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What Is Binding And Loosing

In Sunday School we are discussing Matthew 16:18-19. We have varying views. I'd like some help in understanding other viewpoints esp. with the ideas about binding and loosing.

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Jesus tell Peter that he is now a rock and this is the rock that the church will be built upon.

The binding and loosing was explained to me as whatever in the name of Jesus is said or done in heaven can be said or done on earth. And whatever is said or done on earth can be said or done in heaven. There are no more barriers between earth and heaven.
---Debbie_Smith on 4/2/07


Scripture then Explanation: 1 Pet 3:18-20
"For Christ also hath once suffered sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit by which He also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison which sometime were disobedient when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing wherein few, that is eight souls were saved"
---TS on 4/1/07


Mathew:

Jesus preached How? "By the Spirit" To Who? "the spirits in prison" Those in the prison of SIN. The "disobedient(s) when...God waited in the days of Noah"

Jesus died and was raised by the same Spirit that in the days of Noah preached to Souls (people) to repent.

Jesus...in (hell) meaning "grave." Was resurrected by the same Spirit He used to reach the 8 Souls getting in the Ark.

No preaching 3 days in Hell was ever done.
---TS on 4/1/07


Matthew-- I looked up 1 Peter 3,18-29. Just as in Noah Days the patience of God with sinners will expire. Noah's Salvation in the Ark upon the water prefigured the Salvation of all good Christians. Noah and His family, who believed and were obedient, were saved. And the Sacrament of baptism [water] rightly received, is a means and a pledge of Salvation. The external participation of baptism will save no man. === Eucharist- wine and bread are also thanksgivings.
---catherine on 3/31/07


T.S. How do you interpret this passage?

1 Peter 3:18-29
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing
---Matthew on 3/31/07




cynthia: "Verily I say into you today, you will be with Me in Paradise." Luke 23:43 Note the punctuation is not found in the original Greek, it was placed by men.

Did Jesus go to Heaven that day? No.
When Mary met Him outside the Tomb Jesus said, "Do not touch Me for I have not yet ascended to the Father" John 20:7

So when Jesus comes again that thief will be brought into the Kingdom and spend time with Jesus in the New Jerusalem in the Paradise of God (Rev2:7)
---TS on 3/30/07


ts
Do you remember what Christ told the thief on the cross who was crucified with him.

This day you shall be with me in Paradise.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/30/07


Cynthia:
Psalm 104:29 "Thou hidest Thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their bread, they DIE, and RETURN to the DUST"

"And God formed man from the DUST of the ground, and BREATHED into his nostrils the BREATH of life and man became a living soul" Gen2:7

Thus:
Body + Breath = Living Soul
Body - Breath = Dead Soul, returns to Dust

A man is a Soul and a Bird is a soul. Only two types of souls: Living and Dead.
---TS on 3/30/07


ts...I beg to differ with you here.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/30/07


cynthia: Devil's First Lie remade.

"Thou shalt not surely die" perpetuates from Eden. God declared all with familiar spirits (ghosts) abomination. Why? Evil angels pretend as ghosts and lead people astray. God instructs to protect. At death "their thoughts perish" there is no consciousness in death. They await ressurection. David in thoughtless sleep. Job: "Hide me in the grave till thy wrath is past" Wrath, at the Second Coming when all the graves shall open.
---TS on 3/29/07




Dear TS.. I need to help you understand something I totally promise you that David and Peter are in Heaven at this very moment.

Like the hand wearing the glove, glove being your body, hand representing your soul.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/29/07


cynthia: Peter is dead. He is not in Heaven. "The Dead Know not anything." Is King David in Heaven? No.

