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Was Martin Luther A Good Model

Was Martin Luther, the father of protestantism, moral? He placed value on faith above all, including ethics and morals. A racist, he said synagogues should be shut down, Jews should have their tongues cut out, and their children taken away to be raised in Christians homes. Was he a model Christian?

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Samuel:

Jesus Christ, the Holy Apostles, and the Early Christians all use the Septuagint. About 300 of the 350 quotation in the NT comes from the Septuagint, which is attested by scholars. Thus, The Eastern Orthodox Church has traditionally use the Septuagint as her official OT Text.

Second, since the time of the Holy Apostles, Christians always accept the Deuterocanonical books as Scriptures. This has been proven and admit by Renowned Protestant Historian J.N.D Kelly ("Early Christian Doctrines" page 53). Protestants use a OT canon put together by some Christ-hated Jews in 90AD in the council of Jamnia and then reaffirm by Martin Luther 1500s years. The Majority of Christians today accept these books as Scriptures.
---Ramon on 7/18/08


When the Church in the 4th Century, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, told us which books belong in the Holy Bible [OT and NT], they did not told us it was 66 books (Council of Rome: 382 AD, Council of Hippo: 392 AD, Council of Carthage: 396 AD). Jews in 90AD [there was no Jewish Bible during Christ' time] decided that they will only accept the Hebrew Scriptures [39 Books] of the OT and rejected the NT. So if you wish to listen to Jews, reject the NT too. Why listen to Martin Luther? He took out books from the Holy Bible.

But, even in Ancient Times and today, not all Jews accept only 39 Books in there OT, but follow the Deuterocanon Books as Scriptures as well [The Ethiopian Jews] (cf. Encyclopedia Judaica, vol. 6, p. 1147).
---Ramon on 7/18/08


The Old Testament used by the Greek Orthodox is not based on the Septuagint, it IS the Septuagint. The Old Testament quotations in the New Testament are from the Septuagint. The Jews did not canonize their own Scripture until about 100 A.D. By that time the New Testament was pretty much all written. Paul quotes from the Book of Wisdom, so called Apocrypha, in Romans. All fascinating stuff!
---old_guy on 7/17/08


The RCC Bible is based on the Septuigent which includes books the Jews did not consider part of Scripture. Since they are not part of the Scripture of JESUS they are not part of ours.
---Samuel on 7/17/08



It is clear that in those days the Jews had holy books to which they attached authority. It cannot be proved that there was already a complete Canon, although the expression 'the holy books' (1 Macc. 12:9) may point in that direction.
(The New Bible Dictionary, ed. J.D. Douglas, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1962 ed., 190, "Canon of the Old Testament")
---Ruben on 7/17/08


The RCC Bible is based on the Septuigent which includes books the Jews did not consider part of Scripture. Since they are not part of the Scripture of JESUS they are not part of ours.
---Samuel on 7/17/08




The Jews in the early Christian centuries had really two Bibles: (1) There was the Hebrew Bible which does not include the Apocrypha and which circulated in Palestine and Babylon, (2) there was the Greek version (LXX [the Septuagint]) used by Greek-speaking Jews everywhere. the Jews condemned this version and made the Hebrew canon their Bible, thus rejecting the books of the Apocrypha from their list of canonical writings, . . .
(Orr, ibid., Vol. 1, "Apocrypha," 182)
---Ruben on 7/17/08




"Look up the history of the Spanish Inquesition."

(Which Authors? The Liars or the RCC?

Nicole)

The Records of the RCC show they made a deal with the King to root out Jews who had joined the Catholic church. They split the money taken from the people. That is a fact and not a lie. The RCC has a long history of lies. Would you like some examples? True some protestants have exgaerated the events. So there are liars on both sides. But there are nonbiased historians who give the facts.

The RCC Bible is based on the Septuigent which includes books the Jews did not consider part of Scripture. Since they are not part of the Scripture of JESUS they are not part of ours.
---Samuel on 7/17/08


Wow, Luther as a crypto-Protestant agent of the Pope blazing the trail for the arrival of the Jesuits! Now THAT'S creative conspiracy-theory work! Such a mind that could concoct that....
---old_guy on 7/16/08


"Look up the history of the Spanish Inquesition."

Which Authors? The Liars or the RCC?

