Two Different Salvations
Why hasn't TBN disfellowshiped with John Hagee for believing that there are two covenants? "1st", that the Jews after the flesh can receive salvation without Christ, "2nd", the gentiles need Christ. But disfellowship with Carlton Pearson for doing almost the same thing.
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And Galatians 3:16 say NOTHING about Gentiles being Jacob's seed.
Jacob was re-named ISRAEL, not Abraham.
The Church IS NOT a REMNANT of Israel PERIOD!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/14/09
Kthr. You are a rock solid believer....just in error scripturally. You know not what you promote. Below is scripture area you mentioned.
Gal 3:13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written:
Israel is the context of Galations. Galations is too, for and about Israel. Read the verse: Redeemed, and Law. Two words tell us that the former will be bought back....and second only one people had the Law. Throw in the "US" for a kicker. Add iheritance, as well as covenants found after. |
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---Trav on 9/15/09 |
So MarkV if we are NEITHER Jew or Gentile but NEW Creation In Christ, how is it YOU're spiritual Tribe of Israel, a REMNANT? You were baptized into Christ and Baptized into a Spiritual TRIBE
The Church IS NOT a REMNANT of Israel PERIOD!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/14/09
MarkV, servile as a new bride in spirit... seemingly understands the Laws mentioned in the N.Covenant are found where they should be found in hearts and minds of lost sheep of Divorced of Israel. These, as were the disciples ....Lost Sheep,(Matt 10:6,most certainly do make up a true Eklesia, Church. Rebels don't.
Mark V understands GOD can do anything he wants to do....as GOD. He can find the wife he "put away" Jer 3:1. Whether you or I can or not. |
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---Trav on 9/15/09 |
Who were those who came into the Galatian Church pushing Kingdom NOW Theology on these Gentiles saved By Grace....these were Christian Jews, however confused as they were. When Peter sat with them Paul rebuked him. They weren't there to KILL Paul, nor were they hostile to Christ....however they believed Gentiles to be sinners of the Jews...in submission to them, as it will be in the Millenniel Kingdom.
Israel will then be head and not the tail, and Gentiles will certainly have to come and bend their knees to Israel. Zechariah 14.
Paul explains WE are a New Creature...and clarifies the Church...AND The Israel of God.
Yes Miche, in the end....When the Kingdom is delivered up to the Father....and God is ALL in All!
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---kathr4453 on 9/15/09 |
MarkV, many statements you contribute are good and appreciated, however, let me make a comment. You promote a very Calvinistic philosophy that is not open to other legitimate interpretations. You also have an inconsistent application of your belief in that you rebuke miche, but then say "It is your choice." If one cannot change one's heart, how is it a choice? ....um...and then why do you bother stating your opinion when people have no power to change their hearts? We all err in some way, but I hope most of us are "Seeking first His Kingdom" and willing to change and learn His ways, are you? |
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---Rod4Him on 9/15/09 |
Matthew 12 has absolutely NOTHING to do with what Paul was teaching in Galatians.
Paul is contrasting GRACE = Calvary/ Holy Spirit with LAW.
In Matthew, NOTHING is mentioned whatsoever about GRACE. GRACE is taught to us in John, as John is to the CHURCH.
Matthew announces the KING and Kingdom,Announced by John the Baptist, set aside and will resume at the return of Jesus Christ to earth.
To say that Gentiles are spiritual Israel Paul taught in Galatians is a far stretch from the truth. That would cetainly be putting the Church under KINGDOM LAW and not GRACE plus NOTHING!
Paul taught the COMPLETE OPPOSIRE! |
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---kathr4453 on 9/15/09 |
Kath, you are correct. The church is not a remnant of Israel.
Didnt Christ die for the sins of the world?
Yep he sure did.
Didn't Christ say that he will save anyone who comes to him?
Yep he sure will.
How is Israel to be saved?
By Christ! The same as all the rest of us.
Like scripture says- Jesus is the only door/way for salvation of the world.
So, salvation doesn't just include Israel any more. Salvation is offered to all mankind.
