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Abel And Can Twins

"1And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground." Do you believe Cain and Able were twins?

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greetings,for danie,response to your replies,i do not know of this bob you speak of .neither do i agree with bob .bob speaks from his own understanding and knowledge.i respect his answer as i would any one elses .but your response of this matter is unGodly in that you claim that i said something i did not.this is how misunderstandings begin and flourish.i have spoke no theory or assumed but yet you persecute me without a cause."you know not what manner of spirit ye are of"
---earl on 9/17/07

MikeM -
Those sciences absolutely do exist. I think when people see something that science says that doesn't support the way they've come to understand the Bible, they feel threatened, when in fact I believe science supports the Bible. If science and the Bible conflict, maybe the way you've been taught all of your life to believe is in error. After all, the Bible is not false, the Bible is not wrong. Maybe some are placed in a FOG.
---Bob on 10/24/06

greetings,for mikem,yes they do exist.
---earl on 10/20/06

My education is in biology. Do the sciences of biology, palentology, anthropology, archeology, geology not exist?
---MikeM on 10/20/06

Yes Bob, no joke im real, I guess me and Oke have been thorns in each others flesh, so thats why he brought my name up. Either way, Let me Go find Oke and give him a hard time, LOL, just kidding. Bob, dont let him get to you, God bless.
---Billy on 10/20/06

Well it's nice to finally be able to put a name to a typist. I was hoping you were a real person and not some joke that I didnt get. (he,he) Thanks for your opinion I respect you for it.

Enjoy Studying The Word ......
---Bob on 10/19/06

HEY BOB, Okebaram asked me to come and say hello. And after taking a look at the posts on this blog, I believe I would have to take Okebarams side on this one. Ive checked that serpant seed doctrine out, and it lacks a lot of scripture to support it. Sorry Bob.

Okebaram, bet you never thought that Id agree with you on something did you. Also, ive been wondering why my ears have been burning. "LOL"
---Billy on 10/18/06

Bob, the only false thing I "accused you of" was not replying to Danie's comment about the ark. Actually you differ from Billy because he hasn't been whining like you have (except once). You find my opinions irritable because you do not agree with or understand them. They have contained truth that to you is bitter and a lie.
---Okebaram on 10/18/06

From the beginning of my time on this blog you have accused me of many things I did not say. You make statements about my beliefs, my credibility, and my character. I would like to tell you what you should work on but I only have 85 WORDS. I should not have to defend myself to you when I respond to others questions. I will not correspond with you anymore, it is bearing no fruit.
---Bob on 10/18/06

Bob, work on your temper and self-righteousness too.
---Okebaram on 10/17/06

**Do you believe Cain and Able were twins?**

An interesting idea, but the traditional interpretation says they were born of successive pregnancies.

Now Esau and Jacob were twins--presumably fraternal. And the Bible refers to their being 2 sons in her womb.

The best you can say about C&A being twins is the Scottish verdict of "not proven."
---Jack on 10/17/06

Okebaram -
Yeah .... ... ... ... ... ... Ok. Open mind... ... ... I'll work on that.
---Bob on 10/17/06

Bob, if you read the account of the flood open-mindedly, you will see that the bible explicitly shows that Noah and his family were the only humans aboard that ark. Every other flesh aboard the ark, the bible explains, were specific animals.
---Okebaram on 10/16/06

greetings,for mikem,your post below on 'evidence' recieved a classic response above relation to the question i replied to you on'evidence'on the other blog,faith is independent of science.if one has faith then one has it himself.
---earl on 10/15/06

MikeM, you ask waht evidence Robert has that Adam was the first man! And what about the bible? Not enough evidence?
---Okebaram on 10/15/06

Robert; You say in caps NO one lived before Adam, what objective evidence do you have to back that up? I am sure you will not bail on the question.
---MikeM on 10/14/06

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Okebaram -
I did NOT ignore it. Go up 7 postings from where he mentioned it and I talk about the flood and Noah. If you look and read that you will understand, I believe not only were there animals on the ark but also flesh. (People) That's what Gen 6:19 is talking about when it says flesh. You accuse without understanding. Do research.
---Bob on 10/14/06

Bob has ignored Danie's statement about Noah. Maybe, he doesn't believe in the flood accounted in Genesis.
---Okebaram on 10/13/06

