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Ancient Psalms Manuscripts Found

Ancient manuscripts of Psalms have been found in Ireland. And they open with Psalm 83! Do you see any significance considering that and the timing of the find?

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7/26/06 - this was a real news story - chilling in a bog in Ireland after 1200 yrs -

Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation, that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. (Psalm 83:1-4)
---Andrea on 10/3/07


EVERYONE should seek information before making assumptions or comments not based in truth! Both API and CNN have accounts of this 'find'; check the details. pkay's phrase 'they open with' is a poor choice of words. CNN stated "The book was found open to a page describing, in Latin script, Psalm 83." It's also rather small, about 20 pages between its "leather velum binder", so we'll have to wait to see what the book is supposed to be about; which may take years!
---danie9374 on 10/2/07


I don't know if the story is true or not, but if I recall correctly, Irish monks were heavily involved in copying manuscripts before the invention of the printing press. It wouldn't be surprising if some hid some manuscripts away during periods of trouble.
---lorra8574 on 3/29/07


It is probably not true. What on earth would they be doing in Ireland?
---Helen_5378 on 3/29/07


At this point, all we know is that the MS begins with Psalm 83 (LXX numbering, 84 Hebrew).

WHAT the MS is--theological work, service book, psalter--has not yet been determined.

My sources say it could date to the 800's.

All Eastern theologians (not under Rome) took the passages about Israel and applied them to the Church, too. What does that tell you?
---Jack on 7/31/06




If anyone is wondering, 'Why might someone back in the 800-1000's be writing about Ps.83?' they need to realize that almost every RCC theologian (few others at that time) and even most Reformers much later, would often apply verses that speak only about Israel directly to the Church! Thus this isn't something odd for them to have been writing about at all. The general consensus was, 'God's done with the Jews, they messed up one time too many, now all His promises to them are for the Church.'
---danie9374 on 7/30/06


[-4-] EVERYTHING in your life, not just this one particular news story. Though Helen_5378's reaction was very much the opposite of most ("prob. not true" etc.) nor based on enough information, I wish all Believers would be more cautious before 'jumping to conclusions' about events in our lives; or even what they read in the Bible!
---danie9374 on 7/30/06


[-3-] I think some Christians at various times in their lives mix-up the Bible's concept of having faith in Christ for salvation and living in Him (which is to be based upon His historical life, death, resurrection; the witnesses, etc. plus the radical changes the Spirit makes in our lvies) and some man-made concept of faith through only our experiences; which can be easily manipulated, erroneous or downright false. That's obviously something to keep in mind for... [cont.]
---danie9374 on 7/30/06


[-2-] 'Not a coincidence'--Nellah. But why? UNLESS there's a clear prophecy in Scripture telling us a specific event was foretold by God or important to His plans, or was merely some person's intended result(s) they set in motion (which could also be both; e.g., Christ's death), all else in life really is coincidental. People have always had an amazing (or amusing!) gift to associate bits of info and events; whether they lead to something truly helpful and truthful, or not!
---danie9374 on 7/30/06


[-1-] Although some of the very first reports from Ireland called this a Psalter, EVERYONE should note the crucial word in later and more accurate reports: "open to a page, describing Psalm 83" (they did not state 'copy of' nor 'book of')! We have no new facts, but there'll likely be thousands who think they can declare this some sign from God based purely on 'sensationalism'; if not false prophets eager to make money telling you what you want to hear.
---danie9374 on 7/30/06




News said a copy of Psalm 83 approximately 800 years old. I may be wrong on the age. It was in a bog and a man found it. Odd that it was Psalm 83. About God's enemies being destroyed and to set up His kingdom of peace. Not a coincidence.
---Nellah on 7/29/06


mikeM--I suppose it depends on what you mean by "ancient".

1200 years is pretty old for a MS, if you ask me.

Of course, I realize this dates only to the so-called Dark Ages (a purely Western phenomenon). Does that qualify an ms to be labeleld "ancient"?
---Jack on 7/29/06


Helen, why should NOT ms containing Psalms have been found in Ireland--and be over 1000 years old?

Ever hear of the Book of Kells? It's a richly illuminated and illustrated Gospel book produced in Ireland in the 800's.
---Jack on 7/28/06


Its not that ancient, dating around 800ad. Nuff said.
---mikeM on 7/28/06


I'd like to know a little more about it before I decide anything. I saw a quick blurb about it on the news; that's all.
---Jack on 7/28/06


This has to be one of the funniest posts I've read yet! This is just another example of someone telling a story! Oops! I mean rumor!
---Susie on 7/28/06


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\2\ put their experiences (either real or just imagined) on the same level with God's revelation in Scripture! We must always keep in mind the difference between the MEANING for all of Christ's Church and how we may APPLY Biblical pasages to our own life right now. We are to live our lives faithfully in Christ through His words without continually seeking signs; lest we be led astray by the 'sensationalism' of this world.
---danie9374 on 7/28/06


\1\ Although I do find this somewhat interesting (since Ps.83:4 states: "They have said, 'Come, and let us wipe them out as a nation, That the name of Israel be remembered no more.'" and much has been made of that in recent news concerning Israel and Islam), too many Christians seem to think that every single news item that mentions anything Biblical or spiritual must be some kind of 'sign' to them from God. Sometimes 'so-called Christian' speakers make me sick when they... [cont.]
---danie9374 on 7/28/06


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