Israel shall be saved the same as the Gentiles and jews!
Then we will all be part of one body, one Spirit and that is Jesus Christ! |
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---miche3754 on 9/15/09 |
Matthew 12: 17That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying,
18Behold my servant, whom I have chosen, my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
19He shall not strive, nor cry, neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.
20A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
21And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.
THIS is prophecy concerning JESUS! |
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---kathr4453 on 9/15/09 |
In Matthews book Jesus was repeating the history of Israel, point by point, and was overcoming where they had failed. Israel was a servant, and under inspiration from the Holy Spirit, the first writer of the New Testament said that Isaiah 42:1-3 was being fulfilled by God's "Servant" Jesus Christ. In Matthew Christ was showing Himself to be the primary Israel, the prince of God, the Victorious One who overcomess all sin.
After healing large numbers of people, Jesus after warning them said, "behold My Servant, whom I have chosen, My Beloved in whom My soul is well pleased! I will put MY Spirit upon Him, and He will declare justices to the Gentiles." |
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---MarkV. on 9/15/09 |
The Servant 2 continue,
In the Old Testament God definitely called Israel the seed of Abraham Isaiah 41:8, In Galatians 3:16 Paul plainly wrote that Abraham'seed does not refer to "many" but to "One" who is Christ. When Paul looked back just like Matthew did at Old Testament statements about "Israel" he saw them as inherently foreshadowing the coming Messiah, Jesus Christ. To Paul, the Messiah is the "SEED." Jesus Christ is the perfect Israel. For he said, "And if you are Christ's then you are Abraham's seed" Gal. 3:29. Believers in Jesus are infused into the "SEED" In other words, true Christians are part of God's Spiritual Israel. |
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---MarkV. on 9/15/09 |
Isaiah 41:8
8But thou, ISRAEL, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
Yes Israel was CHOSEN to be God's SERVANTS upon the earth to bring our Savior to you and me!!!!.
But WE in Christ are not Servants but SONS!!!!
And Galatians 3:16 say NOTHING about Gentiles being Jacob's seed.
Jacob was re-named ISRAEL, not Abraham.
So MarkV if we are NEITHER Jew or Gentile but a NEW Creation In Christ, how is it YOU're a spiritual Tribe of Israel, a REMNANT? You were baptized into Christ and Baptized into a Spiritual TRIBE????...so what Tribe were you baptized into?
The Church IS NOT a REMNANT of Israel PERIOD!!!
That's Mormon and JW theology!!!! |
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---kathr4453 on 9/14/09 |
Israel will be saved through Christ!!!
To those who are answering this question may I suggest again to give close attention and a little meditation to Romans 11:15
" 15-For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? " Contained in this verse I believe is a deep secret concerning the state of Israel!!
There is a Jewish scholar named Arthur Katz who has been shown the meaning of this verse.
I am not Jewish, but have great sympathy and admiration for the Jews.
---mima on 7/28/09
The casting away of them was the divorce after Solomons death. 10 nations of Israel.
Judah/Benjamin was not divorced /cast away at this time. |
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---Trav on 9/14/09 |
Lawrence, I thought you wanted to discuss Scripture. That was not the case at all. You wanted everyone to think you only have the Truth and all other churches and denominations are false or wrong. There is no discussions with you. You already know everything.
Any answer anyone gives will not matter. You only stand on the Truth. |
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---MarkV. on 9/14/09 |
In meaning what I meant about the Man-made relig-org's churches etc is, they are Not a part of God's Kingdom. This Vain-light here started the Man-made relig-org's churches 2nd. Cori. 11 v's 14-15. |
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---Lawrence on 9/12/09 |
markv
The raptured Church Saints will already be in heaven.
The 144000 Jews & Jews only are those that escaped to that place called Petra.
Jere. 31 v 7, Rom 9 v 27, Rev 14 v 1. The 144000 Jews will die having the Name Jesus Christ written in their foreheads.
