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Duane: I know that a lost person must be saved before going to heaven. The same as the backsliders must repent and ask God to forgive them of their sins. When a person converts over to Christ, they are turning from their sinful ways. But if that person backslides on God they are returning to their old life going back to their old ways. And they must make their way back to Christ and repent and do their first works over. There is more than just believing in Christ to be saved. Yes they must believe that he is real but God also has to put them under conviction from their sins. Without conviction from God, they can believe all they want and still die lost.
---Rebecca_D on 8/23/08


Sin leads to consequences, Jesus leads to abundant life.Keep your eyes upon him, and he will lead you away from sin. He is the payment for sin, but, do you want to abuse him, by sinning? His word says that if we love him, we will obey his commandments, and if we do this, we will not be bent toward sin.
---gayla on 8/17/08


Rebecca,
A lost unbeliever, must believe to be saved. (Faith cometh by hearing the word)
Salvation is a free gift, not of works.
Turning from sinful ways is the result of salvation, not the impossible requirement. Turning from sin is the fruit of our salvation.
Yes, The only thing mankind must do, is to believe in HIM to be saved. Its by grace, through faith alone. We turn to Christ to be saved. This is repentance(change of mind)
---duane on 8/16/08


Duane: I am not adding to the word of God. I got my information from the bible. A person has to do more than believing on God to be saved. Alot of people believe on and in God but yet they are sinners. Before I converted over to Christ, I believed in and what God could do, I've seen what God can do and has done. But that didn't make me a Christian. You said all men must repent, yes after they get saved and if they done something wrong against God. But a sinner can't repent because they never belonged to God to begin with. After one converts over to Christ, if they do something wrong they must repent of that wrong. This is where God's grace and mercy comes in.
---Rebecca_D on 8/15/08


Samual,
Repentance unto salvation is from God...HE will give us a change of mind. Once you receive it you will never doubt. Its total and complete. The way I believed and thought before, I no longer remembered or could remember. It was a miracle to say the least.
---duane on 8/14/08

Yes. Although I know doubt can happen. But your point about repentance beging from GOD is true. First GOD through the HOLY SPIRIT convicts of sin. GOD saves us. He comes after us.
---Samuel on 8/14/08




Samual,
Repentance unto salvation is from God...HE will give us a change of mind. Once you receive it you will never doubt. Its total and complete. The way I believed and thought before, I no longer remembered or could remember. It was a miracle to say the least.
---duane on 8/14/08


Rebecca,
Repent means to change or a new direction. Why do you add to the word of God by adding sin? There is only one way to overcome sin, that would be through the Cross. If mankind could overcome sin, then why the need of the Cross? Why the need of a SIN BEARER?

What must we do to be saved? Believe on HIM. What is the sin of the world? Unbelief in HIM.
All men must repent,but that means, turn to Jesus Christ in faith. There is no other way.
---duane on 8/14/08


We are saved through faith alone...Not when we repent of sin. The work of the Cross took care of sin. When we come to God in faith HE will give us a total CHANGE OF MIND. duane

We are saved (Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God, )

That change of mind is repentance. So if there is no change of mind then we have no faith. So your statment agrees that we must repent.
---Samuel on 8/13/08


Samuel, you said, "why do some people seem to think that Grace is an excuse to live in sin?"
Can you give one person that has said that? You have your own relationship with Christ, how can you tell what relationship someone else is having? In other words where do you get the idea that those who truely have grace for salvation are excusing themselves? Can you read their hearts? Can you know what they are thinking or doing? This is what you believe is happening. But you cannot possibly know someone's heart. You might see evidence of some who call themselves Christians, but you don't even know if they are saved to begin with. So you really know nothing for sure. And if you don't why do you say you do?
---Mark_V. on 8/13/08


Markv,

Ezekiel 11:19And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you,and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

That they may walk in my statutes,and keep mine ordinances,and do them:and they shall be my people,and I will be their God.

Sabbatians get we,under the N C keep Statutes and Ordinances written in our heart and mind...even the Sabbath Day of rest.

