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Is The Death Penalty Murder

Why isn't the death penalty murder? Also, why is war not murder?

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 ---Blair on 8/14/06
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Murder is the illegal taking of life by someone who is not authorised to do so. By deffinition, capital punishment is state authorised.
Many, including more myself, consider that a war to make their empire larger is murder, but not self deffence.
---mike8384 on 4/1/08

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How can the death penalty be justified?

- it is certainly not self-defence (a prisoner can be locked up for life).

- and if someone does take it upon themselves whether someone should live or die, in a non self-defence decision, then how can that person be 100% sure the person is guilty of the crime. What happens if the person executed was completely innocent (as does happen)?

- death penalty reduces the opportunity for repentence.
---Ed on 6/1/07

Because both were sactioned by God.
---notlaw99 on 5/30/07

=2= Revelation 13:10 "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints" cont.
---tofurabby on 10/9/06

=3= Acts 25:11 the apostle Paul says, "For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar."

Why didnt Paul say, the death penalty is not for today? Instead he admits if he did something worthy, then he was willing to die. Why would he say that if there were no crimes worthy of death? Instead he acknowledges that there are.
---tofurabby on 10/9/06

The death penalty was established long ago by God himself:
Genesis 9:6 "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."
Exodus 21:12 "He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death."

But now, everyone seems to think it is nulified in the New Testament. I dont think this is true. cont.
---tofurabby on 10/9/06

The death penalty is taking the life of another human being. I do not believe that the New Testament teaches that it is alright. It does teach punishment, but not the death penalty. Some "hang-men" have gotten convicted over what they do and have gotten saved. War is not murder. Wars have been happening for a very long time, and God even caused some of them in the Old Testament.
---Helen_5378 on 10/8/06

It is murder.
---Eloy on 10/5/06

Emcee, put your feathers down and read my post again.
Let me ask you about these you spoke of, What crime have they been properly sentenced to death for? What did they do?
A Baby being aborted? I am sure you have been around CN long enough to know my answer to that. If there is an unwanted pregnancy why not kill the Mother? She is the one that caused it. (Now the rest of you holler about the Father.) It makes as much sense.
Cond #2
---Elder on 10/5/06

The scriptures are quite clear that we should not murder despite what we think is fit for molesters, evil doers ect We are taking the Job of the RIGHT Judge and Jury Jesus and the Saints when we ourselves act as Holyer and righteously able to pass that kind of sentance putting ourselves above the judgement seat of God.
---Carla5754 on 10/5/06

As far as bad convictions go, the Bible tells us to use a court/jury system:

"Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be put to death by the mouth of witnesses: but one witness shall not testify against any person to cause him to die." Numbers 35:30

of course, if our judicial system was honest, we wouldnt have falsely convicted inmates.
---tofurabby on 10/5/06

Killing and murder are the same thing. Both carry the idea of causing another being to die. Dont get hung up on words. The issue is the motives behind the words. Thou shalt not kill. Look, if everyone did follow this command, there would be no punishment for this crime. But, if someone breaks this command, God gave us consequences for it. Life for life.
---tofurabby on 10/5/06

Jesus gave the requirements for executioners in John 8.

Therefore, if you believe Jesus, capital punishment is for all practical purposes abrogated.

And may I remind the bloggers that if you say you have no sin, you deceive yourself and the Truth (Jesus) is NOT IN YOU!
---Jack on 10/5/06

Elder. Right on. Taking thou shalt not kill literally would mean we couldn't kill a fly or use plants and animals for food which God said we could do. The word "murder" is used in most modern translations and conveys the truth more clearly.
---john on 10/5/06

Elder ::Since you admit to justifyable killing. Is war& abortion Justifyable Killing?doing away with chilren with defective Genes,who are a drain on society?
---Emcee on 10/5/06

Jesus said several times "It has been said",quoting the OT law. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. That's capital punishment. But I say unto you,l love your enemies, pray, and bless them. Do you see that Jesus changed capital punishment? It never brought real justice becasue it also murdered innocent people.
---john on 10/5/06

