Andrea: Regardless of your concerns regarding its origin, the core doctrine in the BoM is that we must come unto Christ to be saved, for we have all sinned and Christ is the only being who can cleanse that sin. As stated in Alma 21:9: "There could be no redemption for mankind save it were through the death and sufferings of Christ, and the atonement of his blood." Jesus Christ is the sole source of redemption and salvation! |
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---Deen on 11/21/07 |
Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon
he also married 33 women
11 still married to other men
impregnated his adopted daughter (age 16)
didn't tell his wife he was a polygamist for a long time
church hid polygamy for years
JSmith was killed in a gun battle he killed another man
He said Indians were lost tribe of Isreal - been proven a fraud by DNA evidence
what else do you people need???? |
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---Andrea on 11/21/07 |
Aaron: First note that the BoM teaches that Christ is completely different from ANY of us because he is the "ONLY Begotten of the Father." See, for example, Jacob 4:11 which states: "Be reconciled unto God through the sacrifce of Christ, his ONLY Begotten Son" (Jacob 4:11). The message that Christ is the ONLY Begotten of God permeates the BoM. It means he is our God and Lord. We can ONLY be saved through him. |
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---Deen on 11/16/07 |
Aaron: Second, note that Christ took upon himself a tabernacle of clay and dwelt among men. Because he did, Paul testifies that he is "touched with the feeling of our infirmities, and was in all points tempted as we are" (Hebrews 4:15). So yes, "God was once as we are now." That is, he took upon himself flesh and blood. BUT, he is without sin and we are not. He was the Word who was with God, who came from God, and who WAS God (see John 1), and we are not. |
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---Deen on 11/16/07 |
Elder, omnipotent means "all" powerful. Christ is all powerful in many ways. Perhaps most importantly, in that it's only in and through Christ our Lord (Master and Redeemer) that we can be saved. We can't "earn" our way to heaven on our own through good works. As the last page of the BoM reads: "If you deny not Christ's power, then are ye sanctified in Christ by the GRACE of God, through the shedding of the blood of Christ." |
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---Deen on 11/16/07 |
OK Deen, tell us where this Jesus you speak of came from.
Please explain what Lord means and Omnipotent also.
Do you believe that as He is you shall be and as you are He once was? |
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---Elder on 11/15/07 |
Joseph Smith taught that God was once a human being like us, and became God:
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret... It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God and to know...that he was once a man like us..." (from the "King Follett Discourse" TJS 342-343, also JoD 6:3-4) |
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---aaron on 11/15/07 |
Elder, keeping the blog's focus on the BoM, the following BoM verse might clarify what the book teaches about Christ: "For behold, the time cometh, and is not far distant, that with power, the Lord Omnipotent who reigneth, who was, and is from all eternity to all eternity, shall come down from heaven among the children of men, and shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay." (Mosiah 3:5). As indicated, the book testifies he is the Lord God Ominipotent from "all eternity to all eternity." |
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---Deen on 11/15/07 |
Deen why does the Mormons believe that Jesus is a created being? Why believe that you can also become a god with your own universe? How about the spirit children issue? The protective underwear is another issue. Then the correct meaning of biblical words like Redemption, Salvation ect issues.
If the Mormons want to be called Christians so much why don't they drop all the false lies and become Christians? |
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---Elder on 11/14/07 |
Kraus: I agree Galatians 1:8 is a central point here. The key issue then becomes whether the BoM is preaches the same gospel or a different gospel. The core doctrine in the BoM is that we cannot be redeemed without "unshaken faith in Jesus Christ, relying wholly upon the merits of him who is mighty to save," and "there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved." (2 Nephi 31: 19, 21). Is this message the same or different from the message in the Bible? |
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---Deen on 11/14/07 |
Elder, you indicate the BoM is wrong because it doesn't recognize Christ as the all-mighty Creator. But there are many verses in the BoM like this one: "And he shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning, and his mother shall be called Mary." Mosiah 3:8. These verses don't simply sound like good moral thoughts. They witness that Christ is the Eternal God of heaven and earth.
