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Heavenbound With No Church

Can a person be saved and so go to Heaven despite not attending church?

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You could look at it like, do I want to go to Heaven on this cruise ship, which might be going the wrong way? Do I want to go on a rowing boat which is probably going the right way and I can even help with the decisions? Do I want to take my chance on my own in the water (which is better than going to Hell on the cruise ship)? It is a very very important thing to choose the right church because some of them are possibly out to send you to hell. See how they compare to Paul's instructions.
---frances008 on 3/13/08


"King David, I want a personal relationship with you and for you to be my personal king, but I don't see why I should live within your kingdom or even have anything to do with it."

"Honey, I love you, and I'm glad you're my wife, but I don't see why I need to live with you."

"It's just You and me, Jesus. I don't need Your Body, which is the Church."
---Jack on 3/12/08


In ACTS 16:31-32 we find this exchange,"And brought them out, and said,SIRS,WHAT MUST I DO TO BE SAVED?
"And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
Paul, who got his instructions from Jesus Christ, fails to mention going to church as one of the requirements for salvation. Could it possibly be that going to church is not a requirement for salvation? Think about it!!!
---Mima on 7/19/07


Mitsy: You need to be discipled and taught the Word of God. Someone said earlier and so did I: this applies to able-bodied people only. If you are ill, live in a country where church is forbidden and so forth, persecution, well, God already knows this. You read your bible, pray and stay close to God as possible. Use wisdom,now.
But attending church is for those who are not ill and are able to walk, drive and get there some kind of way. We are required to meet with the bretheren.
---Robyn on 7/12/07


More: IIllness would probably be the only exceptable excuse for not going to church, in this country, that I know of. Even being elderly/old would not make you exempt. Elderly people who are not ill should attend services, whenever they can. If only once a month. In other words...Go to church. God admonishes us to do so and we should follow in obedience. We lose so much when we distance ourselves from others. God knows what He is doing. Very wise and loving.
---Robyn on 7/12/07




Run,Run,Run, for dear life if you are a true Christian from false preachers and teachers. Obey God in EVERYTHING. And God is saying>>>Run,Run Run from false preachers and false teachers. If you ever expect to make it to heaven. RUN.++
---catherine on 7/11/07


Sue, P2: And when Paul was addressing Timothy he was not speaking generically about a loose collection of independent worshippers knowing nothing of each other. This is also reflected in 1 Corinthians 11:22, where Paul chastises those who behave poorly during the communion service - they were joined together at a common meeting place, not off on their own.
---lorra8574 on 7/11/07


Sue, P3: I do not think that God punishes those who are unable to go to church through no fault of their own, or if they truly cannot find a suitable house of God to attend, but rebellion or laziness is another matter. Jesus established a literal Church, not a general philosophy, for a reason. No man is an island, we need each other and God.
---lorra8574 on 7/11/07


Hey! Christians who believe in Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour do go to heaven even if they don't attend church. Yes, church is wonderful. Some countries have no church and it's illegal for them to even worship Jesus, so I think they'd go to heaven. Some people work on Sunday or are disallusioned with the church. If they believe in Jesus, I think they go to heaven.
---Mitsy on 7/11/07


God is Sovereign & can choose to save anyone, regardless their actions - like the thief on the cross.

Rom 8:9 But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

But if you are saved (have His Spirit), you will want to honor Him, and will want to gather with other saints to worship Him.
---a_servant on 7/11/07




John3:3"nothing about going to church,to see the Kingdom of God.
Acts2:21Whoever,CALL upon the Lord Not the church,Jesus Christ alone is salvation,
salvation/deliverance from sin,Sin is what seperated us from God,God is in heaven.
Attending church has Nothing to with salvation/Heaven.To attend church help to live victorious on earth vs a defeated life, Still goin to Heaven.Will live a life of shame,without the church, For we are told to assemble with those of likemind, the Body of Christ.
---Charla on 7/11/07


Sue, 1 Timothy 3:15 "But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth."

