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Daughter Running Out Of Time

My 12 year old has been baptized, but doesn't seem to have a personal relationship with Jesus. We don't have a youth program at our church. She is bored and thinks being a Christian is "uncool" and "embarassing." I am scared that she is running out of time to choose!

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 ---melissa on 7/31/06
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Ibelieve as long as you have taught her about God you are faithful God will bless you ask your draughter was Jesus embrassesed when he died on the CrOSS FOR HER
---lawre3763 on 4/5/08

melissa-It is her decision, you can not make it for her. If you have BEEN Salt & Light than she will naturally be curious about that. On the other hand if you have done nothing but force law down her throat it is no wonder she would rebel. Does she see you as a hypocrite? Her answer to that would be very telling if she has observed Christian behavior or if she has been spoon fed legalism.
---Ryan on 3/23/08

She is only 12. Alot of 12 year olds go through this. She hasn't really grasp the concept of how one should serve God. She is on the right path. If you press this issue that she needs to do this or that since she was baptised, she won't want to serve God. She is only 12, give her a little space.
---Rebecca_D on 6/9/07

When one states that baptism is required in order to be saved, that is an implication that we can DO something to EARN our salvation. However, being born again is NOT about what we do, it is about what Christ DID FOR US. One is a work of man, and the other is a work of God. Yes, again, we should all be baptized in obedience to Jesus' command, however it is not the act of being dunked in water that saves us.
---Crystal on 8/9/06

outward sign of an inward change; is not Scriptural Baptism is a act of faith required by God When God told Abraham to sacrifice Issac it was not an option it was his test of obedience he obeyed and God provided the sacrifice it is the same in Baptism it is something that you can do and God honors that Faith. But if you discredit baptism and take away the faith aspect of it it truly does do nothing and ruins the faith of the believer.
---Exzucuh on 8/8/06

I have NEVER said baptism is not important. In fact, it is VERY important. I believe that all born-again Christians SHOULD be baptized in obedience to the Word of God. What I contend is simply this. Baptism is an outward sign of an inward change and DOES NOT SAVE. When a person is born-again, they are saved. When a person is baptized, they are "telling the world" they are saved.
---Crystal on 8/8/06

If baptism is not so important why did paul baptize these men again why did'nt he except johns baptism. Because in order to get something from God you have to act in faith and faith without works is dead which means no power of the Holy Ghost in you life, it is what quickens your dead body to serve Christ.
If you start putting faith to work by obedience you will see the power of God.
---Exzucuh on 8/7/06

Acts 19:3-6 And he said unto them, Unto what then were you baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him who should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke with tongues, and prophesied.
---Exzucuh on 8/7/06

I stick by my original statements. Being baptized makes one no more a Christian, than falling in cow manure makes one a barnyard animal. The heart of the matter is the matter of the heart! If one does not repent and accept the blood atonement of Christ (a heart matter), they can be dunked a thousand times and it amounts to NOTHING!
---Crystal on 8/7/06

Jesus commanded water baptism, no +, no -, as Crystal said elsewhere.

St. Peter said "batism doth also now save us", no +, no -.

I will continue to put this answer until the moderator quits blocking the plain word of God on the subject.
---Jack on 8/4/06

The Bible absolutely does NOT say that "he who will not be baptized will be damned..." That is a lie. I understand your concern about your daughter, Melissa, but I think it is important to note that it is she who must make a decision to accept or reject Christ. She must repent, ask Christ into her heart, and THEN be baptized. You may have started at the wrong end of this deal. Put her in God's hands and pray for and love her. That's all you can do.
---Crystal on 8/3/06

Some people really got off track with the baptism debate. That is a whole different issue. I shared my concerns about my daughter's salvation. It could be too late for anyone if their life ends suddenly or if Jesus returns before they get saved. That is what I meant.
---melissa on 8/2/06

Water Baptism is a wonderful way to express AN "INWARD" change in a "OUTWARD" way. But if a Holy Jesus Blood Washed child of God dies before they are able to do this, they will still go to heaven, it's the BLOOD that makes you clean. It we continue in the Blood(don't backslide) we will stay clean.
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/2/06

Does Jesus command us to preach what Baptism is and make doctrines and analogys on the subject. No he commands us to baptize. He himself said he who will not be baptized will be damned. will you contradict the word of the Master? you believe a doctrine on baptism that is not taught by Christ and justify it with what if's that don't exist. If you have no faith in baptism you are not baptized you can only please God by Faith.
---Exzucuh on 8/2/06

