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Israel Territory By God

If we recognize the fact that the Jewish nation of Israel was given certain territory by Almighty God, what is to be done with the heathen (Arabs) that Live of on that land today?

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Lari_S:

Regardless of their genetics, according to the law of Moses, strangers that converted to Judaism were grafted into the nation if Israel, so they became joint heirs.
---StrongAxe on 12/28/07


Just because Jews had a kingdom there 2500 years ago, their decendants do not have any more claim on the land today than than the decendants of the Aztecs have on Mexico, or the decendants of the Visigoths have on Spain.
---InimicusStultitiae on 12/27/07


The question was purposely worded that way because that is the way I was asked by a participant in a round table discussion about Israel and Arabs. I appreciate the intensity of the answers. My answer to this question was I Do not know. We can be sure God gave the Jewish people certain lands and set the boundaries thereto. For now I agree with---rober 9463's answer. But I do not know the final answer.
---Mima on 12/27/07


You seem to imply that all Arabs living in the Territory are heathen....which is not true.
---pkay on 12/26/07


Some books for you to get a bit more aware of the situation:

Christians And a Land Called Holy: How We Can Foster Justice, Peace, And Hope by Charles P. Lutz & Robert O. Smith

Whose Land? Whose Promise?: What Christians Are Not Being Told About Israel and the Palestinians: by Gary M. Burge

Christian Zionism: Road-Map to Armageddon? by Stephen R. Sizer
---Nuts on 3/12/07




wow, I can't believe this question.
Are you calling for ethnic cleansing?!
May God protect ALL the decendants of Abraham - ALL of whom were also blessed by God according to the Christian bible. Churches have stood there for 2000 years - would you like them demolished to make some nice new houses?

The Arab muslims and CHRISTIANS should be allowed to LIVE THERE IN PEACE.

---Khadijah on 3/12/07


Mary5544 , thanks for your suggestion.
---Lari_S on 12/6/06


Lari_S - Just a suggestion...might want to try not using sooooo many capital letters for your posts. This will keep some of your posts from showing up and what you think is being censored is actually being deleted for other reasons. again, Just a suggestion.
---mary5544 on 12/6/06


It is a MYTH to BELIEVE that present day ZIONIST CAUCASIAN ASHKENAZI(son of GOMER,grandson of JAPHETH)JEWS(KHAZARS) were given Palestine(present day ISRAEL)by God.It is a FACT that THEY have NO BIOLOGICAL or GENETIC TIES to the Biblical Hebrew-Israelites and Palestine(present day ISRAEL).They are CONVERTS to JUDAISM(740 A.D.)and have their ORIGINS from RUSSIA,POLAND and GERMANY so THEY have NO DIVINE RIGHTS or PROPHESY to PALESTINE.
---Lari_S on 12/5/06


God did not restore the Nation of Israel in 1947, The UN did. So until God actually does so and tales care of the Palestinian Problem and the Islamic Dome of the Rock; 1947 should not be used as a trigger date in anyone's end time scenarios. When God actually restores the Nation of Israel some time in the future it will be done right with out all of the current political problems and bombings. What we have now is a contrivance of Man not God.
---notlaw99 on 12/5/06




1/ Eloy,

YOU WROTE: Nevertheless, if Christ Jesus was a black Ethiopian or a red Indian or a yellow Oriental or any other color rather than white as he is, then I would still love and worship him no less and no more than what I already do.

WHITE AS HE IS? Where did you get that from? PROVE IT! History and THE BIBLE clearly show that JESUS was AFRO-ASIATIC. Jesus and Moses were what would be considered BLACK in modern society, which I will show using the Bible!
---I_AM on 12/5/06


2/ Eloy, what are the geographical boundaries of the four (4) rivers mentioned in Genesis (Garden of Eden) and which of Noahs son / grandchildren occupied the area? Since you accept the MYTH of Noahs three sons, how can the same mother and father have BLACK, WHITE and YELLOW sons? Do you know the source of this myth? Please research this myth. You will be shocked to find that such racist statements could come from so-called religious leaders!
---I_AM_I on 12/5/06


3/ Eloy, the racist statements served their purpose. They have left many generations confused and DIVIDED, especially since the 15th Century. You mentioned Shem, Noahs YELLOW son in rebuttal to my statement that there is no SEMITIC or HAMITIC race. Eloy, a semite is anyone whose culture includes a national language in the semitic language group, which is a branch in the AFRO-ASIATIC group of languages. There is no such thing as a Jewish race either. You have Black, White and Yellow Jewish people.
---I_AM_I on 12/5/06