Ezekiel 11 announces the New Covenant and continues through out the whole book leading up to the earthly Kingdom.

This teaching leads to

Replacement Theology
Covenant Theology
Leading to Dominion Theology, teaching you can loose your salvation!!!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/13/08




Kathr, I still do not know what your point is. I don't understand what it is you are trying to say. Can you explain yourself what it is that you are saying by giving all the answers? What it is that you are trying to convince me about. Is it the Covenant? Is it just Israel with another Covenant? are you saying the Covenant already is in the past? Are you saying it is still to come? Are their two distinct Covenants, one for the Gentiles and another one coming for Israel? Don't know if you do not make your point clear. I know whatever it is you are trying to say is important to you somehow. It might not be that important to me, but I will do what I can to answer.
---Mark_V. on 8/12/08


We are saved through faith alone...Not when we repent of sin. The work of the Cross took care of sin. When we come to God in faith HE will give us a total CHANGE OF MIND.
---duane on 8/12/08


Duane: Yes if a person doesn't repent of their sin they will go to hell. Proof: Jesus commanded all to repent. Acts 17:30, Rev 2:5,16, 3:3. Repentance is necessary for the pardon of sin. Acts 3:19, 8:22. Bottom line Duane, the sinners/backsliders must convert over to Christ. One unrepented sin can cause a person not to go to heaven. When a sinner comes to Christ and when a backslider comes back to Christ, when they ask God to forgive them, it is a act of grace and forever freed from the guilt and penalty of their sins.
---Rebecca_D on 8/12/08


Why do some people seem to think that Grace is an excuse to live in sin? We are by Grace to die to sin.

Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

When we are In CHRIST JESUS we will not walk in sin. 1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Those who choose to hold onto sin are choosing to not follow JESUS.
---Samuel on 8/12/08


No repentance no salvation. The heart has to be contrite and wanting to turn from sin to holiness. If the heart is not contrite, there is no true Regeneration. The Holy Spirit convicts the unbeliever of his sin, and the person will repent. Repentance is a gift from God. That is why the Holy Spirit is credited with the conversion. 2 Tim. 25,26 says,
"God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will"
Job 4:4, "Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? There is not one." No one on his own can make himself clean. The Spirit by convicting the perons, able him to see his sin and repent.
---Mark_V. on 8/12/08


****Under the same Covenant that we are in, though the pouring of the Spirit has not happen for them yet, and only happens once they are born of the Spirit as we were.***

MarkV, when the pouring out of the Spirit comes on Israel AFTER the Great Tribulation..the Church...His Body will have been Glorified together with Him, and returning with HIM to reign and rule WITH HIM when Israel comes into her blessings.

They will SEE the Glory of the Lord.....however WE will be Glorified TPGETHER with Him. We are co-heirs w/ Christ...they are not.

WE won't be keeping statutes and ordinances as thy will. The Kingdom reign will be LAW....Kingdom Law...not Grace.
---kathr4453 on 8/11/08


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MarkV, Joel is Matthew 24...has NOT come to pass.....will be after the Days of God's Wrath and Vengeance..

Ezekeel 11:17
gather you from the people,
assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered,
will give you the land of Israel.

I will give them one heart,

will put a new spirit within you,

will take the stony heart out of their flesh,
will give them an heart of flesh:
That they may walk in my statutes,and keep mine ordinances,and do them:
and they shall be my people,
and I will be their God.

THIS IS NOT THE CHURCH!!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/11/08


Kathr, I went back and studied Jeremiah 30:7-24 and so on, and the same thing is said in those passages. "Alas! For that day is great So that none is like it, And it is the time of Jacob's trouble, But he shall be saved out of it." The time of Jacobs trouble is the period unprecedented difficulty for Israel, as the verse defines, is set in a context of Israel's final restoration. It is best equated with the time of tribulation vv. 8,9. Just before Christ's Second Advent, mentioned elsewhere in (Dan. 12:1, Matt. 24:21,22) and describe in detail by Rev. 6-19. Under the same Covenant that we are in, though the pouring of the Spirit has not happen for them yet, and only happens once they are born of the Spirit as we were.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/08


