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Are Christians Not Intelligent

Do you have to commit intellectual suicide to become a Christian?

Moderator - Actually, it's just the opposite. The healthen have to ignore the phyiscal world around them.

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There are many brilliant Christians. You don't have to be a genius to follow Christ, but you do not need to be stupid to appreciate Him either.

People forget that Christianity dominated the Western World for centuries, but science did not go away. The fathers of many great scientific fields were born into this era - Gallileo, Coppernicus, Mendel (genetics), etc.
---lorra8574 on 5/12/07


God told Isaiah, "let us reason together". Some churchians forget "together" and reason apart from His revealed word. Hence compromise with evolution/long ages, invented by Bible-rejectors like Hutton, Lyell, Darwin.

The ministerial use of reason is encouraged, where reason serves Scripture ("love God with all your mind", "be transformed by the renewal of your mind"); magisterial use sits in judgement upon God's revealed Word.
---Ktisophilos on 5/11/07


No...you do not. Just the opposite, in fact. You become wiser, more humble,loving but in the things God. The only things that matter. The things(idols) of this world are really nothing in themselves and especially when it comes to the things of God, there is no comparison. Only what we do for Christ is going to last.
I can hold 3 PHD's, be richer than Bill Gates ,but if I have not made a decision to follow Christ. I will lift up my eyes in Hell one day. Now--that is a terrible thought.
---Robyn on 5/11/07


I am 60 was born again at 18 qualified as a nurse at 21 raised 3 children in a stable marriage and took an intelligence test when i was over 50 and brain cells are supposded to be dying my score put me in the top 5%of the population of UK so iI didn't commit intellectual suicide,but trust I have used my intelligence/intellectual ability to serve God as He desires.has science beenproved?much is unproven theory.I am glad that rthwe most intelligent to the least are welcome in God's family
---doree4573 on 5/11/07


Some are and some are not. If you are a true Christian and you feel that you need help in this area, get on your hands and knees and ask God to grant you. You can believe the devil is smart. And you I need to be smarter than Satan.
---catherine on 5/11/07




committ intellectual suicide?? if you mean give up the world,give up science and have faith in God ,his son, have faith and trust in Gods word and will for his children, then I have and will committ intellectual suicide every minute of my life until I,am called home.
---tom2 on 5/11/07


Even science entails faith. Science is based on induction which is a step of faith (one experiments and induces that the same results will always incur). However, consider Davis Hume's argument against induction...If I drop a ball of the roof many times, and it falls down, I can still not say that it will always have to fall down...because in order for me to say this beyond all doubt I would have drop the ball as many times as it is possible (maybe an infinite number of times), which is impossible.
---chad6498 on 11/16/06


Again, consider quantum physics, which tells us that electrons, protons, etc. seemingly come in and out of existence randomly. Thus, all material objects are composed of particles that sometimes exist and sometimes do not. Now, if material objects, which seem most real, are composed of things this unstable, how much faith does one need to believe they are more real than my thoughts. Faith is not intellectual suicide, unless everything we believe is intellectual suicide.
---chad6498 on 11/16/06


Faith is a lack of certain knowledge. But, what do we know for certain (without any doubt)? I suggest that with the requisite reasoning, much of what we feel certain about can be brought into doubt.We used to believe that time and space were immutable truths of existence, thanks to Einstein we now believe time and space are relative.
---chad6498 on 11/16/06


C.S.Lewis, once he became a Christian, led more intellectuals to Christ than anybody. You may want to read some of his intellectual books about God and religion.
---Virginia on 11/15/06




No! In fact, the truly intellectual person is the one who knows God through Jesus Christ. They have the advantage of the wisdom of God, which we cannot completely know for He is omniscient. They've the power of H.S. to implement it. And, the mind of Christ to walk it out in a fruitful manner in society. This whole intellectual being is effective for the Kingdom of God. Worldly intellectualism can't touch it!!!!
---Linda on 11/3/06


No you don't have to commit intellectual suicide but some seem to because they forget that God did give us brains to use. Thomas said that he wouldn't believe until he saw (intellectual guy that he was) Christ proved himself to him. Christianity has richness that is deeper than anything. It founded what many people use to unseat its possitions. Most great Universities were founded by the Church as well as the Scientific Method, I think you would be commiting intellectual suicide by not being a christian.
---Jared on 11/2/06


part 2. so my answer would be a question by the way man has been for thousands of years,and the continued suffering caused by his wars ,his neglect of his fellow man,his greed, and sooooooo many other sinful acts, WHAT IN THE WORLD MAKES YOU EVEN THINK MAN IS INTELLIGENT???? we seem atleast to me to never learn from our mistakes over and over from one generation to the next the same mistakes. thats not a mark of intelligence, seem more like stupidity to me.
---tom2 on 8/21/06


intelligence, what is it.??? is it knowledge of facts and figures??is it the quanity or quality of learned facts and figfures???Is it the capacity to retain these facts????does your standing with God depend on how intelligent you are???or is Gods reality his intelligence based on something different than mere physical knowledge.by the way of which we know very very little.?????we humans surely don,t react intelligently to one another,or to most situations in our lives.
---tom2 on 8/21/06


part 2, and as I said earlier God just loves to confound the intellectual people of the world.Its a matter of the heart not the head.FAITH is belief in things not seen,doesn,t say one word about being understood.
---tom2 on 8/20/06