4/ Eloy,

Ancient historians, including Flavius Josephus, Celsus, Plutarch, Tacitus, Esebius, Diordorus, etc., maintain that the original Hebrews/Israelites were a group of Ethiopians and/or Egyptians who were forced to leave Egypt for Canaan. Celsus had several origins for them. Of course, you have already been told that Herodotus said *the Egyptians and Ethiopians have thick lips, broad nose, woolly hair, and they are burnt of skin.*
---I_AM_I on 12/5/06


5/ Noahs BLACK son Ham is the father Mizraim (Egypt), Cush (Ethiopia), Phut (Arabia) and Canaan (Palestine/Israel). Gen. 10:1, 6. Noahs YELLOW son Shem had ELAM, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram. Arphaxad had Salah, who had Eber. ABRAHAM, the first Haribu/Hebrew, is through Ebers lineage. Where does it say that Abraham is white?
---I_AM_I on 12/5/06


6/ Abraham was born in Ur of the Chaldean (Gen. 11:27-31), which is located in the state of Babel (Babylon), which was part of Nimrods kingdom in the land of Shinar. Gen. 10:10. Nemrod is the Black grandson of Ham, who is Yellow Shems brother. Babylon was in southern Mesopotamia.
---I_AM_I on 12/5/06


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7/ Eloy, Abraham went into the land of Canaan (Gen. 12:1-7), son of Ham, and then visited Egypt (Mizraim), son of Ham (Gen 12:10-20). Back in Canaan, Abraham had Ishmael with his Egyptian handmaid Hagar and Isaac with his wife Sarah. This started the intermixing of Black Ham and Yellow Shem. Eloy, history shows the ELAMITES (Shems son) with the black blood. There is even a black portrait of a Elamite king in Suss/Sumer (Mesopotamia).
---I_AM_I on 12/5/06


8/ Eloy, Isaac had Jacob and Esau. Esau intermixed with Ishmael lineage and Jacob produced the twelve (12) tribes of Israel. Joseph, Moses and Jesus are interesting people. I will discuss them upon YOUR PROOF that they are white!
---I_AM_I on 12/5/06


9/ Eloy, we will revisit later your Solomon being white and ruddy (RED) as your corrupted KJV translator is selling. The verse clearly is DAZZLING and RED. However, if you still insist that it is WHITE, I will show you some WHITE--RED people like Solomon, who are considered BLACK today!

Eloy, THANKS FOR THE DISCUSSION ON THIS ISSUE. AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE, PEOPLE (black, white and yellow) RUN FROM SUCH DISCUSSION. That is sad! God bless.
---I_AM_I on 12/5/06


1/Eloy,

YOU WROTE: "My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand." Song of Solomon 5:10.

That is from the corrupted KJV translator. Many other translations, including the New International and New American, do not have the word WHITE. They have RADIANT and ruddy. Other translations have the word DAZZLING! Interestingly, they have the word DARK when referring to the female lover (1:5).
---I_AM_I on 12/4/06


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2/ Eloy,

The Bible proves you wrong on Miriams leprosy. Here are the verses and the people involving leprosy in scriptures: Moses, Miriam, Naaman and Gehazi (Exo. 4:6-7; Num. 12:10; 2 Kings 5:1, 27). The act of turning black skin white and black again was truly a *miracle.* The Vulgate and modern Bible say Moses* hand was *leprous as snow,* but the Septuagint Bible, which dates back to about 250 B.C., says Moses* hand *BECAME AS SNOW* and IT WAS RESTORED TO THE COMPLEXION OF THE OTHER FLESH.
---I_AM_I on 12/4/06


3/

You are basically saying that Moses* skin turned white and returned back to white again. If that was the case, Gods miracle to Moses would have been useless. God had Moses (Exo. 4:6-7) put his hand in his bosom and take it out to show him how POWERFUL God is: God can turn the skin from black to white and back to black. Leprosy is also mentioned in Chapters 13 and 14 of Leviticus and in other scriptures. I will analyze those scriptures in a future post if this is still not clear to you.
---I_AM_I on 12/4/06


My position is maintained upon the holy word of God and truth, and nothing that any clay has to say. "My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand." Song of Solomon 5:10. Nevertheless, if Christ Jesus was a black Ethiopian or a red Indian or a yellow Oriental or any other color rather than white as he is, then I would still love and worship him no less and no more than what I already do. Hallelujah! Praise you Jesus! my King of kings and Lord of lords!
---Eloy on 12/2/06


1/ Mum, thanks. God bless your heart!