No Kathr, we are talking about the same event. Joel 2:38 "And It shall come to pass afterward that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh." The reference here is that "all flesh" is talking about "Your sons and daughters" in the context. All flesh best refers to "the house of Israel only. All other nations are the recipents of God's wrath, not the effusion of His Spirit, where He was speaking to Israel only at that time, now it includes all nations. chap. 3:2,9. That very Covenant is the one we are on now. Yet the time for Israel has not come yet. Which is future for them and present for us now.
---Mark_V. on 8/7/08


****Kathr, the gentiles were aliens to the commonwealth of Israel. They were outcast. They were also aliened spiritually because as a people they were cut off from God. They were without the knowledge of the Messiah, having no Savior, they were also excluded from God concerning the blessings God gave Israel at that time.****

Mark, neither Abel, Enoch, Job etc were of the Commonwealth of Israel either. Were and are they cut off from God? NO!!! Why, because the EVERLASTING Covenant of REDEEMER was promised in Genesis 3:15...

The Everlasting Covenant has never been revised and renewed. ONLY the NEW Covenant replaced the Law of Moses....Gentiles were never under THAT Covenant to begin with.

---kathr4453 on 8/7/08


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Mark, the Church is under the Everlasting Covenant. Under the Everlasting Covenant ****Hebrews 13:20 & 21 ****are many Covenants of Promise.

Since the Church was kept secret and revealed to Paul AFTER Pentecost, that was 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is given to those who Identify in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ...correct.

Now go to Joel, and and when the Spirit is poured out on ALL flesh ....what happens in History before this event ..AND has that time happened? BUT aren't we talking about the Holy Spirit and Two entirely different Pouring our of the Spirit?.....
---kathr4453 on 8/7/08


Kathr, the gentiles were aliens to the commonwealth of Israel. They were outcast. They were also aliened spiritually because as a people they were cut off from God. They were without the knowledge of the Messiah, having no Savior, they were also excluded from God concerning the blessings God gave Israel at that time. Gentiles were strangers from the covenants of promise in which He promise to give His people land, a priesthood, a nation, a kingdom, and a King to those who believed in Him. The gentiles had no hope because they had been given no promise. But the New Covenant in Eze which was future event, was going to included the Gentiles. The context of Ez. had no reason to mention gentiles since He was talking to Irael only at the time.
---Mark_V. on 8/7/08


If you dont repent of a sin, do you go to hell? No way! If the answer is yes, then you dont believe in the work of Christ. HE became sin for you. HE put sin away. Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness.
The hopeless flesh cannot turn from sin,(flesh and blood will always sin) BUT the flesh can turn to Christ. Christ is the answer.
---duane on 8/7/08


Kathr, are you saying that the Covenant talked about in Eze. is not the one we are in right now? Are you saying there is another covenant specially for Israel? And if you are saying there is another, can you direct me to where it says that? I think what you have done is taken the context of Eze, and allowed it to be only for Israel because the context was talking about them. But God said the New Covenant would be as He described it. The context of Eze. was not describing the blood of Christ. He had not been incarnated yet. They already knew the old law, the blood of animals that symbolize. Why would He have to give that reference in Eze? No reason at all what was already in their law.
---Mark_V. on 8/6/08


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****You are assuming the nation of Irael was saved, .****

Mark, this is exactly what I am saying...you cannot use Ezekiel 36 and extract only those choice words for the church and throw away the whole belonging to Israel. Absolutely the Church has never profaned the Lord. However Israel as a body belonging to the lord as a whole are His People.....and were dealt with as a WHOLE. When one sinned they were ALL punished......under a Theocracy.

Ephesians 2 clearly state, after saying "covenant "s" of Promise, that we are brought near by the BLOOD of Christ .

Where in Ezekiel 36 is the blood even mentioned?
---kathr4453 on 8/6/08


Brother Alan, welcome to the blogs. I love your passion for Christ. Thank you so much for coming on line and defending the faith. Praise be to God in whom all things hold together.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/08


yes, you will go to hell.
---selfa5593 on 8/6/08


Alan,
"Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity, but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." Romans 11:22.

