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How do we follow the ten commandments? How do we produce fruit?

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Lee *Virtually nothing about the Spirit leading one to observe ritualisitic laws such as the OT Sabbath*-Gal 5:22-23.

Check your attitude toward obedience. Your fruits show your roots-Matthew 7:16.

James 2:17, 18
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
---Geoff on 11/17/08


*How do we produce fruit?

And if one abides in Christ, that person will bear the following fruits of the Spirit: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christs have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Virtually nothing about the Spirit leading one to observe ritualisitic laws such as the OT Sabbath.
---Lee on 4/9/08


Newsflash - Christ's new commandment isn't new. He said it once before. 1. Deut. 6:5,"Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and strength." 2. Leviticus 19:18, "love your neighbor as yourself." I think He gave this to the Jews only:)
---dan on 4/9/08


How do we follow the ten commandments? How do we produce fruit?

Fulfill that which was spoken by my Brother!
Love God W/ALL your Heart, Mind & Soul!
Love your Neighbor as yourself!
Love one another as HE Loved US!
IF you'll walk in the Spirit,
You'll have NO desire to Fulfill
the Lust of the Flesh, such as:
Murder,Fornication,Theft,Drunkeness,ect. ect. ect.!
Plant the Seed of Truth & You'll produce the Fruits of your Labor.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/8/08


Rickey: If you follow Him then you'd Keep the 10 Commandments. "Love God" = Keep 1-4, "Love Neighbor"= Keep 5-10
Mat24:35 "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away"
Mat5:18 "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven"
---SeventhSeal on 4/7/08




Are you yet w/o understanding?
IF you LOVE God w/ALL your Heart,Mind & Soul,
You will NOT Steal,Murder,Have other Gods,Ect. ect.
SO, THAT means YOU HAVE FULFILLED "THEM"!
The 2nd IF you LOVE your neighbor as you do yourself, Means you will help Clothe, Feed them(phys. & Spirit), By doing THAT you have FED & CLOTHED the LORD!
WHICH MEANS YOU HAVE FULFILLED "ALL" The LAWS of God & those of the Prophets!
JESUS SAID IT! I BELIEVE IT!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/7/08


Jesus never said to do only the love commandments and forget all the others. You are taking scripture way out of context. And shame on you [God's laws you know]. Note. Genuine love for God naturally results in a love for others. So, no love for God then you do not really love people. No wonder no one has any respect for each other. And let me tell you that this is true in all segment of society.
---catherine on 4/7/08


When we love GOD we 1. put Him first 2. do not worship statues 3. Resect his name 4 spend time with Him.

When we love others we 5 honor our parents 6. do not murder 7. do not commit adulter 8. not steal 9. Speak the truth and 10 do not covet. All of these ten commandments are love in action.
---Samuel on 4/7/08


We aren't supposed to follow the 10 commandments. Jesus left us with 2-commandments in Mark 12:28-34. By doing what He said in verses 30-31 we fulfill all of the commandments.
---Rickey on 4/7/08


Michel-It's convoluted to say all C's fall under the 10C's as you are implying.There's more written in our hearts than the 10C's!

Under which C does Jesus' new commanment fall under,Jn13:34? What about the change to the commandment about taking oaths? What about the change to the commandment regarding *eye for an eye* to *don't resist your enemy*? Under which C do these fall?

The Bible DOESN'T say law hangs on the 10C's!
---Sheila on 6/4/07




Michel - It is simply a matter of what Greek words were employed when "commandments" are mentioned.

In the writings of John, "commandments" never refer to Mosaic law (nomos) but to teachings (entole).

And that is why Biblical expositors do not interpret "commandments" to mean 10 commandments in John's gospel, his epistles & Revelation.
---lee on 6/3/07


Michel - Matthew 22 is the scene where Jesus was asked what is the greatest commandment in the law. Note that His answer was not to any of the 10 Commandments. That alone should imply that the 10 commandments are of secondary importance to the 2 Jesus mentioned as on those 2 hang all the law & prophets.

Romans 13:9 repeats the fact that love of neighbor is the fulfillment of the law - not Sabbath observance which is a ceremonial type law that had no relationship at all to love of neighbor.
---lee on 6/3/07


Lee
*But could you tell me, since there are over 600+ 'commandments' in the Old Testament, why you believe 'commandments' in these verses mean those found within the obsolete Old Testment rather than in the New?*

Where are these 'commandments' in the NT and how do they differ from the OT? You and I have been there before: you quote me Mat22:37-39, but you skip verses 36 and 40. Jesus is not proclaiming "new" commandments here, he is summarizing the Law in these two, not replacing it.
---Michel on 6/3/07


Jana-Stop harping on ONLY 10C's!More is on our hearts than 10C's!
2Co.3:3*Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us,written not with ink,but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone,but in fleshy tables of the heart.*

Or,what convoluted way do you categorize Christ's new C under 10C's?(Jn13:34)

Bible DOESN'T say law hangs on 10C's!

