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Grandmother Afraid Of Baptism

My 83 year old grandmother is terrified of water and has not been baptized. She has prayed about it and feels that God understands and that it is OK if she is never baptized. I feel that Jesus would take away her fear while she was being baptized. What do you think?

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Does you grandmother ever take a bath does she wash her hair. You can baptize some one in the bathtub. I don't think that you are for real. I think you are one of those people who makes up stories like the Jews did, like that one story about the seven brothers marring the same woman. There are ways to do things other than traditional church rituals. Any christian under the blood of Jesus can baptize in the name of Jesus, you do not have to have a license or be a preacher just a follower of Jesus and be right with God. Christians are commanded to baptize and make disciples. The Shepard does not make sheep the sheep do.
---exzucuh on 12/22/09


Prove the thief on the cross was not baptized.
Prove it! Give the scriptures that say it. If you cannot then you are adding to the scriptures and you will be accursed. To say that something is true and have no Bible reference is a Lie. To be approved of God you have to give scripture you have to prove it, or you have no basis for your teaching. An you will be held accountable for teaching a lie.I cannot prove the thief was baptized but John had been baptizing multitudes before Jesus had appeared preparing people to receive him. Jesus 's disciples had been baptizing in that area for three years. The thief knew who Jesus was and that means he was already a christian. You cannot come to Jesus unless the Father first draws you.
---exzucuh on 12/22/09


If she is still here, the solution to her fear or any mobility issue is to "lay hands on her" and she will be healed through the Holy Spirit. Of course, this would entail faith on the part of both you and/or her.

katavasia is right: the thief was not baptized. Of course, Jesus had not been Glorified through His resurrection -- yet. The baptism into Jesus' death was irrelevant, at that point -- He was not yet dead. Now, that He is risen then, the commands He left are what He requires.

1Pe 3:20-21 ...days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water... The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...
---BruceB on 2/12/09


Pouring is not baptism. It's written 'and Jesus came forth up out of the water' meaning immersion or cleansing. It's a corrupt catholic belief that has created sprinkling or pouring. To answer the question about the thief, Jesus said: 'Today thou shalt be with me in paradise.' That is NOT heaven. Anyone that says it is has not read the bible because no one will enter until after the resurrection and judgment. Since the resurrection hasn't happened yet, no one has been judged if they are worthy to enter. It was Jesus saying: Not everyone thats says Lord Lord will enter. Why-through hypocrisy. Jesus said you are with me or against me, no middle ground. No one will enter that attends church sunday and sins the rest of the week.
---ashley on 8/8/08


The baptism of the Holy Spirit is not what John did (the spirit had not yet been given, John 7:39).

John baptized with H2O, but we should be baptized with the living water of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5 and 11:16, John chap. 4, John 7:38, Revelation 7:16). This is the water that flowed from Christ's side at the cross and will be POURED out in the last days (Acts 2:17).

The living water is our guarantee (1 Corinthians 1:22, 5:5, Ephesians 1:14). We shall not live by the bread of life alone, but by His spirit also (Matthew 4:4, Luke 4:4) and learn the "depths of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10).

All verses are from the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 8/8/08




Look a here the woman is 83 years old, God could take her on out of here within the next hour. Give me a break! Come on, God gives each one of us some measure of intelligence at birth.
---catherine on 8/8/08


I will try again with this post.


She can be baptized by pouring water over her head (forehead) 3 times.
Each with the 3 Names of the Blessed Trinity.
---Nicole on 8/8/08


Here is my ideas on this. Don't nag her.
---catherine on 8/8/08


In the Old Testament, sins were forgiven by the shedding of blood of animals as instructions was given by G-d. Yeshua (Jesus) fulfilled that law of sacrifice when shed his blood on the cross for us - once and for all. His death negated the need for further blood shed. The life is in the blood and it is the blood that saves us from our sins - Salvation has nothing to do with baptism - baptism is an outward showing that we have received Jesus as our L-rd and Savior. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life . . . ", he did not say that "baptism is the way, the truth and the life . . ." If your grandmother has accepted Jesus as L-rd and Savior, that is what she needs for salvation - not baptism.
---gophylann on 8/7/08


I agree with you, Melissa. If she REALLY trusts Jesus, Jesus will take away her fear. Too many people think that God understands their desire to NOT do what He commands.

" The theif on the cross was not baptised."