YOU WROTE: To get into this area spells racism and it is one of the most ugliest issues in the world. Lord have mercy

As difficult as the subject of race, ethnicity and gender (female) in Christianity is, they must be discussed! Women are treated as second class citizens in scriptures, even though Jesus treated them equally. More importantly, RACE was not an issue during the times of the Bible.
---I_AM_I on 12/1/06


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2/ Mum, the Sunday morning hours are still the most segregated hours in the world, despite the integration effort of those mega churches, Black and White. Why? We are all praying to the same God, right? Also, whenever I see someone imputing RACE into the Bible, like the comment that Miriam was mad because Moses married a black Ethiopian, that MUST BE ADDRESSED correctly, however nicely it is dressed up!
---I_AM_I on 12/1/06


3/ Mum, comments like that are using 16th through 21st Centuries frame of reference to re-write race identification into biblical times WHEN RACE WAS NOT AN ISSUE!!!


YOU WROTE: The world wwould be such a paradise to live in if not for colour preferences.

No it would not be a paradise, because it was not during biblical times. However, the world would be a better place if people stop avoiding the discussion of race and its overt and subtle use!!!
---I_AM_I on 12/1/06


4/ Mum, please remain and give your input into what should be a spiritually uplifting and releasing discussion. GOD said THE TRUTH shall indeed set us free, Black, White and Yellow. However discomforting Gods TRUTH is, we should speak and live it! That includes honestly and forthrightly dealing with scriptures and the historical people of the Bible. If history shows President Kennedy as White and Dr. Marin Luther King, Jr. as Black, then they should be portrayed that way, right?
---I_AM_I on 12/1/06


History/Egyptology proves Egyptian Pharaohs were not only white but many had blond or red hair as found on their & families mummies.Also proves there was only 1/2 Century,50 years, Egypt had black Pharaohs that was in 900 BC,due to the fact the Nubians,from Nubia, had conquered Egypt in war. At one time there was even a law forbidding blacks to be in Egypt,and when there only as slaves, the Hieroglyphics, and mummies back this up.Only at end of Pharaonic era did they even marry mixed race women.
---Darlene_1 on 12/1/06


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time for me, the real bob [bob6749] to leave here once again. debate on!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 12/1/06


I-AM-I,you are 100 percent correct.It is a historical FACT,the ancient Egyptians,Biblical Hebrew-Israelites and the Ethiopians were BLACK people.Here are the FACTS:
1.TACITUS(70 A.D.)states the JEWS were race of ETHIOPIAN origin.
2.HERODOTUS(Histories Book II)states the EGYPTIANS and ETHIOPIANS have THICK lips,BROAD noses,WOOLY-hair and BURNT(BLACK)skin.
3.Sigmund Freud(Moses and Monothiesm)states that MOSES was EGYPTIAN.
4.Sir T.W.ARNOLD(Preaching of Islam)states MOSES was a BLACK MAN.
---Lari_S on 11/30/06


After constantly reading blogs, posts, etc pertaining to 'race' differences to qualify/disqualify certain 'things'. It's finally dawned on me that these 'race' questions are really 'superiority' issues, wrapped in "we're all G_d's children" christian gospel. What else? Some "born again" people still haven't been fully delivered from 'some' things! No? Cp. these answers to unequality yoked answers or mention O.J.. WE ALL HAVE STORIES TO TELL! Glad I'm delivered & being delivered daily!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 11/30/06


I Am I: I agree with you. It is very interesting to study all these things about people, races etc. God said we are all one just as they Father Son H/S are one. No colour bar etc. The world wwould be such a paradise to live in if not for colour preferences. To get into this area spells racism and it is one of the most ugliest issues in the world. Lord have mercy
---mum on 11/30/06


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I AM I, Leprosy is a disease which consumes the flesh and disfigures a person. Are you not hearing what I post, for I already said that the color of Miriam's flesh was the same color as Moses' flesh, which was also the same color as the Israelites, that is white. But you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 11/30/06


I Am I, There are Semites, for Sem is one of the sons of Noah.
---Eloy on 11/30/06


Most posts using irrevelent 'pigmented race' questions/statements are wrong. One cannot look at civilizations before the tower in babel through post tower in babel eyes when peoples epidermis' changed significantly because of geographics. Even Noah's three son's had to have been of the same 'colour' despite color caused 'cursed' allegations by not a few. People banded together because of common languages, not pigmentations! Whered they settled eventually determined their 'house' colours. continued:
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 11/30/06


Look at the area G_d told Abram to depart from, or where Isaac & Jacobs wives came from. Arabs are direct descendants of the now Abra(ham) & Hagar, nothing to do with skin colour. Read Gen.11:1-2, 5-9. God changed/confounded their speech, not their 'colours'. Race(ism) is another tool/invention of satan, through Darwins/Atheist's/Evolutionists White Ape/black ape 'theory', used like other tools for his purpose to destroy what G_d made in His/G_d's image & likeness. continued:
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 11/30/06


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Relying soley on modern racially inspired science to determine one's blessings, cursings, etc isn't "rightly dividing [G_d's] word(s) of truth", causing more errors/confusion.

