did pick women in the bible but that was then not now...It is a commandment to take the gospel to the world Gods word whom when its the holy spirit who teaches ...The bible is Gods laws and Hes ubder the law like we are....
---louie on 4/14/09


Trav, I know women probably think I'm weird because I don't advocate women leadership in church, and thats okay lol. All I know is God is a God of specifics. Just like He told Noah EXACTLY how to build the ark and just like He told the Israelites EXACTLY what they can and can't do, He's no different in the New Testament. He has given us instructions on the organization and order of His church, and as His children, He expects us to follow that. Changing what He has already put into place is saying that God isn't perfect and He doesn't know what He's doing!
---ALICIA on 4/14/09




Kathr, I completely agree with your answers but I find it offensive that you would mention Satan in the discussions,here.
Thanks Kathr and peace to you.
---MarkV. on 4/12/09


MarkV, I do believe it is important..Why? Because we are told the anti-christ is coming with LYING signs and wonders. Hummm!

I believe it is most important to bring Everything as Good Bereans and check out every word someone says to see if it is true or not. Those even did with Paul.

Christians CAN be caught in the snare of Satan..as scripture so warns us!!!

Just throwing a little truth or sprinkling a little blood to sanctify is exactly how satan gets his hooks in so many....

The TRUTH will set you FREE!!!
---kathr4453 on 4/14/09


I think it is wonderful to see women preach and teach. If we get everyone involved in preaching and teaching and evangelizing, we might hasten the return of Jesus Christ (Matt 24:14). Sincerely, Roger
---roger on 4/13/09


God is not the author of confusion so we must ask ourselves if Satan is toying with us when we read the Scriptures so that we disagree and have no unity.
---ALICIA on 4/11/09

Nice Alicia. There are two or three on here troubled no little bit by scripture on subject. Scripture, witnessing scripture and still are in confusion with themselves. Nice to have a woman stablizing the situ with other women. Men just seem to fuel the fire. We didn't make the rules....and the load they think they want to carry they won't like in the coming times.
GOD bless.
---Trav on 4/13/09


nancy,

If God was leading me to be bishop/pastor it would be because all the men in the world died a horrible spiritual death and became AWOL!
---Carla3939 on 4/13/09


1st corinthians #14 vrs. 33-38. i beleive that women are required to teach other women and children but not to teach in a formal setting men. it is the mans responsibility to teach. god says we are all ammbassadors of christ but we also have our own individual resposibilities as designed by god, to strengthen the body and to glorify god.
---matth7435 on 4/12/09




Kathr, I completely agree with your answers but I find it offensive that you would mention Satan in the discussions,
"It's the unholy spirit..satan, trying to usurping authority over the authority of the Word!"
While he is one reason many genuine Christians struggle, I don't believe it's necessary to bring him into our discussions. While he is only one Spirit who is not Omnipresent as God is, he is unable to blind believers who think different. The Spirit has opened our eyes and its up to us to follow. Some are not walking in the Spirit all the time and take a wrong step. No need to give satan any credit whatsoever. Sometimes it's necessary but not here.
Thanks Kathr and peace to you.
---MarkV. on 4/12/09


This is a question to Carla.
Has God been leading you to become Pastor?
I did the same thing - and tried to get scripture to stop me from going forward in the ministry.
---nancy on 4/12/09


Opps sorry 1 Timothy 3:1 "if a man".
---Darlene_1 on 4/11/09


Lets look at 1 Timothy 3:11. It says "Even so [must their] wives [be] grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things." So, not only does it give the qualifications of a bishop, but it also the qualifications of his wife. If it were alright for a woman to have this type of position in the church's order, it would be listed. To be this detailed on the office of bishop as a man and there not be specific qualifications of a bishop as a woman should stand for something. Its very important that we don't make assumptions when reading God's Word but take it for what it is. God is not the author of confusion so we must ask ourselves if Satan is toying with us when we read the Scriptures so that we disagree and have no unity.
---ALICIA on 4/11/09