The thief on the cross died before Jesus gave the commandment to be baptized, too.
---katavasia on 8/7/08




The bible states and this is Jesus Christ speaking, no one else. "Except ye be born of the water (baptism) and of the Spirit, (the gift of the Holy Ghost), ye shall NOT enter into the kingdom of God. Where do you see that it is a useless ordinance and isn't needed to enter God's kingdom. Jesus Christ was perfect, he was the Son of God and even he went to the river Jordan to receive the ordinance from John the Baptist. People can say what they want, but that proves they don't believe in the bible, not that they do. If they refuse to accept the words of Jesus himself, what are you basing your faith on. Probably the lies of man.
---ashley on 8/7/08


The theif on the cross was not baptised.
Jesus said "Come unto me ... & I will refresh you" ... no qualification there.
Read John 3.16 ... no qualification there, either.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/7/08

Yes, this is true.

But, Jesus also wasn't dead yet, and He hadn't rose of the dead 3 days later at this point.
---Nicole on 8/7/08


Baptism is something that every Christian should do if they can. Baptism is not a requirement for salvation however. Does your grandmother take a shower or a bath? If so, is she afraid of that...or is it just putting her head under the water.

If so, even though immersion is the correct biblical method, it certainly is okay to baptize her by having her stand in the baptismal tub and just sprinkling her with water. Jesus knows her heart and what is important for salvation is her heart, is it right with God.
---Stan on 8/7/08


The theif on the cross was not baptised.
Jesus said "Come unto me ... & I will refresh you" ... no qualification there.
Read John 3.16 ... no qualification there, either.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/7/08


Some people have that as a phobia that one cannot help or control without therapy. Phobias can cause severe panic attacks in people. Having a panic attack as a result of a phobia does not mean they have not accepted Christ. There is a big differece between basic fear and phobia. Also what do you do for the new believer who may be hooked to a ventilator because they are a quadroplegic and therefore cannot be submerged. I would think pouring water over the head would be acceptable.
---Janine on 8/25/06


Christina::I replied.However,Is Jesus'sdeath sufficient to save? died in Vain?.Ans Yes & NO.#1.you stress the word SAVED,showing an element of presumption.True, He died to Open the gates of HEAVEH which had been CLOSED.#2 why did he give us Choice & the invitation"Pick up your cross & follow me"#3 see the world today -Denominations ,differences of Opinions is this One Flock??Do we ever stray from his Path Yes.Do we nourish our souls with his invitation or do we just stand by & refuse HIM.
---Emcee on 8/18/06


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Emcee, still waiting for a response to what I posted: "Emcee, you also stated " by choice you sin again,hence Baptism does not save as you think." How is it that I sin again? By leaving the RCC?
I still don't believe you answered my question, Is Christs' death sufficient to save? and if not, did He die in vain?"
---Christina
---Christina on 8/18/06


Emcee, you also stated " by choice you sin again,hence Baptism does not save as you think." How is it that I sin again? By leaving the RCC?
I still don't believe you answered my question, Is Christs' death sufficient to save? and if not, did He die in vain?
---Christina on 8/16/06


Emcee, you said "Jesus in obedience to His Father came into this world as a man & to show us the way to heaven & by so doing OPENED the gates of heaven". Jesus IS the way. We are not saved by following Jesus example, but by accepting Him, His death on the cross, where He took our sin upon Him and died/put sin to death, and was raised again. Yes, He opened the way into the Holy of Holies, by taking our sin.
---Christina on 8/16/06


Leave the woman alone. She is saved and her name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Someday her fear may leave her, if it does not, she is still saved. She does not need baptism to get saved. Baptism is a works that some people think you need to be saved. Hogwash.

I would prefer that all believers are baptized, but I would also prefer that all believers not divorce, or have premarital sex.

Leave the poor woman alone.
---Madison1101 on 8/16/06


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I think you should just leave the poor old woman alone. If she prayed about it and feels that Jesus will forgive, then let her be.
---sue on 8/16/06


Emcee - Only the Blood of Jesus washes away sin. And there is no such thing as original sin and venial sin and all that. Sin is sin to God. Sin is rebellion against God and going one's own way.
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06


Alana::Baptism absolves (washes away)the stain of original sin & initiates one into the family of Christ,the gift in return is the Holy spirit by which we receive F/H/Charity.If you die immediately you go straight to heaven(like the good thief who was accepted by Jesus, known as baptism of Desire.)Baptism dosen't save, but is necessary for salvation.Absolving Original/Sin.Nothing Defiled shall enter Heaven.no matter how good you are, that O/Sin remains till washed.
---Emcee on 8/16/06


Harvy::You are a trifle confused,I think the baptism referred to by John was By the tongues of Fire which was the Holy spirit,sent by God. Today, this we recieve in the CC at Confirmation,at about age 12or 13
---Emcee on 8/16/06