Compare with Matthew 24:42_51.
---Nana on 8/6/08


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Of a sin. Seeing that Christ has died for all our sins, no is the answer.

We will, hear, get chastised for the sins we commit, but that is part and parcel of being children, the children of God. We are foolish children at the best of times, but still children and God is our Father.

If we are children expect the rod of correction not of damnation. We are loved so dearly of the Father and we love Him and He will never let us go, but always hold onto us as His dear ones, even as a parent takes pity upon a child, so does God upon us. Why? because He is God, a very, very loving God whom we do not deserve.
---Alan on 8/5/08


Kathr, You forget the Covenant talked about in Eze. is the New Covenant we now have. There is not another Covenant like this one again for Israel. You went away from the topic of your first question. No where in the Old Testement Covenants did God endwell the believers with the Spirit. I said Eph. 2 explained it even better. The first order of business for God is, to make us alive. We were dead to the thing of God. We could not save ourselves. We had no faith. He made us alive to Christ first. We didn't come alive by ourselves. He made sure to tells us that we are saved by Grace through faith. Not of ourselves. Calvinism and replacement thology are other topics.
---Mark_V. on 8/4/08


Kathr, first question, you say, "When did the Church prophene the name of the Lord among the heathen" answer: The Church is the body of true believers born of the Spirit, they do not prophene the name of the Lord, the lost do. That should answer your other questions. You are assuming the nation of Irael was saved, but they will be saved at a later time. So comparing them with the Church is wrong. The Bride will not be condemned. There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ. You are trying to put two things together which are not even close.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/08


MarkV,

Ezekiel 36: 22Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD,I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen,whither ye went.

So Mark V, When did the Church Profane the Holy Name of the Lord among the heathens..AKA Gentiles?


Jesus will present HIS BRIDE without Spot or wrinkleboth Jew and Gentile as a New Creation...but does the bridegoom speaking to his bride the way Ezekiel 36 speaks to Israel?

Does the Bridegroom rub in one's nose the fact they lost relationship with God through Adam's sin ??!!?? He comes to redeem AND rake us over the coals too? Or is this Israel due to THEIR disobedience?
---kathr4453 on 8/4/08


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Mark V...Ezekiel 36 is about ISRAEL, including the restoration of the Land......not the Church. You must take Ezekiel 36 with other scripture concerning ISRAEL and its special time in History..It will be when Israel says:
BLESSED is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Is the Church asked to say this?.

God's ELECT of Israel is based on His Promise to THEM. The lost during the Church age are not remnants waiting for THIS promise of Ezekiel 36.
We come through Calvary...a New Creation In Christ...Ezek 36 is the Earthly Kingdom w/land.


Calvinism has played a tremendous part in the false doctrine of Replacement Theology, using THIS as a basis of Election!!!!
Wrong Answer!!
---kathr4453 on 8/4/08


Hello Kathr, let me say that I believe we both agree with the condition of man while lost, right? Dead spiritually to the things of God, no faith, right?

If you go to Ez. 36:25-36 you will see the order of salvation as in Eph. 2. The promise of God is, First, He takes them then from among all the nations, (picks them) God then explains He is not doing for them but for Himself. Through them the nations will know about God. Second, He sprinkles clean water on them, (cleans them) make them a new creation. Third, He gives them a new Heart and put His Spirit in them. Fourth, He causes them to walk to His statues, (by faith). Fifth, He promises eternal security (v,30). Sixth, conviction of sin, v. 31.
---Mark_V. on 8/3/08


*****We must be born again BEFORE we have faith?
That's a new one for me. I think Ill leave this discussion for someone else.******

Mark V, this is what I meant by my last post. Abraham was not Born Again before he had faith. Born Again is being buried with Christ in Baptism and raised a New creation. Our Identification in death and resurrection life explained in Colossians 2. Our Spiritual Circumcision with Christ IS our Born Again Experience.

