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Unconditional Support For Israel

Do you favor unconditional support for Israel?

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I always pray for and support Israel. I disapprove when innocent civilians are killed.My suport for Israel is unconditional in a sense because I know Gods position on Israel
---pkay on 5/9/08

Salvation is only through the Son of God Jesus Christ, there is no name whereby we can be saved except Jesus the Son of God, His name is above every name in heaven and earth, the early Christians were crucified for preaching what I just said I will not let their blood be in vain.
and neither will Jesus.
---Exzucuh on 3/13/07

We need to preach Jesus to the Jew and the Arab the Arab confesses that Jesus was a prophet but the Jew denies him and is Antichrist, I will not join myself to an Antichrist no matter what he calls God.
---Exzucuh on 3/13/07

Amen Khadijah.
---augusta on 3/13/07

Thanks Augusta :)
I pray for the peace of all of the middle East, particularly Palestine/Israel. I pray that God will bless every Muslim, Jew and Christian who works for peace and understanding. Jews and Muslims in particular have so much in agreement. We worship the same God (gonna be shot down for saying that). I hope we will soon live in peace once more.
---Khadijah on 3/13/07

Good posts, Khadijah.

"[The Torah] forbids us to strive for the reunion or possession of the land by any but spiritual means." - Rabbi S. R. Hirsch

"We are opposed to the ideology of Zionism, a recent innovation... In addition to condemning the central heresy of Zionism, we also reject its policy of aggression against all peoples."

-Neturei Karta Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism
---augusta on 3/13/07

Khadijah, I serve a God who is able to number the hairs on every persons head. Lk 12:7. God has no problem knowing who is and who is not a decendant of Hagar. I cannot answer the eviction question because I am not God. But I do know that when God gave the children of Isreal the land in the first place: He stopped the Jordan they walked in on dry ground, He had a no prisioner policy Dt 20:16-17 and he expected total obedience. Josh 7 & 8
---MARK on 3/12/07

Some books for you to get a bit more aware of the situation:

Christians And a Land Called Holy: How We Can Foster Justice, Peace, And Hope by Charles P. Lutz & Robert O. Smith

Whose Land? Whose Promise?: What Christians Are Not Being Told About Israel and the Palestinians: by Gary M. Burge

Christian Zionism: Road-Map to Armageddon? by Stephen R. Sizer
---Nuts on 3/12/07

Mark, just to clarify:
If a Jew converted to Christianity 2000 years ago and his decendants were been living in Palestine ever since - (of course now known as an Arab). Does God really now consider him to be a descendant of Hagar? Is it right to evict a Christian from his historic land simply because of his race? Maybe the land will be given to a Israel who may have been born in America who may not even believe in God?
Is that logical? Is that moral?
---Khadijah on 3/12/07

'When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God. Leviticus 19:33-34
---Khadijah on 3/12/07

"Be not deceived God is not mocked"...Gal 6:7 God promised the land to Abrahams offspring, Gen 15:18-21 namely Isaac. Gen 17:20-21, 21:9-12. The land promised (by God) to His people was (is) much larger than the nation of Israel is today.

The best support we can give Israel is prayer.
Yes, I support Israel unconditionally.

ps. the Arabs may not trace their ancestory back to Hagar but God does.
---MARK on 3/12/07

Jews have lived in muslim majority lands for centuries. Even while they were being percecuted in the 'western' lands. Zionism may have killed this relationship permanently. The ethinic cleansing of arabs has fulled a lot of hatred. But there is hope if the palesinian situation is resolved and the Palestinian people get freedom once more. There is actually a Jewish school in England where half the pupils are muslim. This could be the future. We hope so.
---Khadijah on 3/12/07

I have heard Young Muslims disrespect Jews and their belief is that we are all infidels, because we support Israel. Now how are we going to go on the assumption that Muslims just want to live at peace with the Jews, When it is clear that they have been fighting from time for the land God gave the Jews. How can the land be shared when both faiths are in opposition of each other. The most we can do is pray for peace. But for how long?
---Carla5754 on 3/12/07

All 'arabs' do not trace their ancestry back to Hagar. The term 'arab' refers simply to the fact that they speak arabic. Therefore in africa you will find 'arabs' with nubian and 'black' ancestors, in North africa 'arabs' with berber ancestors. In palestine 'arabs' with jewish&other origins. Not all jews are 'pure race' either. I find it amazing that you would blindly support someone opposed to your brothers and sisters 'in Christ' living in their own land on the basis of your own misguided anthropology.
---Khadijah on 3/12/07

Im trying to show you cant divide it down to an issue of race. Arab origins are not as clear cut as 'They are all the children of Hagar'. Palestinians are a Semitic people descended from Abraham: the descendants of Ishmael &his 6 brothers and the descendants of Isaac who became Christian and later many became Muslim. They have remained in Palestine since the time of Jesus& before. The land was promised to Abrahams offspring (Gen 12), and the existence of the Palestinians shows the promise is true.
---Khadijah on 3/12/07