Alicia where it says in 1 Timothy 1:1 "if a man desires the office of a Bishop", "if a man"
in the Greek Lexicon,"if a Man" means whoever or whatever,not man. So it could have just as surely been woman with following verses set to agree with the Gender used. The early Cheristian women ministered just as the men did. They baptised people,traveled with the Apostles,ministered the Word. Tertullian wrote against women doing such things because they weren't priests. But what he didn't know we are all priests under the New Testament.
---Darlene_1 on 4/11/09


Its funny because the question "can a woman be a pastor" is quite simple and easy to answer. No one can deny what it says in 1Timothy 3:1-13. In the positions of bishop and deacon, it gives a whole list of qualifications they must have. Two common qualifications for both of them are "husband of one wife" and "ruling their children and their own houses well." That is clear as day that the apostle Paul meant for the leaders of the church to be married MEN with children. He would have given the qualifications of woman who wanted to be a bishop or deacon if he felt that was appropriate. When God says something, there is a period at the end of His sentence. Not a comma. Stop adding stuff to His Word.
---ALICIA on 4/10/09


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Well Darlene,

I so happen to understand that there are the saved and unsaved, men who truly love the Lord operate under the Law of Christ and the Law of God is fulfilled because he Loves his wife and likewise the wife loves her husband and like wise the Husband the head of his wife.

Therefore it in not a matter of being under any such Law that would in incriminate or inhibit his wife in anyway but one where God is the Head of Christ and Christ the Head of the Husband, Godly Order.

The wife still observes that she should not teach where her husband and other husbands are in Church.
---Carla3939 on 4/10/09


Carla3939,when we marry we take on the husbands habits and home rules because wives with working husbands,if worth anything,will try to please her husband therefore she comes under her husband's rules or Law. That is what I was talking about. The reference verse 3:16 showed the Law spoken of was the husbands not any Law or ordinances made by God,it was part of the curse,the Law of the home based on husband being head of household and wife. Thank you,the verses you gave confirmed what I was saying.It is the Law of husband as the only man who has authority over wife and home. God created the situation but the man runs it by what he thinks is right and good.
---Darlene_1 on 4/9/09


t seems here everyone has their own opinion as to what the Spirit is telling them to do. You can see that in the tongues, and healings (Pentecostals), Sabbath, (SDA) worshipping idols (Catholics) and so on.
---MarkV. on 4/7/09

MarkV, What you and I know, and what we can discern is..we know the Holy Spirit is not an independent contractor..doing His own thing. That's how we know false teachers..when one says... "the Holy Spirit led me to do this or that", when the Holy Spirit never goes against the Word,and the Word never goes against the Father...It is absolutely impossible.

It's the unholy spirit..satan, trying to usurping authority over the authority of the Word!

Just as subtle as the snake in the Garden!!
---kathr4453 on 4/9/09


GOD word in context say NO!
---willow on 4/9/09


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Darline 1
The reference is Genesis 3:16 the place God gives the husband power over the wife,it is husband's Law not God's. Not all men. Even given in a Spiritual context it's about husband and wife order in their marriage.


1Cr 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman [is] the man, and the head of Christ [is] God.

Eph 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

The bible is clear on Authority and above Christ is God and above man is Christ so how is it about man Law?
---Carla3939 on 4/8/09


Both Testaments show God's plan for a couple,the husbands headship over wife,his authority over wife. It's about the relationship,how to have a good marriage. I Timothy 2:11 & 12 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach,nor usurp authority over the man,but to be in silence. The man,the woman,singular. 1 Corinthians 14:34 The women are to keep silent in the Church,for they arenot permitted to speak but are commanded to be under obedience,as the Law also says. The reference is Genesis 3:16 the place God gives the husband power over the wife,it is husband's Law not God's. Not all men. Even given in a Spiritual context it's about husband and wife order in their marriage.
---Darlene_1 on 4/8/09


There is no need to get nasty or call names.

when you are challenged scriptually you have the opportunity to respond scriptually to show me inncorrect as it is you have not done so

I indeed did not name call could you pls provide the names I called you personally?


name calling is school childish behaviour and I have never resorted to name calling or cursing you since that is operating in darkness but used scripture to identify where scripture identified heresies.....
---Carla3939 on 4/7/09


I agree with Nimz. Just because we don't like something in God's Word doesn't give us the authority to go and change it. God's Word is very simple and clear. Its us imperfect humans that want to bend and contort it to fit what we think it should be. Our thoughts are not His thoughts, our ways are not His ways. He created this world, you and me, and so He has every right to determine who should lead in His church. But just because women can't preach when men are present doesn't mean we are useless!
---ALICIA on 4/7/09


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Alan

both you and miche should team up cause you both like to argue points not support through scripture, Peace be unto you!
---Carla3939 on 4/6/09

It is not supported in scriptures that a woman teach, should be silent in church asking anything at home with her husband, a Man of One wife should be a bishop!



