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History Of The Church

Can you explain the history of the Church?

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The Church even The Early Church, The One God Jesus name Church of The Living God was born on the day of Pentecost, delivered to the Jewish people first by Apostle Peter according Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20.

The Man - made trin relig org's churches beginning with the rcc & came from here 2nd.Cor.15 v 9, came about 300 yr's aft The One God Jesus name Church of the Living God was born on the day of Pentecost.

The One God Jesus Name Church made the devil mad, so he used a man to start the Man - made trin relig org's churches.
---Lawrence on 7/24/10

There are many good books you can read about this. "JAMES, THE BROTHER OF JESUS" is one and another good one is "THE SPIRIT OF THE CHURCH" by Neufeld and Sterling. Good luck and please don't stop seeking the truth.
---Dr.Rich on 4/7/08

The Bride has of yet, readied herself for The Groom!

19Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God,

20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone,

21In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/7/08

A short easy book to read on the history of the church is "The Trail of Blood" by J.M.Carroll
---Rev_Herb on 4/7/08

Carroll himself identifies many early churches as baptistic br>Cathari and the Albigenses taught that Christ was a angel
Paulicians taught that there is a Good God and a evil God.
Others rejected the government of the Catholic Church but not the dogma. Many believed in the Real presence, the ever-virgin Mary, regenerational baptism and more.
---ruben on 4/7/08

A short easy book to read on the history of the church is "The Trail of Blood" by J.M.Carroll
---Rev_Herb on 4/7/08

One of Carroll marks of the Church was that individual churches were completely independent of each others, but Paul says differently :For it has been reported to me by Chloes people that there is quarrelling among you, my brethren. What I mean is that each one of you says, I belong to Paul, or I belong to Apolos, (1 Cor. 1:11-13)
---Ruben on 4/7/08

Which ONE?
The Snake & Poison Handlers, The Closet Classics,The Holier than You, If it feels good do it Church?
Before we were called Christians in Antioch,WE were Called FOLLOWERS OF "THE WAY"!
Most of it was done under ground after Nero Blamed the Christian & Jews for Burning Rome.
It was Helen the Mother of Constitine who had the 1st RCC Built in 325 AD., It's still in Jerusalem today.
OH what a wicked web They've Woven,For this path that they have Chosen!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/7/08

Jesus started the church. The followers of Christ were Called Christians by there enemies. The false church, which became the RCC started shortly there after. True Christians were persecuted by this false church. The true Christians were call many names by there enemies. Many were called Ana Baptist and later the Ana was dropped, and just called Baptist. The true Baptist is not a denomination.

A short easy book to read on the history of the church is "The Trail of Blood" by J.M.Carroll
---Rev_Herb on 4/7/08

kingston, the book of acts in the new testament is the history of the early church within the lifetime of most of the eyewitnesses of christs life on can go online and get historical info about the bible and the men who were leaders in the church after peter and the apostles up to I believe 397ad when the roman emperor made christianity the official religion of the roman empire, ergo the roman catholic church.there is then a history of popes many who were very warlike leaders.
---tom2 on 4/4/07

Emcee, # 5 I know that the Body I am in is the Body of Christ. But I don't know what Body it is that you belong to. As I said before, I hoped you would be in the same Body as me, the Body of Christ, but it does not seem that you want to be, so I guess you aren't
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/22/06

Emcee, # 4 But you seem to insist on exclusivity in your membership of that Body, and deny we can be part of that Body
The upshot of that attitude is that since I know that I am part of that Body, interdemonional as it is, and you do not admit that I am in the same Body as you, then you must be in another Body.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/22/06

Emcee, # 3 You will know from previous blogs that I would like to believe that Roman Catholics are part of the whole Body of Christ. I do not want to think, as some here do, that RCs are not Christian. BUT you continually comment that the RCC is exclusively the only valid church, and I am inclining now to the view that you do not want to acknowledge that other Christians can belong to the same Body as you.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/22/06

Emcee, # 1 your reference to Lupe excelling himself sounds a little patronising, and does not do yuo credit.
As to you main point, you will see my last paragraph commented that invisiblity was perhaps not the right word for the whole body of all Christians, for Christians should be visible.
But it is right if he is referring to the bonds between us all, for such bonds are not physical and can't be seen.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/22/06

Helen ::You will never understand because you revel in your Freedom.But it shall all transpire with age comes wisdom.
---Emcee on 8/22/06

