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Is There Holy Communion

Am I wrong in this? I have habitually referred to communion as "holy" Communion. But on examination of the Scriptures I cannot find where the word communion is prefaced with the word holy. So again I ask am I in the wrong by using the term "holy Communion"?

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Calling communion holy has nothing to do with the RCC. They just happen to acknowledge that if something has been blessed that it is holy.
Here are some more holy things in the NT.
Jerusalem, truth, angels, Jesus, John The Baptizer, the Lord's name, prophets, First born males, temple, Scripture, law, the lump,root,and branches, the body, kiss, children of a believer, virginity, ministers in the temple, apostles, the brotherhood, hands, calling, N.T. priesthood, faith, prayer.
---john on 9/16/06


1 Tim. 4:4-5 Says we that the food we put in our mouth is made holy when it is blessed by prayer. You are not incorrect to call it holy communion. Your breakfast was holy if you asked the blessing for it this morning.
The word "sanctify" is the process by which something becomes holy and prayer is the main way to sanctify.
---john on 9/16/06


Jana ... what scrolls are you speaking about, which were destined for 7 churches? Presumably they never arrived, but you say they are kept in Rome.
Which John do yuo refer to, and when was this, where are they now and what is their message?
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/16/06


I wonder why "Our Lord said One Flock One shepherd""I kow my sheep & mine know Me" Was he trying to say "beware of Sheep in Wolf's clothing"these references are very pertinant.Being God He was IMHO able to see into the Future & knew by satan Giving Birth to multiple org'she would create confusion.Discontent& upheaval among God's people
---Emcee on 9/16/06


R.A.-(One problem. The Rock is Jesus, the chief cornerstone. Just finished a study about 'on this rock I will build My church.' Eph 2:20 Psalm 118:22 ) So you are going to believe in your Pastor own interpretation.
---Ruben on 9/16/06




I believe the Catholic church was the mother church in the days of the Roman kings. The scrolls were sneaked in from John to give to the 7 churches but captured by the Romans and taken to the Vatican where it was kept from the people. I believe it was chained to the place where it was placed for their own perusal but cannot remove from. When the people found out, they started their own and moved away from the mother church which was by then tainted with error.
---jana on 9/16/06


Helen ... # 2 There seem to be two different strands of Lutheranism. One, strong in America belives in much doctrine you would say was catholic. Tina would be able to help on this.
The European strand of Lutheranism has moved away from these Catholic doctrines, and does not believe in trans .... or perpetual virginity or assumption.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/9/06


Helen ... # 1 I missed your question about others who beleive in transubstantiation.
I believe the Orthodox do, and also in various other doctrines such as perpetual virginity of Mary. I'm not sure about the Assumption. & Orthodox as I observed on a recent visit to Central Europe, is very works based.
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/9/06


Helen, Im curious to know what you are basing your statement on that the "RCC did not begin until several hundred years after Peter's death. "
---NurseRobert on 9/8/06


Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Peter was over the Jewish converts in jerusalem
that church was destroyed in 70 ad. The Roman Church was started by paul as well as the Greek church.
---Exzucuh on 9/8/06




Helen::My approach, has been one of Kindness & sincerity.I cant help your unbelief.You love Jesus Passionatel for taking you out of a state of depression& covered you with His love but yet denying. Is He NOT the same Jesus? If not Then who?He said THIS IS MY BODY& BLOOD.whether other people believe transubstantiation is not the point at Issue. Do you Believe?If you don't, it is NOT the same Jesus. If He fed thousands with 2 fish & 5 loaves why cant He feed the world with His B&B on His WORD
---Emcee on 9/8/06


It is totally beyond me that RCC people can constantly say that Jesus started His church through Peter. Stop and think --- The RCC did not begin until several hundred years after Peter's death. So it is impossible for the RCC to have begun with Peter unless they started with a dead Peter. They've got a dead Mary, so why not a dead Peter too??
---Helen_5378 on 9/8/06


One problem. The Rock is Jesus, the chief cornerstone. Just finished a study about 'on this rock I will build My church.' Eph 2:20 Psalm 118:22
---R.A. on 9/8/06


Read The Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano.
How our lord revel himself to those who dont belive that the host is the body of Christ. for people who curse the RCC that means you are cursing our lord indirectly. coz he started this church thur Peter....
---Jw on 8/20/06


the adjective "holy" is quite acceptable. It descibes the communion, which is holy or sacred. It is in memory of our Lord's last supper before he was arrested and executed. When referring to the Communion, whether "holy" is spoken or not, it is understood to be holy. Just as when in Scripture the "Spirit" is understood to be "holy" eventhough it is not always written, just as the word "scripture" is also understood to always be "holy".
---Eloy on 8/18/06