Emg - Greetings
Rom 5:12 -
My interpretation for this passage is:
Sin entered by the acts of one man including death; it was passed to all men.
Gen 3:20 - I explained to elder (look lower on page)
Acts 17:26 -
This passage is talking about "the atoning blood of Christ" that is making man of one blood. To become of one blood all you have to do is ask that Christ be your savior.
Thank you for the passages. (good reading)
---Bob on 10/13/06

Bob, please read Romans 5:12, Genesis 3:20 and Acts 17:26 and note the words 'one man', 'mother of all living' and 'one blood'.
---emg on 10/13/06

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[1] Emg -Gen 1:27-2:1 In 2:1 Thus the Heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.Look up the word host and it means:H6635 tsâbâ' tsebâ'âh tsaw-baw' tseb-aw-aw' From H6633; a mass of persons (or figurative things), especially regularly organized for war (an army); by implication a campaign, literally or figuratively (specifically hardship, worship): - appointed time, (+) army, (+) battle, company, host, service, soldiers, waiting upon, war (-fare).
---Bob on 10/13/06

[2]I do not limit God's ability to do anything, I simply have a different view of the creation aspect. HOST means MASS of people, 2 are not a mass.
Please provide Book, chapter, verse for statement about adam's descentents.
For now, the Bible also says,
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
---Bob on 10/13/06

back to your question Mima, I don't understand all this argument. Doesn't the bible specifically narate the order of conception of Cain and Abel. Cain was older than Abel, it shows!

Bob, explore some other blogs and I bet you'll run into Billy!
---Okebaram on 10/12/06

Bob, are you stating that God made a male and a female of every race? If so, where does scripture say this? If you believe this you seem to be limiting God's ability to populate the earth His own way. His ways are not our ways. The bible states that only descendents of Adam will be saved. Do you doubt your descendency?
---emg on 10/12/06

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Emg -
First thank you for expressing your views in this. My question to you is. Have you ever heard in documented history of two African American people having a white baby when they mated, or two Chinese people conceiving and having an American Indian baby? It just doesn't happen. It's like two Pomeranians having a sheep dog for a pup.
I respect you and your opinion, but no. God created all the races.
---Bob on 10/12/06

danie9374 - (or else 'evil people' came from 'righteous Noah')! Oh now come on...
Gen chapter 6 includes people. (flesh) Look the word up.

From H1319; flesh (from its freshness); by extension body, person; also (by euphemism) the pudenda of a man: - body, [fat, lean] flesh [-ed], kin, [man-] kind, + nakedness, self, skin.

That's right people... Not just animals.
Please do research
---Bob on 10/11/06

Danie9374 -
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said all evil came from Cain. Jesus was very specific where sin comes from:
Matthew 13:37-39 states, "He (Jesus) answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; the enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."
---Bob on 10/11/06

Bob, You ask, 'If God created Adam and Eve, Singularly, where did all the races come from?' They all came from the first couple that God made. Adam and Eve had children, who had children, who had children etc. Incest was not a sin or a problem then, it was the way God intended the first few generations to procreate. Adam and Eve are the original ancestors of every race. God put every genetic combination into Adam and Eve so different races were no problem to Him either.
---emg on 10/11/06

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Danie9374 -
I did not avoid it. Gen 4:1 says a conception happened. Who's? Abel. Gen Chap 3 just spent how much time telling you how Cain's conception happened. Your right not fuzzy at all. Not vague at all.

It's like normal conversation you don't say well that's a horse of a different color and actually mean a horse of a different color.

You CAN'T just be literal or figurative, our lives are intertwined with both - Christ was also.
---Bob on 10/11/06

The reason the Bible focus so much on Adam and his Lineage is because the Christ was to come from his line. Man and Woman were created (All races and creeds). If God created Adam and Eve, Singularly, where did all the races come from?

Gen 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she WAS the mother of all living.