Man-made relig-org's churches starting with r-catholocism the first trin-church & r-catholocism's offspring churches the presby, naz, bapt, method, episc etc is Bible prophecy here, Rev 17 v's 4-6. Other Man-made islam, hindu, muslam etc their god's will fall in line also. |
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---Lawrence on 9/12/09 |
Lawrence, While your statement sounds almost convincing it has errors.
First, the 144,000 represent a final remnant of God's Israel in the Spirit. It is composed of believing Jews and Gentiles who are not "defiled" by the deceptions and false prophecies of the mother and daughters of Mystery Babylon (Rev/17:5). What you fail to see is that God called Israel the seed of Abraham (Isa. 41:8) In Gal. 3:16) Yet Paul wrote "Now to Abraham and his SEED were the promises made. He does not say "and to seeds" as of many, but as of one, "And to your SEED, who is Christ" Galatians 3:16. Paul told the gentle converts, "And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed" Gal. 3:29. |
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---MarkV. on 9/12/09 |
MarkV
Yes, aft the rapture of God's Church (Not churches) takes place, the door of God's Salvation will be closed to the gentiles.
God & His Salvation Will turn back to His first chosen the Jewish people. One hundred & fourty-four thousand will be beheaded for the witness for His Name sake, they will die & then meet their Messiah (Jesus Christ) in Heaven. Rev. 20 v 4. No Not another rapture.
No not all gentile believers will be saved. Those that are in the Man-made relig-org's churches wiil be lost.
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---Lawrence on 9/11/09 |
There is only One body of Christ, and all genuine believers are part of that body. There is no exceptions, no other bodies, no other hope's, no other Holy Spirit but One,
"There is One body and One Spirit, just as you were called in One hope of your calling, One Lord, One faith, One baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all"
All means all. That is the Word of the Lord. Anyone that is entering God's kingdom is a part of that body, and Jesus is the Head of that body, that is the Invisible Spiritual Church.
---MarkV. on 9/11/09
AMEN!!
God says none unless they go though Christ- the door/truth/way/path. Hes the only way. There is no backdoor or other path. |
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---miche3754 on 9/11/09 |
There is only One body of Christ, and all genuine believers are part of that body. There is no exceptions, no other bodies, no other hope's, no other Holy Spirit but One,
"There is One body and One Spirit, just as you were called in One hope of your calling, One Lord, One faith, One baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all"
All means all. That is the Word of the Lord. Anyone that is entering God's kingdom is a part of that body, and Jesus is the Head of that body, that is the Invisible Spiritual Church. |
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---MarkV. on 9/11/09 |
Sandra as far as I know an agreement between two people is a contract. For example -if you do this work I will pay you. If you don't, I wont.
A covenant is when God says He will love us even if we turn against Him. Very different. |
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---Warwick on 9/11/09 |
Covenant is an agreement between two people. God made several covenants with man. But there is only one salvation. That is by faith in the word of Jesus Christ on the cross. |
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---Sandra on 9/9/09 |
Wow, I don't think anyone tried to answer the original question. Just went on a tirade about TBN!
The two covenants. One was a promise to Abraham about his descendants who became Israel. That has been kept. The second covenant expanded to all of humanity through Jesus Christ.
They have both been fulfilled first through Israel, creating a new nation. The second through Israel and the promised seed (also promised through King David) which is the Christ. In Christ, the whole world was included in this promise.
"For I have not come to condemn the world but to save it"
We live in the second covenant now in Jesus Christ. "The old has passed away, behold the new has come."
Boyd |
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---boyd on 9/9/09 |
Amen Mark E.
There is only ONE door/road/path to salvation and that Christ.
It doesn't matter what we were before we came to Christ. What matters is that He will ONLY save those who are in him. The Jews and Israel have to accept just like the gentiles do to be saved.
John 10:1
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber
Who is the door?
John 10:7
Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep
Jesus is the only way for anyone PERIOD.
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me |
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---miche3754 on 9/9/09 |
"when Jesus returns as KING"
kathr4453 on 9/8/09
What is he at this very moment?
