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Andrea Yates Court Ruling

What is your opinion about the Andrea Yates court ruling? Does anyone sympathize with her...or possibly understand where she might have been coming from?

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Clinical depression is a reality. It's a physical disease, a chemical imbalance.

Post-partum depression is a reality, though different women experience it differently. Some have a much more difficult time of it than others, but considering the physiological changes and challenges of pregnancy, it's not surprising that it exists.

Andrea Yates had a history of depression and other mental illnesses and was vainly BEGGING for help before this tragedy. The new verdict was only just.
---Jack on 5/30/07


sneha, maybe its because we dont practice what we preach? Its easier to kill someone and be aquitted than to get the death penalty. If you do manage to get the death penalty, you are more likely to die from natural causes or be pardoned than to see the sentance come to fruition because it takes so long to be carried out. The problem is not the penalties, it is our unwillingness to actually carry them out. there were only 59 people executed (capital punishment) in 2004 while there were over 16,000 murders.
---tofurabby on 8/14/06


We do not know the background of AY, so none can speculate. We have to rely on the professionals, and the accounts of her I read indicate that she is too psychotic to go to prison. She does not realize that her children are dead, let alone that she killed them.

While there, she had a contract on her life. Child killers & molesters are frequently killed in prisons. A hospital is safer.
---John_T on 8/14/06


The example of King Saul is an example of a psychotic (delusional) spirit coming on someone once used by God.

Through years of abuse by mom, a Christian friend had psychotic depression, still loves Jesus.

Many times there is a spiritual component to mental illness IN ADDITION TO THE BRAIN CHEMISTRY component.

Thus it is not a case of either/or, but often a case of both/and.
---John_T on 8/14/06


Yes I do sympatehize with her. anyone who kills her child as serious mental issues. And its better to put them in a mental assulm rather then a jail where they won't get any better. And she'll probably be in the insane asylum the rest of her life anyway, just like she would have in jail. Only in here, she'll get help for her problem. Obviously sending people to jail or killing them isnt working because america has the highest crime rate.
---sneha on 8/14/06




Amen betty, but with that said, a person that kills all their children is not likely a christian.
---tofurabby on 8/14/06


A person that is a christian can be oppressed
by the Devil but can not be possessed
---betty on 8/14/06


EMG this is what the bible calls it. I was just going on what the bible said about it.
---Rebecca_D on 8/13/06


Rebecca D you mention dumbness, deaf, blind, epilepsy. as if you believe these to be caused by evil spirits. Have I understood you correctly?
---emg on 8/12/06


Tofurabbey--I never said there WASN'T such a thing as demonic possession today.Seems people want to lump ALL strange behavior into one category or the other...demon possession...or mental illness. Andrea was an extreme case. But her thought patterns are so frequently seen in postpartum depression (tho rarely is murder a result) that I attributed her actions to that. However, a spiritually discerning person, who met her in person might conclude she was demon possessed. It's likely we will never know.
---Donna2277 on 8/11/06




I understand you may find the person to be hypocritical but the scriptures arent. I quote scripture to prove a point even when I may not live up to it. But, I know that I should be living up to it. I will never condemn a person for quoting the Word of God... maybe someone else will learn something from it. Now, "Psychosis is not addressed in the Bible as it is called today." because it is a fancy name for having evil spirits. Having an evil spirit is not addressed today as it was in the Bible.
---tofurabby on 8/11/06


tofu: Psychosis is not addressed in the Bible as it is called today.

I just find it hypocritical for people to pick and choose which scriptures they are going to believe apply to which people. The person who is throwing the scriptures around the most is also someone who sees nothing wrong with watching witchcraft on TV. Something is wrong with this picture.
---Madison1101 on 8/10/06


Madison, why dont you respond back with some scriptures then to point out the problem with what Rebecca believes here? A scripture on depression perhaps?
---tofurabby on 8/10/06


The verses in the bible goes to every child of God, including me. It may taste bitter to my lips but it is sweet to my belly. You can call it what you want Madision, Andrea was/is influenced by evil. What makes a person do that to their children? If a person listens to satan long enought, he is going over power them and they will do what he says to do. The bible says whatever you feed the most will have the most power.
---Rebecca_D on 8/10/06


Rebecca: You like to use the scriptures when they suit you in a discussion about someone else. If scripture is being used to point out a problem that someone has with your behavior, you don't like that.