Gal 5:20
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
---Carla3939 on 4/7/09


1. And let's not forget that a woman has been given this permission.

2. Me, I shall not quench the Holy Spirit.
---miche3754 on 4/2/09

1. Show scriptural permission...two or more in New Testament. There should be Old Testament witnesses as well to the "new women" preacher/pastor/leader/teachers. Show a couple of these. Other wise you are going against the prophets,apostles in essence ______. Show em again. You're not Israel or Deborah.
2. The Holy Spirit is never incorrect. You dear are in several places. This just being one.
One more thing. The Bridegroom cometh....your not re-married yet.
You misinterpret Holy Spirit...for your desire and emotional fervor. Common.
---Trav on 4/2/09
---Trav on 4/7/09


see nimz, when I look at my pastor leading I don't see him as a man, I see him as indwelled with the Spirit of Christ and it is Christ leading the Church. That is the difference between us. I see Christ leading not the flesh.
Until you open your spiritual eyes and understand that ,you will not get the full understanding that Christ is the HEAD and only Christ is the HEAD. We are just stewards we don't "LEAD" anything. It is Christ that leads.
---miche3754 on 4/7/09


Kathr, the statement you made is the very reason I disagree with Shawn T. "The problem is, everyone today is doing their own thing. AND we are being rediculed by the world because of it. If we can't obey Church Order....we show we can't obey God through Jesus Christ in anything!
Everyone is doing their own thing. Everyone save has the Spirit. No one has to follow any instructions because the spirit is speaking to them. Yet none are in one accord. Does the Spirit lead someone against the Word of God? It seems here everyone has their own opinion as to what the Spirit is telling them to do. You can see that in the tongues, and healings (Pentecostals), Sabbath, (SDA) worshipping idols (Catholics) and so on.
---MarkV. on 4/7/09


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Miche and other, Yeah, our body is the church so we preach to the Lost but when we are in a physical church we as women don't need to Lead in a Church as it exercises authority over a man and because we already have saved leaders to lead the church! Those are clear requirements in 1TIM3:5:17, 3:2,5 or have you actually read 1Timothy at all?? please read it...ITS VERY CLEAR..God does use us in other ways! why do you have to go against it and make it difficult for yourself? its truly sad...Well, To the Lost who do not abide by what the bible says, receive Christ as Lord and Saviour of your life now and Live by what the bible says (Sound Doctrine) not what 'you choose'to hear...
---Nimz on 4/6/09


Carla ... I am used to your insults, so you may as well stop those as well as the innuendos of lack of decency.
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/6/09


carla, we have given scripture, and you give the Law back to us. When we are in Christ, we are not under the law anymore.
In fact, in Christ, we are neither male or female. As we grow in the grace of Christ and become confirmed to his image, it is Christ that is working when there is preaching and teaching, and prophecy. It is not the flesh that works. There should be nothing fleshly about the worchip and edification of Christ. We are to worship in Spirit and truth.
If you don't want to see that with your Spiritual glasses or hear with you spiritual ears, then Maybe God is not ready to reveal this knowledge to you. There is no need to get nasty or call names.
---miche3754 on 4/6/09


The truth is the truth when it comes to the HS. the HS knows who is approved through study and who isn't. We know it by the fruit they bear that it's the Holy Spirit.
---miche3754 on 4/6/09

Again miche You know WHAT by the fruit they bear? So, if someone has love joy peace longsuffering etc, they are teaching absolute TRUTH????

No Miche we KNOW those who are Christ's by the TRUTH they preach!!!!