Alan 8869ofUK - I did not know that about the eucharist. Thank you for the information. The fact that the Church of England does not believe in the transubstantiation (my, what a mouthful that word is) I guess in fact does make it unique to the RCC then. That is unless there is another denomination that believes the same thing as the RCC.... do you happen to know?
---Helen_5378 on 8/18/06


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Helen said, "The eucharist is unique to the RCC."
Lutherans believe that the Sacrament of the Altar is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ instituted by Christ Himself for us Christians to eat and to drink for the forgiveness of all our sins. God puts His Word into our ears and His body and blood into our mouths. This is most certainly true.
"I know of no other God than the One in the arms of the Virgin, on the Cross, and on the Altar. Marburg Colloquy
---Tina5349 on 8/17/06


Helen-( I asked to please show me in Scripture where God says that a man ("priest") will turn a wafer into Jesus' flesh, If you can't find it, then that is ok. ) 1 Corinthians 11:23 " For I received from the Lord the teaching that I passed on to you. that the Lord Jesus gave thanks to the Lord and said " This is my body"v 26 This means that every time you eat this bread ". Now, show me the WORD Bible, Trinity in the bible, if you can not thats Ok..
---Ruben on 8/17/06


Alan Of Uk ::I guess you have just explained the equivalent of those in John 6:66 but do read John6:27 my friend.This is not Manna from heaven Jn6:35.
---Emcee on 8/17/06


Jack: "Don't forget that chapter and verse divisions in the Bible are NOT in the original.Chapter divisions were made by a RC Cardinal (a follower of that nasty ole pope feller) in the 1200's and verse divisions were made in 1555."

Touche. ;)
---augusta on 8/17/06


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**
John 6 also says that most of the people found this a "hard saying" that they could not accept--and from that time WALKED WITH JESUS NO MORE!
---Jack on 8/16/06


Yep. John 6:66, as a matter of fact.**
Don't forget that chapter and verse divisions in the Bible are NOT in the original.
Chapter divisions were made by a RC Cardinal (a follower of that nasty ole pope feller) in the 1200's and verse divisions were made in 1555.
---Jack on 8/17/06


Helen "Yes you stated something that is true. The eucharist is unique to the RCC"
Actually, it is not rue.
The Church of England uses the term, but does nor beleive in transubstiantation. It is a memorial, but still called the Eucharist.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/17/06


Ruben - That is not a correct answer that you have given me. I asked to please show me in Scripture where God says that a man ("priest") will turn a wafer into Jesus' flesh, and wine into Jesus' blood, just as the RCC is claiming is done today. If you can't find it, then that is ok.
---Helen_5378 on 8/17/06


John 6 also says that most of the people found this a "hard saying" that they could not accept--and from that time WALKED WITH JESUS NO MORE!
---Jack on 8/16/06


Yep. John 6:66, as a matter of fact.
---augusta on 8/16/06


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**Read Gospel of John 6; 25-73 and the rest of the gospels where Jesus says" **

John 6 also says that most of the people found this a "hard saying" that they could not accept--and from that time WALKED WITH JESUS NO MORE!
---Jack on 8/16/06


Helen-( or any other catholic who is willing, to tell me where it says in Scripture that a man will turn a wafer and wine into flesh and blood.) Read Gospel of John 6; 25-73 and the rest of the gospels where Jesus says" This is my body and blood. Paul in 1 Corinthians chapter 11 read that also.
---Ruben on 8/16/06


Emcee - Yes you stated something that is true. The eucharist is unique to the RCC. However, anybody who knows the Bible for themselves will know that it is a lie. I ask you, or any other catholic who is willing, to tell me where it says in Scripture that a man will turn a wafer and wine into flesh and blood. Can you find it Emcee? (I already know the answer, just want to see if you can find it).
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06


Helen: "If it were real, then it would have to be real flesh and real blood, not a wafer and wine."

Nowhere did Jesus say that, Helen. He said He was giving us His flesh and blood in the form of bread and wine and we are to eat it in remembrance of Him. This is the point of faith -- to believe that which we cannot see.
---augusta on 8/16/06


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Helen, why do you always answer a question w/ a question? Can you show us what we twisted, or not?
Here's some more:
"Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 1Co 26-29
---augusta on 8/16/06


Emcee - Honestly your post to me makes no sense whatsoever. What on earth do you mean by Eve backing me up? I haven't used her name at all. And yes I am born-again, but there is only one source for that and that is Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I did not apostasize from the RCC, I very gladly left it and I will never go back because I now belong to the Lord Jesus Christ.
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06