It is true that Biblically the terms "house" and "church" can have a broader application, but when David entered the House of God and ate the showbread, this was not a generic usage but a specific place.
---lorra8574 on 7/11/07


Sue, you hit the nail right on the head. When you said you simply don't want to go to church. No one can make you go. It is a desire that comes from the heart. You need to ask God why that desire left. You are the clay, let God is the potter, let him mold you into what he wants you to be. God can't work on an willing vessel. If you refuse to go to church, how do you expect to get closer to him and fellowship with others? God told Jeremiah that we have to go.
---Rebecca_D on 7/11/07


Yes. And here is a warning>>>True Christians are suppose to run,run,run,run, from uncalled, unsaved, false teachers, and preachers. Being mislead is very,very,very, DANGEROUS thing, if you expect to ever make it to heaven. Satan don't mind if you go to church,he is there too. It is what you do Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, and saturday, that really counts. Not how many times you attend church each week. Obey God in EVERYTHING.++
---catherine on 7/11/07


Yes, you guys are probably so right. I probably should find a church and go. I do study the Bible though, sometimes alone, sometimes with my daughter or husband.And I condsider CN to be kind of a study group. EMCEE: God is living in my heart and brain, not a church, right? He is real, yes, but also a spirit, not like he took up residence in some church building and I need to go visit Him every week or so! God bless you all.
---sue on 7/11/07


Of course. It's not the church that saves it is Jesus, the Living Word. He may save in or out of "church", and there are plenty examples of each. The early church gathered in a variety of places/homes, without the structure we see today, just as led by the Holy Spirit.
---christina on 7/10/07


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Sue, I would encourage you to seek fellowship with other believers, wheteher it be a church, informal bible study, a single prayer partner. as believers we are to encourage and build one another up in the faith. We miss out on a lot when not in fellowship, and just as important if not more, we are not as readily able to bless our brothers and sisters with the gifts God gives us, and help them in their walk with the Lord. Bless you.
---christina on 7/10/07


Sue, it's hard to grow in the Lord when you try to go it alone or on your own. It would be like a kid staying home from school and trying to learn the English language from the TV/radio. It can be done, but the interpretation will be lacking. If you learned to speak English from watching commercials or cartoons, your communication skills would not be up to par.
---MMR on 7/10/07


There is another side to this issue of fellowship. Let us suppose that every single church across the land has become apostate and the synagogue of Satan. If this was the case, then the Christian would be sinning by going to church and participating in the worship of Satan, and by the same token the Christian would be righteous in not going to the church and participating in sin. Please Read- Psalm 1:1.
---Eloy on 7/11/07


True faithful churches are a very rare breed today, most of them use unholy Bibles and teach false doctrines- not all of them, but most of them do today. And this is one of the big major prophetic signs of the end times before the Lord returns. It is called the great falling away from the truth, or what is called the Apostasy, falling from the standard.
---Eloy on 7/11/07


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How can you love your husband if you say you love him & don't live with him & in His house-yet not visit him.The same applies to God who is also real,He loves, do you respond-by your absence.---REFLECTION.words not deeds!
---Emcee on 7/10/07


Sue:Beloved. Just find a good church home and learn to love others by meeting them at church. Go up and greet others. Don't wait for them to come to you. This is showing love. I don't agree with everything that goes on at my church but I still attend. I dont agree with everything the pastor says. But I still go. We dont have to agree on everything. It is good and right to go to the house of the Lord. In obedience to God.
---Robyn on 7/10/07


Sue: I had the same problem for several yrs. I feel so much better now with a covering(pastor). I was just a wanderer. I never knew the time churches start and let out because I was just a visitor. I had no roots. I always felt like an outsider. Christianity is a reaching out to others. A fellowship of love. We need one another to grow and mature in Christ. We do not have to be at church everytime the doors open, but we should want to be with our brethren,sometimes. I wish you the best.
---Robyn on 7/10/07