I agree with you, Exzucuh! Water baptism is commanded in the Scriptures, and it is something that we should do in obedience to Christ. However, the act in and of itself does NOT save us. It is an outward sign of an inward change. Consider this. If a person made a decision for Christ and on the way to the baptism, died in a terrible car accident, would he go to Hell? NO! His is right with God as soon as he repents and asks Jesus into his heart.
---Crystal on 8/2/06

Water baptism is obedience to the Gospel don,t listen to the heritics that are always trying to destroy the faith of others they will get their just reward, You can be at peace to know that the kingdom of God is like a tiny seed that grows into a great tree our covenant says that the same Holy Spirit we have will be upon our children and the word will be in their mouth and their childrens mouth forever because you are faithful to God
Isaiah 59:21
---Exzucuh on 8/2/06

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It is not magic water. The "saving" power behind water baptism is the death, burial, & resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 15:1-4). One is saved when he believes the message of the Gospel & in good conscience, pledges his life to God as he confesses Jesus & is immersed in water (1 Peter 3:18-21). Water baptism is a "sign unto men" that you have allowed the blood of Jesus to wash your sins away (Matt. 26:28). Water Baptism is a work of man. The Cross of Calvary is a work of God!
---Crystal on 8/2/06

** Water baptism is a work - period!**

So is three hours on a cross.

If you try to take away all the physical elements of salvation, you wind up with NO salvation.

In any case, baptism could be called a "work" if you baptised yourself, but do you do that--or RECEIVE it at the hands of another?
---Jack on 8/1/06

Water baptism is a work - period! There is no way for the honest person to get around that. According to Ephesians 2:8-9 then, we cannot be saved by works: "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (KJV) Does God Himself baptize us with water? No! Man does, and nothing man does can save us. In this case especially, the heart of the matter is the matter of the heart - NOT whether or not we get wet!!!
---Crystal on 8/1/06

Then how do you explain the thief on the cross? **

Crystal, it happened BEFORE the Resurrection and BEFORE Christ gave the commandment to be baptized.

Don't try arguing with the word of God. It says IN SO MANY WORDS that baptism saves.
---Jack on 8/1/06

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Does your church have no other youth? Maybe you could suggest starting a youth program, or maybe it is time to find a church that does. 12 is a hard age, and being with other Christian youth could really help her in her walk with God.
---bethie on 8/1/06

Is your daughter born-again. Has she received Jesus Christ as her Lord and Saviour. Baptism does not save anyone. Only faith in Jesus Christ and His sacrifice of Himself on the Cross for sin saves.
---Helen_5378 on 7/31/06

melissa-Let me make one other suggestion. You say you are scared. Fear is not a fruit of the Spirit and is an example of a lack of faith. Pray for her and have full faith in God. Ask the Holy Spirit to purge your fear.
---Ryan on 7/31/06


Then how do you explain the thief on the cross? Did someone take down his body and dunk him in water? I think not! Yet Jesus said, "Today, thou shalt be with me in Paradise." Also, baptism is an outward sign of an inward change and something we are told to do as a "...sign unto men..." that we have chosen to follow Jesus. You have taken the verse you used in your latest post out of context. Typical...
---Crystal on 7/31/06

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I suggest you find a church with a youth program, and attend there. I also suggest that you start a Bible study with her, just you and her together. Just something simple, with prayer and discipleship the two of you can do. There are some good studies available if you look in the Christian book store.

I also suggest you get the book, "The Power of a Praying Parent" by Stormie O'Martian.
---Madison1101 on 7/31/06

** First, baptism does NOT save.**

Where did you get that idea, Crystal? That's not what the Word of God says.

"Baptism doth also now save us." 1 Peter 3:21

And I thought you believed the Bible.

As far as "running out of time", it sounds like someone has fallen for the old "age of acccuntability" fiction, with the Bible says NOTHING about.
---Jack on 7/31/06

Melissa::At 12 she needs your love & support & example she is still young give her time, but she does not need your control for want of a better word.give her space she will yet ome round.AND PRAY some on my grand kids say It's cool to be known by God.
---Emcee on 7/31/06

First, baptism does NOT save. What am I missing here? "12 and running out of time?" Already? I think you are overreacting and that she should be shown the unconditionial love of Jesus with which she may be won over. Give her this kind of love, along with boundaries and consequences for misbehavior, and I think she will come to her decision in due time.
---Crystal on 7/31/06

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