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Should We Have Capital Punishment

I don't believe in capital punishment. I agree with what the moderator said in his post regarding abortion: "God does not, however, give us the right to terminate a life for any reason. God alone is the giver and taker of human life "br> Does anyone disagree?

Moderator - Capital punishment is an extension of the government to maintain law and order.

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Should we have capital punishment? No, not in its present legal form. It takes several years of appeals and millions of taxpayers dollars to execute one person.

While some believe capital punishment is a means of government to maintain law & order, it is obvious that such a system as we have now simply does not work. What is needed is for govt to educate its people in the sanctity of life, respect for the rights of others.
---Lee on 12/14/07

I see capital punishment in the same context as a defensive war. We have the right and responsibility to protect the innocent even if by deadly force. With capital punishment, we generally have the means to be careful and deliberate so that we can illiminate most all mistakes. Capital punishment should be for clear cut conviction on heinous crimes. Is Christ somewhat condoning capital punishment when he talks of hanging a millstone around someone's neck and drowning them?
---stephen on 12/13/07

We have the right to kill to protect ourselves or others. (By doing so, we also prevent that person from committing the sin of murder.)

I believe that the only time capital punishment should be used is when the person in question has been proven WITHOUT DOUBT to be guilty of a heinous crime AND will be unable to stop repeating the crime, even if kept in jail for life. (This is to protect the other inmates and the warders.)

Otherwise, lifetime jail sentences suffice.
---Nancy on 12/7/07

Jack, the sripture says:
Gen 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.
This speaks nothing of sacrafice the entire concept is based around JUSTICE. Didn't Jesus say the weightier provisions of the law were love, mercy and JUSTICE?
And what mercy did the murderer show? He deserves justice, does he not?
---Ryan on 8/4/06

eve, they werent gossiping, it says she was caught in the act. I made a mistake of referring to it as sand, after looking, it is actually written as ground so I dont know if the wind could have blown it or not.
---tofurabby on 8/3/06

**When was the eternal covenant with Noah discarded.**

To drag strangers into the conversation, is it not written, "I require MERCY and not sacrifice?"

What Biblical precept is being flouted by being merciful and NOT decreeing captial punishment?
---Jack on 8/3/06

I recently read an article that desrcibed our Messiah as perhaps writing the woman's name in the sand so the it may have been "washed away" as the wind blew and ignoring the men who were accusing since you are told not to speak or listen to gossip.
---eve on 8/3/06

Jack :) Are you trying to dazzle us with your brilliance or what? (Pv. 16:18)
---Leon on 8/3/06

Elder: I see your point & appreciate your insights; but, I can't relegate what Jesus may've written as unimportant. For me it's relevant to the overall object lesson He taught in that particular situation.

I agree wholeheartedly, sanctimonious religiosity (2 Tim. 3) is light years apart from true, biblical Christianity.
---Leon on 8/3/06

Jack, you say:
How many of the other OT commandments do you observe precisely, or wish to see enforced?

When was the eternal covenant with Noah discarded. Is capital punishment, ordained by God, part of Mosaic law? Why would this decree be abandoned?
---Ryan on 8/3/06

I believe the "clue" was in "he that is without sin..cast the first stone". Could He have written names and places of those who held the stones? Maybe they also could have been stoned themselves? Maybe the first time He wrote their names then the second time he wrote another person's name beside each of the others... showing God knows the heart and the past.
---mikefl on 8/2/06

Jack ... God ... the Commandments?
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/2/06


---tofurabby on 8/2/06

**I believe Jesus wrote perhaps the Aramaic equivalence of zero**

It was the Arab Muslims (some 8 centuries later) who invented the concept of zero, so that interpretation is an anachronism.

It was a troublesome concept to the mind of the middle ages: a number that in itself signified a null quantity, yet put it to the end of another number, and it multiplied it by 10.
---Jack on 8/2/06

Leon the fact is it is not important what Jesus wrote on the ground. The importance is THAT He wrote on the ground.
In that day it was totally improper for anyone to turn their backs on the religious rulers/teachers. Jesus not only turned His back but He stooped down and gave His attention to the dirt.
Cond #2
---Elder on 8/2/06

Cond #2
The religious rulers had their way and Jesus showed the way of God and forgiveness.
He also showed His authority because not one of the religious ones challenged Him in His action directed toward them.
Today we that call ourselves Christians are too religious also.
Cond #3
---Elder on 8/2/06

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Cond #3
Religion is the worship of something. Christianity is the worship of the Lord.
We don't worship what He gave we worship because He gave.
We shouldn't worship things, events and experiences but as you read these blogs you will see those things coming out all the time from the ones that call themselves by Christ's name.
---Elder on 8/2/06

Where else in the Bible did someone write twice with his finger?

Think about it.
---Jack on 8/2/06

For what it's worth, I also have often wondered just what it was Jesus wrote on the ground. Whatever it was, coupled with His statements (Jn. 8:6-11), it was sufficient to convict the consciences of the scribes & Pharisees.