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Christina::Sorry to hear that you also was once a catholic & left the fold.However to answer your question.Can you exist without water?No- Jesus in obedience to His Father came into this world as a man & to show us the way to heaven & by so doing OPENED the gates of Heaven, which before that were closed to humanity on account of their sinfulness.We are talking about 2 different things.Baptism does absolve sin .But by choice you sin again,hence Baptism does not save as you think.
---Emcee on 8/16/06


Jack,you ask, "Why is it whenever anyone talks about the necessity of obeying the clear and unambiguous words of Jesus, he gets called "harsh" and "judgemental". It is not the subject of obedience to our Lord that I was referring to, but rather statements about this woman/people. (See what EMG wrote).
---Christina on 8/16/06


Emcee, I appreciate your response, and I understand what you are saying since I was raised Catholic. I do not believe that baptism of babies is what saves them however. I know the truth myself, and the truth Is Jesus Christ. I wish to ask again, is Christs death sufficient or not? If not, did he die in vain?
---Christina on 8/16/06


** Today you will be with me in Paradise!!! No Baptism there.**

But there WAS crucifixion. You can claim exception to baptism ONLY if you get crucified.

**Baptism doesn't save anyone.**

That's not what the Bible says. 1 Peter 3:21

In any case, as I have said before, this took place BEFORE Jesus gave the commandment to be baptized.
---Jack on 8/15/06


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John said that the Baptism Jesus would give would be with Fire. That would be that which burns up the chaff and blows it to the wind, (self). That baptism, no one ever talks about. I guess it's too uncomfortable. The easy dunk is much easier for religious people today.
---Harvy on 8/15/06


Some people are so afraid of water that even washing their own hair is a tremendous ordeal. No one can absolutely put themselves in someone else's shoes but sometimes I think that we should try a little harder to understand their feelings and fears.
---emg on 8/15/06


The bible says to be immersed, dunked in, so to speak. there is only one baptism and it is by immersion, by the Father, the Son and of the Holy Ghost. If there was another way, the bible would have said so.
---Rebecca_D on 8/15/06


Today you will be with me in Paradise!!! No Baptism there. Baptism doesn't save anyone. We do it out of obedience to celebrate our New Life. Anyone can Baptize.Some denominations believe you are being baptized into their church, and that the church is what saves you. Next time you help Gran with her bath, baptize her. Elderly people are afraid of water. And some have a hard time getting them to bath.
---Alana on 8/15/06


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Yes there are other forms of baptism available to those who do not want, or who fear, total immersion but some on here are suggesting that it has to be total immersion for it 'to count' with God. It is the fear of water that several speak of so it is total immersion that they fear. Comments such as 'Pity she fears water more than she loves Jesus' and 'Do you think the excuse, "But I was afraid of water!" will carry any weight on Judgement Day?' are unhelpful and very judgemental.
---emg on 8/15/06


Melissa ::Only God could answer your post.But you can baptise your Grandma using a wad of cotton, dipped in water dripping on her Forehead Saying the words at the same time,I baptise you in the name of the Father & the Son & the Holy Spirit. & you will have fulfilled the ordinance on her behalf as she has expressed Desire.Blessings on you both.Turn her head to a side to catch the drippings in a bowl, then Dry.
---Emcee on 8/15/06


**Jack, your responses seem somewhat harsh/judgmental.**

Why is it whenever anyone talks about the necessity of obeying the clear and unambiguous words of Jesus, he gets called "harsh" and "judgemental."
---Jack on 8/15/06


Helen::If you believe that Baptism does not remove sin.Why did Our Lord command His diciples to do so.Forgiving their sins. You are spreading Falseness.Remember what I said to another even applies to you.Silence is sometimes golden.may the spirit of God bring Light to your disbelief.
---Emcee on 8/15/06


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Christina::Maybe you do not know But I know what is truth,& this I speak. Catholic Baptism removes The stain Of Original Sin & confers on the recepient the grace of Faith Hope & Charity,gifts of The Holy Spirit.That is why Babies are baptised in the Catholic Church,at the behest of the Parents.
---Emcee on 8/15/06


MP:: Yes I am Catholic,since 4 score plus.However to answer your question Babies are Baptised by pouring Water on their Foreheads saying the words I baptise you In the name of The Father ,The Son, & the Holy Spirit.Adult Baptisms,for converts, if fonts are available for immersion they are used otherwise the other method is still available.There are symbolic rituals in conjunction with Baptism.
---Emcee on 8/15/06


Susie - I just love that idea... wow!!! That is a super neat idea, and you are right --- anybody can baptise!! Praise God.
---Helen_5378 on 8/15/06


Emcee, Helen is correct in that it is by Christ's shed blood alone that our sins are washed away. Is Christ's death sufficient or not?
Jack, your responses seem somewhat harsh/judgmental. How can you know this woman's heart is not to obey Christ? It is Christ who works in us both to WILL and to DO according to His good pleasure. He brings us into the place of obedience. We are works in progress. Perfect love (GOD) casts out fear. Christ needs to be the focus, not works...the works follow
---Christina on 8/15/06