Heathens? Simply unbelieving goel's/gentile's, idol worshippers, etc [Matt.6:7, 18:17] among other scriptures. Most of today's sciences originated from pre-babel's tower geographics! Moses, & kin became 'white' when 'absorbed' into [near] modern cultures. The Exodus people were 'mixed' in many different ways!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 11/30/06


1/ Eloy

As you know if you accept the story about Noahs three sons, there are ONLY three races: Black, White and Yellow. There is no SEMITIC RACE of people not in the Bible and not in history. Semitic refers to a branch of language in the AFRO-ASIATIC group of languages! Words like Semitic, Hamitic, etc., are recent INVENTIONS, and were not known to people in the Bible or in history during those times!!! There are people who are Black, Yellow and White who speak semitic languages!
---I_AM_I on 11/29/06


2/ Eloy, you still have not answered the question of what color was Miriams hand before God turned it white. Please answer the question! Also, if Moses was White as you claimed, Pharaoh would have killed him, since Pharaoh ordered the death of male Hebrew/Israelite babies. Moses grew up and was taught in Pharaohs palace and in Egypts Mystery Systems. He learnt ALL THE WISDOM OF EGYPT. (Act. 7:22.)
---I_AM_I on 11/29/06


3/ Eloy, Pharaoh would have wondered what his black daughter was doing with a white baby in the palace. Moses would have stood out if he was white, and Pharaoh would have seen and killed him. Moses blended with Pharaoh and his family. As I told you before, the Egyptians and Ethiopians were brothers and sisters, and the Hebrews/Israelites were black like them. Amos 9:7 tells us that the Ethiopians and the children or men of Israel are the same, and the Israelites were brought out of Egypt.
---I_AM_I on 11/29/06


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4/ Eloy, the boundaries of Egypt and Ethiopia were wider and longer in ancient history than they are now. Nonetheless, Egypt, Ethiopia and Israel are on the same continent they have been on since God created the world: AFRICA! I hope you know that the term Middles East is also a recent INVENTION! These facts were not taught in history classes but are easily verifiable through many sources. Finally, and in response to the last sentence in your post, I DESIRE TO KNOW THE TRUTH!!!
---I_AM_I on 11/29/06


5/Eloy, this is a difficult subject for most people, but I am happy you raised the discussion. Perhaps you feel as I do: that this is a subject that should be discussed in Christianity. There was no issue of race during the times in the Bible. The races intermingled freely. The fact that some of the early church fathers and popes were Black was irrelevant to the goal or objective of spreading Christianity. Nonetheless, history is important, biblical or otherwise! God bless.
---I_AM_I on 11/29/06


remind me again what was the guarntee for Israel to keep the land?

Oh that's right it was that they follow God. Well I think Israel doesn't hold claim to the land. THe promised land was a forshadow of Heaven the geography isn't and never was really that important except that it was good land and it was on the Major passage between the major kingdoms of Earth. Remember they were to be the light to the nations, and that wasn't because of land but because of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
---Jared on 11/29/06


Jack, you are absolutely correct!
---I_AM_I on 11/29/06


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.jack, The bride in the Song of Solomon was not born with black skin, but she said that she was darkened by the sun: "I dark, but beautiful, O all you daughters of Jerusalem,...Look not upon me, because I dark, because the sun has tanned me..." Song of Solomon 1:5,6. Anyhow, as I've already posted, the Semites are generally white, and in contrast the Ethiopians are generally black, but all are of the same color on the inside.
---Eloy on 11/29/06


**Also, Solomon described himself as BLACK but comely.**

Actually, that is the BRIDE who so describes herself, as it is the Bride who later calls herself the lily of the valley.
---Jack on 11/29/06


I AM I, Originally the Israelites from Jacob's loins were white people, even as still today the semites are generally white-skinned people with dark hair. And the Ethiopians and the Africans are generally black-skinned people with dark hair. Moses was a white boy, and his wife Zipporah a black girl. But you will believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 11/28/06