"For David is not ascended into the heavens; but he said himself, the Lord said unto my Lord sit thou on my right hand." Acts2:3

David aint there and neither is Peter. They sleep in the dust awaiting resurrection.
---TS on 3/29/07


URGENT: I forgot to mention something extremely important! When you are taking this authority, in the name of Jesus. YOU HAVE EXTREME CONTROL, however, the demons will stand to attention, when they are bound but it is important that you send them far away after you bind them because if not they will be bound at that moment but will not leave. When you say to a mountain and be removed, where? into the sea?
---Cynthia_1 on 3/29/07


The church has been given authority to bind the attacks of the enemy, strongholds, the devil and his cohorts. Everyday we are in spiritual battle, discernment is URGENT in this day, this is given as a STRONG WEAPON in the supernatural realm. As it is stated in Genesis, you were created to take "dominion". Peter is in heaven now keys or no keys, rock or no rock, he is dead. PART 1
---Cynthia_1 on 3/29/07


There is nothing that the devil loves more, than to make you think you do not have the power to bind and loose him or his demons. Demons are terrified of you excersising your authority of binding and loosing. According to Matthew 18:18. In the spiritual realm, when you understand your position, and take authority, Warring angels come to the rescue if you have faith to beleive what I am telling you and start to do it you will see what happens. Understand, You are in battle.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/29/07


Rueben: Please do not misrepresent. The Gospels were primarily written in Greek. In cases where the Greek didn't supply the correct salt a word in Aramaic was interjected. You lose credibility when you play such games.

God already forsaw the rise of the Roman Heresies and did this to counter the sophistry that they exhibit in subtle devlish arguments seen here everyday.
---TS on 3/28/07


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.ruben, "But when Peter was come, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter," Gal.2:11,14. But Peter was afraid and began to sink, and cried, Lord, save me. And Jesus lifted him up and said Why did you doubt. Mat.14:30-31. Peter says that if all were offended of Jesus, yet he would not and he will not deny Jesus even to death. But he denied the Lord 3 times. Mat.26:33-35,69-75.
---Eloy on 3/28/07


Eloy-Nope, Peter is no Rock, not even a pebble; but he was a traitor to Jesus and he treated the Gentile converts badly.


So does that mean you do not read Acts of the Apostles, 1 and 2 Peter...
---Ruben on 3/28/07


Eloy- Then said Jesus, on this Rock that Peter spoke I will build me the assembly. Jesus said he himself is the Rock, and that he alone is the Rock.


Now this is what the Bible has:Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that (you are Peter,) and (on this rock )I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it." Compare yours to the Bible!
---Ruben on 3/28/07


the Binding and loosing is dealing with teachings. Jesus is speaking about what the church will do in the future. We bind some things with our teachings and loosen others. right or wrongly. But it deals with teaching. But we need to remember that these bindings are not binding others but mainly bind ourselves.
---Jared on 3/28/07


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TS-Ruben: Under "Inspiration" this Gospel was written in Greek specificly to remove any doubt as to the meaning since in the Aramaic,


Passage John 1:42:
And he brought him to Jesus.
Jesus looked at him and said, "You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas" (which, when translated, is Peter
Footnotes:

John 1:42 Both Cephas (Aramaic) and Peter (Greek) mean rock.
---Ruben on 3/28/07


lorra: My Apologies! Somehow a cut and paste for "augusta" was attributed to your good name here.

I do disagree with the Petra, Petros theorizing however, and the gender play regarding the first century Greek...This is precisely when the Gospels were written. Yet we agree that in no way can they be used to justify RCC's Position on Peter as the foundation of the Church.
---TS on 3/28/07


lorra: You strain a Gnat to swallow a camel.
The Pharisees did the same to keep the tradition of a Prideful, Pomp, and Circumstance filled religion....ultimately rejecting the Spirit of Truth is the Unpardonable Sin.

eloy: You are correct
---TS on 3/28/07


lorra8574, Jesus is the Rock, not Peter. Jesus did NOT say upon YOU Peter I will build the assembly, but instead he said, upon me, "On THIS Rock", spoken in verse 16. The identity Peter proclaimed is, Jesus is the Rock, Peter was prejudicial and Jesus saved him from drowning because he lost his faith, and he also denied Christ 3 times and then the cock crowed. Nope, Peter is no Rock, not even a pebble; but he was a traitor to Jesus and he treated the Gentile converts badly.
---Eloy on 3/27/07


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lorra8574, Jesus spoke many languages, Greek, Hebrew, Latin, and Sryiac, for all these were spoken by the residents in Jerusalem. Your catholic suppositions are false. Jesus is the only Rock of his church. Read it again: Who do people say that I am?...But whom do you say that I am? Peter answered, You are the Christ, the Son of God live. Then said Jesus, on this Rock that Peter spoke I will build me the assembly. Jesus said he himself is the Rock, and that he alone is the Rock.
---Eloy on 3/27/07