I believe that mental illness is an illness in most cases. Just like I believe that physical illness is illness in most cases. You can believe what you want about Andrea, just like you can watch your witch shows if you want to.
---Madison1101 on 8/9/06


Madision; Here is what my bible references say about having an evil spirit. This word is used alot in the NT and applied to people suffering under possession of a demon such possession generally showing itself visibly in body disease or mental derangement. Bodily disease, dumbness, deaf, blind, epilepsy. Mental- those seen in cases of insanity, Mt 8:28, Mk 5:1-5. The bible calls mental ill being filled with an evil spirit.
---Rebecca_D on 8/8/06


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Donna2277 and Madison1101, I guess there is no such thing as demonic posession today? I guess it is true that rather than calling it posession we find DSMIV code names for it instead.
---tofurabby on 8/8/06


Rebecca: What experience do you have working with mentally ill patients? You have not met Andrea Yates, nor have you had a conversation with her, yet you have declared her possessed.

I work with 60 to 100 mentally ill people in a week's time, some are psychotic. According to you, they are demon possessed. I find it fascinating when they start to get better over time while on antipsychotic medication.

Andrea Yates was sick, mentally ill. PERIOD.
---Madison1101 on 8/7/06


The bible says there is nothing new under the sun. So what happened in the bible, you can expect it to happen today. they had people possessed then and we have them today. I agree they just have different names, "a proper name" for them now. because alot of these Dr.'s don't believe in demon possession. Madision, call it what you want Satan has ahold of this girl.
---Rebecca_D on 8/7/06


tofurabbey- Post-partum psychosis, unlike other psychoses,often makes mothers think of killing or harming their children. Andrea was NOT an unusual case. However,in most cases, the very thoughts of such things in a woman's mind is enough to send her looking, even running, for help. With medical help, she can become a normal caring mom. But Andrea,under the influence of cultic teaching and isolated from supportive friends or family seemingly, lost contact with reality and failed to look for help.
---Donna2277 on 8/7/06


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It was on CNN that she said that once she killed her kids, the evil whispering, the episode she was having, stopped. She hasn't had an episode because she done the will of satan. he still controls her. Madision, did you read those stories in the bible about them being filled with deaf/dumb spirits? Satan works on our mind, he comes to kill, steal and destroy. And that is exactly what he did with Andrea he destroyed her mind and her kids are dead.
---Rebecca_D on 8/7/06


Madison, I know what your text books say psychosis is. I happen to think that there is more to it than chemistry in the brain. I would bet it is demonic possession. It is funny that no one ever gives that thought validity... Read the gospels and you will find Christ casting demons out of person after person. There had to be thousands upon thousands of people with devils. Why would things be so different today? Well... its not, we just give the demons names like depression or psychosis.
---tofurabby on 8/7/06


tofu: You obviously do not know what psychosis is, and what drives a psychotic's behavior. Psychotics do not deal in reality. They suffer from all types of hallucinations. They can be paranoid and believe that there are people after them, and their children. From what I understand she believed that she had to kill them to save them from the devil. I could be mistaken.
---Madison1101 on 8/6/06


Sorry, I dont believe there is a case of depression that can be so extreme that a person would kill their own children in such manner. She was possessed or wanted her children to die.
---tofurabby on 8/6/06


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I've just done a Wickipedia search on Michael Peter Woroniecki, the spiritual leader of Andrea Yates. He is a false prophet who believes that only himself, his wife and his six children will ever be saved. What sort of horrific negative impact his teachings would have had on poor Andrea, especially if she already had a sick mind.
---Helen_5378 on 8/6/06


Rebecca D, do you know Andrea Yates personally. Did you visit her in prison or are you visiting her now in a mental institution? I just wondered as you say " I have not seen her breakdown because her kids are dead."
---emg on 8/6/06


tofu: People who suffer from psychosis can have periods of lucidity where they are able to relate rationally. It was probably during one of those times that she asked for help. If she had postpartum psychosis during the murders she had no understanding of what she was doing. She was experiencing command hallucinations.
---Madison1101 on 8/5/06


Rebecca: Andrea has not had an episode since the murders because she has been treated by a psychiatrist and is on medication for her psychosis.