All those peace love dove hippy new agers you would be drawn to are false teachers!!!!

The Real truth tellers have Chutzpah!

Paul said he hoped the lawyers ( Circumcision) went all the way and just castrated themselves!! That's Chutzpah!
---kathr4453 on 4/6/09


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cont please...

Miche, do you see any of YOUR FRUIT here ?


Rev 11:3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

....

5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
---kathr4453 on 4/6/09


Alan

both you and miche should team up cause you both like to argue points not support through scripture, Peace be unto you!
---Carla3939 on 4/6/09


no kath,
Shawn tells the WHOLE truth. It comes from years of study and Holy Spirit guided understanding of God's word.

Shawn understands the fullness of Grace. You just refuse to accept his knowledge of it.
When we understand that the Body of Christ is Spirit then we begin to fully understand HOW Christ works in and through us.
By not permitting women to do as they are called, we limit the work of the HS of Christ. I've said it's Christ that works NOT us. It's the HS that preaches, teaches and brings all things to our rememberance. NOT us by ourselves.
The truth is the truth when it comes to the HS. the HS knows who is approved through study and who isn't. We know it by the fruit they bear that it's the Holy Spirit.
---miche3754 on 4/6/09


I happen to agree with Shawn M.T. as far as women's positions in the Body of Christ. And According to what Shawn has said , My Pastor and elders teach on the accord.
---miche3754 on 4/5/09

I know you agree with ShawnT on many issues. ShawnT and I disagree on very many issues. ShawnT also believes it's ok for women after salvation to get tattoos! After all, we're under GRACE....but again, I consider that a perversion of Grace!

So, Miche, agree all you want....and if you find that insulting....I really don't care.

You state on one hand you don't like those who pervert Grace, and yet agree with the very one who do!!!!

Miche, you'll agree with anyone who agrees with you!
---kathr4453 on 4/6/09


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kath I don't have a problem being a "toe" if that is what God made me to be. My problem with you is your arrogance. You insult anyone who disagrees with you. And if they are agreeing, if it isn't said the way you say it, you insult them. My problem with you is your attitude.
You are suppose to be a Christian. And I know for a fact that Christians are not suppose to insult. I don't insult you, I may not agree with you and that is fine with me. But I don't insult you.
I happen to agree with Shawn M.T. as far as women's positions in the Body of Christ. And According to what Shawn has said , My Pastor and elders teach on the accord.
---miche3754 on 4/5/09


Carla ... There is no point in my duplicating what others are saying, so please quit your innuendo.
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/5/09


A woman can be anything God calls and anoints her to be. I was saved in a church of a woman Pastor. I was baptised in another church,her sister was Pastor,yes she baptised me,and another sister was Pastor of another church. They preached to both men and women. As an adult Christian I ministered to both men and women,not as a pastor but as an obedient child of God,that includes my own Pastor,I had a Word of Knowledge for him which I gave him,but when I told him I hesitated,he asked why and said "Pastors need to be ministered to,too". In the years since then I have seen that Word fulfilled. God only wants people who obey Him not paper doll copies of servants or a people who follow man's tradition not God's Word. No male or female to God.
---Darlene_1 on 4/5/09


You don't know me personally so who are you to tell me what God's purpose is for me?
You aren't GOD.
Again with the insults.
I have never insulted you so why do you speak like the world but claim you aren't"
Christians don't talk like that.
---miche3754 on 4/4/09

Miche I wasn't saying YOU personally...Anyone can be a YOU. But, why do you think being a toe is insulting. Actually EVERY part of the Body is as important as the next. Paul said this very thing....WE ALL can't be the EYE! I didn't say anything Paul didn't teach...and there is nothing insulting about it. Do you realize how much strength it takes to support the body????
---kathr4453 on 4/5/09


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Alan,

If the single man and widower in their conscience they should abstain from these position to teaching only they do well BUT somehow I just feel this is your only stance of unhealthy argument is that edifying?
---Carla3939 on 4/4/09


Miche,Just think of the Body and how God has placed each one of us in the Body according to HIS PURPOSE.