I believe Jesus wrote perhaps the Aramaic equivalence of zero (none of you, unknown to you ). There He was, God in their presence, the only one "without sin" . Yet, they didn't know Him....
---Leon on 8/2/06

Taking a closer look, the pharisees were looking to "tempt" him and brought the woman who was caught "in the very act" which means the man would have been caught too. The man would have been just as guilty as the woman. They quoted Moses law "the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death" (Lev. 20:10), but the pharisees did not bring him. Jesus said before he did not come to destroy the law. He was pointing out their hypocracy, not establishing a new law.
---tofurabby on 8/2/06

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I dont know what he wrote in the sand, but it was made obvious that he wrote something. There had to be some reason to tell us about it. I believe the common thought is that he may have wrote "where is the man" or something along those lines. But, I dont know... I wish I did.
---tofurabby on 8/2/06

Tofurabby ... "So then what did he write in the sand... twice?"
Clearly You know ... please tell us.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/2/06

NOBODY knows what Jesus wrote in the sand. The Bible doesn't say. Maybe He was doodling as He gave people time to reflect about their question? There is nothing in the Biblical account to support the idea that He wrote the guilty man's name. But it has been preached so often, that many accept it as absolute truth and, as in this case, even draw spiritual applications from it.
---Donna2277 on 8/2/06

** So then what did he write in the sand... twice?**

You don't think it was the name of the guilty man, do you? What's your proof.
---Jack on 8/1/06

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So then what did he write in the sand... twice?
---tofurabby on 8/1/06


No. Jesus never even said a word about the man involved.

He simply said, "Let the one without sin cast the first stone."

If you believe the Gospel, this gives the requirements for all executioners (and by extention, judges and juries) in all capital cases.
---Jack on 8/1/06

Jack- Genesis 9:6 is a part of the covenant with Noah, not Moses. This deecree was given at the onset of the dispensation of human government. It is not a decree to Christians it is given to human governments.
---Ryan on 8/1/06

frank-cos-One other side thought. How do you love your enemy when you are dead?
---Ryan on 8/1/06

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I am merely presenting scripture to answer your question. This decree is outside of the Mosaic law. If you choose to deny God's word that is between you and God.
---Ryan on 8/1/06

Jack -

There are so many inconsistencies within the bible, and any translation of the bible is subjective, as is the reader of the bible. e.g. In Leviticus, it says anyone who curses their mother or father should be put to death - so Parents can kill their children for that? Come on...

We are required to LOOK for the deeper meanings, and try to understand it its entirety.
---frank_cos on 8/1/06

Jack, regarding the old adultery law you are speaking of, isnt it required that both persons involved be put to death? So could it be that instead of giving qualifications for the executioners, he was looking for the second guilty party?
---tofurabby on 8/1/06

Ryan - If we go by your biblical quote (below), then the executioner must die as well. Its just not ok to envoke capital punishment.

Gen 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.

Here's a better one: Love thy enemies!

teach love
---frank_cos on 8/1/06

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** Gen 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.
Capital punishment is a decree from God. Notice it was ordained before God administered law and after Cain slew Able.**

How many of the other OT commandments do you observe precisely, or wish to see enforced?

All of them?

Or do you merely pick and choose?
---Jack on 8/1/06

God believes in capital punishment: Hell is capital punishment!!!

The Bible clearly shows numerous examples of how God uses men & women, ruling bodies, government agencies & authorities as instruments of His will to punish, with extreme prejudice (the death sentence), those who transgress His will.
---Leon on 8/1/06

abortion and capitol punishment are two seperate issues. I am in favor of quick and just punishment for murderers, rapist, child molestors, drug dealers and others. drug dealers kill too.
---shira on 8/1/06

I also believe that capital punishment is wrong. It is noticeable on C.N. how people are happy to keep some old testament laws when it suits them but not keep them when it doesn't. Whatever the law of our individual lands say God no longer says "An eye for an eye" but says "Love your enemies" "Bless those who curse you" etc. Laws and punishments are necessary but not taking someone's life. That actually punishes their loved ones more than the perpetrator.
---f.f. on 8/1/06

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Gen 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.
Capital punishment is a decree from God. Notice it was ordained before God administered law and after Cain slew Able.
---Ryan on 7/31/06

I agree wholeheartedly that God is the giver and taker of life and that no human being has the right to execute anyone for wrongdoing. I remember reading about a hangman who got heavily convicted and was born-again under the ministry of Smith Wigglesworth. How do we know that if the criminals that are executed had been allowed to live that they might have heard the gospel and got born-again.
---Helen_5378 on 7/31/06

I believe in capital punishment for capital crime.
---mima on 7/31/06

I'm not sure about "us" not being allowed " take a life for any reason". The "us" would be the legal, lawful assigned person who is designated to fulfill a court order of execution. NOT the common public. As for capitol punishment, when a person is proven 100% positive to be the one who has murdered another person unprovoked, I do believe a swift justice is due. If there is any doubt at all, life in prison is 2nd.
---mikefl on 7/31/06

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Adultery was a capital crime in the Old Law, and Jesus gave the qualifications for executioners.
---Jack on 7/31/06

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