"Bibles were extremly expensive and money needed to be spent on the vatican and the popes needs." Luther switched to the Jewish Bible."

I said - Luther was ISSUED a Bible.

So, what's your claim why he switched? He had a Bible.

(He took away 5 Sacraments.)True he said we are not saved by ceremonies but by Grace alone.--Samuel

The two Sacraments left by Luther is Baptism and Marriage.

Baptism saves.Mark 16:16, which Protestants rejects.

Marriage is a ceremony. But, the Sacrament happens during the honeymoon.

Now, what is your reason for Luther dropping the other 5 Sacraments?
---Nicole on 7/17/08


I understand that the real apostolic succession of the real Jesus did not produce killers, but "examples" (1 Peter 5:3).
---Bill_bila5659


Amen this is so true.
---Samuel on 7/16/08


Nicole, I was being facetious.
---old_guy on 7/16/08




Bill Billa:: "Fear not them kill the body but rather fear them that Kill the SOUL--the spirit of God that lives within us"Man comes into this world to die How, when, and where, is determined by the creator.But the soul is immortal as it will never die BUT IT CAN BE LOST FOR ALL ETERNITY.
---Emcee on 7/16/08


(Samuel, I find this funny as well. Since this isn't true.)

That the RCC murdered Jews and stole their money is easy to prove. Look up the history of the Spanish Inquesition.

(Catholics are against Luther because: 1. Took out 7 books from the Bible. He was an Augustian Monk. He had the complete 73 books of the Bible. All Monks are issued Bibles.)

In the time of Luther Bibles were extremly expensive and money needed to be spent on the vatican and the popes and others leaders needs. Luther switched to the Jewish Bible and adopted the official one they used.

(2. He took away 5 Sacraments.)

True he said we are not saved by ceremonies but by Grace alone. Show me where ceremonies save?
---Samuel on 7/16/08


(3. Luther and the reformers are the ones who were doing the killing. He convince the German king to force people to convert or die. Nicole)

False. The RCC made a deal they would not send an army to destroy Lutherians if they allowed Catholics to live in their areas of control. However if Lutherians moved to area of RCC control they had to become Catholics leave or die. Read the History books of that time I have.
---Samuel on 7/16/08


When did Luther meet Henry VIII? That's news to me. And Frances is right: Muhammad was a devout follower of the popes and a good Catholic.
---old_guy on 7/16/08


Once people get the upper hand, you can find out how they really are. According to my information, certain *individuals* calling themselves Catholics have used political power to support killing and torturing ones not of their religion. And when certain individuals calling themselves Protestants had the upper hand, they did the same thing.

I understand that the real apostolic succession of the real Jesus did not produce killers, but "examples" (1 Peter 5:3).
---Bill_bila5659 on 7/15/08


Martin Luther is a prime example of the Biblical saying"He who loses his life for my sake saves it,and he who saves his life, Loses it.Poor Luther caught between a rock and a hard Place.Had to dance to the dictates of Henry VIII or Lose His noggin.He chose the latter and gave Henry His desire he sought, and by so doing Draged so many godfearing Innocent people to the POH.
---Emcee on 7/15/08


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I am not sure anyone got Christianity right until Luther came along and began to set things right. True Christianity began with Luther.
---old_guy on 7/15/08

This means you think very little of Jesus.

Jesus isn't confused. He knows men better than we know ourselves.

Do you think Jesus would knpw that the Christians would not set things right until Luther came around 1500 years after His death?

Since He is All knowing.

So, you believe Jesus would allow this confusion.

His promise to Peter is worthness? "I will build My Church, and the jaws of death shall not prevail against it.

Not my God! Jesus is the God of Order not Chaos!
---Nicole on 7/15/08


By their fruits we shall know them. If he really said that about the Jews, then we know he was just a Vatican agent. Could be he was a Jesuit coadjuctor in other words working for them. Like, he might have started the Reformation in order to provide the Jesuits with a reason for being. Like a preempting of the inevitable (with the invention of the printing press). Better to control the uprising by placing your men their in leadership roles. I read his theses that he pinned up on the Cathedral and I found they did not go far enough. I did not study it long before realizing this fact.
---frances008 on 7/15/08


I am not sure anyone got Christianity right until Luther came along and began to set things right. True Christianity began with Luther.
---old_guy on 7/15/08