Romans states Abraham believed BEFORE Circumcision. Circumcision was given to Abraham as a SIGN...a sign of His faith .
Those who are of faith, are blessed with faithful Abraham. He is the example...

Therefore faith comes Before the Born Again experience.
---kathr4453 on 8/1/08


Kathr, I don't understand what you are trying to say by putting two complete different context, one in Romans and the other in Col. I know you are speaking of circumcission but how you connect them and for what reason. Can you explain? and I will answer you. Maybe your part one explained it, but it did not come out.
---Mark_V. on 7/30/08


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We must be born again BEFORE we have faith?
Thats a new one for me. I think Ill leave this discussion for someone else.
---duane on 7/29/08


Mark V Part 2

Romans 4:12
And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

Must give DEEP though here.....when he was yet uncircumcised

Now *****Colossians 2*** tells us for the Christian our Circumcision with the circumcision of Christ.....which parallels Abraham (in the cutting away of the Flesh) is our Born Again Experience.

This comes to those who IDENTIFY in His death and Resurrection life. The Holy Spirit is given to those who obey this truth
---kathr4453 on 7/29/08


In Ephesians chapter 5, verses 3-6 we see even Christian believers can't inherit the kingdom of God by continuing to wilfully practice sin, as in the letter to believers in Galatians chapter 5, verses 19-21. Also,we are told to "lay aside every weight and the sin that doth so easily beset us" in Hebrews chapter 1,verse 1, and later in Hebrews chapter 10, verses 26-31 talk about punishment for willful sin. In Hebrews chapter 12, verse 14 we are told to "follow peace with all men and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord." We won't see the Lord living in sin, but rather be "cut asunder with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping & gnashing of teeth."(Matthew 24:50-51)
---theresa on 7/29/08


When Jesus died on the Cross, He died for ALL humanity. Over 2000 years ago He died for every man and woman from the beginning of time to the end of time. Now I ask you this, when He was on the Cross did God distinguish which of your sins He would not forgive? Did God, the righteous Judge, decide at that moment, that only those sins that you and I committed before salvation are to be forgiven? Remember we weren't scheduled to be born until 2000 years later. He died for all our sins from the beginning of our life to the end of our life here on earth. God remembered our sins there, and then it says in Hebrews that He remembers our sins no more. How many times does He have to die to cover all your sins? One time should have done it.
---Debbie_Jo on 7/28/08


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Another way to help understand the criticality of asking Jesus into our hearts, in terms of hell, is that God sent us Jesus to save us from HIMSELF (GOD)! God is a jealous God, the one, true, uncreated, just, eternal God. Hell is real and the condemnation of sin against an eternal God is eternal punishment. ONLY through the blood of Jesus, accepting Him as the ONLY WAY to Heaven do we make it. Hell is eternal life, in complete absence from God, forever. Jesus warns more about hell than he talks about Heaven. Ever wonder why? When we (believers) die, God sees us THROUGH Jesus and therefore sees us worthy of heaven because we have accepted His grace through faith in Him alone. Those who've not accepted Jesus, are cast into hell, forever.
---John on 7/28/08


God who is perfect can NOT allow sin and imperfection into Heaven (near Him). If you do not repent of sin, then YES you DO go to Hell. When you repent of sin, that sin gets covered in the BLOOD of Jesus, and therefore is erased from your life (just as if you have never sined at all).
---Leslie on 7/28/08


When you were dead spiritually to the things of God, God had to bring you to life by the Holy Spirit. Otherwise you were blind, unable to see or understand the Word of God. You cannot come to Christ if you are blind to Christ. Not only did (God) give you life, He then gave you light so you could see, then He gave you faith in order for you to believe the gospel of your salvation. This is all of Grace. You didn't contribute anything. Once you could see, hear and understand, you saw your sin, because the Holy Spirit convicted you of what you had done against God and now you are able to ask for forgiveness and change your life. When you were lost, you didn't care about the sacrifice of Christ, only when you are saved can you understand it by faith.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/08