Alan of UK::While Lupe may Have excelled himself in your estimation.But to Me & Catholics the Church of OF Jesus Christ WAS visible & One by the declaration of ONE FLOCK& one shepherd.& the other teachings to which most other denominations are in Disagrement.The word invisible is appropriate because it is a shadow of Jesus's beliefs & he came to fulfil His Fathers words.
Helen you are FREE but wont be For Long,as you will find to your detriment.
---Emcee on 8/22/06

yes, the 1st church was called Bethel, house of God, by Iaakob around the 20th century B.C. (Genesis 28:16-22).
---Eloy on 8/22/06

Emcee - ("His holy mother is my witness"). Witness to what? She is dead.
---Helen_5378 on 8/21/06

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Emcee - ("you, Rev_Herb etc, are free to believe") --- Yes, Emcee we are free and it is just so wonderful that Jesus Christ has set us free. You are so stuck in your religion that you rattle off a whole lot of words that you have been taught and think that is what you believe. Have you ever stopped to think about what it all means what you have been taught?
---Helen_5378 on 8/21/06

Emcee ... Lupe gave a very good exposition.
You say you belong to THE visible church. If the RCC is a Christian Church, (& I think it probably is, although others dispute that) you belong to one of the visible denominations.
And you belong to what Lupe calls the invisible church, which is the body of all Christians.
But perhaps the word should not be invisible, because that could approve our present style of hiding ourselves away from the world.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/21/06

Lupe ::I do not belong to the INVISIBLE church,but the Visible church, Jesus Christ Formed, Acknowledged & appointed Apostles;I believe in the Holy Spirit,the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints,the forgiveness of sins & the Resurrection of the Body.& life everlasting.You,Rev Herb,ECT are Free to believe;I do not come to evangalise but tell on this forum as I KNOW it.ONE FLOCK ONE want to go with DENOMINATIONS YOUR CHOICE.Jesus is My God & saviour,His Holy Mother is my witness.
---Emcee on 8/21/06

Emcee, the invisible church begin at Pentecost, and consist of all believers from all nations from all denominations that follow the essentials of the Christian faith only, as Rev-Herb stated. He is correct in his answers on the church. The word catholic, means, "Universal" in which the Catholic church took the name from, but didn't consist of all churches at the time and still doesn't. It is an entity in itself, one denomination only.
---Lupe2618 on 8/21/06

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5. Though ruled by one "Head-Christ-the body has many members, each gifted and endowed by God to contribute to the work of the whole body. The body of believers are the members who have been purchased by the blood of Christ. It is also called, the family of God, the people of God, the elect, the bride of Christ, the company of the redeemed, the communion of saints, the new Israel, among others.
---Lupe2618 on 8/21/06

4. across the earth including people from all nations. The church is apostolic in that the teaching of the apostles as contained in sacred Scripture is the foundation of the church and the authority by which the church is governed. It is an organism, made up of many living parts. It is called the body of Christ. Just as a human body is organized to function in unity by the coworking and codependence of many parts, so the church as a body displays unity and diversity.
---Lupe2618 on 8/21/06

3. but in some measure invisible to us. The "invisible church" is transparent but completely visible to God. It is the duty of the believer to make the invisible church visible. The church is one, holy, universal, and apostolic. The church is one. Though fragmented by denominations, the believers are united by one Lord, one faith, and one baptism. The church is holy because it is sanctified by God and indewelt by the Holy Spirit. The church is universal in that its membership extends
---Lupe2618 on 8/21/06

2. The "visible church" (consisting of those who make first a profession of faith, are baptized, and enrolled in membership of the institutional church), Jesus indicated there would be tares growing along with the wheat. Though the church is "holy" it always, in this time, has an unholy mixture within it. Not all of those who honor Christ with their lips honor Him with their hearts as well. Since God alone can read the human heart, the true elect or Christians are visible to Him,
---Lupe2618 on 8/21/06

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Emcee, I believe Alan is correct in that Rev-Herb just made a mistake in writing. He is not Eloy, who gives you no capital letters but himself he does. Please don't take it as an attack on your being. I believe one of the things you are having a problem with is in separating the invisible church and the visible one. Because the church on earth is always what St. Augustine called "mixed body," it is necessary to distinguish between the visible church and the invisible church.
---Lupe2618 on 8/21/06

Alan of UK::Since you have taken up the cudgels of defence.Reply Hints Item#2 require a spelling check.I know when there is a mistake & what is called a deliberate one ,However,I am always willing to give the BOD to any one. A typo error is one thing-You know the difference & its not,being backed up in a corner,or hiding for want of a response.Like I have always said you are a fair man.Peace be with you.
---Emcee on 8/21/06

alan8869_of_UK , You are really likeable, I can't believe you are still widowed, that someone hasn't snactched you up yet!(smile)--Mrs.Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/21/06