The aim of the RCC is to get us into a One World Religion. They will succeed to, although many will prefer to die. Jews and Christians are the main stumbling block. Muslims are useful to them, after all the RCC created Islam for the purpose of wars. It is no accident that the Jesuits speak so many languages. Each man having the power of about eight of us ordinary people. The present Black Pope speaks five languages and can read and write another six (from my research).
---frances008 on 7/15/08


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Samuel, I find this funny as well. Since this isn't true. Catholics are against Luther:
1. Took out 7 books from the Bible. He was an Augustian Monk. He had the complete 73 books of the Bible. All Monks are issued Bibles.

2. He took away 5 Sacraments.

3. Luther and the reformers are the ones who were doing the killing. He convince the German king to force people to convert or die.
It spread to English, by Henry VIII, Catholics for centuries were tortured.

Remember the famous song you sing today. '12 days of Christmas'it is a Catholic Catechism tool to teach the children.

Why a song? Because, admitting you were a Catholic in England meant death by torture. Google the song. History doesn't lie, people do.
---Nicole on 7/15/08


What I find funny is that Many cathlics speak against Martin Luther for turing agaisnt jews after first being for them.

When the RCC had a long standing program of murdering jews as a practice. Much of the Spanish inquesition was to root out jews who tried to hide by becoming Catholic. They burned them at the stake took their children away and continued this practice long after Lutherians had quit. They racked up a much higher body count then Martin Luther ever did.
---Samuel on 7/15/08


Titus 1:9_16. People like those described "specially" some. Have always been at odds with Christendom.
---Nana on 7/15/08


I saw a documentary on Luther on TBN. They zoomed on one of his books where he had written that the Jews were cursed Christ killers and that their synagogues should be burned down. The Nazis read his writings, and that is exactly what they did. We need to realize that he is not infallible. I am not sure what he had to say about salvation through infant baptism, or the real presence (literal body and blood) of Christ in the Eucharist, but those are two foundational teachings of the current Lutheran church that are not in agreement with most of Protestantism.
---obewan on 7/14/08


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Martin Luther taught many good and Excellent truths. Sola Scriptora, Sola Grace and faith. But he was not perfect. We need to learn from his wisdom and not repeat his mistakes.

We are to follow JESUS just as Martin Luther did.
---Samuel on 7/14/08


Lee-( He advocated sola scriptura - the view that if it is not in the bible, we need not believe or practice it )Which in itself(Bible) does not teach that.
---Ruben on 7/14/08


Lupe #3- Therefore, my judgment is also not mine but God's." From Against the Spiritual Estate of the Pope and the Bishops Falsely So-Called, July 1522,LW,39,248-249
---dana on 9/3/06


Lupe #2- "Instead, I shall let myself be heard and, as St. Peter teaches, give an explanation and defense of my teaching to all the world - I Pet. 3:15. I shall not have it judged by any man, not even by any angel. For since I am certain of it, I shall be your judge and even the angels' judge through this teaching (as St. Paul says [I Cor. 6:3 ]) so that whoever does not accept my teaching may not be saved - for it is God's and not mine. cont.
---dana on 9/3/06


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Lupe #1- Luther did not call himself infallible in the way the Catholic Church does, but he did say this:"Therefore, I now let you know that from now on I shall no longer do you the honor of allowing you - or even an angel from heaven - to judge my teaching or to examine it. For there has been enough foolish humility now for the third time at Worms, and it has not helped." cont
---dana on 9/3/06


3. I believe the reason people speak and say things against what he did is only because it was against the Catholics. And the continuance of not admitting that many things were wrong within the church.
---Lupe2618 on 8/20/06


2. He said there was no proof for the treasures of the indulggences. They are not Christian at all, but should be descarded. That there was no proof that the pope can annul punishments for sin. Luther formulated a thesis which delt with the problem of the papacy which had a great effect on the church. He said the Roman church is superior to all others is proved only by the utterly worthless decrees of the last 400 years from that time.
---Lupe2618 on 8/20/06


Let me set the record straight, Luther never said he was infallable. His main concern was what the church was doing in the spirit of being infallible. As he had done many times, he maintained that sin also continued to exist in the life of a Christian. That without grace, a person is incapable of doing good; anything else is heresy of Pelagius. The cross of God imposes as punishment cannot be modified by canon law or by the priest. Luther also questioned whether one renders satisfaction in purgatory.
---Lupe2618 on 8/20/06