Ezekiel 36:9: For, behold, I am for you, and I will turn unto you, and ye shall be tilled and sown:
Ezekiel 44:23: "And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean." Yeah, that is how the 'stony' heart is broken, by being taught and raised properly-(tilled and sown). |
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---Nana on 9/8/09 |
Kathr:
I do not disagree with with you, I just want to clarify what I said.
What is being believed is that for TODAY there are two separate paths to salvation, one for the Jew and one for the Gentile. Jesus is for the Gentile and some flavor of Orthodox Judaism with Messiah longing for the Jew. A totally made up "lie".
I read the transcripts of the TBN program which included comments made by John Hagee. He made this same statement almost verbatum. |
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---Mark_Eaton on 9/8/09 |
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There are two different plans. The one in effect today are both Jew and Gentle making up what is called the CHURCH...the one New Man no longer Jew or Gentile. This is the Body of Christ. We are MEMBERS of His Body. He is our HEAD!
Now after the CHURCH comes into it's fullness, and the fulness of the Gentiles have come in, and the Church is RAPTURED, God will fulfill His Sovereign Promises to the NATION Israel, and fulfill Ezekiel 36, Isaian 14 Zechariah 12-14, Joel 2 etc, And ACTS 1:6 & 7....at that time restoring the KINGDOM to ISRAEL as PROMISED in Gos's SOVEREIGN WORD who cannot lie, when Jesus returns as KING, with HIS Body, His Church, establishing PEACE on earth for 1000 years.
The Nation Israel is NOT Christ BODY! |
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---kathr4453 on 9/8/09 |
Mark E, I was wondering if what they are talking about "two covenants" had to do with the way God dealed with Israel differently then all the gentiles. You mentioned a little of what I was thinking. Israel, not the remnant already chosen, is said to have been blinded by God, and Scripture declares that the world is blinded by the devil. But all are saved by God.
The covenant is still the same covenant, and the promises of the Covenant are still the same.
Rom. 11:30, "For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.".. that He might have mercy on all." |
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---MarkV. on 9/8/09 |
The different paths to salvation for the Jew and Gentile are widely believed among believers.
It is believed because of our humanity and compassion for the Jewish people. Many believers understand:
Rom 11:25 "For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in,"
This hardening or veil, as it is shown in other verses, impedes a persons understanding of who Jesus is.
Therefore, many believers simply cannot believe God would prevent the Jewish people from seeing Christ as Savior and "make up" another way for them. |
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---Mark_Eaton on 9/7/09 |
catherine-- You? Christ like???!!!
Well, you could have fooled me! |
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---Donna66 on 8/31/09 |
Jesus went around insulting people all the time. I am being Christ-like. That's it! |
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---catherine on 8/31/09 |
catherine -- what is the purpose of your last post? You didn't offer anything helpful. Did you just feel like insulting everybody for the fun of it? |
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---Donna66 on 8/31/09 |
I believe the problem lies with you people, not with God's preachers. You don't understand much anyways. |
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---catherine on 8/31/09 |
Salvation is always based on "election". From Genesis to Revelation...from creation up to the end of the world salvation is always based on election. Remember Ruth a moabite, The city of Nevevih, Rahab were too gentiles who were save by grace.
It is not true that Jews are all save in the new testament...and gentiles were unsave. Abraham, David, Noe, and all other were paid by Christ in that was slain from the foundation of the world.
Isaih 9: 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: |
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---rosalie on 8/29/09 |
Lawrence, I suppose you know that the body of believers (all believers) are called the Church, "the Elect" the body of Christ, right? And if the Church is taken at the rapture, where does it state that after the rapture, another body of Christ, (another Church) will be saved? You said after the Rapture this was going to happen, 144,000 were going to be saved. They would be a part of the Church. You said the door was going to be open again but only for Jews. Do you have a passage or passage to that effect? Just wanting to know where you are coming from as Mima stated. |
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---MarkV. on 8/28/09 |
The statement is brand new to me I've never heard or read it before.
"Aft the rapture takes place, the Salvation door will be closed to the gentiles."