Even if Issacs decendants were the only ones to get the land and everyone else was to get out. Palestinians still could qualify for the promise. From a humanitarian point of view,to judge someone by their race be it Jewish, Black, white or Arab, is called racism. Arabs are not some sub-human race without feelings, hopes or faith. I've heard the most disgusting comments from Christians about arabs. I hope in some small way to counteract some preconceptions and let you also love the arab people.
---Khadijah on 3/12/07

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Even I was wrong and Israel is for Jews. Should Israel be supported unconditionally (ie. No matter how Palestinans are treated)? The land is ultimately Gods and he issued the conditions: 'When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God. Leviticus 19:33-34
---Khadijah on 3/12/07

I realise the Christian right has a massive effect on USA policy. Its anyones right to like Israel, but if you have a child you love it by keeping it on the right path, not by letting it do anything it wants. The answer is not blind support for one side, but loving and prayerful calls for justice for BOTH sides. I also promote understanding for Jewish people and hope for the restoration of the historical bond between Jews and Arab Muslims&Christians that has been so damaged by the founding of Israel.
---Khadijah on 3/12/07

---Khadijah-- crazy or not I unconditionally support the state of Israel. Because I know what God has said about Israel. They are his people, they are the chosen, all Arabs trace their ancestry back to a slave woman. Because of all the above I can do no less than offer unconditional support for the state of Israel. By the way many Catholics will disagree with me, they themselves are not Arab but the Catholic Church is very anti-Israel.
---Mima on 3/11/07

There's nothing wrong with supporting a country - but unconditionally? Thats crazy. Do you support taking of land, uprooting of olive and orange groves, poisoning of the wells of Arab Christians your brothers and sisters in faith (or arab muslims who are still your brothers in humanity)? I'm sure not. Google 'Christian Peacemaker teams' they have a website. Lebanon is an independent democracy with a strong Christian population.
---Khadijah on 3/11/07

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Lebanon 2006:
Lebaneese killed by IDF: 1,123 lebaneese ( estimated 50% civilians,336 children )
Israelis killed by Hezbollah: 119 IDF, 43 civilians (including 18 arab israelis)

Israel/Palestine 2006:
Israelis killed by Palestinian militants: 23 (17 civilians)
Palestinians killed by IDF: 660 (322 non-combatants&civilians, 141 children)

Since 2000 at least 603 Palestinian and 112 Israeli children (under the age of 18) have been killed (B'Tselem. Source BBC).
---Khadijah on 3/11/07

There are no innocent sides in this conflict. The promise to Abraham's descendants was conditional on justice being done in the land. Many Jewish organisations calling for peace and justice, for ALL (like the Shalom Centre), Christians should follow their example. Some of the Palestinians are descendants of Isaac who later became Christian and Muslim, ALL have a right to be there on their ancestral lands.What is the world needs is justice and reconciliation, not blind unconditional support for Israel.
---Khadijah on 3/11/07

Yes we should be supporting Israel and we should also be supporting Christians suffering hardship and persecution wherever they are in the world, through whichever organizations can best get aid to them.
---M.P. on 7/24/06

"The Lebanese are not the enemy. How could one find a way to help them?"

Franklin Graham is taking up donations for them through his Samaritan's Purse site.
---augusta on 7/24/06

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I have no sympathy for the country of Lebanon. It is now a base for Muslim terrorists.

But Lebanon is unique in the Middle East because, when they were an independent state, the majority were CHRISTIAN. They even had tranmitters on their southern border (as close as Irael would allow)for beaming Gospel programs to the Jews.
Though Muslim terrorists have taken over, there are still many Christian Churches there. And as a previous post stated, those Christians are in great need.
---Donna2277 on 7/23/06

You play with trash, you get it in your eye. Lebanon has no business harboring terrorists. Hiding missiles in residential areas. Tsk tsk. Brave aren't they. Yes, I unconditionally support Israel!!
---Nellah on 7/23/06

The Lebanese are not the enemy. How could one find a way to help them?
---Donna2277 on 7/22/06

Yes, I think we need to support them. It is commanded in the Bible that we bless them and pray for them.

They are the only functional Democracy in the Middle East. Smaller than the state of New Jersey, they are surrounded by well financed enemies, many of which have sworn to "wipe them off the face of the earth"

We, the United States, are their only alli on the globe. And they may be our only dependble one.
---Donna2277 on 7/22/06

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Are any of your churches aiding the Christians in Lebanon?

The Melkite Church there has reported that the whole of Galilee is practically shut down. Most of them can't go to their jobs and they have children to feed. They said atleast 30 families are in immediate need of assistance.

Plus, unlike the Jews, they have no bomb shelters for protection so it's only going to get worse.
---augusta on 7/22/06

---Amy9384 on 7/22/06

Israel is God's Chosen People! We had better support them, if, we know, what is good for us!
---Ruby on 7/22/06

By the way, if anyone thinks that going to war is not Biblical, read the Old Testament.
---Susie on 7/21/06

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Yes. The Israel government is the only one which stepped in when Americans (and others) were held captive years ago after an airline hijacking. They have the guts to finish the job.
---Susie on 7/21/06

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