He made you a toe....but oh no, you'd rather be a Hand, the Eye because you think YOU are more qualified. Hmmm...first lesson in humility is, be the best toe you can possibly be. The toe helps support the Body. It's at the bottom, not the top.- kath

You don't know me personally so who are you to tell me what God's purpose is for me?
You aren't GOD.
Again with the insults.
I have never insulted you so why do you speak like the world but claim you aren't"
Christians don't talk like that.
---miche3754 on 4/4/09


Carla3939--

Just now read your post of 3/24.
I apologize if you thought I was trying to argue with you. I wasn't.

I just posed a hypothetical question.
I could have addressed the comment to anyone.
I'm not sure why I addressed it to you...No, I did not read every word you posted on the thread. But I think I was expressing agreement not disagreement!

Don't let your passion for the subject make you defensive.
---Donna66 on 4/3/09


Well, Alicia ... and it makes the single man, and the widower (and if you read further) a married man with no children) ineligible.
---alan8566_of_UK on 4/3/09


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The Bible, in detail, explains the qualifications of elders and deacons...and they both are to be the "husband of one wife"...that pretty much settles it there, don't you think?? (I Tim 3:2, 12)
---ALICIA on 4/3/09


>Miche,Just think of the Body and how God has placed each one of us in the Body according to HIS PURPOSE.

He made you a toe....but oh no, you'd rather be a Hand, the Eye because you think YOU are more qualified. Hmmm...first lesson in humility is, be the best toe you can possibly be. The toe helps support the Body. It's at the bottom, not the top.

The problem (I hate to say it, but it's true) Kay Arthur started this woman thing. I once attended her study and did not like what I heard or saw of the Katians..a menacing group! I've seen more women crash and burn after being in one of these studies, become so obnoxious and outspoken in churches. THIS IS NOT GOD!!!!
---kathr4453 on 4/3/09


Here is teh Strongs definition of Servant..Deacon...deaconess concerning Phebe in Rom 16:1


) one who executes the commands of another, esp. of a master, a servant, attendant, minister

a) the servant of a king

b) a deacon, one who, by virtue of the office assigned to him by the church, cares for the poor and has charge of and distributes the money collected for their use

c) a waiter, one who serves food and drink
---kathr4453 on 4/3/09


The Administrative Overseeing of a Church should be a man. - kath

You mean the building. Because we carry Christ's Church with us everywhere we go.

And what I said about Esther is the truth.
She lead her people away from exstinction.
She put her life on the line because God asked her to.
You all are allowed your opinion. But I know that anything is possible for God.

And as soon as some on here realize what being in Christ's church really means you will understand what Paul said about there not being male or female in the Holy Spirit.
---miche3754 on 4/3/09


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***or What Esther did.***

Miche, Esther never lead a Church. God used Esther to save her people. God used Jamar, Ruth, Abigail and so many wonderful women in scripture. Even those not in scripture...Queen Elizabeth, Golda Meir, etc. AND there are some things ONLY a woman can do.

BUT, these are GOD appointed GOD Approved people, for a purpose...HIS!

The Administrative Overseeing of a Church should be a man.

A deaconess, as Phoebe, was not an Elder. There are many deacon, deaconesses in Churches...and none have total authority over the Church.

Phoebe came to another Church for some kind of help. Paul asked those in the Church in Rome to assist her with her needs. Maybe it was food or something.
---kathr4453 on 4/3/09


Trav, I have provided scripture on women leading.
OT scripture in fact.
I guess what Deborah did does not matter to you, or What Esther did.
They were LEADERS.
If that is not enough for you, then there is nothing I can say to help open your eyes to the fact of it even when it is all there in black and white.
Kath,
God bless you and thank you.
It seems to me that unless someone says it the way you say it it's wring.
There is no need to correct what I said about the Church because I said the same thin gyou did in a different way.
But that is how the flesh works, right.
---miche3754 on 4/3/09


1. And let's not forget that a woman has been given this permission.

2. Me, I shall not quench the Holy Spirit.
---miche3754 on 4/2/09

1. Show scriptural permission...two or more in New Testament. There should be Old Testament witnesses as well to the "new women" preacher/pastor/leader/teachers. Show a couple of these. Other wise you are going against the prophets,apostles in essence ______.
2. The Holy Spirit is never incorrect. You dear are in several places. This just being one.