Lawrence you are a fascinating person has are many on these blogs.(Perhaps others think I fall into that category. |
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---mima on 8/28/09 |
The Lord's 1 & Only Salvation Plan came unto the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost according to Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20. Most of the Jewish people rejected this because they wanted an earthly king & Not a Heavenly King. All these yr's gone by & if they have Not receievd God's 1 & only Salvation Plan, they Are lost. Aft the rapture takes place, the Salvation door will be closed to the gentiles. The Jewish people will see that this Is the One they long-time waited for. Then The Lord will open His Salvation door to the Jewish people again. One hundred & fourty-four thousand Jews Will be saved. |
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---Lawrence on 8/27/09 |
I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption(Houston Chronicle, April 30, 1988).
Another Hagee Quote: Im not trying to convert the Jewish people to the Christian faith. In fact, trying to convert Jews is a waste of time. Jews already have a covenant with God and that has never been replaced by Christianity. (Houston Chronicle, April 30,1988,sec,6, pg.1).
These are old quotes, but I think John Hagee still stands by these. |
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---Rod on 8/26/09 |
I don't think TBN sees themselves as a guardian of "pure" doctrine. They are a TV network. Hagee is a popular figure.
Carlton Pearson may be known to some (I've never herad of him) but I'll bet he didn't attract nearly as many viewers...and potential donars...as John Hagee. |
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---Donna66 on 8/25/09 |
Leslie when I first heard about this teaching I took the time to look up what he has written on paper. And he does teach that the Jewish people can be saved without Christ. I'm very sorry that I do not remember exactly how to quickly find those writings today, but nevertheless that is what he teaches. He's all right just he is teaching heresy(wrong doctrine) about this. |
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---mima on 8/25/09 |
1st Carlton Pearson is not doing the same thing, he is teaching FALSE doctrine. 2nd John Hagee is correct and lined up with the Bible in this. The Bible says that salvation is for the Jew FIRST, then the Gentile. The Bible also says that the Jews will ALWAYS be God's people, because of the covenant made with Abraham. John Hagee is NOT saying that they have salvation without Christ, but rather, that they will always be God's people under Abrahamic Covenant. God does NOT break covenant, we do. In other words, God's covenant with the Jews will last FOREVER. |
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---Leslie on 8/25/09 |
mima.
I dont see how any one can believe in something that there's No scriptural basis for. Like the Father-Son & Holy spirit baptism. There's NO one found in N-Testament sciptures that is baptized that way. They All were baptized in the Name of The Lord (according to Acts 2 v's 37-41 which Fulfills Matt 28 v's 19-20) & The Name of The Lord Is Jesus Christ. The man constantine devised r-catholocism the first trin-church started all this easy believism etc beliefs,
(Man-made) & the light that came to him do such is,2nd Cori. 11 v's 14-15. The easy believism,repeat aft me,the sinners prayer etc is your choice,Not God's. |
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---Lawrence on 8/25/09 |
that I totally believe in"easy believism - repeat aft me - no works salvation - once saved always saved - say the sinners prayer etc, these Are All Lies & there is No scriptural basis for such teachings." Most everyone will know what I believe but to keep the record straight and have no mistakes I wanted to say I believe in exactly what you do not believe in. I respect your believes of course but I also have mine.
---mima on 8/25/09
Your easy believism is false.See Matt.7:13-14
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. |
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---miche3754 on 8/25/09 |
Lawrence.......What must you do to obtain salvation? |
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---JIM on 8/25/09 |
--- Lawrence, in hope that there will be no mixup I want to state openly(and very clearly) that I totally believe in"easy believism - repeat aft me - no works salvation - once saved always saved - say the sinners prayer etc, these Are All Lies & there is No scriptural basis for such teachings." Most everyone will know what I believe but to keep the record straight and have no mistakes I wanted to say I believe in exactly what you do not believe in. I respect your believes of course but I also have mine. |
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---mima on 8/25/09 |
mima
What you said is Right. They are there for filthy lucres sake. Even though some teachings are true, But, when they teach as such for salvation, easy believism - repeat aft me - no works salvation - once saved always saved - say the sinners prayer etc, these Are All Lies & there is No scriptural basis for such teachings. So tbn teaches such
for tickling of peoples hearing for their money. Blind guides. |
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---Lawrence on 8/24/09 |
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HUH?!