TS, confusion is for those whom do not ask for light from God. Whether Jesus said Petros or called Peter pebble, the meaning remains the same. Jesus is the Rock, He always was, always is, and always will be. But those who want to build upon Peter instead of Christ, they are as sinking ground. And when the storms come they will collapse and great will be their ruin. Christ is the Rock, and not Peter nor Paul nor Mary nor Sally nor Jesse nor Raphalie; but Jesus Christ, he alone is the sure foundation.
---Eloy on 3/27/07


ts: In Greek the term Petra is a feminine noun and it had to be masculinized to be used to apply to Simon who is male. You will NOT find Petros used in Greek documents prior to the first century, and since that time only as a proper name.

The Greeks have another word for pebble or stone - lithos, which may also refer to a buiding stone. Foundation stones are significantly larger and were called petra in Greek; but petros does not exist in Koine Greek other than as a proper name.
---lorra8574 on 3/27/07


Ruben: Under "Inspiration" this Gospel was written in Greek specificly to remove any doubt as to the meaning since in the Aramaic, which was also spoken in this formerly Greecian held crossroad, there is no word that separates the two meanings.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth and if we accept that then the abiguity is removed.
---TS on 3/27/07


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Eloy, Jesus likely spoke in Aramaic and the word for rock was the same in each case - Peter is the Rock and Jesus is the Master Builder. The rock analogy is used in a variety of ways, but in this case Jesus has removed Himself as the Rock and put Himself as the Master Builder.
---lorra8574 on 3/27/07


ts-Arguments using "aramaic" languages are bogus. Scriptures were written in Greek, not aramaic.


But was he speaking in Aramic or Greek?
---Ruben on 3/27/07


Ur spirit is bound to God when you are a child of Christ, by God being the creator and we His children, we also have certain responsibilties when using words, by what we say, we can bind and loose 'things' with our words. So what you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven, obviously not to missuse. It is for when Spiritual warfare applies. Has to be Biblical and in relationship with Christ and the Holy Spirit. Responsibilty. Difficult to explain shortly. Junia6337
---Juni on 3/27/07


In regards to Matthew 16:19....And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; And and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven..... This is not referring to Peter [[[only]]] for the same power is promised all believers Matthew 17:20..18:18..21:22..Mark 9:23..11:22-24..16:15-20..Luke 10:19....John 14:12-15...15:7...16...Acts 1:4-8...2:38-39...5:32...1 Corinthians 12.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/27/07


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Eloy: In the Greek, He did not say Peter... He said "Petros" meaning Pebble. Interjecting the word Peter simply confuses people.
---TS on 3/27/07


In Greek: "Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of God live. And I thereupon to you say, being you Peter, that yet on this Rock I will build me the assembly, and gates of hell will not have prevailing power against this." Against what? against the Rock. What Rock? Christ, his identity as revealed in verse 16; this is the Rock, the Rock of truth.
---Eloy on 3/27/07


pt.1: "And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatever you will bind on earth, will be bound also in heaven: and whatever you will unbind on earth, will be unbound also in heaven." Matthew 16:19. This speaks of being given the right judgment by the Holy Spirit, the power to rightly hold one accountable or else rightly release them.
---Eloy on 3/27/07


pt.2: "And when he had said this, he breathed upon them, and says to them, Receive you all the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins you all disregard, they are disregarded to them; whose soever you all regard, they are regarded." John 20:22,23.
---Eloy on 3/27/07


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Amen Cynthia! Matt. 18:18 deals with the authority Jesus gave to His church. The keys were mentioned in Chap. 17:16-19. That is a whole other discussion.
---Betty on 3/26/07


I will tell you what I have learned.==When ministers preach pardon and peace to the penitent, wrath and the curse to the impenitent, in Christ's name, you have the authority of binding and loosing. Now, the Apostles had a miraculous gift of discerning spirits. [Ministers may make a judgment of outward appearances,even tho they had a rule about it.]
---catherine on 3/26/07


Jesus is the Rock. Nothing clearer in Scripture.

"Thou art (petros). On this (Petra) I shall build My Church."

Jesus clearly was not speaking of Peter. Petros means pebble- in Greek as given by inspiriation. Petra means large Gibraltar like Rock.