When the scribes and Pharisees were translating the bible WAS was used for the following words- exist, or become, come to pass contin...
---Bob on 10/11/06

The correct interpretation in my opinion is: She BECAME the mother of all living. As much of your belief about this topic is coming from one word "was" as it's interchangeable word "became". When doing the study of WAS remember they used that word a lot in place of BECAME or CAME TO PASS. Thanks Bob
---Bob on 10/11/06

[3] what Jesus said as recorded by (guess who?) JOHN in 8:43-45 "Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me."
---danie9374 on 10/11/06

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[2] Cain was "of the evil one" because he allowed his sinful attitude towards his brother to escalate into murder rather than ask God for help in living righteous! BUT let me point out yet another error in Bob's so-called theory: If he thinks evil people come from Cain, THEN yet again, he refuses to believe in the clarity of Scripture, since he can't believe the Genesis Flood was global (or else 'evil people' came from 'righteous Noah')! Look at the similarity of 1 John 3:12 to [cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/11/06

Okebaram - Who's Billy?
---Bob on 10/11/06

[1] Bob: You totally avoided the most relevant part of Genesis 4:1: That Eve, "conceived and gave birth to Cain" follows immediately AFTER she had relations with Adam (and no one else)! STOP trying to turn the clear words of Scripture into something vague and fuzzy! Genesis 4:1 is clearly literal, straightforward. THEN you turn round and say we must interpret passages which use 'figurative speech' (e.g., 1John 3:12) as being literal. [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 10/11/06

Bob, what do I do with Gen 1:26 and 2:1-7. Gen 1 says God did this and Gen 2 says this is how God did it.
1:26-31 God created man and woman, blessed them, gave them dominion, and at the end of the 6th day the heavens and earth were finished and all the host of them. The 7th day God rested because all His work was finished 2:1-2.
What does finished mean in these verses?
What about Gen 5 when it refers back to Gen 1:26? How am I to understand Gen 3:20 when it says Eve is the mother of all living?
---Elder on 10/10/06

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Bob, I am talking about balance in interpreting the scriptures and not in your personal life or relationships. I don't know you personally, but I can assert your ideology when it comes to doctrinal literacy. In that regard there are many others like you on this blog, and I do not apologize for what I said. You strike me as being very much like Billy.
---Okebaram on 10/10/06

Okebaram, People like me, Christian, Father, and Husband... I apply balance in every aspect of my life. You don't know me. You are judging me based on responses on a blog. When I teach my three children I teach at a 1st level of understanding (Childlike). When I study for myself I let the Holy Spirit guide the book for the day, the passage and the understanding. People like me... if your Christian, YOUR people like me.
---Bob on 10/10/06

Bob, that's the problem with people like you: you don't apply balance. Some make the bible too simple, others, like you, try to find "extra implications" to everything in the bible. Balance is understanding that some parts of the bible are explicit and others mysterious, but not ignored.
---Okebaram on 10/10/06

Robert; You say in caps NO one lived before Adam, what objective evidence do you have to back that up? I am sure you will not bail on the question.
---MikeM on 10/10/06

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It is not important whether Cain and Abel were twins or simply siblings. I believe the latter. The silence of the Bible on the children of Adam and Eve does not mean they did not exist. As the Lord said, "Come, let us reason together..."

Adam was the first man. NO-ONE came on this earth before him. Eve was created afterwards, that Adam was not alone. They had children. Cain, Abel and Seth are but three of those many sons and daughters that a 900+ year marriage would bring into being.
---Robert on 10/10/06

Elder - Not to beat a dead horse ... If you read Gen 1:27 - 2:1 Just read it, no thought, do it with the level of understanding of a child.

That is exactly what I am saying. People get into this mode where they have heard something said or explained a certian way for their whole life, and when someone suggests differently they get very upset. They call good intentioned people quacks and say they should open ice cream shops. What those people are doing is reinforcing the lack of knowledge.
---Bob on 10/9/06

Okebaram- the first time you entered the conversation was to complain that people ask a simple question and don't get a simple answer. Then made a comment about me and Earl starting an Ice cream business. The reason you don't get a simple answer to the bible is it is a multi level book with different meanings you take away from it the more in depth you study.(more the holy spirit helps you see)
---Bob on 10/9/06

There are two creation stories, they were but together by the KJV people. Maybe Cain got his wife from among the Neanderthal women? Seriously, Adam was the first covenated man. His sons were born within that covenent, maybe that explains why all the people before Adam are not in scripture, as well as the two creation stories. the Y and the E.--?
---MikeM on 10/9/06

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Elder ... that is how I read it, that the whole of creation was made, including mankind ... the God decided to make Adam.
I wonder where Bob got that idea from?
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/9/06