If my mind tells me this is beyond understanding then my intellect must say I haven,t found the answer yet???Men of intelliect who won,t submit to God are called athiests.God just loves to prove intelligent people wrong.he makes a habit of using simple people to get his work done. Why? cause faith and belief don,t require a high IQ.
---tom2 on 8/20/06


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On the contrary, TheoStudent, intelligent people know their limitations and that they are without hope of salvation except for the shed blood of Christ. Then, as a believer, they are empowered by the Holy Spirit to grow in their understanding of God, and able to use their intellectual gifts to serve the lost.
---Madison1101 on 8/16/06


"jack, in a good christian church, all would be welcome to hear the word of God." In my church they would be welcome to come hear the word of God. Thru the foolishness of preacher are people saved. Sinners are always welcome in our church to hear the word of God.
---shira on 8/16/06


Part 2:

He also broke long standing tradition by refusing to be ordained, even as a deacon, before he accepted a professor's post. (However, Charles L. Dodgson, aka Lewis Carroll, was a deacon in the C of E. He also liked to take pictures of little girls in their birthday suits.)

And Einstein was Jewish. If he refused to acknolwedge Jesus as Lord, God, and Savior, would he be accepted for membership into YOUR church?

This is what I'm trying to get across.
---Jack on 8/15/06


** Jack, In a Good Christian Church ALL would be welcome to hear the word of God.**

Let me clarify what I meant:

I'm not questioning the spiritual condition or eternal state of Newton et al--it's not my job to do so.

However, their personal beliefs were incompatible with Christianity, and they would not be accepted as members if people knew what they really thought. Newton, for example, was an Arian.
---Jack on 8/15/06


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** Jack, In a Good Christian Church ALL would be welcome to hear the word of God.**

Let me clarify what I meant:

I'm not questioning the spiritual condition or eternal state of Newton et al--it's not my job to do so.

However, their personal beliefs were incompatible with Christianity, and they would not be accepted as members if people knew what they really thought. Newton, for example, was an Arian.
---Jack on 8/15/06


Jack, In a Good Christian Church ALL would be welcome to hear the word of God. Especially those who don't know it or have fallen away.
---Dottie on 8/15/06


1Cr 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
---Donna9759 on 8/14/06


A Christian man I met in person from this site had a Doctrinate degree. He thought he was very smart, smarter than others is the way he described himself.
He said the Blood of Jesus only covers me when I'm good, not when I become angry at someone. He also said if our time spent in God's presence is real and not a self-generated emotional experience, then we would NEVER sin. My answer to your question is: YES, we do!
---Donna9759 on 8/14/06


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Theo-student; There is a long Christian tradition, colleges, universities, hospitals, all named after Christians in history. How many such institutions are named after secular people? Yes, 'some forms' of Christianity are anti-thinking, but they are a minority, so never broad brush.
---MikeM on 8/14/06


The Mod is right. Christianity opens the door for us to learn the real truths... this knowledge actually extends beyond the physical universe that secular men know of. The wise consider us foolish (1 Cor. 1:18) and the knowledge "smart" men base everything on is off target from what we really need to learn (1 Cor. 1:27). What they base their beliefs in is actually foolish (1 Cor. 3:19).
---tofurabby on 8/14/06


TheologyStudent, That's a great question. I don't think God would want us to cast any intelligence we may have aside, but He does say to "not lean on our own understanding." So, use your mind, but be ever aware of how limited we are. "We only see in part." We will never be as smart as God. We often aren't even as smart as the guy next door.
---daphn8897 on 8/14/06


**Newton, Kelvin, Einstien,**

None of these three would be welcome in a typical American evangelical church, if peole knew what they REALLY believed.
---Jack on 8/14/06


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A truly intelligent person knows that God is in charge, and their gifts were provided by Him. The truly unintelligent person thinks it is solely on their own merits. PRIDE is a blinding emotion, and one that God hates. Intellect is only valuable when used correctly. True intelligence does not have to be flaunted.
---Dottie on 8/14/06


Jerry ... you are so right.
Sadly though, there are those here who would put Einstein, Newton and Kelvin right square in the middle of ... no, leading ... the lying scientists.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/14/06


The most intelligent people I know are the ones who ask God for wisdom and guidance, read their bibles and study daily and pray daily. Some I know who are educated are really ignorant when it comes to things of God.
---shira on 8/14/06


The greatest intellects of all time were consistently men of God. Newton, Kelvin, Einstien, etc. all had abiding faith in God. Men like Marx, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, etc. did not. Which crowd would you most like to join?
---jerry6593 on 8/14/06


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Those who are so anti-science seem only too pleased to use it when it suits them.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/14/06


I wonder what Eloy would say on this subject.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/14/06


Considering some of the postings to other blogs, I well understand why Alan and Theology Student would make their satements.

