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Is The Papal Seat The Antichrist

Is the Papal Seat that of the Antichrist? All scriptural evidence points that direction?

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The media is just an extension of the government. If you read Sun Tzu's The Art of War (a fuller translation) you will see that the media is part of the art of Warfare.
---frances008 on 3/5/08


I don't trust the media verbatim either (any story I DO know about intimately is almost always inaccurate, so what does that say about stories I DON'T know about?)
---StrongAxe on 3/4/08


I am willing to do the research if you will tell me who is making a claim. But if you don't even give that, it's too much to ask me to search the entirety of human knowledge to find the point you are making.

Your position reminds me of a joke:
A man meets a blonde, and likes her. As she leaves, he asks "Can I have your number?". She says "It's in the book".
He asks "Then what's your name?". She replies "Silly, that's in the book too!"
---StrongAxe on 3/4/08

Frances ... I am not the only one, then who can find no earlier reference by you of John Todd.
When and where did you make it?
Are you sure it was published?
---alan_of_UK on 3/4/08

My name is followed by the year I started on this website - to differentiate me from the ones whose posts are dated two years ago, who sometimes resurface.

John Todd is a man who was born again after having been brought up by witchcraft generations. He knew a lot about the plans of the Illuminati because he worked for, and was protected by them.
---frances008 on 3/4/08

If someone makes a claim and it is published in the media, everyone believes it straight away despite the fact that the sources are usually not stated. I stated my sources and they were not published (perhaps) and when they were later published you all had reasons for not wanting to believe those sources. The onus is on YOU I am afraid. You have to use your intelligence if you are seeking information. I am not in control of what gets published, nor your brainwashing against any said source.
---frances008 on 3/4/08

They published about John Adams, because I received answers about it. The Second President of the USA, and his comments on his book on the Jesuits. Was that not a source? But all these are just crumbs, the real big sources are all still out there waiting for you to use your google or yahoo.
---frances008 on 3/4/08

frances008::Is this the reincarnation of lady counterpart of 007? Just curious?BTW who is John Toad? never heard of him was he an evangelist.?
---Emcee on 3/4/08


You mention John Todd, but the ONLY mentions I can find of him in this blog is your post today (and other comments about it). You may have posted about him earlier, but since they don't appear here, either 1) they didn't get approved, or 2) they were long enough ago that they fell off the bottom of the blog. In either case, nobody could see them, so you can't blame them for not knowing that they weren't there.
---StrongAxe on 3/4/08


If anyone makes a claim, the onus is on THEM to prove it, to provide evidence to convice others that their claim is true. I could say "The sky is green, but you will have to research it for yourself", but nobody would believe me. They would have no reason to do so.
---StrongAxe on 3/4/08

I am frances008, Alan. Without meaning to be rude, have you had your eyesight checked lately? Maybe you need new spectacles.
---frances008 on 3/3/08

Frances008 ... "I also told you that John Todd was one source" ... If you did post that info, I never saw it.
Perhaps it was another one that was never published.**

Well, John Todd (and this is the FIRST I've seen of frances giving any source, much less him) was proven to be a public fraud.
---Jack on 3/3/08

If you do not have the truth in you, and then you diss, and refuse to do any research except to glance at a website and then say it is rubbish, when there are thousands of sites and they are certainly not all rubbish (though a few are), then I think you have to admit you are ignorant or a lay Jesuit who is a gatekeeper on this site.
---frances008 on 3/3/08

Frances009 " certainly did write those two sources down before and I am sure there is no reason that they would not have printed them. So you missed them. You also dissed them"
There are many many posts that are not published ... about 15% of mine don't get onto the blog.
These references were not there earlier.
And is pointing out the truth dissing?
---alan_of_UK on 3/3/08

Frances008 ... "I also told you that John Todd was one source" ... If you did post that info, I never saw it.
Perhaps it was another one that was never published.
---alan_of_UK on 3/3/08

** I think Ian Paisley, whatever adjectives you fling at him to describe his views on Rome, is either EXTREMELY courageous, totally sold out to God and against the evil Jesuits, or he is part of their plans,**

How do we know that YOU are not part of the Jesuits' plans, frances?