Bob are you saying that Adam was created after God rested from all creation? How could that be?
---Elder on 10/9/06

Bob, what you are saying is strange, unbiblical and untrue, period. I won't even comment on it, I just don't understand why it seems like there's almost no topic from the bible that someone doesn't have their own wierd take on. I won't be surprised npw if I spoke of David being Jesse's son and a blogger suggests that David descended from heaven. So drop the self-pity talk, no one is attacking you.
---Okebaram on 10/9/06

Okebaram, I see a pattern also. It is hurtful to meaningful conversation to make fun of someone because they share a different view. It is the level of understanding that is in question here. If one person is on a level to believe sin was over an apple, so be it. If another has a deeper understanding who the Father of all sin is and how it is introduced, so be it. Please don't be detrimental to the blog; good info is being exchanged here.
---Bob on 10/9/06

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I do not know Earl. I think Earl is a person who has a good working knowledge of the Bible. I respect his opinion because he seems to be an intelligent person with a holy spirit inspired understanding of the bible. As I respect many of you. How some of you say my definitions are unbiblical when I quote passages from the bible? (With their meanings.) Its ok, some of you are comfortable with the fog you are in. Peace be with you.
---Bob on 10/9/06

I see this pattern in many blogs, a person askses a simple, honest insightful question, and then all of a sudden people are producing forth strange, unbiblical doctrines that may relate to the subject but even have nothing to do with the initial question. Bob and Earl should really look into that ice cream business.
---Okebaram on 10/9/06

Bob/Earl You two(or one) use a lot of rhetoric that sounds identity-like, if not, I suspect you are a religion with one member, and that member is one person, Bobearl.
---MikeM on 10/9/06

Bob ... so Adam was not the first man?
It was not until later that sleeping with brother or sister was made a sin.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/9/06

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If, as you say, there were people here before Adam and Eve, they would not have been affected by original sin and Eve could not be the mother of all living. Gen 3:20.
---Bruce5656 on 10/9/06

Elder on the sister thing:
Lev 20:17 And if834 a man376 shall take3947 (853) his sister,269 his father's1 daughter,1323 or176 his mother's517 daughter,1323 and see7200 (853) her nakedness,6172 and she1931 see7200 (853) his nakedness;6172 it1931 is a wicked thing;2617 and they shall be cut off3772 in the sight5869 of their people:1121, 5971 he hath uncovered1540 his sister's269 nakedness;6172 he shall bear5375 his iniquity.577
---Bob on 10/9/06


Deu 27:22 Cursed779 be he that lieth7901 with5973 his sister,269 the daughter1323 of his father,1 or176 the daughter1323 of his mother.517 And all3605 the people5971 shall say,559 Amen.543

Thank you Elder.
---Bob on 10/9/06

danie9374, God places a soul in every person. "and bore3205 (853) Cain,7014 and said,559 I have gotten7069 a man376 from854 the LORD.3068" Even today mothers can bear children from different fathers, (IE. one from one race one from another) ((one black one white)) Have you never heard of this?
1Jo 3:12 Not3756 as2531 Cain,2535 who was2258 of1537 that wicked one,4190 and2532 slew4969 his848 brother Thank you for your interest.
---Bob on 10/9/06

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Elder Gen 4:25 And Adam121 knew3045 his wife again; and she bore3205 a son,and called7121 his name8034 Seth:8352 For3588 God,said she, hath appointed7896 me another312 seed2233 instead of8478 Abel,whom Cain7014 slew. Rom 5:14 Nevertheless235 death2288 reigned936 from575 Adam76 to3360 Moses,even2532 over1909 them that had not sinned264, 3361 after1909 the3588 similitude3667 of Adam's76 transgression,who3739 is2076 the figure5179 of him3588 that was to come. Adam was the path of Christ.
---Bob on 10/9/06

Elder - Greetings, my verse reference is Gen 1:27-1:31 then in 2:1 is states "Thus the heavens8064 and the earth776 were finished,3615 and all3605 the host6635 of them." After the seventh day he rests, and later forms ADAM and creates the garden of Eden. The word host means a mass of persons... Follow the progression...
---Bob on 10/9/06