Another way to help understand the criticality of asking Jesus into our hearts, in terms of hell, is that God sent us Jesus to save us from HIMSELF (GOD)! God is a jealous God, the one, true, uncreated, just, eternal God. Hell is real and the condemnation of sin against an eternal God is eternal punishment. ONLY through the blood of Jesus, accepting Him as the ONLY WAY to Heaven do we make it. Hell is eternal life, in complete absence from God, forever. Jesus warns more about hell than he talks about Heaven. Ever wonder why? When we (believers) die, God sees us THROUGH Jesus and therefore sees us worthy of heaven because we have accepted His grace through faith in Him alone. Those who've not accepted Jesus, are cast into hell, forever.
---John on 7/28/08


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Duane, you don't come to Christ to be born again. You come to Christ and commit your life to Him because you are born again. You don't believe in order to be born again, you believe because you are born again. You just don't get it. You give the first clue with your first sentence, "We are saved by Grace through faith" We are not saved (born again) because we did anything, or believed anything. It was all of Grace. You need to read Eph. 2:1-13. Verse 1, "And you He made alive" you were spiritually dead to the things of God, no faith, No hope, no love for God, following the desires of your father the devil as we all were, and God had mercy on you and me.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/08


Duane, I think I'm understanding what you are saying....Jesus not only died for us, but the sin of the whole world. 1st John That is correct. In other words God is not a Calvinist....!

Nor am I. He shed His blood ONCE.... and for ALL.

It doesn't get any clearer then this. So with that understanding...yes, it is rejection of the Gospel that send people to Hell...just as 1st and 2nd Thessalonians says. Because they loved not the TRUTH that they might be saved.


With that I agree 100%. The sin debt has been payed in full. Now it's up to man to RECEIVE that FREE GIFT OF GRACE.
---kathr4453 on 7/28/08


# Luke 15:7
I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
John 5:14
Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you.
John 8:11he told Mary Magdeline~~
"Go and sin no more"- after she was saved
She obeyed.
I suggest we obey like that perfect example.
So yes, we need to repent of our sins, believe in Jesus have faith in Him and Trust in Jesus.
And pray for strength to keep that belief.
Stay close to the Lord, Put Him first everyday in all situations. Praise Him all the time. Pray unceasingly.
---Paul on 7/27/08


Who is going to hell?..Those not born again is the answer. We are saved by grace through faith.
Why would anyone want to come to God if already forgiven of sin? Answer, To receive life(salvation) You must be born again.
---duane on 7/26/08


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Kathr/ Mark,
For Christ died for sins once for ALL, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you TO God. HE took sin out of the way so mankind could come to God in faith to be born again...This is the good news...
How can a sinner/unbeliever repent(turn from sin) to be saved?? He cant. Its the Cross that reconciles mankind to God. We repent(turn to Christ) to have life(salvation). We must be born again.
---duane on 7/26/08


****Kathr,We are forgiven by HIS death, we are saved by HIS resurrected life****

Duane, the Bible says we are Justified by His Blood and only those forgiven can claim the Blood. , and saved by His Life.

I see no scripture saying we are saved by His death...although it took His death and resurrection to bring the message of the Gospel to mankind.

OT Saints were forgiven, as was David who said...Blessed is the man who's sins are forgiven...however Jesus had not gone to the cross at that time.

You might say OT Saints lived by Faith on Credit. We live by faith on debit...in other words....the money NOW is in the bank and we draw on it...OT Saints...lived on Credit until that day. Just an example...
---kathr4453 on 7/25/08


Duane, the very purpose of the gospel is to teach the good news. The good news is that all man have sinned against God and are in need of forgiveness. Repent from the sins against God and turn to Christ. If they have a contrite heart they will repent of what they have done against God and turn to Christ. They are saved from the wrath of God to come if they do repent. Why would anyone have a need for Christ if they are already forgiven of their sins? Saved from What? already reconciled, already forgiven, no one would turn to Christ. What for? The lost don't love Him, they don't believe in Him, they do the desires of their father the devil, and you are saying they are all forgiven and reconciled to God. Then who is going to hell?
---Mark_V. on 7/25/08