1/Eloy, the Jews (Zionist) now may me White, but scriptures show that the Hebrew/Israelite were like the Egyptians, and HISTORY shows the Egyptians were generally Black, like the Ethiopians. Remember when Moses murdered his brother Egyptian and fled from one part of Egypt to the other, the women retrieving water from the well SAID HE WAS AN EGYPTIAN. They said an Egyptian helped them. Also, Solomon described himself as BLACK but comely.
---I_AM_I on 11/28/06


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2/ Thus, Miriam was not being a racist by being upset at Moses for marrying a black Ethiopian. Her prejudice was not one based on race. It was based on ETHNICITY, which is just as bad in the eyes of God. If you intend to pursue this point, then answer my question of what color was Miriam's hand before God turned it white and then returned it to its original color!
---I_AM_I on 11/28/06


I AM I, Miriam was prejudice because Moses' wife was not an Israelite, but also Zipporah's skin was not white like their own. For scripture reads that the Nazarites were white and the Ethiopians black. Generally, birds of a feather flock together; the Jews are white with black hair, and the Ethiopians are black with black hair.
---Eloy on 11/27/06


I AM I, Miriam was prejudice because Moses' wife was not an Israelite, but also Zipporah's skin was not white like their own. For scripture reads that the Nazarites were white and the Ethiopians black. Generally, birds of a feather flock together; the Jews are white with black hair, and the Ethiopians are black with black hair.
---Eloy on 11/27/06


There are many Jewish heathens, being Jewish by ethnic origin only, and not practicing or believing in the Jewish faith, nor even in God.
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/27/06


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Eloy, you are absolutely correct about Adams color on the inside and the color of his blood. I only responded to your comment because it implied that Miriam based her prejudice on skin color, which she did not. Her prejudice was based on ethnicity, which is still bad in the eyes of GOD! God bless.
---I_AM_I on 11/27/06


I AM I, look deeper, for love surpasses skin color. All ethnics of Adam have the same color on the inside, the same color of blood. Miriam was prejudice and blamed her brother, therefore was she stuck by God.
---Eloy on 11/27/06


Mima: I am shocked to read that you made such an ignorant generalization about Arabs. Arabs are a nationality, just as American and German are nationalities. Arabs are not heathens by birth. As has been said, there are many Arab Christians, just as there are many American Christians, and Christians from many other nationalities. You have really disappointed me with this remark.
---Madison1101 on 11/26/06


1/ Eloy, YOU WROTE: When ignorant Miriam accused Moses for marrying a black Ethiopian, God struck her with leprosy.---ELOY

Eloy, since God turned Miriam's hand white and then turned it back to its original color, what was the original color of Miriam's hand? Also, what color was Moses the Hebrew/Israelite since he married a black Ethiopian?
---I_AM_I on 11/26/06


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Eloy is correct.
My dictionary gives the definition of heathen as "One who is neither Christian, Jew or Muslim"
---AlanUK_quent5969 on 11/24/06


Not all Arabs are heathen. "God is no repecter of persons, and has made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell upon all the face of the earth." God is not a racist, he loves the Arabs as well as he loves the Jews, and both deserve to live in harmony in the same territory together. When ignorant Miriam accused Moses for marrying a black Ethiopian, God struck her with leprosy. So also Arabs marry Jews, and what God has joined together should not be divided by man.
---Eloy on 11/24/06


I heard that bad things happened to the USA right after the President asked Israel to give up more land. You can read about it at Snopes web site under religion.
---Virginia on 11/24/06


# 2 He also maintained that Turks are Arabs ... I think not.
But I would be interested to learn which of the following are Arabs.
Iranians (I think not since they are Persians)
Iraquis (Mesopotamians)
Lybians
Moroccans.
Algerians
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/13/06


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# 1 It is interesting to see the ignorance of Christians, evebn those who claim to be full "Bible-beleivin'"
I was talking yesterday to one such, who was spouting much irrelevant bible passages, and yet seemed unable to accept that Egyptians, and even Pakistanis were not Arabs.
To him, Muslim meant Arab.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/13/06


Many of the Arabs living in the Holy Land are CHRISTIANS who have lived there since the times of the Apostles.

Yes, it's a minority, but to assume that Arab is a synonym for "heathen" shows grave ignorance of our elder sisters and brothers in Christ there and insults them.
---Jack on 8/11/06


Well, hopefully the "heathen" or Christian Arabs won't be forced off their land (that belonged in their families for 2000 years) and murdered like they were during the Palestinian diaspora. Even elderly couples, widows and children were forced to walk to Syria and Jordan or killed.
---augusta on 8/11/06


I believe Daniel 12:1 answers that mimi; They're going, Israel's staying for now and prevailing.
---rober9463 on 8/11/06


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