Reread what I said about demons and psychosis. Yes, demons can cause some people to appear psychotic. No, not all psychotics are demon possessed.
---Madison1101 on 8/5/06


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Jack, if she was pleading for something then how can she say she didnt know anything? You must know what is happening if you ask for help.
---tofurabby on 8/5/06


Andrea hasn't had an eposide (as some would call it) since she killed her children. I have not seen her breakdown because her kids are dead. She has tried to commit suicide several times in the past. She is demon filled. Talking to Satan, what would you call that? I call it his servant.
---Rebecca_D on 8/5/06


Madision; have you read the stories in the bible about someone having a demon or demons in them, the bible would call it a dumb spirit. Read those stories. Those people weren't in their right mind either. That little boy that had a evil spirit in him, he didn't know what he was doing. Some people can be helped. but this woman knew exactly what she was doing.
---Rebecca_D on 8/5/06


Rebecca: You have no idea what you are talking about. Andrea was clearly psychotic and not able to think clearly. She had been begging for help prior to the murders.

I have been working with people who have suffered psychosis, or are psychotic while I am talking to them. They have no idea what is going on around them when it occurs. It is not a joke, or excuse, it is a sad fact of their mental illness.
---Madison1101 on 8/4/06


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Tofu: I am not saying that demon possession cannot cause psychosis. I am just saying that I have seen many psychotic people get better with medication and psychotherapy, so that tells me that NOT all psychosis is demon possession.

Saying she is psychotic is not making excuses for her. She should not have had the fifth child, and should have been in the hospital after the fourth child, but the husband ignored the psychiatrists' professional advice.
---Madison1101 on 8/4/06


**poor mommy, she had a little depression and massacred her kids,**

It wasn't just a little depression. The woman was clearly psychotic and had been begging for help.

Her pleas were ignored until it resulted in this tragedy.
---Jack on 8/4/06


Do a google search of CNN and her name, you will find what happened in the court room and some of the pictures, if your willing to go that far. I did and all I could do was cry.
---Rebecca_D on 8/4/06


Madision; I recall reading in the bible where there were people whom were mental and were possessed. I read on CNN that the husband was for the death penatly and he told Andrea that the bible says for us to uphold the law in this land, and one day it will haunt her. She knew what she was doing, because after she had drowned her kids, she laid them one by one on the bed, and her son had a head full of her hair in his fist.
---Rebecca_D on 8/4/06


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I recall the case now.
From what appared in my newspapers, the husband was a bit of a rat.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/4/06


Madison, Could demon posession cause brain chemistry to be messed up big time? Just curious because it seems to cause people to be dumb (Matt. 9:32), blind (Matt. 12:22), lunatick (Matt. 17:15), extra-strength (Mark 5:3,4), etc. My point is they cause all types of conditions... why would it be any different today? Maybe we have given medical names to characteristics of demon posession.

Many people we dont expect may have devils in them, like I didnt realize the person in Mark 16:9 had some.
---tofurabby on 8/4/06


Jack, Come on! Wouldn't ya figure something out? Anything but leaving your kids home with an insane person?? Anything! Get your wife into a mental hospital and go on welfare if you have to. He KNEW she was insane and having hallucinations etc. I would live in a cardboard box rather than leave my babies in such danger.
---sue on 8/4/06


I cant believe everyone is making excuses for her! Oh... poor mommy, she had a little depression and massacred her kids, she is the victim. Give me a break. If I came home and found that my wife did that to my kids...
---tofurabby on 8/4/06


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The husband was told that she should not have anymore pregnancies after the fourth child, but he insisted on having another. He created the monster she became after the fifth pregnancy.

The minister that they were associated with also filled her head with a lot of stuff that created a lot of confusion in her mind.
---Madison1101 on 8/3/06


Rebecca: Psychosis is not demon possession. It is a mental illness caused by brain chemistry being messed up big time.
---Madison1101 on 8/3/06


**Anyone whom kills their kids are demon filled.**

Generally speaking, one who is demon possessed has no knowledge of acts committed during that time.

Also their wills are suspended during possession, and they can not make moral choices.

So say those who know more about this topic than I.
---Jack on 8/3/06


**Now, I don't know about YOU but I would NOT leave my wife home with the kids all day if I knew she was insane.**

While I agree with you in spirit, how would the family--especially the children--be supported if the father stayed at home all day to take care of his wife and kids?