Do we have only your say so that you're not? Not much to go on.
---Jack on 3/3/08

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I would love to shake Ian Paisley's hand for all the work he has done exposing the RCC.
---frances008 on 3/2/08

For all those who are less than honest about my giving of sources, I also told you that John Todd was one source. So far I seem to have given quite a few sources. But somehow each time the source was not good enough for you. So I opted out of the game. Get your own sources. Do your own research.
---frances008 on 3/1/08

The over one Billion people all owe their allegiance to the Pope, and even if they don't support him, officially they count as his power on earth to make or break presidents, prime ministers etc. So if anyone does not agree with what Rome states in its Encyclicals, then they would be advised to get out of her (the RCC).
---frances008 on 2/29/08

I certainly did write those two sources down before and I am sure there is no reason that they would not have printed them. So you missed them. You also dissed them. If I came up, one by one, with a million sources, you would do the same, therefore I give no more sources. I also quoted Adam Smith (First President of the USA) about the Jesuits. So I do give some sources. So you are lying.
---frances on 2/29/08

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I think Ian Paisley, whatever adjectives you fling at him to describe his views on Rome, is either EXTREMELY courageous, totally sold out to God and against the evil Jesuits, or he is part of their plans, (there can be no other explanation). I tend to believe (due to the recent events) that he is the victim of Jesuits revenge against him. He was at one point even been in put jail when not a young man. If you know the truth, your opinions change. If you don't look for the truth, you won't change.
---frances on 2/29/08

There are over ONE BILLION people on earth who "claim" to be Catholics. With that many people, there are going to be some nuts. I've met a few. It is wrong to accuse the masses of the "crimes" of the fringe. And remember, if 1% have "crazy" beliefs, that's TEN MILLION people. Just because Fred the Catholic down the street says something, does not make it RCC teaching. And just because a website says Pope John used a machine gun on a schoolyard does not mean it happened.
---Greyrider on 2/29/08

Frances ... Like StrongAxe, I can't find and don't recall any earlier reference to our Lady of the Roses, so when and where was this shown?
The same applies to your claim that you previously quote the EPIS site.
As for Ian Paisley, he is a good orator, and a godly one. But I have heard him speak about the RCC, and there is no doubt on that matter that he is biased, and vitriolic with it.
---alan_of_UK on 2/29/08

StrongAxe, for what it's worth, Veronica Leukens and her vistions (including Our Lady of the Roses) were condemned by the local bishop as being false amd misleading.

I myself have seen several errors from this entity she called "Jesus".

Significant that Frances would listen to what the RCC calls a false prophet.
---Jack on 2/29/08

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Thank you for the point on "Our Lady of the Roses". (However, it wasn't a lie about "no sources", since the first mention I can see on these blogs is 2 days ago. If you mentioned it earlier, it's scrolled off the bottom and we didn't see it.)

I just had a look at in the web. It looks like yet another bunch of wacky people putting forth their own ideas and claiming divine revelation. I can't believe that anyone in mainstream Catholicism would take this seriously.
---StrongAxe on 2/28/08

There are many pages and many sites devoted to Our Lady of the Roses, The Bayside Seer, etc and much of the writing exposes the conspiracy, and if you cannot find it you are not googling the correct words in. Try 'illuminati'.
---frances on 2/28/08

I noted that they made changes so that the exposing pages went to the back of the queue and may by now have been dismantled. That is why I do not give sources. And also your comment about Ian Paisley, is based on the fact thay you a. met him. b. listened to a sermon of his. c. read his literature or d. listened to other peoples image of him. I changed 180 degrees once I realized a few facts.
---frances on 2/28/08

I note you all have swiftly dropped the 'you don't EVER cite your sources' lie. You seem to have sidestepped it in a typical way, now it is the sites that are all wrong. See, nothing would make you convinced. Unless Jesus came back and spoke to you in your very living room, you would never be convinced of anything.
---frances on 2/28/08

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Fortunately, the Holy Spirit can actually come into your living room and convince you, otherwise I would still be a blind sheep.
---frances on 2/28/08

Frances ... I looked at the Our Lady of the Roses site, and found nothing tom suggest conspiracy.
I also looked up EPIS and found this is associate with Ian Paisley ... and we alll know how unbiased he is.
---alan_of_UK on 2/28/08