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There are two different things involved here.
There is murder and killing.
Murder is the illegal taking of someone's life and killing is the legal taking of someone's life.
We kill animals and plants to eat. If killing was wrong then we could not do this.
Read Rom 13 about civil government.
In our english printed Bible some places where it says kill it is a mistranslation of the word murder as in Rom 13:9 and Exod 20:13.
---Elder on 10/5/06

peter9784, I have two comments concerning your post: #1 The commandment is 'Thou shall not 'MURDER.' This is quite different than 'Thou shall not 'KILL.' #2 God instituted capital punishment along with the covenant of Noah. Capital punishment is for the security of the society not revenge for the individual. As a Christian I would say, if someone murders one of your loved ones do not get angry with the murderer.
---Ryan on 10/5/06

This is where I get confused. Why does the Bible say one thing, then completely say the oposite? Like this subject about killing. If you kill somebody, you should die the same, but...... thou shall not kill...etc. Whats the correct thing? Which one should I follow?
---sue on 10/4/06

The fifth commandment says THOU SHALL NOT KILL.Revenge is mine sayeth the Lord.In my humble opinion it is against Gods Laws to take someone elses life.Even if it is by legal execution.Who says it is legal?? GOD OR MAN! I completely understand that there are child and women killers who might not deserve to live--but I do not think that it is our decision,to play the roll of almighty God..He gives life and it is His right to take it..
---peter9784 on 10/4/06

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The man was cleared of her death but i belive
he is demon possed
---Betty on 9/4/06

Blair, because God said, "If you shed a man's blood, your blood shall be shed." That's why the death penalty isn't murder. The person who did the murdering FIRST, his blood shall be shed per God in Leviticus.
I don't know about why war is not murder, I believe it is.
---Donna9759 on 8/21/06

The scripture I was looking for is Proverbs 19:19. I am not speaking of an accidental death because it does happen, but when someone reasons in their heart to kill another person, they should be put to death. The pervert who killed Jonbenet Ramsey should be tortured in public. He is the worst kind. He fled to Thailand where child sex it prevalent so he could be even more preverse.
---shira on 8/18/06

Murder means "put to death", therefore the death penalty is murder. And war means "to wrangle, fight, therefore does not mean murder. As Christians we are to obey Christ's New Covenant Law (and not Moses' Old Testament Law), as stated in Matthew 5:38-48, which commands us to turn the other cheek when struck, and to love our enemies.
---Eloy on 8/18/06

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Agreed Alan. I would never vote for the return of capital punishment for ANY crime. There have been so many people imprisoned in the U.K. in the last 30 or so years (who would have been hanged if we still had capital punishment here) that were later released when 'new evidence was found' or 'it was discovered that police had withheld information' that the idea of reinstating the punishment is horrendous. In addition, every time this has happened the real killer stays free.
---emg on 8/18/06

I agree with Sue's reservations. There have been several miscarriages of justice in the UK, and it has been proved that innocent men have been executed.
We now have a system here that people with convictions for serious violent crime are not eligible for parole unless they acknowledge their guilt. We have recently heard of several cases where innocent men have maintained that innocence, and so have suffered not only unjustified imprisonment, but also no parole.
Apology from authority? ... No way!
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/17/06

Shira, I would agree with you but what about mistakes? What if we killed an innocent man/woman? It happens.
---sue on 8/17/06

God created mankind in his own image. Who ever kills (not as in wartime) another man is therefore guilty of destroying the image of God in that man.
That is why God said after the fall, in Ge 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. (KJV)
That is the only basis for capital punishment: God requires it.
---John_T on 8/17/06

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I have often wondered the same thing and personally would not involve myself in either. Ex. 20:13 "Thy shalt not kill". Kill is defined as put to death. Mat. 19:18 "Thou shalt do no murder" Murder is defined as intentional homicide. Homicide is defined as the killing of one person by another. Each definition violates both commandments, and are applicable to both the death penalty and war. So the Father sanctioning them are confusing, yet I know that he did. A contradiction?
---josef on 8/17/06

capital punishment is sanctioned by God and had our country used it, crime would be way down. I can't put my finger on it, but Psalms says if you deliver a man, yea, thou must do it again. I believe that from the bottom of my heart. Capital punishment should be quick and effective.
---shira on 8/16/06

Capital punishment I can totally understand, but war baffles me. It seems so broad and senseless. Does its accomplishments ever equal its losses?
---melissa on 8/14/06

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