This is the second time I've made this statement, and I shall keep making it until it gets posted.
---Jack on 8/13/06


once you accept jesus God doesn,t want you to stop thinking, he wants you to start thinking about him,his love,his truth,his ways, and stop thinking about the ways of the world. now if thats intellectual suicide not only us but jesus was guilty of the same thing. only his was perfect intellectual suicide, ours is hit and miss suicide.
---tom2 on 8/13/06


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well according to scripture a fool says there is no God.so you can be the smartest man or woman that ever lived but if you don,t believe in God HE SAYS YOU ARE A FOOL.God is no respector of men.you can,t impress an all knowing all seeing omnipitent God with your puny intellect. The only suicide you committ is when you reject jesus.NOW THATS INTELLECTUAL SUICIDE, cause thats about the dumbest thing you can do.
---tom2 on 8/13/06


debbie,jesus told pilate I have come into the world to witness to the truth. pilate question was what is truth?It,s a shame after nearly 2000 years it seems the world and from questions here many christians still don,t know what truth is.I thank God everyday for spiritual truth.his nature,his love,his ways. Because without them we would have inilated one another by now.Thank God for the truth of his son jesus.God bless you.
---tom2 on 8/13/06


debbie, thats the true way of the church. in the early church after christs ascenssion the holy spirit filled the people and the love they shared with each other daily gave them the heart of giving as was needed. Today especially here in america the church seems to have to pry money from so called christians.christians today think more of their needs than their brothers,or neighbors needs, or more important fellow christians needs.
---tom2 on 8/13/06


#2 Money is never mentioned in their church services and God has supplied the need for 100 years. This doesn't serve the mind of the intelligent world but it is pure genius to God. God's ways will confound the wise. God gave us intelligence, but we are to accept Him and His ways with the simplicity of a child.
---Debbie on 8/13/06


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#1 Tom2, I agree with yuo. I would like to let you know that there is a full gospel Bible college out there that has no tuition, no cost for workbooks and the only text is the King James Version of the Bible. They offer on site and correspondence courses and have been existence since the early 1900's. They also put out a monthly publication that is sent out all over the world with no subscription fee.
---Debbie on 8/13/06


lets see how intelligent we are. there is no weslyan gospel,or lutheran,or baptist,catholic,methodist,calvanist,mormom,or whatever. only the gospel of jesus christ. yet intelligent men down thru the centuries have doctrinalized the good news into the preceeding names.why, because people can,t get along.so they break off and start their own thing.sometimes I wonder what jesus thinks on his throne what people have done with HIS CHURCH.God confounds the intellectual folks.
---tom2 on 8/13/06


and by the way .It,s not so much I,am against the degree thing in theology. its the fact that they charge money for teaching scripture to students when the gospel is explicitly told to be given FREE by jesus.
---tom2 on 8/13/06


I,ll tell you one more thing that we could discuss. I don,t see one passage of scripture where jesus instructed anyone. go to seminary and get a degree then go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. paper degrees do not a teacher ,preacher make. the holy spirit is our teacher, not blah,blah,blah, bible college.
---tom2 on 8/13/06


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theology student, hers a sample of what God thinks of intellects.1 cor 13 verse2 and though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand ALL MYSTERIES AND ALL KNOWLEDGE AND though I have all faith so that I could remove mountains,but have not LOVE I,am am nothing.
---tom2 on 8/13/06


Tom, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN
---shira on 8/13/06


Actually the heathen gave us many things. Democracy is a pagan concept.

Start discussing evolution with a fundamentalist and you will get a clear answer to the question.
---MikeM on 8/13/06


A loss person has an intellect and the possibility of finding faith.
A saved person because of faith, has a faith that unfolds and increases the intellect.
A lost person's intellect denies the power of God.
A saved person's intellect acknowledges and agrees with the power of God.
---mima on 8/13/06


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I think what T.S. means is that many "Christians" appear to be living in a fantasy
---1st_cliff on 8/13/06


No, you do not have to commit intellectual suicide to be a CXhristian.
But you do have to realise that some Christians appear to think that we do not have the right to use our God-given brains.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/13/06


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