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"Maximilian Kolbe was a Polish priest who died as prisoner 16770 in Auschwitz-Birkenau, August 14, 1941. When a prisoner escaped from the camp, the Nazis selected 10 others to be killed by starvation in reprisal for the escape. One of the 10 selected to die, Franciszek Gajowniczek, began to cry: "My wife! My children! I will never see them again!" At this, Maximilian stepped forward and asked to die in his place. His request was granted."
---augusta on 8/20/06


"In 1985, Cardinal Palazzini was honored by Yad Vashem, Israels Holocaust Memorial, as a righteous gentile, who had endangered his life and gone above and beyond the call of duty to save [Italian] Jews during the Holocaust. When he was honored by Yad Vashem as a righteous gentile, Palazzini testified that Pius XII had personally ordered him to save and shelter Jews."
---augusta on 8/20/06


"Kosher food was provided for the Jews hidden there, where, as George Weigel has noted, Jewish children were born in the private apartments of Pius XII, which became a temporary obstetrical ward." Rabbi David G. Dalin
---augusta on 8/20/06


"During the Nazi occupation of Rome, three thousand Jews found refuge at one time at the popes summer residence at Castel Gandolfo. Amazingly, Castel Gandolfo is never mentioned or discussed in the anti-papal writings of many of the popes critics. Yet at no other site in Nazi-occupied Europe were as many Jews saved and sheltered for as long a period as at Castel Gandolfo during the Nazi occupation of Rome."

cont..
---augusta on 8/20/06


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Lee writes: (2) "To me, even if they murdered so many by their believes, the worse thing they did in my opinion was to condemn the Jews all through history."
You should try reading real history sometime instead of anti-Catholic revisionist history. 'The Myth of Hitler's Pope' by Rabbi David Dalin would be a good place to start.
---augusta on 8/20/06


not sure where you got info on M/Luther as racist etc.. the papal bull to M/Luther, "I dispise and resist the truth and it is Christ Himself who is condemned therein"..Luther was a Godly man..He saw the errors in the vatican, the uglines of the priests and he got out of it and left the catholic faith..he was much hated and therefore sought out by the romans to silence him for he knew much. Read about it in The Great Controversey by EGW..yes, she has revealed it thats why many are against her
---jana on 8/20/06


The infallibility of Martin Luther is not a dogma of the Lutheran Church. It is not even set forth for consideration.
---Tina5349 on 8/19/06


Ruben - bear in mind that the Roman Catholic church is simply another denomination with its birth in the 16th century as it was only then they defined what their beleifs were to be from the Council of Trent.
---lee on 8/9/06


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(2) To me, even if they murdered so many by their believes, the worse thing they did in my opinion was to condemn the Jews all through history. The books are full of what they did to them all through the ages. God's people. I am glad this last pope found courage to ask for forgiveness from them, something no one had ever done. He was a great guy.
---lee_1 on 8/9/06


Ruben, I am sorry I touch the wrong button with you. Yes, it has brought out the truth to everyone. Praise God. There was as in many bad people inside the church had dominion over everyone. They could interpret what they wanted and even make a lot of money on peoples sins. They knew how to handle everything they could control but not anymore. I am sorry you are so pro-catholic and won't admit to their wrongs.
---lee_1 on 8/9/06


Lee1- Scripture out so that anyone could learn and not be dependent on what the Church council said.( Not, what Jesus wanted 1 Tim 3:15 "if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth) That in turn created many denominations which was not great( Yea, what a big mess) but allowed for every indiviual to read for himself the Word of God.( You mean interpret sciptures to their liking)
---Ruben on 8/9/06


Donna, Thanks!!
---kathr4453 on 8/9/06


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Kathr4453--You didn't sound like you were bragging...it is an encouraging bit of verse and I'm glad you shared it. Sometimes poetry just says it better!
---Donna2277 on 8/9/06


(3) in order to interpret Scripture we need to have a desire to learn. Many only know the basics and are happy with that. I find it a privilage that God has given me the desire to continue to learn. I have learned from your writings as well as many others on line. Many sisters are great in their studies. Many get angry when we speak against something we feel is not correct yet we can only put out the truth and allow God to reveal it to someone. By the way, don't change your name. We know who you are.
---lee_1 on 8/9/06