Amen Gabriel. Repentance and salvation go hand in hand. Repentance is a part of our submission to the Lord's salvation recognizing as sinners we need to acknowledge this, repent of our sins and receive Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord, by confessing him with our mouth, believing in our heart that God raised Him from the dead, and then walk in newness of life!! Hallelujah!(Luke chapter 5, verse 32, Romans chapter 10, verse 9, Romans chapter 6, verse 4, Romans chapter 7, verse 6)
---theresa on 7/25/08


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Kathr,
Father forgive them, they know not what they do. Who did Christ say this to? Were they saved? THEY spit on HIM and HE still forgave them. This is how Christ forgives, without conditions.This is love.
---duane on 7/25/08


Correct. Repentance is the key to salvation. John came baptizing saying "repent for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand".. If you do not repent of the evil you have committed against Jesus you will be subject to His righteous wrath and judgment.
---Gabriel on 7/24/08


****We must understand thou, that forgiveness of sin does not mean salvation.***

Duane......God has never forgiven anyone and not saved them, and God has never saved anyone He has not forgiven. You can't separate the two. We're saved from wrath to come BECAUSE we are forgiven.
---kathr4453 on 7/24/08


Kathr,We are forgiven by HIS death, we are saved by HIS resurrected life. If Christ has not risen, your faith is in vain.Yes we are saved from sin(death), salvation is life.
---duane on 7/24/08


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Kathr,What is the sin of the world?....Unbelief in HIM..The sin of no forgiveness.All men must believe on HIM to be saved.
Jesus came to put away sin, so we can come to God through faith.
---duane on 7/24/08


Mark,
Why would you say I dont believe in repentance? Thats false. You know all men must turn to Christ to be saved. There is no other way. Your probably thinking mans repentance of sin to be saved. Cant be done.
A sinner will stay a sinner without the cross. As far as Judas goes, Im sure He is forgiven. Why judge another?
---duane on 7/24/08


****We must understand thou, that forgiveness of sin does not mean salvation.***

Duane, This is not correct. I thought salvation is being saved from sin.

Peter states:

1 Peter 4:18
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

We are declared Righteous before God because we have repented and placed our faith in the ONLY Righteous one. It's HIS Righteousness we have...not our own. So how do we come by His Righteousness? and others do not?


Obviously there are still ungodly sinners among us....tares, goats etc. The wrath of God is coming upon WHO...no one?
---kathr4453 on 7/24/08


Duane, no matter how it is explained to you, so long as you keep refusing to listen, no statement will do for you. Which is ok for you, but not ok for anyone who really wants to know if they are reconciled to God through by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. If you think repentance is not necessary either, and if you think all are forgiven, then you will have to live believing that Satan was forgiven, the demons are forgiven, Juda's is forgiven and the wicked, and that they are going to heaven. Just not Scriptural.
---Mark_V. on 7/23/08


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We are saved by believing in our heart that Christ died in our place and took the penalty due us for (a lifetime of) our sins and also that He rose again for our justification - our righteous standing (throughout eternity) in Him who died. We are saved by confessing these facts that we now believe. When we do that, then God imparts Jesus' own righteousness to us, He imparts His favor to us and declares us to be sons just as Jesus is a son. Rom. 10:9, 5:17, II Cor. 5:21. God said, those that don't receive the eternal righteousness that the Father gave us for believing in His Son, "they are ignorant of God's righteousness," They are "going about to establish their own righteousness." Rom 10:3.
---Debbie_Jo on 7/23/08


Mark,When the saved(we) were unsaved(enemies), the saved(we) were reconciled to God. That sentence makes no sense.
---duane on 7/23/08


In Luke chapter 13, verses 3 & 5, the Lord says "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."
---Theresa on 7/22/08


We can't forgo repentance.In II Peter Chapter 3, verse 9 the Word says "The Lord......... is longsufferring to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." In Acts chapter 17, verse 30 ..it says "God commandeth men everywhere to repent." In Rev. Chapter 3,verse 19 he says "As many as I love, I rebuke & chasten, be zealous therefore & repent."
---Theresa on 7/22/08