For all their 'rhetoric,' NOTE that neither Bob nor Earl have explained from Scripture why they refuse to believe the clear words of Genesis 4:1: "Adam knew [had relations with] Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD." Cain was Adam's biological son; plain and simple! Furthermore, Scripture doesn't dispute Eve's claim that Cain was "from the LORD!" So, it's a perversion to say otherwise!
---danie9374 on 10/9/06

Bob please give me scripture reference for your statements in I do all of my studying from the Bible KJV...on 10/07
I wantta use your statement.
---Elder on 10/9/06

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Up to this point I have not attacked- To MikeM- why do you automatically assume that I joined a hate group? Is that what Christian Identity is? I did a search (on internet) and that is what I came up with. Why would you accuse me of that? Just because I have a different level of understanding than you, you get defensive. What a pity people are so willing to hold onto their ignorance that they will believe anything not to believe the truth.
---Bob on 10/8/06

greetings,for mikem,if you refer jargon to the 1st.definition then there is no confusion here ,if the second then the answer again is no ,if the third then the answer again is no.there is no confusion,no special vocabulary nor pretentious language i have used.your reply
---earl on 10/7/06

I do all of my studying from the Bible KJV. I usually have a strongs concordance not far... Cain married a woman NOT from Adam and Eve. To marry a sister is wrong now, and was wrong then. God created man and woman 6th day, rested, and later made ADAM (HaHadam)((most like god)) Special because he was to be the bloodline for Christ, and Keeper of the Garden of Eden. People were here before Adam and Eve Thats where Cain got a wife.
---Bob on 10/7/06

greetings,for alan of uk,greetings to you,
---earl on 10/7/06

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greetings,for mikem,thanks for your reply,ive read some of your posts.your background is of intrest in many ways,in relation to historical facts paralleling religious documentation i think you know much thay cannot be presented in 85 words.i will need update on your phrase christian far as it being unique,it is. of everyones development each one will decide to or not to reexamine tradition that has been taught for jargon,ive have said nothing that i believe is not true.your reply
---earl on 10/7/06

Adam and Eve had many many sons and daughters. Therefore Cain married one of his many many sisters.
---Denise on 10/7/06

Earl ... Elder's NAME is Elder
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/7/06

Earl, you said, "you have created in it the way to cast the darkness of suspicion upon me."
Maybe you should be more worried about how people accept your message than yourself.
If you have your heart on your sleeve at least put it in your pocket.
Share the Word of God. No opinions, feelings or part Truths, Just God's Word.
If I ask you to prove your statements from the Word can you? Will you?
---Elder on 10/7/06

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earl/bob; You jargon is unique and idiosyncratic. I suspect it is some variation of 'Christian identity.' Am I correct?
---MikeM on 10/7/06

greetings,a reply on cain's wife..cain ,after killing his brother traveled east of the second garden to the land of nod,an inhabited territory of people and there he add, his first son was named enoch
---earl on 10/7/06

Where did Cain get his wife?
---MikeM on 10/7/06

greetings,for elder, in your apology you have created in it the way to cast the darkness of suspicion upon me.forgive them Father for thet know not what they do.i forgive my brother and neighbor as my Father forgives me.
---earl on 10/6/06

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Ah.. Earl and Bob all I asked is where you got your stuff from? Is there something that bothers you about that? Is there something you are doing wrong?
Earl you are quick to jump to assumptions. You have no idea why I use the name Elder. Maybe you should ask then you could comment intelligently on that issue. Why do you use Earl?
I apologize, I hope you both do start selling ice creme. Is that better?
---Elder on 10/6/06

Ah.. Earl and Bob all I asked is where you got your stuff from? Is there something that bothers you about that? Is there something you are doing wrong?
Earl you are quick to jump to assumptions. You have no idea why I use the name Elder. Maybe you should ask then you could comment intelligently on that issue. Why do you use Earl?
I apologize, I hope you both do start selling ice creme. Is that better?
---Elder on 10/6/06

Although you may attack, do research. Abel when you look up his name (strongs) means: hebel
The same as H1892; Hebel, the son of Adam: - Abel.
Cain means:H7014

The same as H7013 (with a play upon the affinity to H7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe: - Cain, Kenite (-s).
Why would God be so specific with Abel and not Cain?
Follow to prime root --- womans mourning
---Bob on 10/6/06

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