Jesus said "You are a pebble." Then referring to Himself "On This Rock I shall build My Church."

Arguments using "aramaic" languages are bogus. Scriptures were written in Greek, not aramaic.
---TS on 3/26/07


Matthew 18:18, A Consecrated Christian, is up against plenty of oppositions, and strategys of the Devil, and his many demons that he sends out into all parts of the earth to trip them up, however, Carnal Christians, the Pee Wee Herman type would never have to bind a thing, because the Devil, or demons have no intimidation by this sort. A true Christian realizes who his enemy is, and then starts to excercise his God given authority, to start binding the evil, even to the pulling down of strongholds.
---Cynthia on 3/26/07


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Binding and loosing were rabbinical terms meaning to forbid and permit. Only Peter and the other apostles were given the authority & power to bind and loose, and the authority was passed down to their successors through the laying on of hands.

The decision on which books comprise the OT and NT is a tradition that is binding, for example.
---augusta on 3/23/07


linda , you say binding and loosing only for the Kingdom Age on earth, please tell me where you heard that, much thanks. --Mrs. Morgan
---Mrs._Morgan on 8/16/06


This teaching is not for the Church age of Grace. This will be during the 1000 year Kingdom Reign. These are Kingdom Age teachings.
---linda on 8/16/06


This authority of the prime minister under the king was passed on from one man to another down through the ages by the giving of the keys, which were worn on the shoulder as a sign of authority.

"He shall be a father to the inhabitants" (Isa 22:21). This is where the word pope comes from; Pope means "papa".
---augusta on 8/16/06


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"I will commit your responsibility into his hand. He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem And to the house of Judah.

The key of the house of David I will lay on his shoulder; So he shall open, and no one shall shut; And he shall shut, and no one shall open." Is 22:21-22

"And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Mt.16:19
---augusta on 8/16/06


As can be seen by the type in Isaiah 22:22, kings in the Old Testament appointed a chief steward to serve under them in a position of great authority to rule over the inhabitants of the kingdom. This is what Jesus is doing in Matt 16:18. He is installing Peter as a form of chief steward or prime minister under the King of Kings by giving him the keys to the kingdom. He is raising Peter up as a father figure to the household of faith (Is 22:21), to lead them and guide the flock (Jo 21:15-17).

cont
---augusta on 8/16/06


Ending of midrash:
"When, however, the Holy One, blessed is he, saw Abraham, he said, "Here I have found solid rock on which I can build and upon which I can lay the world's foundations."
Biven: "The similarity between Jesus' declaration and the above midrash is too great to be coincidental. It seems likely that Jesus alluded to a tradition with which his disciples were familiar, the tradition that God built the world on the sure foundation of a dependable man."
---augusta on 8/16/06


Biven writes: '"Jesus invests Peter with great authority in the kingdom of Heaven giving Peter the "keys of the kingdom of Heaven." We learn from the book of Acts that Peter was indeed the leader and spokesman of the early church."'

Biven goes on to say that Jesus was probably hinting at the Abraham-petra midrash when He made Peter the rock.

cont.
---augusta on 8/16/06


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"The fellow in Sun. Sch differs and says that the only person given power was Peter."

According to Scripture Peter is the only one who is given the keys. Christ made Peter the rock of the church giving him primacy. There's a good book that touches on this called 'Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus', by David Biven. Biven is a Hebrew scholar who now lives in Jerusalem (he's also a Baptist).

cont.
---augusta on 8/16/06


I believe the scripture to mean what Donna has stated, and much deeper. The fellow in Sun. Sch differs and says that the only person given power was Peter. He insists that the other disciples were left out and have no keys to unlock anything. I just find it mind boggling that they would write something for us to read 2k yrs later that did not concern us. Can someone explain it for today?
---Amy9384 on 8/15/06


Jesus said, "Behold I have give you authority to trample upon serpents and demons and over ALL the power of the enemy, etc.," YOu can bind the devil's evil workings and loose the Holy Spirit of conviction over someone's life. To bind means to restrain. You can restrain the devil from doing evil in a person's life. To loose means to unfree, unbound, not bind together. You loose the Holy Spirit in Jesus name. This goes much deeper but I'm running out of space/words.
---Donna9759 on 8/15/06


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