Shira;; Please read the Command Of Jesus @ the last Supper.Eucharist =Body & Blood.This is unique of the Catholic Church in its celebration of the Mass throughout the world,as commanded by Christ in His words "THIS IS MY BODY THIS IS MY BLOOD".& the word was made flesh.This is my Belief in one flock One Shepherd.Jesus is with US till the end of time as He says.I believe this with all my heart.
---Emcee on 8/16/06


Shira;; Please read the Command Of Jesus @ the last Supper.Eucharist =Body & Blood.This is unique of the Catholic Church in its celebration of the Mass throughout the world,as commanded by Christ in His words "THIS IS MY BODY THIS IS MY BLOOD".& the word was made flesh.This is my Belief what's yours.
---Emcee on 8/16/06


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Helen::Your claim that the CC is not True,Powerful,Dangerous, Not Biblical,hypnotic & appeals to the senses of Man.& that is your view as an Apostate.so where is the proof of your Ranting & raving.& what is most strange you choose a person by name EVE to back you up,eve was beguiled once.see where that got her& all womankind.Remember the words "HE who is Not with me Is against Me"even if the rest is make believe.Yes you were born again But the source was different.
---Emcee on 8/16/06


Augusta - You ask "what we twisted here". What about what the rest of the Bible says about Jesus Christ and His death on the Cross for the sin of mankind and His resurrection from the dead? If you have read all that and know all that, then how can you claim what you are claiming?
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06


Shira - You are right -- God has never and will never approve of the eucharist and mass. They are both man-made and are of the devil himself, designed to lead good-meaning lost souls astray and with him into hell itself.
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06


2/... If the wafer were turned into Jesus' flesh, then naturally it would be just that, flesh, and no longer a wafer. If the wine were turned into Jesus' blood, then naturally it would be just that, blood, and no longer wine. How much clearer and plainer can I get than that?
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06


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Augusta - The whole thing of eating the flesh and drinking the blood is spiritual, not real as you claim. If it were real, then it would have to be real flesh and real blood, not a wafer and wine. I recall trying to get through to you on this before to no avail. If the RCC "priest" were to say what I am saying to you, then you would believe him. The last thing I remember of your precious wafer was that it stuck to my false teeth and I had to get it off with my finger. How dumb is that?
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06


eve writes: "Maybe Helen realizes that the rcc has a way of putting a christian twist on nonchristian ways.."
"Whoso eateth* my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed*."
(Jo 6:54-55)
* eateth - trogo; to gnaw, crunch, chew
* indeed - truly, of a truth, in reality
Now tell us what we twisted here.
---augusta on 8/16/06


When did God approve of mass and eucherist? When we take communion, it is in rememberance of Christ Blood and Body.
---shira on 8/16/06


Eve - That is right. Everything that the RCC does is works. Like all cults they try to put a christian twist on it, but it is in fact twisted and distorted Scripture made to appeal to man and get him to think that it is the real deal. The opposite is true -- absolutely none of what it teaches is true.
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06


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4/... "Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and nobody goes to the Father except by Him" (John 14:6). The problem with the RCC is they have their "Jesus" in the wafer. The real Jesus is the One Who became a Man and died on the Cross for sins, rose from the dead, and is now seated at the right hand of the Father in Heaven. Jesus is a real person. That's where the problem lies - the fact that Jesus is a real person, not something that pops up in a wafer.
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06


3/... That is not my intention. My whole intention is to tell catholics that they are believing a lie and if they do not repent they will go to hell. If you do not know for sure where you are going when you die, then that is because you are not born-again of the Spirit of God. It is Jesus Christ alone Who saves. There is no salvation in any other person or church or religious denomination.
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06


2/... When one becomes born-again and is filled with the Spirit of God that it's horrors are seen. I wish to say here that it is not the RCC people that I am coming against, but it's whole religious system. When seen for what it truly is, it is horrifyingly evil. Very sadly, the people caught up in it do not have a clue as to what is being said to them when they are told the truth. They just think that their church is being "bashed". (cont...)
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06


The RCC does not teach the truth in any way shape or form. It is a huge organisation with lots of power and is extremely dangerous. Some of it's teachings are very subtle and seem to be almost true until upon examination one discovers it is not Biblical. One of the huge problems with the RCC is it's visual appeal - it is extremely hypnotic and appeals to the senses of man. Man when looking at the buildings, statues, candles, ceremonies, sees something that to him looks nice. (cont...)
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06


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Jack - I very clearly see the terrible errors of the RCC, that is why I come across as I do. To see such error and see the souls that are in it going the wrong way straight to hell and to say nothing would be just unimaginable.
---Helen_5378 on 8/16/06