The abomination that causes desolation will go to the Temple of the Lord and declare(s) himself to be God. The Jesuits are determined to destroy Catholicism (so maybe I should like them) and also with Catholicism every other Christian on earth (and in fact has already been doing this for centuries). Damning people to hell with erroneous ideas is also a way of destroying people.
---frances on 2/27/08

Okay, Jack, you appear out of the blue again to accuse. I told everyone about E.I.P.S and Our Lady of the Roses. See, you lied.
---frances on 2/27/08

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1) What specifically do you have against Jesuits?
2) The RCC is MUCH older than Jesuits, so it could not have been created by them.
3) The Bible speaks of the mother of harlots, and even says she sits on the "city of seven hills". That could be Rome or Jerusalem, or San Francisco. While she's COULD be the RCC, that's something we won't know for sure until we're closer to the events in Revelation.

Many jump to conclusions about prophecy that later turn out wrong.
---StrongAxe on 2/27/08

Alan of Uk, numerous times I have told you where I get my information. **

Not ONCE have you said where you get ANY of your information, and you have even REFUSED to do so.

Is your grasp on reality that shaky, or do you just not know the truth any more?
---Jack on 2/27/08

Frances:Jesuit Fathers, are men of Learning promulgating the truth.Why you carry a torch of destruction against them is best known to you. While you may claim to live by the bible yet you ignore Matt 28:20. His church is guided by the HOLY SPIRIT.can you.or anyone, interpret the word better than God or do you not consider The H/S to be GOD.Most misunderstandings arise from misinterpretation.Satan is adept at this game,all he does is plant the seed of derision.He tried it with Jesus Matt4:10
---Emcee on 2/26/08

Alan of Uk, numerous times I have told you where I get my information. I have mountains of it in my back room. I have bookcases loaded with it. To pick out one name among many is ridiculous. I don't have time to go through all the individuals who have challenged the Papacy, and why should I. Anyone who is interested MUST find out for themselves. I refuse to drop names that could damage the cause of the truth. The Jesuits delight in removing all traces and persecuting the truth tellers.
---frances on 2/26/08

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I recall telling you some sources anyway. Like Our Lady of the Roses. You just want ALL my sources. No way. Sorry. Try Psalm 25 - those who read the Bible will eventual receive enlightenment of the highest kind.
---frances on 2/26/08

I was reading my Roman Catholic Missal and looked at the reading of the American Bishops Translations in April one year. I have since lost track of the exact date. The two were totally different in meaning and more or less excused the Iraqi war. Such things I do not even look for, I just happened upon it. I believe it was a reading from 1 John 5. StrongAxe accused me of making fantastic claims without evidence.
---frances on 2/26/08

Yes, 1 John 5 verse 5 was completely stood on its head. The original RCC edition said that he who believes in Christ overcomes the world, as in has done so already, and the new translation said that he who believes in Christ has to go out and conquer the world in his name. It was subtle, but at the time we were waging war against innocent Iraqis. It made me very upset to see God's Word being twisted.
---frances on 2/26/08

StrongAxe, Hi and Bye.
Others, the Catholic Church is the mother of all the harlots. Ezekiel Ch 16. The Synagogue of Satan Revelation 2.9. The Bible has been altered by scribes as Jesus predicted and as Jeremiah knew very well in Ch8.8. Any Church that was created by Jesuits (whether you knew it or not) is a daughter of a harlot and herself a harlot.
---frances on 2/26/08

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Emcee, thanks for your concern. I am in a hurrry as it is 7.35 am here. Not worried or hassled. The behavioural sciences taught to many men and women by the Wheeler Institution and other Jesuit Universities, are not going to get you into Heaven. Nor are they going to worry me, I have the Bible as my main source.
---frances on 2/26/08

frances ... I can only comment on what I understand.
What Strong Axe said was that you never quote sources.
you thwen accused him of lying.
But you don't ever quote sources.
So StriongAxe was not lying.
You may have your reasons fro nver quoting sources, but that does not mean someone is lying when he says you don't quote sources
---alan_of_UK on 2/26/08


1. You mention "lies". Please tell me just what lies I have told about you. An accusation of "bearing false witness" is a very serious matter.
2. How is providing corroboration for your claims "a trap"?
3. I have searched this blog and found no mention of where you got some of your ideas, for example, of where Jesuits write the Pope's "ex cathedra" pronouncements, nor where you get the idea that the Word of God has been altered and perverted.
---StrongAxe on 2/26/08