Robyn, I ask God to take my life, my WHOLE life, and please put Me how He wants me to be. This prayer I say everyday. Am I bound up and blinded by satan? Am I doing things my way? How? My life is getting better and better each and every day since I have been paying more attention to my spirituality and trying to learn more about our God and all His glorious and sometimes mind blowing ways.
---sue on 7/10/07


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Thank you for your replies. So what should I do? I ask in all seriousness and respect because I really want to do the right thing, (that is something I DO have a desire to do: the right thing) but should I just go, even though I dont really want to? God Bless.
---sue on 7/10/07


According in Jeremiah, Christians must go to church. If a person is able to go and one is available they need to go. God doesn't save someone and not put a desire in them to go. The main reasons as to why some people don't go to church, is if they are unable to go, (understandable) there isn't one available or they are just plain lazy. Many times if one is available, if able they still won't go. Sue; yes something must be wrong with your walk, if you do not desire to be in the Potter's house (church).
---Rebecca_D on 7/10/07


There will be a time very shortly where Christians will not be able to practice their belief in public. A time where these so-called "churches" of today will be closely monitored and controlled by the government - yes, even here in America. Christians will experience what they are going through in China and in all the history of Christiandom as they will be harshly punished and persecuted and hunted and hated. Now is the time to start praying for your and your family's safety.
---Steveng on 7/9/07


yes you can still be saved and not attend church but it will be eaiser to got through trials and tribulation with a body of believers to support you
---becky8634 on 7/9/07


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It is wonderful that you are able to nurture your relationship with the Lord without having any accountablilty. However if you are that dedicated your service to the church would be deeply appreciated. Remember God gives us gifts of service. There are younger generation in the Church that need role models like you. We do not only go to church to be served but serve others with our gifts and talents.
---Marcia on 7/9/07


Sue: You better get straight now while you have time. You are displaying an unteachable and a very evil spirit. I would guess everything in your life is out of control, due to this very arrogant and unbelieving spirit. Satan has you bound and blind.
I don't doubt you are doing everything you described in your post. But guess what? You are still way out of order and doing things your Way! This does not please God. Your life needs to line up with the Word of God.
---Robyn on 7/9/07


If you are ill and unable to attend church then God know this and will pardon this. Attending church applies to able-bodied people, who for whatever reasons, are just plain stubborn and lost and want to do things their way. They are blinded by satan and does not know it. There are no good reasons to not have a church home. They are all lies and excuses from Hell. Been there and done that. It does not work....period. Repent and be healed in the name of Jesus.
---Robyn on 7/9/07


Well then there is something wrong with me because I love God, I pray in His son's Jesus' name for thanksgiving and for wisdom and forgiveness everyday and night (whenever). I try to live my life as if Jesus was beside me at all times, I'm a forgiving and loving person. But I have no 'desire' to go to a church! I will sometimes listen to paster's on the radio, or tv..Is my salvation in danger?
---sue on 7/9/07


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You can never be Heaven bound with no Church because those who are in Christ carry the Church with them. Also if a person is trully filled with the Holy Spirit they would have a desire to be around other believers in order to be discpiled and mature. God never leaves us where he found us, the church is what God uses to edify and mature us.
---Marcia on 7/9/07


Hi Rebecca_D
P-1
I was thinking about how most of the people of the World do in fact live in great poverty and how in some places in Africa there might not be access to get to a Church, so one in a situation like that would not need to be inside a building to receive Salvation.
---Brenda2 on 7/8/07


Hi Rebecca_D
P-2 on Salvation

There are also people who are not well and cant go to Church for various reasons but a Priest will always come to the home to bring the Holy Eucharist and there are many good Protestant ministers that will make house calls as well.
---Brenda2 on 7/8/07


Hi Rebecca_D
Salvation

We should all remember those people around the World in places like North Korea where it would be illegal to be Christian and most are indoctrinated from birth to believe their President is God and magical.