(2) the reformers I believe did a great thing when you read what they were doing within the church. They also brought Scripture out so that anyone could learn and not be dependent on what the Church council said. That in turn created many denominations which was not great but allowed for every indiviual to read for himself the Word of God. I myself have learned so much since I left the church when I was 44. I never knew much of anything going there.
---lee_1 on 8/9/06


lee, I do have many books on Martin Luther, and have read his life story. He was not a person without his faults. I am a believer in the Sovereignty of God but I also read books from Wesley and other that are not reform. All these people were great followers of Christ. Each one can teach us something. I think what the Catholics forget is that there is more history of them then any other out there, and most have come from there.
---lee_1 on 8/9/06


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The only model we should be looking to is the Lord Jesus. Martin Luther was just a sinner like the rest of us.
---Benny on 8/9/06


If one were to examine modern day Roman catholic apologetics, you will find that they try to make much hay over the human failings of Martin Luther. I suspect that this is an attempt to gloss over the total corruption of the Roman church during those times - Kill the messenger and ignore the message!
---lee on 8/9/06


Donna - I always go by "lee" only but wonder if I should use my id handle instead "lee1538"?
---lee on 8/9/06


I believe we are. I use lee 1 because I have seen lee on line for a long time and he knows Scripture very well. I have read much of what he has written of Scripture towards the SDA's. I wanted to make sure that others didn't confuse us so I added the 1 to lee. Sorry for the confusion.
---lee_1 on 8/9/06


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lee--Agreed. Luther and others (despite their human failings)were courageous Christians, used greatly by God.

I see 3 different "lee"'s:
lee, lee 1, and lee 1a. Are these 3 different people?
---Donna2277 on 8/8/06


While Luther or for that matter none of the Reformers as individuals may not be good role models, they were instruments in the hands of God to reform a church that totally was not a role model for Him. What else can a man be save a tool in the hands of God?
---lee on 8/8/06


MikeM. since you made the statements about Luther I would like for you to give me the books where I can find what you just said about him. I have at least five of them, all his theses and sermons. I have not read what you have stated. Just give me the books or where you got your information. While I have most of his stuff, I don't have what you stated. Its important to know but yet it is not in the same sentence as Hitler.
---lee_1 on 8/6/06


Donna2277, re: last post, I should have sent that message to you privately. It sounds like I'm bragging, and that was not what I meant. I just didn't want you looking for it in St. Patrick prayers,and not find it.
Poetry is my prayers in a way. Not for sale, just for sharing in special occasions.
---kathr4453 on 8/5/06


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Donna2277.. Just wanted you to know, that the end of the poem RE: "In Times of Warfare" is not in St. Patrick's poem. I wrote that myself.
---kathr4453 on 8/5/06


Kathr4453-- Thanks for finding that little part of St. Patricks poem. I'd never read it, but now will copy it and keep it. What a great thought!
---Donna2277 on 8/4/06


2.Lee-I boldly mention Hitler and Luther in the same sentence. Their sayings about Jews and others, when compared cannot be differentated. Luthers 'love for Christ' in words is dashed by actions, and words less revealed. His excuse- he was an autocrat in autocratic times, democracy was not a concept alive at the time. Whats positive about Luther is the focus on salvation on the individual, not a clerical body, the RCC knew this was dangerious to their power, and tried to wipe it out with war and blood.
---MikeM on 8/4/06


NO NO NO NO NO, he apparently has not read the bible, or he would have blessed the Jew, not curse them. Therefore before God he will be cursed. He did as some Christians, only read the parts that make you feel good, and skip the parts that make you humble.
---Dottie on 8/4/06


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1.Lee-Respect for Luther? Jeses said those who claimed to love him but hated their brothers he would call a lier. luther, when seeing the Jews would not accept his beliefs, wanted them tortured and killed. During the pheasnts revolt, he wanted them crushed. His hatred ran deep, I have read his writings, some about the Vatican, through true, some are too foul to translate into english. Today only the 'nice' material is read by protestants, and I am not protestant.(and not RCC)
---MikeM on 8/4/06


CORRECTION:
There are several versions of St. Patricks poem.
Some do say, much further down in the poem, Christ in me.
Repeat; much further down in the poem.