Donna::Not only is it NEAT but true Jesus was not pulling a fast oneThe wafer & wine consecrated IS the Body & Blood of The REAL Jesus & He invites us to Partake of HIM& assures us He who Partakes of My Body & blood I Live in Him &He in ME""what more can you ask for- your creator giving you an open Invitation.why do you think those who oppose are advocates of Satan because satan will NOT go near people who have the grace & Body of Jesus in them.Taste & see the goodness of the Lord.HIS WORDS
---Emcee on 8/15/06


Mima & Helen :: You are fighting Almighty God Not the Catholic Church as you Claim & I repeat"Those who are NOT WITH ME are against me."" It's as clear as a pike staff.It would be well to heed the warning ""it is better to save yourself Than suffer the loss of your own soul"Please do not condemn others .
---Emcee on 8/15/06


Helen, would you object to the term "holy matrimony" on the similarly specious ground that the term--even the very word "matrimony"--doesn't occur in the Bible?

How about revivals? They are not in the Bible, either.

Nor are hymnals.

For that matter, I've not seen the first computer in one.
---Jack on 8/15/06


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Mima--I'm anti-the false teachings of pop-evangelicalism and historical falsehoods I see here.

Eve--as long as the Roman Catholic Church acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, it cannot be the Antichrist or anything remotely resembling it.

There is more to be concerned about--spiritually and politically and physically--from Islam.
---Jack on 8/15/06


Maybe Helen realizes that the rcc has a way of putting a christian twist on nonchristian ways and trying to convince others that they are the one true way when in fact, they could possibly be the beast?!
---eve on 8/15/06


I believe Helen's burden for lost souls puts her in a anti-Catholic position. I believe this because this is the reason I'm anti-Catholic. I'm not anti-the individual Catholic no I am anti-the-Catholic Church and all of its false teachings. Those who are concerned for their fellow man can do no less.
---mima on 8/15/06


Helen 5378, why are you so bitter against anything that sounds the least bit "Catholic?"

Why do you carry such a burden of anger that reveals itself in blogs like this?
---Jack on 8/15/06


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Here's another question about Communion. WHY did Jesus tell us to "eat His flesh, drink His blood?" It is a really neat revelation I heard a long time ago by a VERY anointed man of God in his 60's back in 1989. Can you guess what the deeper revelation is about Communion? It's really neat.
---Donna9759 on 8/15/06


Communion is definitely a "holy" thing so the adjective is correct.
---Susie on 8/14/06


I do believe that it is incorrect to call it "holy" communion. Scripture refers to it as just communion. To call it "holy" is making the wafer itself important. The RCC does this and calls it Holy Communion. No - it is Jesus' death on the Cross that is important and communion is in remembrance of His death.
---Helen_5378 on 8/14/06


There is nothing wrong with calling the communion holy. It's something Jesus instructed us to do. No big deal to call it holy or not. How can any one be in error to call a blessing from God to be holy?
---john on 8/14/06


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Emcee ... Yes that is the most common useage, and as I said it does mean the use of the word is appropriate to communion.
I was told the other meaning by someone in my church, but can't find it in the dictionary!!!
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/14/06


**But on examination of the Scriptures I cannot find where the word communion is prefaced with the word holy.**

Took you this long to find that out?

Where do you find "Holy Bible" in the Bible itself, except on the title page?

I thought Christ freed us from such silly legalism.
---Jack on 8/14/06


Alan of UK::Sorry For disagreeing But the word Holy is Used only to imply That it was instituted BY God & has His approval Like Holy Matrimony,Holy Eucharist. Holy Mass.
---Emcee on 8/14/06


Donna::You are absolutely Correct.The Bread & wine which is changed by the words "this is my Body ,This is my Blood "is actually the Body & Blood of Jesus many people do not accept that, but since this is what Happens at each Consecration; Then, Yes It s HOLY being Christ's Body & Blood soul & Divinity.The same way you believe Jesus died for our sins in the same manner Jesus left us with His sustenance.I will be with you always. do this as a remembrance of me.Faith is in Belief.
---Emcee on 8/14/06


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If we consider communion to be "eat my flesh, drink my blood" as Jesus told us, and if we consider Jesus Holy, then the communion we take as a symbol of the Body and Blood of Jesus is Holy. However, I think, but could be wrong, the word Holy was added by the Catholic Church. I could be wrong, so don't jump on me please.
---Donna9759 on 8/14/06


I don't think that there is such a thing as "holy" communion any more than a "holy" baptism. In my mind, to call it "holy" infers that there is significance about it other than simply being a memorial.
---Bruce5656 on 8/14/06


I don't think so, Mima. What is a word anyway?
After all, it is only a translation form another language. To be in commuinion with, means to have fellowship with. We could use that word.
Now Holy does imply that it is special, away from the World, so it does seem an appropriate word.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/14/06


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