You misinterpret Holy Spirit...for your desire and emotional fervor. Common.
---Trav on 4/2/09


Nimz, You forget that the church is not a building. The Church is YOU. The Church is ALL Christians.

Miche, the Church is Jesus Christ. We are members of Jesus Christ who is head of the Church.

We are still to be obedient to the Head...Jesus, as He ordained through His Apostles Church Order here on earth. We are not independent agents, but members of one another. FOR unity, peace etc, we are to submit to the order of the Church here on earth, so that the lost world can see Christ in this world through us.

The problem is, everyone today is doing their own thing. AND we are being rediculed by teh world because of it. If we can't obey Church Order....we show we can't obey God through Jesus Christ in anything!

---kathr4453 on 4/2/09


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Nimz, You forget that the church is not a building. The Church is YOU. The Church is ALL Christians.
So keeping that in mind, I guess that means a woman is not supposed to minister at ALL?
Not true. You forget that Paul is speaking to a specific audience in a letter written specifically to them because the women, were (as Carla graciously put it) talking without God's knowledge. And that to prophecy is to teach/preach God's future will for his people. And let's not forget that a woman has been given this permission.
Believe that a building is a church and a woman teaching and spreading the gospel is an affront to God. That is upon you. Me, I shall not quench the Holy Spirit.
---miche3754 on 4/2/09


If Miche isnt willing to obey the Truth God has put in front of us then pray for Miche. Some people try to twist Sound Doctrine to suit them. 1Dont draw any conclusions at the price of proper interpretation...dont make the bible say what you want it to say, instead let it say what God intended when he wrote it. 2Don't spiritualize the passage. Interpret/ understand the passage in its normal, literal, historical, grammatical sense, just like you would understand any other piece of literature you were reading today. 3Avoid superficial interpretation, eg: 'people who say, "To me this passage means," etc...the first step in interpreting the Bible is to recognize the 4 gaps we have to bridge: language, culture, geography, and history
---Nimz on 4/1/09


Miche, you keep forgetting 1Tim 2 talks about not allowing women to preach and teach in front to other men in the CHURCH...Yes, preach the gospel to the unsaved...not those in the church who are leading already...that usurps authority...its not appropriate...when preaching the gospel to an unsaved man, graciously preach the gospel not out of boastfulness like you're wear the pants...
---Nimz on 4/1/09


Carla,
God created us IN THE FLESH male and female. Yes that is correct.
But in the Spiritual body of Christ are you a male or female?
NO, you are the body of Christ. We are his hands and feet and Christ is our head. That is how Christ gets his word and Gospel out. Through us.(1 Cor. 12:14-16)
And Rhonda, you are wrong. A woman can minister.
We are part of the Body are we not?
We are all charged with speading the gospel.
Example:
If you are already married then you as the wife get saved, aren't you suppose to minister to your husband, who is not saved yet?
Ministering does not mean usurping or taking authority.
---miche3754 on 4/1/09


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Miche,

Your theory just don't add up if that is the case and you can apply Gods word to anything to mean anything, that's a messed up gospel You preach.

There has to be male and female because God created us so. Scripture means for the sake of salvation we are all accounted for as one in Christ. If uncircumcised there is no need to circumcise yourself, no bond or free persons for we are all called through Christ......

There are no scripture to say women can now become a bishop and exercise teaching above your husband That is a doctrine from the pit of hell. God is not a liar and is a God of ORDER regardless of how you twist things!
---Carla3939 on 4/1/09


Side note be careful who you call anti Christ because it isn't your job to judge.
---miche3754 on 3/30/09
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Miche in your blind confusion you believe I was calling YOU antichrist?