During times of warfare always remember:

Christ In Me, His power be,
The armor I wear, is Christ In Me,
Not around me, cant you see,
His power works, inside of me.
---kathr4453 on 8/4/06


Donna2277...YOU GO GIRL!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/4/06


Have you ever wondered about the prayer of St. Partick.
Christ above me,
Christ below me,
Christ to the right of me,
Christ to the left of me.

Why did he never say "CHRIST IN ME"??
The Gospel according to the MYSTERY is Christ in you, the hope of Glory. Romans 16:25-27 Colossians ch 1
---kathr4453 on 8/4/06


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Here's another one, lee...

"We are compelled to concede to the Papists
that they have the Word of God,
that we received it from them,
and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all."

Martin Luther
---augusta on 8/4/06


kath4453--My experience with the book of James is the same as yours. James and Hebrews are two of my favorite books now. We may tend to look at Luther as some kind of spiritual giant..I'm not sure he was. He was a RC monk who received a revelation of what was meant by "the just shall live by faith". He was a newly born-again Roman Catholic, headstrong and a bit reckless (from what I read). Recalling your experience and mine, with the Epistle of James, I can imagine he had a problem with it.
---Donna2277 on 8/3/06


Some of ML's writings were pretty darn good, lee. ;o

"There are almost as many sects and beliefs as there are heads; this one will not admit baptism; that one rejects the Sacrament of the altar; another places another world between the present one and the day of judgment; some teach that Jesus Christ is not God. There is not an individual, however clownish he may be, who does not claim to be inspired by the Holy Ghost, and who does not put forth as prophecies his ravings and dreams."
---augusta on 8/3/06


"But Hitler - once a Roman catholic altar boy - did not beleive in the Bible at all let alone sola scriptura."

Not true. At the end of his life he said if anything he considered himself a Protestant Christian.
---augusta on 8/3/06


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**The Roman Church really wants Christians to replace their believe in Sola Scriptura with Sola Ecclesia Romanus**

Lee, please quote the appropriate Roman Catholic doctrine that says so, giving its title (in either Latin or English) and who wrote it.
---Jack on 8/3/06


Who said Martin Luther was the Father of protestantism? I recall many before him, Wycliffe for one, who was to me greater than any Luther. Luther didn't die for what he believed in....that dirty rotten scoundrel.
All talk and no action!
---Janet on 8/3/06


(2) This people like Luther and others, whether reformers or none reformers, were great people that deserve respect for their great work and love for Christ. Their whole lives consisted in learning and teaching God work. I can understand you might not like his writings but he did not live for you but for Christ. He deserves your respect.
---lee_1a on 8/3/06


Brother Mike, I don't see how a smart guy like you can even put two very different people in the same sentence. It is not fair to judge them both as the same. While one killed millions upon millions, Luther had a love for Christ that you will never have. He was human and made his mistakes as a human. He was not perfect as Morgan and Exzucuh are but he was a great teacher. It would also be an injustice to put you and satan in comparison because you both believe in something so different.
---lee_1 on 8/3/06


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MikeM - it is true that Hitler borrowed much from Martin Luther's anti-semitic views. But Hitler - once a Roman catholic altar boy - did not beleive in the Bible at all let alone sola scriptura.

The Roman Church really wants Christians to replace their believe in Sola Scriptura with Sola Ecclesia Romanus - the church of Rome only as the authority.
---lee on 8/3/06


**Can you give a reason why a Jew would do that..."PRIVATELY practicing Judaism"?**

Yes.

Many Jews made a token conversion to Christianity to try to fit in with the larger Spanish society. Read the history of the Marranos (not sure of the spelling, may be just one R) on line.

Others were doubtless sincere, but they would not have been keeping Kosher, the Sabbath, etc.
---Jack on 8/3/06


Jack: Did Luther have a problem with " The Song of Solomon". There is no mention of God here either. The Song of Solomon is another book, of that hidden manna only those who's minds are in Heavenly places, and not in the earthly garbage will understand. Read the story of Joseph along with Romans 11. Ask the Lord to show you those beautiful nuggets of truth. He Will!
---kathr4453 on 8/3/06


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