Frances::I enter as a friend to still the troubled waters.A fight to the finish is no solution especially when heated. Calm down & pick the vulnerable spots,Love conquers all.He who loses his cool loses the affray.Peace LADY.
---Emcee on 2/26/08

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To give you a parallel, to show why I don't give sources. Once I paid a good amount of money to join a phone company for cheap calls. After many years I was sent a threatening letter, they said I had not paid a recent bill. I did not keep receipts, but as luck had it, that receipt was amongst my papers. So I copied and sent it in as proof. Then the lady said, 'Ah well, it is not just that bill, there are others.' At that point I left the company and lost my deposit.Some people are never satisfied.
---frances on 2/25/08

The RCC Church is the Whore of Babylon of Revelations, otherwise known as the bride of the Antichrist**

If this is so, what does that make her Protestant and Pop-evangelical daughters?

And did you know that "Ellen Gould White" adds up to 666?
---Jack on 2/25/08

Alan of Uk, I thought this was between me and StrongAxe, however since you have introduced yourself into the battle, let me tell you that

1. Lies plus truth equals a liar and perverter.
2. About sources I have explained ad nauseum that I won't fall for that trap.
3. I explained the places I get my info from and only the physically blind have any excuse for not going to them.
---frances on 2/25/08

I will give you a little bit of help, though, Alan. It is this statement: If you are not asking the right questions then you cannot hope to get the right answers.
---frances on 2/25/08

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You say I lied about you. If I said anything incorrect, please show me, and I will apologize. I loathe lies in every shape or form.

One statement I made about you, is that you make statements but do not state your sources so others can verify your claims. I am not alone in this. Many others have asked you to show your sources, but you have declined to do so.

I am all for truth. However, truth is established by 2 or 3 witnesses, not on the uncorroborated say-so of one person.
---StrongAxe on 2/25/08

**You came out from nowhere just throwing stones. You had not entered the blog and right away you attacked. **

In other words, asking for allegations to be substantiated with hard evidence is an attack.

I'm the one being attacked because Frances either cannot or will not back up her statements.
---Jack on 2/25/08

alan of uk- Your response is well taken. My comment was given in the context of the subject of this blog. I should have should have been more specific, that any religous organization....
---rs on 2/25/08

Frances ... I dont' think Strong Axe was lying when he said you never quote a source.
You have frequently refused.
---alan_of_UK on 2/25/08

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Jack, I believe Frances is correct in what she said to you. You came out from nowhere just throwing stones. You had not entered the blog and right away you attacked. Like we are all suppose to run and hide because you have arrived. If you have something to say to anyone of us, just ask one question at a time? You don't have to remind anyone you are not a Catholic, we already know that since you make sure you say that to everyone before you defend their faith.
---Mark_V. on 2/24/08

Frances ::It's lies that offend that is why they are called sins,TRUTH PREVAILS.Truth is integrity that is what Liars lack Integrity.Be careful or your integrity will be tarnished by what you write & say not in my eyes but in the eyes of HIM who is the creator.
---Emcee on 2/24/08

StrongAxe, your accusation is a lie. I feel no pressure to continue to consort with you further since you lie about me. You pervert what I say. So long.
---frances on 2/24/08

RS ... So the organisation that teaches you how to drive a car, or how to boil an egg, is antiChrist.
---alan_of_UK on 2/24/08

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The RCC Church is the Whore of Babylon of Revelations, otherwise known as the bride of the Antichrist. The multi or non-denominational Christian Church is a spiritual Church, under persecution from the other Church (RCC) and even may include Catholics. It is the true Bride of Christ, spotless and pure, being prepared for the Wedding Banquet where it will be presented stainless, having been purged of all imitators, to the Lamb of God.
---frances on 2/24/08

The Pope, who comes from a long line of Popes, who live from their appointment until their deaths as Pope, is the Seat of the Antichrist, the Beast in Revelations. The Second Beast in Revelations is the Jesuit Order under the Black Pope, who forces the people to worship the First Beast.
---frances on 2/24/08

The truth offends and upsets some people.
---frances on 2/24/08

Any individual or organization that does not teach what Christ taught is antichrist.
Matthew 12:30 "He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters."
---rs on 2/24/08

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I believe Christianity shows us that God expects us to love and respect each other. This remark seems to be inflammatory. What purpose does that serve, other than to offend? Why?
---Deb on 2/23/08

Frances::You appear to be puzzled by the truth you get disoriented by it.Your refusal to answer makes me wonder why? but I do pray for you lady.
---Emcee on 2/23/08

The current seat of the Papal or a future seat, I do not know.