Alan, you're so funny! We all make spelling mistakes, I think most can figure out what we are writing.
---NV_Barbara on 8/21/06

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Jack; In Matt.28 where Jesus said "go therefore and make disciples ...teaching them etc." was this not a command to "witness"? Foreign to Judaism???
---1st_cliff on 8/18/06

Jack; Why did Jesus read from the scrolls if it was not to bear witness as to who He was?
---1st_cliff on 8/18/06

Emcee ... I for one have constantly to read what I have written, and correct words & speling, especuially names. It's easy to let a mistake get thuogh.
This blog is exactly as my finges typed it, and this time I 've not bothererd to correct it.
I think yuo shuold give herb the benefit of the duoubt & I'm sure his mispelling of yuou name was not intenrional
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/18/06

Rev Herb ::Either you have a problem with spelling- especially names -but I shall over look in view of your status.
---Emcee on 8/18/06

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History & the word show that Jesus whipped the money changers& hawkers Saying "my Fathers house is a house of Prayer & you have made it a den of Thieves".Therefore it is a temple a place of worship no school assembly or playground.
---Emcee on 8/18/06

Rev Herb::Can you fortell your destiny?No- but you may assume,given the assurance of God on the condition you ARE ABSOLUTELY FREE from SIN.Nothing defiled shall enter heaven;So only He Knows & we throw ourselves on His Mercy,as his children.If you answer Yes- then Beware of Soothsayers!!! Next Question.
---Emcee on 8/18/06

** Jack; The synagogue was no way a "church" but actuall was instituted as a "school"**

While the Yiddish word "shul" is clearly a cognate of the German "Schule", actually the Hebrew term for "synagoge" is "beth kenesseth".

Both mean "place/house of assembly."

**He took advantage of the occasion to "witness"**

"Witnessing" is a pop-evangelical concept foreign to Judaism.
---Jack on 8/18/06

I thought this thread was about history?
---MikeM on 8/18/06

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Questioning your salvation is not having a peaceful heart. True we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. But let us not forget that peace is a fruit of the Sprit. Saints have love, joy, PEACE, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
Spritualy prosperous are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
---Ryan on 8/17/06


If you were to die right now, do you know for sure (100% sure) you would go to heaven?
---Rev_Herb on 8/17/06

Jack; The synagogue was no way a "church" but actuall was instituted as a "school" It was a Jewish "custom" (not commanded by God)but because they were there He took advantage of the occasion to "witness" and according to scripture was very effective!
---1st_cliff on 8/17/06

following jesus is a personal decision to believe what he said. who he was,why he came,what his work was.after accepting this then your work starts with the help of the only must choose to follow him daily,moment by moment,issue by issue,knowing in your heart he is with you always.
---tom2 on 8/17/06

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2.The long night of the dark ages was the RCC control of everything. Endless wars, persecutions, corrupt Popes, etc. The reformation, 1530 spawned new wars,(30 years war) persecutions, etc. The positive point was the individual, as a rule, made a choice for salvation, not a ecclesiastical
body. Then if they could made a salvation choice, then also in secular, civils matters,thus the rebirth of democracy. Today its secularism vs.ALL religion in the west.
---MikeM on 8/17/06

1.After the death of the Apostles the 'Church's' absorbed many pagan religions beliefs, and Greek philosophy, so that by Constantine, 325AD the 'Church' was a miasma of creeds,beliefs, and sacred books. Up until then they were persecuted relentlessly. By 385AD the Christians(RCC)were persecuting everybody else, pagan and 'heretics.' The dark ages began. (Gibbon)
---MikeM on 8/17/06

** If Jesus is your example,did He sit in a building on sunday morning and ring a bell for all to come?**

He went to the synagogue, "as his custom was" (Luke 4:16), where services were NOT just on the Sabbath but were daily, yea, TWICE daily, morning and evening.
However, did Jesus use a computer, as your custom is, 1st Cliff?
If you're supposed to be following Him, why do you use one?
---Jack on 8/17/06

Rev Herb:: I dont know why. But you do come accross as partial.You are the originator.even your comparative selection is offensive.You claim Catholic Teachings are wrong & you are ready to Malign Jesus's mother.What do you really know about the Mother of Our Lord Jesus --Nil.Learn about this subject & get the facts.I am sorry for disagreeing with you in a polite way
---Emcee on 8/16/06

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Why should I change or be imparcial if I read my bible and it say one thing and the Catholics practice something else. If the bible says homosexuality is a sin, should I change or be imparcial so not to hurt someones feeling?