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Next time your grandmother wants to take a bath, ask her if you can baptize her in the tub. I am serious about this. You don't have to be anybody special to baptize.
---Susie on 8/15/06


My 2 older daughters and I got baptized on the same evening, and it was a wonderful experience. The girls kept asking if they could do it again! But we are not afraid of water. I appreciate those of you who have that fear and were brave enough to share it. My grandmother says she has prayed about this and feels at peace about it. That is between her and God. I sincerely hope that her inability to complete this ordinance will not keep her from Heaven.
---melissa on 8/14/06


**Does the R.C.C. practice total immersion baptism? Were you baptised as a baby or an adult and was it by sprinking or by total immersion?**

Some RCCs are doing total immersion, especially for adults.

The Orthodox and Eastern Churches generally practice triple immersion, even of children. These churches also realize that there are some circumstances where total immersion is not possible, so you come as close to it as you can.
---Jack on 8/14/06


There are other means of Christian baptism besides immersion. Pouring and sprinkling are options is she is terrified of water. All methods of baptism have the same validity.
---notlaw99 on 8/14/06


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Emcee, I believe that you are a Roman Catholic. Does the R.C.C. practice total immersion baptism? Were you baptised as a baby or an adult and was it by sprinking or by total immersion?
---M.P. on 8/14/06


"Father, if it be your will, let this cup pass from me."

Jesus was afraid of crucifixion, but he went through it anyway.

And people are afraid to face a little water for Him?

Yet they claim to be saved, love Jesus, and are determined to obey Him?
---Jack on 8/13/06


Emcee - Water baptism does not remove sin. Only the shed Blood of Jesus Christ on the Cross at Calvary takes away sin.
---Helen_5378 on 8/13/06


My daughter, 9 was saved at age 7 and has not been baptised for fear of being dunked under water and for everybody staring at her. I just tell her that God wants her to be baptised and that she does need to be someday. I pray that she will be bold some day and follow Jesus' example.
---Becca on 8/13/06


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One thing your grandmother must remember is that God didn't put the spirit of fear in us, Satan did. Her fear of the water is one of Satan's way of hindering her from doing what Christ wants us to do. Has she prayed that God would take this fear from her? If so she needs to let go of it.
---Rebecca_D on 8/13/06


Melissa's Grandma.::If ever you read this remember you wash your Hair talk a bath It is no different.Please take the step of being baptised because by it's non compliance you still have the sin Of original Sin plus any you may have accumulated in this life time. The slate will be Wiped clean & you will feel as light as a feather. Trust in God by showing that you Can & will do this. God be with you.I am your
---Emcee on 8/13/06


** I am 20 years younger than your grandmother and feel exactly the same. I have been a Christian since I was 19. **

Do you think the excuse, "But I was afraid of water!" will carry any weight on Judgement Day?
---Jack on 8/13/06


** Jack, if you were 83 you may feel the same way. I am deathly afraid of things I did when I was young.**

Pity she fears water more than she loves Jesus and intends to obey Him.

Even worse how people look for excuses and exceptions to His clear commandments. Just like the Pharisees did.
---Jack on 8/13/06


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I am 20 years younger than your grandmother and feel exactly the same. I have been a Christian since I was 19. Very few people understand how I feel and think that I should just 'go for it and God will take care of me'. That is so easy to say when it is my fear and not theirs. Mima, I just love your post on this subject. I have never looked at it that way before.
---M.P. on 8/13/06


Jack, if you were 83 you may feel the same way. I am deathly afraid of things I did when I was young. I look back and I was on a collision course with suicide. I praise God he knows when you are young, most of the time you are dumb.
---shira on 8/13/06


Can you conceive, believe, or imagine that Jesus Christ baptism was on your grandmother's behalf and all who will believe on him?? Think about it. Jesus got baptized for someone and he could not have been baptized for himself, since he had no sin!!!
---mima on 8/13/06


Hi Melissa. I am in the same situation as your grandmother. I am afraid of going under water. As a teenager I fell under water and would have drowned had not somebody been there to rescue me. I do also think that Jesus would take away the fear if the step of faith is taken to get into the water. However, it is easier said than done. She is not alone.
---Helen_5378 on 8/13/06


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The Thief on the Cross happend BEFORE Christ gave the commandment to be baptized. I don't know where she got the idea that Jesus would make an exception for her.

The Word of God says that perfect love casts out fear. If she really loves Jesus, she will overcome her fear to be baptized.
---Jack on 8/13/06


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