A Roman legion numbered 6,000, so Legion could represent the 6,000 year lease.
Legion was asked to identify himself.
Was that to reveal a prophetic significance.
---Bob on 2/23/08

Frances, the evil Papal seat was installed by members of the tri-lateral commission under the direction of the Bilterburgers who, controlled by the Zionist illuminati,
lowered the seat into the Vatican with black helicopters. They sent in Men in Black under the control of the malevolent Black Madonna to scrub the Papal seat with Tidy Bowel spiked with mind altering drugs that make the Pope repeat silly things he heard on late night radio, this all to lead the world astray.
---MikeM on 2/23/08

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Of what sublime dignity is the office of the Christian priest ... He continues the essential ministry of Christ - he offers up again the same sacrifice of adoration and atonement which Christ offered on Calvary. No wonder that the name which spiritual writers are especially fond of applying to the priest is that of "alter Christus." For the priest is and should be another Christ. -- John A. O'brien, Faith of Millions , Our Sunday Visitor (1938), p. 271
---jerry6593 on 2/23/08

According to St. Ambrose, a priest, in absolving a sinner, performs the very office of the Holy Ghost in the sanctification of souls.--Alphonse de Ligouri, The Dignity and Duties of the Priest, Benziger (1888), p. 36
---jerry6593 on 2/23/08

"...the power of the priest is the power of the divine person, for the transubstantiation of the bread requires as much power as the creation of the world. ...thus the priest may be called the creator of the Creator..." -The dignity of the priesthood by Liguori, p. 33
---jerry6593 on 2/23/08


You call people here disingenuous, and say they misquote the Bible. I always quote chapter and verse (generally KJV because that's what people are most familiar with) to back up my assertions.

You are always making fabulous claims, and you say you read about them in many books and publications, yet you never once actually provide the name of any such book or publication so that anyone else can independently verify them. How can we know if they are true without corroboration?
---StrongAxe on 2/23/08

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.frances, I do not merge in here, as you falsely misjudge. But on the contrary I have been ministering on this blog for years, and my words are 100% true and inspired from the Holy Ghost, but you on the otherhand are judged a recent disser of my words from God which I post.
---Eloy on 2/23/08

Frances, the Jesuits have only been in existence since the 16th century.

Who wrote the Pope's ex-cathedra statements BEFORE the Jesuits?

And how many ex-cathedra statements have there been?

Do you even know?
---Jack on 2/22/08

Jack, if you really only have one name, then you came into the film towards the end and asked 'What is happening' and receive, from me, a long groan. If you really had been interested you would have come in earlier.
---frances on 2/22/08

Jack, you are like the reinforcement coming in when the warriors have already fought the battle. I need not start again with you. For all I know you are an alias for one of the names I already got attacked by. **

I use one name and one name only--Jack. No others. Period,

You clearly cannot substantiate a single thing you say.

At this point, if you came reciting John 3:16 to me, I'd not believe you had I not already read it for myself.
---Jack on 2/22/08

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Jack, you are like the reinforcement coming in when the warriors have already fought the battle. I need not start again with you. For all I know you are an alias for one of the names I already got attacked by. Morphing seems to be a trait among conspirators. Well, sorry I cannot answer each one of the manifestations you come as. I suggest you do your own research.
---frances on 2/22/08

Jack, the millions of lies, half-truths, propaganda lies, hoaxes, blackops, and perversions of the Bible would be impossible for anything but a computer to keep. **

In other words, you don't have an answer for this question either.
---Jack on 2/22/08

In answer to Ghost, it does not matter what Catholics believe. It is what the Pope believes and what the Jesuits believe that counts. The Pope and priests believe they are Christ's representative on earth, and mediators. The Pope believes he is God's mouthpiece. He believes in God all right. So does the devil - and trembles. Rebellion is the thing. They believe in taking the world in the direction that God forbids. The uniting of Politics and Religion against the God of the Old Testament.
---frances on 2/22/08

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