Believe it or not, welfare and disability just don't pay that much.
---Jack on 8/3/06


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The husband claimed Andrea was insane during the trial, he wanted her to get the 'insanity plea'. Now, I don't know about YOU but I would NOT leave my wife home with the kids all day if I knew she was insane.
---sue on 8/3/06


Anyone whom kills their kids are demon filled. Of course she listened to Satan, she was one of his. I sympathize for her soul, because I know where it will end up if she doesn't find Jesus, she will be in hell. call it what you want but a mental illness like this is Satan's doings.
---Rebecca_D on 8/3/06


'Well he didnt take care of his first family what makes him think he can do any better the second time around.' RANDY what were the circumstances that make you believe he didn't take care of them. Was he a 24/7 stay at home dad or did he go out to work? Was he home or in work when the deed was done? I don't know but sounds like perhaps you do.
---M.P. on 8/3/06


Jack,

My sentiments EXACTLY!
---Another_Mom on 7/31/06


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Another Mom--May God be more merciful to you than you are to Andrea Yates.
---Jack on 7/29/06


I read an interesting article on the Winkipedia site, dealing with her spiritual leader, Michael Peter Woroniecki. He sounds like a real winner!

All in all, it was a very sad event.
---NurseRobert on 7/29/06


Did anyone see the husband on Larry King? He divorced her because he wants to get married and have a family. Well he didnt take care of his first family what makes him think he can do any better the second time around. I hope as a good Christian man that he knows his next marriage will be adultery.
---randy on 7/29/06


I think the decision is just. She will suffer the rest of her life because of what she did, but it will be in a prison mental facility rather than a normal penitentiary setting.
---Donna2277 on 7/28/06


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Andrea Yates drowned her 5(I think) children in the bathtub. She was sent to prision for murder. She was given another trial and declared mentally ill at the time she kill her children. Now she is in a mental hospital.
---Creamcup on 7/28/06


I think anyone who kills their own children would have to be mentally ill. And I think God will forgive her. I think all of us ought to forgive her.
---Susie on 7/28/06


Andrea Yates was a mother of five children. She said Satan was telling her the souls of her children were going to hell. She drowned her five children to protect them from satan. The jury made the right choice. I don't give her sympathy, I pray for her. Can you imagine living with her guilt? Pray for her healing. I read an interview with her sister shortly after Yates arrest. The sister said Andrea was possessed by demons.
---Nellah on 7/28/06


yes please tell us who this woman is. I try to keep up with the news but there is so much going on right now.
---Rebecca_D on 7/28/06


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Alan: To get the most accurate information on Andrea Yates Google her name and read some of the news articles. Go with articles from the New York Times, or CNN, or NBC.
---Madison1101 on 7/28/06


Having looked up this case on google I believe that the correct decision was made. Could anyone who is sane have done such a dreadful thing?
---M.P. on 7/28/06


Andrea suffered from postpartum PSYCHOSIS. People with psychosis do not deal in reality. She and her husband were told after the 4th child not to have anymore, as the psychosis would be worse with subsequent children. Husband insisted on baby #5.

Her verdict should have been "Guilty, but insane." She is guilty of the deaths of her children, but does not need prison, but psychiatric care. She is a sick woman and sick people need help.
---Madison1101 on 7/28/06


Alan of UK--this woman drowned all 5 of her children (from a 6 months to about 7 yrs/old I think.) She systematically drowned them 1 by 1 in the bath tub because she felt the devil was in her and she wanted to save the children from Hell.
---Donna2277 on 7/28/06


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If she is not a Christian, she will spend eternity separated from God regardless of the verdict. "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Basically, we are all capable of doing what she did, and even worse. But for the grace of God, there go you... and I...
---daphn8897 on 7/28/06


I think the jury made the right decision.
---augusta on 7/28/06


Please tell those of us who don't know ... who is Andrea Yates, and what is the ruling?
---alan8869_of_UK on 7/28/06


There are so many feelings going through my mind. All I can do at this time is visualize the horror that those poor children went through before they died. I know that "if" she asked for forgiveness from God and was sincere, God would forgive her, but I am not God, and I can only focus on the children at this time. As far as changing the verdict from guilty to not guilty, that is absurd.
---Dottie on 7/28/06


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I have NO sympathy for a mother who kills her own children. NO, I do NOT understand where she was coming from. There are so many couples who would do anything for children that she could have given them up. Her actions are inexcusable. May God have mercy on her soul. I hope she repents of this horrendous crime as I believe only God COULD forgive her for this one.
---Another_Mom on 7/28/06


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