This is the first I have heard of this.
Can someone ellaborate on exactly what this TWO Covenants John Hagee is talking about?
For real.. John Hagee says that the Jews don't need Christ?
I need evidence of this. I don't like him but can someone explain this for me.
Thanks and God Bless!! |
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---miche3754 on 11/20/08 |
"Money is TBN's GOD. Money is Hagee's GOD. They are liars. Wolves masquerading as sheep.
---Trav on 11/20/08"
Trav you are quickly approaching the THUTH. |
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---mima on 11/20/08 |
Why hasn't TBN disfellowshiped with John Hagee for believing that there are two covenants?
Because they worship their GOD $$$ money. Money is TBN's GOD. Money is Hagee's GOD. They are liars. Wolves masquerading as sheep. |
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---Trav on 11/20/08 |
Galatians 3:28, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." |
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---Bruce5656 on 11/17/08 |
Mima: LOL! TBN "The Babylon Network" |
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---SeventhSeal on 9/24/07 |
Thank you Mima for making that clear. Wow, I wondered what is going on here. Not to worry, keep the good work Mima. I do follow what you write many times. |
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---Mark_V. on 9/24/07 |
MikeM - I copied this for you.
Spirituality arises from love of and intimacy with the sacred, and fundamentalism arises from fear of and possession by the sacred. Prof. Prof.David Tacey |
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---Andrea on 9/23/07 |
I do wonder at those who take TBN seriously. As a boy we kids had nicknames for the preachers on it, turtle face (Ken Copeland), tarantula eyes (Jan Crouch) Crybaby (jimmy Swaggart) etc etc. When they asked for love offerings we suggested 90WT oil-for their hair. I note even most evangicals laugh at it, finding it inane. Its popularity is explained by simple mathematics its the Christianity of the common denominator. |
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---MikeM on 9/23/07 |
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These are the least popular programs on TBN,
The new Dr Hagee diet revolution
Jan Crouchs makeup moments
The Christian Democrat hour
Celibacy in the city
Dispensationalist healing hour
Paul Crouchs guide to business attire
Live from the federal pen, "fossil stody with Dr. Hovind" |
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---MikeM on 9/23/07 |
I have been dealing with the issue of salvation for people who are of the jewish faith. I have had the joy of meeting jewish people who have such love and joy in their hearts that I was confused as to why God would send someone that loved him so much to Hell. Jesus said, Love the Lord thy God with all of your heart. Jesus was a Jew who loved God and went to Heaven. Jesus and his teachings were to love and to love God. God has shown me that anyone who loves God will not be forsaken by him. |
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---Patty on 9/23/07 |
If doctrine be of God, it will tend to promote 1. Serious piety. 2. Humility. 3. Charity. 4. Holiness and love, With other Christian graces, but if on the contrary, the doctrines these prophets preach have a manifest tendency to make people proud, worldly, and contentious, unjust or uncharitable, and take people off from governing themselves and their families by the strict rules of the narrow way, we may conclude, that this persuasion comes not of God whom calleth us. |
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---catherine on 9/23/07 |
To answer the Blog: The love of money!
1ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. |
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---trey on 9/23/07 |
Yes just a joke |
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---mima on 9/23/07 |
If you want to know why TBN is not disfellowshipping John Hagee, ask TBN. |
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---Eloy on 9/23/07 |
Mima, I read what you wrote and you are kidding aren't you? It is a joke right? For us to send our money to TBN? You cannot be serious? You even mentioned to stop complaining, so I am not sure where you are coming from on this one blog. please tell me it's just humor. |
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---Mark_V. on 9/23/07 |
Billy the answer to your question might possibly have to with the size of the followings, with Hagee's being much larger course. At this time I would like to represent TBN and say the following," Please stop complaining and send your money money into TBN!!!! |
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---Mima on 9/22/07 |
The sacrificial system of the OT did not save. (see Heb. 10:4 and context to compare Jesus with OT sacrifices) Salvation came via FAITH (see Heb. chap. 11 and Rom. 4:3) in the revealed Word of God. That Word, today, is to place faith in Jesus (Acts 4:12). God's medium of contact has always, even to dispensationalist theology, been faith in the Words of God. |
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---ed_the_other_one on 9/21/07 |
Billy, you've just hit on one of the BIG problems with dispensationalism. |
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---Jack on 9/21/07 |
Mrs Morgan, you wrote: "Ever since some 2000 years ago, Jesus is the only Door into Heaven". Jesus has ALWAYS been the only way. In the OT, they were saved by their faith in the coming of Messiah, looking forward to Jesus, whereas in NT we look back at the cross/Jesus. |
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---Christina on 9/12/06 |
The old testament saints had to beleive in Jesus too. They fell to sleep upon death and Jesus brought them back with Him to Heaven after He had died for our sins. |
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---Amy on 9/11/06 |
There is only one way to Heaven for everyone who has gone there and for all who will ever go there. That is Jesus Christ and faith in His Sacrifice of Himself on the Cross for sin, and His resurrection from the dead. |
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---Helen_5378 on 9/11/06 |
There is only one way to Heaven, and His name is Jesus and He died on the Cross for the sin of the world then rose from the dead. If anyone brings another gospel let him be accursed (Galatians 1:8,9). |
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---Helen_5378 on 9/11/06 |
Ever since some 2000 years ago, Jesus is the only Door into Heaven, If God doesn't see that Divine Blood of His son in a person's soul, He will reject them whether Jew or Gentile. God is not a respecter of Person's. Anyone who preaches different then this is confused and/or a false teacher. --Mrs. Morgan |
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---Mrs._Morgan on 9/10/06 |
Years ago, I worked with an ATHEIST who sent a little money regularly to an oddball 'Christian-false prophet' on TV because he said he was ripping entertainment; making him laugh by how he dressed/acted! It's not difficult to imagine many atheists doing and feeling the same about those at TBN; it gives them all scapegoats to point at for God being a lie! Maybe a few on TBN have something Biblical to say, BUT NO REAL BELIEVER SHOULD WASTE TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS OR ISN'T TRUE there! |
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---danie9374 on 9/7/06 |
They haven't disfellowshiped the other false prophets preaching on TBN, why should they do it to Hagee. They will all have to answer to God face to face. |
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---Susie on 8/24/06 |
of what value is TBN? Its founder was caught in a homosexual tryst, (they paid the fellow to be silent) That garish women is an insult. They have been cought again and again raising money for non-existant'charities.' They support Benny Hinn and other blatent fakes. Jimmy Swaggert who was disowned by the assembly Of God Church for his immorality. The scripture says 'God will not be Mocked.' I feel for the old lady who sends her pension to these televangelist. |
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---MikeM on 8/17/06 |
ther is a day coming when all will know who jesus is,even jews.and muslims,ALL. |
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---tom2 on 8/17/06 |
It does not matter what tbn does and it doesn't matter what John Hagee does and neither does it matter what Carlton Pearson does or says. There is one way to salvation and that is by the cross, thru the blood of Jesus Christ. doubt if many on tbn makes it anyway. I have never watched it but a small amount of time and they look like harlots. |
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---shira on 8/17/06 |
Why is TBN watched by so many so called Christians anyway? All they teach is false doctrine. They are all false prophets. |
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---Rev_Herb on 8/17/06 |
Can someone expand on the Hagee doctrine on two covenants?am stunned.never heard about it. |
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---pkay on 8/17/06 |
# 2 And the second promise was to multiply his seed equal to the stars in the sky Gen 15:5 (Abrahams heavenly/spiritual descendants: The Church). These two promises within the covenant with Abraham are repeated in Gen 22:17 |
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---Ryan on 8/17/06 |
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