I'm unsure how so many professing christians are offended by the term antichrist

ANTI = AGAINST obviously if one is AGAINST CHRIST they dismiss Word of God ...if one dismisses Word of God they dismiss Christ WHO IS the WORD

if YOU are a female and YOU are a minister under the guise of christianity then YOU are antichrist to WORD of God

otherwise whatever I posted is generalized antichrist to Word of God

if you feel "judged" take it as a NUDGE to seek TRUTH of God rather than clinging to doctrines of men
---Rhonda on 3/31/09


Can you how me in the bible what you just stated on here? you could've taken a verse out of context too...unfortunately Miche we are not perfect like Christ, we live in the flesh thats why we are given the bible to guide us through our daily walk with the Lord ...simple...plse don't make it harder for yourself by trying to come up with your own philosophies. Believe and accept Christ as Lord and Saviour of your life and abide by only what the bible says. If u dont mind me asking, What church do you go to?
---Nimz on 3/31/09


If we are teaching/pastoring/preaching of our accord male or female it is WRONG!
We do nothing that God does not permit us to do.

These positions should be done by and through the Holy Spirit and for God's glory no matter who performs them.
Since this is the truth, there IS NO MALE or FEMALE in the Body of Christ. So as the Body of Christ, none of are male or female in the Holy Spirit. When perfoming a duty for God, we are neither male or female. WHY? Because it is for God's glory not the glory of the flesh. When those who persecute and try to put us back under the School master understand this, they will be truly free in Christ!
God bless you all.
---miche3754 on 3/31/09


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1Tim2:12 "women are not allowed to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain silent. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the women being deceived who also fell into transgression..." God has designed for us to be a helper to our husbands and for our husbands to give us the protection and leadership...All equal, but with different roles/responsiblities... (Titus 2:3,4) We can preach and teach to other women and our children and testify to other men and women about God's grace in OUR own lives but we cannot Teach in the church as the elders are those who rule (1Tim 3:2-5)...He doesn't prohibit us from teaching in other conditions and circumstances though.
---Nimz on 3/30/09


They are persecuted everyday by people like you and others on here.

---miche3754 on 3/25/09

I surely misunderstood. Was sure I read a post where you called yourself a pastor. I sort of apologize.....sort because you do stir controversy on subject in defense of.
You are not persecuted,woman....nonsense. Called "warning" or rebuke... actually caring consideration of you. Observing someone that doesn't understand the sharp sword they are playing with....one trys to warn. For the Word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Hebrews 4:11-13
---Trav on 3/30/09


See Rhonda, the thing is it depends on which transalation you are reading as to what position Phoebe was given. Some say deaconess, others say Bishop, etc., etc..
The POINT is - Phoebe was put OVER a Church Body. She was charged with the responsibility of the Spiritual GROWTH and welfare of that Church. And a man was not set over her. Paul addressed her as an EQUAL servant of Christ. EQUAL!! So, no matter what you or anybody else tries to reason over this. Her position of AUTHORITY was over men and women and their Spirtual growth. If Paul ment ALL women, why would he go against what he stated by Appointing her to be in Authority over an entire church Body?
Side note be careful who you call anti Christ because it isn't your job to judge.
---miche3754 on 3/30/09


Explain WHY Paul put A WOMAN-PHEOBE-OVER a Church?
---miche3754 on 3/30/09
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Phebe was a DEACONESS and a deaconess is not "over" a pastor of a church

the "explaining" is clearly done by you Miche you EXPLAIN AWAY plain truth ...always explaining away verses that CLEARLY do not have a women leading the spiritual church of Christ

by simply explaining away you have made yourself right ...and by making yourself right you DISMISS Gods Holy Word placing your rightness spin on whatever you please

women leading a church under the guise of being led by Christ are antichrist to Gods Plain Truth

can't serve God by making your own rules
---Rhonda on 3/30/09


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Back in Paul's day, women were not as educated, as we are today. Times have changed, to God's delight. Jesus all through the Bible used women in all sorts of ways. And there are plenty of scriptures.
---catherine on 3/30/09


Explain why Paul said:1Ti2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Of course you can twist it to say that a man is not to teach or usurp authority over the woman. God's word stands, you logic is flawed.
---Pastor_Herb on 3/27/09
original verse actually says " I suffer not a wife to teach or usurp authority over the husband"
When read in the correct context, what you are saying is flawed not me.
No twisting needed.
That means
"wife" = Body of Christ(ALL CHRISTIANS) can't take authority over
"husband" = CHRIST.
Explain WHY Paul put A WOMAN-PHEOBE-OVER a Church?
---miche3754 on 3/30/09


THERE IS NO MALE OR FEMALE IN CHRIST!!!!
---miche3754 on 3/23/09

Men and wormen are still different and have different roles in life. Explain why Paul said:1Ti2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Of course you can twist it to say that a man is not to teach or usurp authority over the woman. God's word stands, you logic is flawed.
---Pastor_Herb on 3/27/09


miche,

this is going nowhere since you have picked up a particular idea to validate women pastoring.