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---Deen on 11/14/07 |
Darlene, you are most welcome. An updated edition of Mr. Shields' book is coming out next year. |
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---John1944 on 11/14/07 |
This is a man made religion and has no foundation at all to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It's about the man Joseph and his great(EVIL) idea to start a religion that exhaults his name and beliefs. Stick to the word of God (HOLY BIBLE) Greek/Latin translations for the truth. |
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---Carla5754 on 11/14/07 |
dean- it doesnt matter that the BOM may encourage good values. my book says Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
the whole basis of the book is "another gospel of Jesus Christ" what ever else it is, its in direct oppoisition of the Bible. |
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---Kraus on 11/14/07 |
John,thanks so much. You helped me expand my knowledge a bit more and yes it was interesting to find out more about the Mormon Church,to me, especially because my cousin married a Mormon, & my husbands cousin was married to one. The last one and I talked a lot about our differing beliefs. Usually one only hears about their many wives,her grandfather had 3. The most interesting was how they keep a ledger of all answered prayer to pass down in the family for encouragement for future generations. |
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---Darlene_1 on 11/14/07 |
Deen, your statement would sound persuading to those who do not know anything about the Mormons.
Yes, much is spoken about Jesus but who does the Mormons say He is? They say He is a created being and brother of Satan.
The Bible says He is the creator and All Mighty God. Maybe you have been tricked and don't understand. The Mormon Jesus will do you no good. You will die lost trusting the "other Jesus" of the Mormon "faith." |
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---Elder on 11/14/07 |
Darlene, you are correct in all you wrote in your response to me. Mr. Shields has been a bishop in The Community of Christ, formerly known as the Reorganized LDS Church. They publish his book, which is actually fascinating reading. The RLDS church rejected polygamy and has no secret temple rites. Blessings to you! |
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---John1944 on 11/14/07 |
John, I found several sources on Internet which referred to the Book,the Restoration plus Mormon Church History. It did say there were many Mormon Sects which pulled away fron the main Church of Mormon,but were still all Mormon Churches although doctrines changed. They weren't actually other Denominations and none listed any main stream churches as having formed from Mormonism. I assume the author of the book was Mormon since book was recommended by some Mormon sites. Glad to know you aren't Mormon. |
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---Darlene_1 on 11/13/07 |
John,thank you for the information I will try to find the book. I am most interested to see what it says. |
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---Darlene_1 on 11/13/07 |
Whatever the views regarding its origin, the BoM constantly encourages readers to believe in Christ, e.g., "We talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, ... so that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins." (2 Nephi 25:26). The book is filled with verses like this (see, e.g., Alma chapter 36 where the whole chapter indicates we are sinners and can only be saved through Christ). |
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---Deen on 11/13/07 |
Darlene, here is the source you asked me for, a book: Divergent Paths of the Restoration, by Steven L. Shields, a historian. By the way, I am not a Mormon. Blessings to you. |
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---John1944 on 11/13/07 |
Sorry,John 1944, but I don't believe for a moment there are 300 Denominations who use the Book of Mormon as scripture. May I please have the source of that information? If they are branches of the Mormon Church they wouldn't count as another Denomination. |
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---Darlene_1 on 11/13/07 |
although the mormons have split into as many as 300 sects - mormons are considered a religion not a christian denomination.
So they have 300 sects that use the BOM in Mormonism.
They call their god(s) Jesus ftather HS but they are literally from another planet (Kolob) |
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---Andrea on 11/13/07 |
I find this statement outrageously shocking to me!!
"There are some 300 denominations that use the Book of Mormon as scripture.
---John1944 on 11/12/07"
Folks, this is an indication of how far and how fast we are falling. The apostate churche is not coming, as my friend said, the apostate church is here now!!! |
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---Mima on 11/13/07 |
There are some 300 denominations that use the Book of Mormon as scripture. |
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---John1944 on 11/12/07 |
The BOm has had over 4000 changes and they are making a major one this year. It is a story book 1/3 of it is the KJV bible with typo errors, brackets and all |
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---Andrea on 11/12/07 |
No other Christian groups? Can you name one that does? The Mormon Church certainly is not a Christian church. It is a religion that throws the name of Jesus around but so do other non-christian religions. |
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---Bruce5656 on 6/3/07 |
Yes. Because it's not Christian. Dan has numerous, informative posts on here. Read them all. BOM is plagiarized from the Bible in many places, rest is a fictious story. Mormons believe they are "New Jews", married in heaven, "gods", and Jesus is the brother of satan. Many other falsehoods too numerous for 85 words. |
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---Rachel on 8/9/06 |
All Christian groups accept the Bible as the SOLE authority of their faith. |
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---ralph on 7/27/06 |
The reasons for this are many. If one accepts BoM, then there are MANY other books one is bound to accept.
Joseph Smith was a good story teller who, like sience fiction wroter L Ron Hubbard created his own religion, Scientology. Many deluded souls fell into both.
See the blog for more details http://christianblogs.christianet.com/1141963245.htm#1153628965158160 |
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---John_T on 7/22/06 |
The Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible because it is man-made. |
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---Susie on 7/21/06 |
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