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Duane, Romans 5:10, First, 5:1, Context: Paul speaking to believers, "Therefore, having been justified by faith, "we" have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ" Now verse 10, "For if when "we" were enemies" (while lost) "we" were reconciled to God through the death of His Son," "We" is believers, and were reconciled to God when "we' believed by faith. Verse 11, "And not only that, but "we" also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom "we" have now received the reconciliation." The lost receive reconciliation when they too come to Christ and become "We" (saved).
---Mark_V. on 7/22/08


Yes we should repent, not just say we are sorry, but truly repent. But we should not repent because of fear of hell, nor should we repent for the rewards of Heaven. We should repent because we adore our Lord, because we know we have done something against His law. For His laws are for our benefit, not for His. He has no need of anyone or anything, yet He has chosen us...mankind for His Divine love. Adoreing our Lord should be our lifes work. Not worrying about Heaven or hell.
---wayne on 7/22/08


There is but one way to heaven, by grace through faith. By the grace of God we are forgiven, but do we believe? OR are we still struggling along still trying to get forgiven, day by day.
It is finished
---duane on 7/22/08


Rebecca,
You must know forgiveness of sin ALONE, doesnt get anyone into heaven. You must believe in HIM who HE has sent. We are saved by HIS resurrected life.
---duane on 7/22/08


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Duane: By your logic, everyone is forgiven without even asking. Even Judas, whom betrayed Jesus. With your way of thinking, even the sinners/backsliders are going to heaven. Jesus did pay the price for sins, but it is up to each person to accept him and to invite him into their heart, or otherwise they are hell bound forever. If I done something wrong to someone it is my responsibility to swallow my pride and ask them to forgive me. If I don't ask them to forgive me, I won't be forgiven by that person. The same way with Christ, if a person doesn't repent and turn away from those sins they are not forgiven. You have not because you ask not. They don't have salvation because they don't ask for salvation.
---Rebecca_D on 7/22/08


Let me explain: Repenting of ones sins will not get you to heaven. Only Jesus' Blood will get you to heaven. If God convicts you of sin, then you will want to repent. I find people who seems to believe that there is more than one-way to heaven. These people will end up in hell. Jesus died on a cross, His Blood was spilt. Do not ever mock this.>>>Please.
---catherine on 7/22/08


Mark,
You need to read romans 5:10 ...
---duane on 7/21/08


Duane, Of course He died for the sinner. All men after Adam are sinners. Your second sentence is wrong. "We are all forgiven, reconcile before salvation" "The we" is only believers.

Only those who believe by faith are reconciled and forgiven. All the others still owe a debt. Duane, if they are all forgiven and reconciled to God already before been saved, why are so many going to hell? And what right would God have to judge them, and on what grounds, if they are all forgiven? Sorry Daune, that is called "Universalism" That everyone is going to be saved. There is a heaven and there is a hell even when many say their isn't.
---Mark_V. on 7/21/08


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While we were yet sinners HE died for us. What did Christ die for? Answer, The forgiveness of sin. He died for the sinner,not the righteous. We are all forgiven/reconciled before salvation. The work of the Cross is finished, why are you still asking for it?? Jesus put sin away, so mankind COULD come before a righteous God in faith to be saved.
---duane on 7/20/08


Yes. If you don't not repent of your sins you do go to hell. Now you can't just go through the motions and not feel it in your heart. You have to truly want to be forgiven of the sin. If you don't feel it pray about it and ask Jesus to give you a repenting heart to open your own eyes to the wrong you have done. Of course we can't go through our lives and repent of every sin one by one. So just ask him to forgive you for every sin. Though when you are born again you are to strive everyday to turn from sin. If you find it difficult as we all do , pray to Jesus he can deliver you from them.
---dayce on 7/20/08


God does not send ANYONE to hell..not one. It is us..we..that choose..we send ourselves to hell. Believe on the Lord Jesus..you will be saved..choose. It is up to you.
---melanie on 7/19/08


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