God sees that, and he is not going to send all of them to Hell just because they were never allowed to know of him.
---Brenda2 on 7/8/07


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If a person finds Christ on their death bed: Yes. If the person finds Christ during the course of their life: No. If the person refuses to go to church they are not saved because in order to be saved you must surrendor your whole heart to God and serve him as Lord. This person would be rebelling against God in refusing to be active in the body that God has ordained as a church.
---Marcia on 7/8/07


but after a person has been borned again, God gives them a desire to attend church. If they don't have a desire to be in the house of the Lord and among the living, I'd wonder about their salvation.
---Rebecca_D on 7/7/07


The short answer is yes, a person can receive Salvation, and go to Heaven with out attending a Church.

It depends on the knowledge one has, and also the ability to get to Church along with other things.
---Brenda2 on 7/7/07


People go to church because their Hearts are with God.Those who dont dont really care"when people are gathered together in my name I am there with Them"To be with the lord is a privelege.
---Emcee on 7/7/07


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People go to church because their Hearts are with God.Those who dont dont really care"when people are gathered together in my name I am there with Them"To be with the lord is a privelege.
---Emcee on 7/7/07


Today's definition of church is a building chock full of sermons, activities, entertainment, and all those other groovy things to fill up every minute of our lives.

God's definition of church is quite a bit different. Church is simply the body of Christ (body as of group) for where two or more are gathered in His name there He is also. It doesn't matter where: the park, at Starbucks, in the home. You are attending church just by being with each other, encouraging one another. That's it.
---Steveng on 7/7/07


Hi Jack; maybe I didn't quite understand you so can you clarify please? The thief on the cross was granted mercy by Jesus; are you saying there are no deathbed conversions other than that? I was just a little confused there; thanks. :)
---Mary on 7/7/07


Had Noah's wife, sons and their wives forsaken the assembly they would have perished with the ungodly. Had the household of Abraham did likewise they would not have been circumcised. (circumcision of the heart)
Had the childrn of Israel not assembled at the mount they would not have heard the voice of God. Three winesses to attending. It's not wise to go against the commandments of God.
Frank3443
---Frank on 7/7/07


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Everything rests on God. Well, I know why God called preachers won't preach on people going to Hell,why they will not preach on Satan. I know what the problem is. God called preachers are afraid. Afraid of being accused by the devil of a judging. God will correct His own people. No need to be afraid. And Amen!++>>>>>>We will judge angels and the wicked on judgment day. God's People.
---catherine on 7/7/07


We are saved by Jesus only. He came to this world to set an example for us. Did Jesus go to church?. He was found in the house of prayer. Jesus was teaching, cleaning the House of God. He use to actively go to church on Saturday and participate on the service. Luke 4:16. If we called ourselves Christians we are to follow Jesus steps.
---Vignia on 7/7/07


I would say yes a person can be saved and go to heaven despite not attending church. But what seems to be the problem with church? It is right and necessary to do this.Read Hebrews 10:25. We grow through hearing the teaching and preaching from the pastor. We can pray, worship and praise with our sister and brothers. There are too many benefits to not want to attend church. You need to do some soul searching and find out why you don't want to attend church. Something is wrong.
---Robyn on 7/7/07


More: There is a tear in your spirit somewhere. You have been hurt and wounded and now does not want to assemble with the brethren. This is not normal. When we get saved we must love the brethren or we cannot truly say we are saved. We cannot just say we love Jesus and hate his creation. This is the second greatest commandment. Love others as ourselves. We must love God first.
---Robyn on 7/7/07


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I tried to do this before. Take it from me...beloved. It won't work. I felt like a lost sheep in the wilderness, all alone. My spirit was not right and everytime someone asked me what church I belonged to I became angry and upset. Attitude problem again. I knew I was not in right fellowship with God so I became angry and defensive. Don't let this happen to you. Join a church today! You will be blessed and happy.It is not a question of whether we can go to heaven despite attending church.
---Robyn on 7/7/07