Now either you are obedient to the word or can keep up this defence but it will not/Does Not prove Paul's advice incorrect, evangelism is anyone's duty soul winning is not usurping or pastoring but spreading the gospel.

Now in cases of women having to pastor a church why when men evangelised can be equipped to pastor or lead, why does the missionary have to lead ask yourself that it's just like saying I had to take a job as Head Teacher but when one qualified comes I'll denounce all authority to Gods chosen servant once he is fit to lead.
---Carla3939 on 3/27/09


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carla, I wasn't speaking about works of our own but the evidence of Christ in us.
THe fruits of the Spirit spoke of in Galatians 5. We should all have that if we are Christian.
I am still waiting on an answer for what I asked about women missionaries.
They have pastored and taught men in the churches they have established.
Is this wrong in your eyes? should they be made to come home?
I don't see why because they are doing what God told all of us to do. Spread the good news of Christ.
On a side note, I don't think we hould be making fun or nsulting each other(not saying you did).
I get persecuted A LOT. But its fine with me.
As long as I am learning that is good.
---miche3754 on 3/26/09


Don't worry miche, I'm sure it'll fetch a few laughs :) LOL
---Carla3939 on 3/26/09


Miche,

Christ would be speaking to his disciples of which he gave a specific command that they would tread on deadly snakes and they would come to no harm, figuratively or spiritually ask those who are called to step on any deadly thing and are able to walk away untouched?

Those are the evidence to look for not works?
---Carla3939 on 3/26/09


It is so sad that even when shown the reason,by using reference in the Bible itself and getting meaning of words from the Greek Lexicon,people still refuse to admit women can preach and minister to men. I and my cousin saw a man she knew in a Cafe,and she knew he had already sold his business because Doctors had told him he would be dead from cancer in a year,and she and I got up and asked him if we could pray for him,he answered yes. That man was healed of cancer that day and has lived a very long time since that day. Now I wonder if he knew some say a woman can't minister to men if he would have wanted to give back his healing because only women prayed for him. God heals,preaches,exhorts,etc. and moves through women just like men.
---Darlene_1 on 3/26/09


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carla I saw my previous post, and I apologize
for the word "nut". It was actually suppose to be "but". I don't see how I missed that.
I truly apologize if I offended. I did not mean to.

kath, great post. I really enjoyed what you said.

also, Do you believe a woman should be able to teach?
Do you take into account that each person is at their own level in Christ's knowledge and those with more knowledge should share it whether they are man or woman?
If so, why?
---miche3754 on 3/26/09


--Carla:

By 'Faith' we're Sealed with the indwell of the Spirit's Guidance, divinely inspiring us into our best offices of serve for Christ's sake. A SchoolMaster assigns newly found Believers of Christ to these offices of serve. Paul gave this law to bring them into Faith: afterward they were no longer to abide under a SchoolMaster's guidance: but the more Perfect Guidance of the Spirit.

Faith call for us to be humbly weak before God, where we recognize His Grace as sufficient and His strength as Perfect in our weakness. 2Cor.12:9-10

No longer are just young men the strong ones. We're all made strong by Faith, to take pleasure in the infirmities, persecutions, distresses, etc. of any office of serve for Christ's sake.
---Shawn_M.T. on 3/26/09


trav I have not ever said I was a pastor.
I would not want to be one.
I am not sowing confusion. And you are allowed your opinion. God bless you for it.
And God give you your measure for lying on what I have said or not said.
God give you your measure for assuming another Christians' walk and calling.
You said it right there- Christ ordains. Not man.
No, I am not Phoebe, but I know many like her.
They are persecuted everyday by people like you and others on here.
But Christ said they that truly follow HIM will be.
---miche3754 on 3/25/09


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