For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
---Rev_Herb on 8/16/06

**Jack; The Syrian Orthodox church does not include 2Pet.Jude,2nd&3rd John and revelation ,are you in this group?**

The Syrian Orthodox are non-Chalcedonian, sometimes called the Lesser Eastern Churches or Oriental Orthodox, to distinguish them from the Chalcedonian churches.

I did not know this about the Syriani (as they are sometimes called). But since Peter founded the church of Antioch, is it strange they would have a tradition about what he did and did not write?
---Jack on 8/16/06

Jack, I knew from an early post you were Orthodox, to which I have some inclination.
To put it simply, I accept all the General Councils, Nicea, Ephesus and Constantinople.
When I say the Nicene Creed, I eave out the filioque clause, as it was put in unilatrerally by a Spanish monk in the 9th century.
Of the 2 churches, the Orthodox have a better claim to the truth.
---mike8384 on 8/16/06

Jack; The Syrian Orthodox church does not include 2Pet.Jude,2nd&3rd John and revelation ,are you in this group?
---1st_cliff on 8/16/06

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If Jesus is your example,did He sit in a building on sunday morning and ring a bell for all to come? Then why would you? Christians are supposed to be following Him!
---1st_cliff on 8/16/06

Rev Herb ::You have shown Bias all along to wards the Catholic church. So it is hard for you to change & be impartial.
---Emcee on 8/15/06

**Where: Rome!Constantine Roman leader converted to the false Christiantany.**
Exactly WHAT "false Christiantany [sic] did Constantine convert to? Be specific about what was false. (So far as I can tell, he was neither Gnostic nor Arian.)

**During the fifth century, Leo II Popery oficially established.**
Leo II flourished in the SEVENTH century, not fifth.
---Jack on 8/15/06

Where: Rome!Constantine Roman leader converted to the false Christiantany. During the fifth century, Leo II Popery oficially established. As far as who, I gave you a couple of names. So stick that in you smoke and pipe it.
---Rev_Herb on 8/15/06

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When. First century Jesus started the church. Mark 3:16-18 The church birthed on Pnetacost. During such time false doctrine was brought into some groups, Paul wrote against these. Second century baptismal regeneration began. By the third century the false church and goverenment came together to form what bacame the RCC church. It started with Constantine.
---Rev_Herb on 8/15/06

Read the letters to the seven churches in Revelation you will find a remarkable similarity to the course of history there.

No one could go through the whole thing in this format.
---Linda32708 on 8/15/06

Part 2:

Are you saying the Church was in error to say that the FULLNESS of divine nature and the FULLNESS of nature, including two wills (human and divine) and two energies (human and divine) existed in the incarnate Logos, Christ? (Councils 5 & 6)

Which of these doctrines are wrong?

Where the West went astray--and her Protestant, Evangelical, and Pop-evangelical daugthers followed her--was with Filioquism.

BTW--I'm Orthodox
---Jack on 8/15/06

Mike 8384: ** Jack, I would say that the Western church went into herecy shortly after BNicea,**

Are you saying that the church was in error to declare that the Son was of the same substance/essence as the Father? (Nicea 1)

Are you saying that the Church was in error to proclaim the full deity of the Holy Spirit? (Constantinople 1)

Are you saying that the Church was in error to say that the Divine and Human natures were hypostatically united in the person of Jesus Christ? (Ephesus)
---Jack on 8/15/06

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Jack, I would say that the Western church went into herecy shortly after BNicea, and began to drift away from the Eastern church. Overall, i believe that the Eastern church is still closer in spirit to the original ideas of Christianity.
Sort of back handed proof: the RCC has been persecuting the Orthodox church for centuries.
---mike8384 on 8/15/06

Kingston. 1st cliff reject Pauls writings. Thats why some of posts shows his hatred towards Paul. Cliff blams everything on paul.
---Ramon on 8/15/06

Kingston; In a nutshell Jesus set His followers "into all the world to make disciples" They were not instructed to build churches! The 7 churches in Asia Minor were Paul's idea.He set up the system of elders,decons with all the rules and regulations etc..he was the master organizer and it grew from there! Is there anywhere in the bible that God (or Jesus) commanded the building of cathederals,churches,temples,halls or synagogues?
---1st_cliff on 8/14/06

Kingston, do you really think that a 2000 year old story about which books and multivolume histories have been written can be told in 85 words?
---Jack on 8/14/06

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** The false church, which became the RCC started shortly there after.**

Be specific, Rev Herb.




Otherwise, you are just spouting rhetoric.
---Jack on 8/13/06

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