Yes and no. Yes, if you are fellowshipping with other Christians regularly and feeding upon the Word of God. No, if you find yourself in disobedience to God, and starving yourself to death spiritually. We are not to neglect the assembling of ourselves together. A lone spark away from the fire soon burns out.
---Barbara on 7/7/07


REALLY:If so why did he build His Church, just for something to do?Mat16 :17-19.Dont fool yourselves "He who is not with me is against me"Saved is an illusion of the mind,under these circumstances.Nail yourself to His cross & follow.he taught in the synagogue & is known as the HIGH Priest.That is why he buily"MY CHURCH"
---Emcee on 7/7/07


Going to Church is not what saves, that part is true. But Jesus established a Church so that we could be properly taught concerning the scriptures which are easily twisted by the unlearned (those who read it on their own without any guidance). The Church also has the means to convey the sacraments - only an ordained minister can give the Holy Spirit because that is what Jesus decided and the Bible teaches Acts 8:17-19; 19:2-6; 1 Timothy 4:14.
---lorra8574 on 7/7/07


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Salvation does not depend on rather one attends church or not. For we are saved by grace through faith. Attending church is good, but because a person do or do not go to church is not what makes him/her a christian. Jesus saved us, church didn't. A person can go to chrch 24/7, but if their heart is not right it is in vain.
---Barbara on 7/7/07


Going to church does not get you saved or qualify you for Heaven, just like standing in a garage does not make you a car.
---Leslie on 12/31/06


yes, but you should have a desire to spread the gospel and it works better if there are at least 2 gathered in his name.jesus sent them out by 2s.attending church these days is a matter of loving and not taking offense with the comments and actions of fellow believers.so many so called christians today are of the world in their thinking.
---tom2 on 8/14/06


BTW--the "Thief on the Cross" precedent applies only to those who are crucified--literally--with Jesus.

Unless you have been actually nailed to a cross, you can't claim this escape.
---Jack on 8/13/06


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**The thief on the cross did not have time to attend a physical church.**

The Church hadn't been founded yet.

It wasn't founded until Pentecost.

Try again.
---Jack on 8/13/06


You must be a church member to go to heaven. Now the church that you must be a member of does not gather in a certain building nor go by a denominational name. No, the church that you must be a member of is God's church the church of believers, the called out ones. Almighty God himself keeps the membership book.
---mima on 8/13/06


Hebrews 10:25 says, "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more as you see the day approaching." You can be saved outside of a church building, but fellowship, study and accountability are necessary for a successful walk with Christ. He did it. So can we.
---melissa on 8/13/06


..as the body is one,..and all the members of that one body, being many are one body; SO ALSO is CHRIST.(caps mine)
I Cor 12:12

But now hath GOD set the members, EVERY ONE of them IN THE BODY, as it hath pleased HIM (caps mine) ICor 12:18

...if the ear shall say because I am not the eye, I am not of the body, is it therefore not of the body? ICor.12:16

And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee, nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of thee. ICor12:21
---Donna2277 on 8/13/06


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Yes!!! You'll go to heaven because it is not a sin unto death. But in Hebrews 10:25 Paul,the alleged author of Hebrews says; "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is;",,," rober3436
---rober3436 on 8/13/06


Yes Judit.
Neither your salvation nor your entry into the kingdom of heaven has anything to do with your "church" attendance. Open your mind to the kingdom of God within you and follow the guidance of His Spirit. If you have a desire to attend a church building than by all means do. If not let no man condemn you, conviction must come from within, otherwise you are simply conforming to abstract rules of conduct and your heart will not be in it.
---josef on 8/13/06


Technically, yes. The thief on the cross did not have time to attend a physical church. There are many deathbed/battlefield conversions/salvations. I'm sure 9/ll had many. But as Jack said, relationship with the Body is grand. Instruction, encouragement, charity, hope, and love shown to the widows and orphans. Corporate prayer with the saints. Praise and worship - anointing of God breaks the yokes of envy, strife, jealousy. We learn to love our brother above ourselves and walk out this Christian life.
---Raine on 8/12/06


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