What commandment do you have to read or hear since they're written on our hearts?
---Sheila on 6/3/07


Jody-Thank you for revealing the Truth of the Bible so well!
---Sheila on 6/3/07


Jody: curse of the Law:The Cer/Law of Moses defined the earthly temple services and all the special annual sabbaths. Everything contained within the Cer/Law was a shadow that pointed 2 Jesus as the substance:"4 the law having a shadow of good things 2come and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continualy year by year, make those who approach perfect Heb10:1...a)
---jana on 5/26/07


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Jody: The Law of Moses which you thought the 10Cs prescribed sacrifices, festivals,n ceremonial ordinances that were symbolic of Jesus.Paul states that the law of ceremonies ended when it was nailed 2 the cross:"And u being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, has he quickened together with him, having forgiven u all trespasses,Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary 2us, n took it out of the way nailing it 2his cross Col 2:13-14...b)
---jana on 5/26/07


Jody:note here the Bible says HANDWRITING OF ORDINANCES (LOM) was nailed 2the cross...not Ten C Law of God. Paul continued 2write, "So let noone judge u in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things 2come, but the substance is of Christ: Col2:16-17 All of the ceremonial ordinances, including the special annual sabs were merely a shadowy symbol of ministry of Christ n he made it clear that the purpose of LOM was 2prepare the people 4His arrival.
---jana on 5/26/07


Jody:"These are the words which I spoke with you while I was still with u, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses n the Prophets n the Psalms concerning Me Lk24:44 Paul also wrote: For Christ is the end of Law for righteousness 2everyone who believes. For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, "The man who does those things shall live by them"Rom10:4-5
---jana on 5/26/07


Michel - *Does your Bible have Rev. 14:12 and Rev. 22:14*

Yes, they are do, including my Greek New Testament.

But could you tell me, since there are over 600+ 'commandments' in the Old Testament, why you believe 'commandments' in these verses mean those found within the obsolete Old Testment rather than in the New?
---lee on 5/26/07


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Lee,
Does your Bible have Rev. 14:12 and Rev. 22:14? You should try reading it more often.
"Blessed are those who do His commandments,that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city."
Looks pretty clear to me!
---Michel on 5/25/07


LEE ,Thanks brother,You are 100% right. That is exactly what I meant. I was referring to the Holy Spirit.Maybe I stated someting that was confusing but we have been SET FREE from the CURSE of the LAW. If you obey the Spirit you can not break the mosiac law and your behavior will exceed that of the Sadducees and Pharisees.Remember he said re divorce that we can't look at a woman in lust?Why?In the Spirit, lust is not a problem. Maybe that is where I sounded confusing. We do not have to try as we are free.
---jody on 5/25/07


jody - *It is the development of obedience that produces the fruits.*

Very true, but obedience to the Spirit of Christ "who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure" (Ph. 2:13); not to Mosaic laws (dietary laws, sabbath keeping, circumcision, etc.) from a covenant declared obsolete. (Hebr. 8:13)
---lee on 5/25/07


We are all given a measure of faith with which to grow at the time of salvation. We must seek knowledge and wisdom in order to mature in love. As we mature fruits begin to show as we overcome the flesh,RM8:13,16 and Love God and others. Jer 31:33 says that the commandments are written on our hearts. It is the development of obedience that produces the fruits. Jesus said that if we keep his commandments,we abide in love,Jn15:10 Jesus said that our standards must exceed those of the Sadducees and Pharisees.
---jody on 5/25/07


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Madison - *I believe we don't produce the fruit, God does*

Totally agree as that fruit is of the Spirit -

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, selfcontrol; against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22
---lee on 5/25/07


I believe we don't produce the fruit, God does. We read the Word and pray for God to work through us. We surrender everything in our lives, especially our hearts and attitudes. We seek HIM, and ask that HE fill us up.
---Madison1101 on 5/25/07


Ryan - *.. once we repent and seek and our sins are washed away we than need to press on to maturity and leave the Law that condemns our flesh behind and seek His greater glory.*
Close to the bullseye! The righteous live by faith alone and having been given a new nature is part of God's family and comes under that discipline and guidance.
---lee on 9/14/06


#3 Only through the blood of Christ and our faith in the Messiah are we deemed righteous. The Law than is not for the saints it is for the sinner as a tutor but, once we repent and seek and our sins are washed away we than need to press on to maturity and leave the Law that condemns our flesh behind and seek His greater glory.
---Ryan on 9/14/06


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#2 As Christians we no longer have a need for Law to show us sin, as Christians we have a greater glory than Law in Christ Jesus. We all agree that adherence to the 10 C's does not lead us to salvation but, they show us our need for salvation. Christ taught that to understand the 10 C's in a spiritual concept shows us all how bankrupt and incapable we are of attaining righteousness.
---Ryan on 9/14/06


#1 As Christians we follow the 10 Commandments by abiding in Christ and He abiding in us. Of our own faculty we are incapable of adhereing to the 10 Commandments but, through Christ we now have the ability to live by the 10 Commandments.
---Ryan on 9/14/06


jana - Do yourself and everyone else a favor, pick up a good commentary and figure out what is meant by "the rigtheous shall live by faith".
Romans 1:17 For the righteousness of God is revealed in the gospel from faith to faith just as it is written, The righteous by faith will live."
---lee on 9/14/06


jana - *Lee brother, what have you against the commandments of God?*
I might ask you what you have against God's grace?
You want to be under the law so that you can establish your own righteousness or to justify your condemnation of Christians that do not believe the Sabbath or other Mosaic laws were imposed on the church.
---lee on 9/14/06


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Eloy, it is Christ who gave the 10 commandments...it is His commands. He is the 10 commandments. By us doing His commands, we become Christlike, which we need 2be 2gain heavenly citizenship. Lee brother, what have you against the commandments of God? whom are you worshiping? John14:15 says "If you love me, keep my commands." Do you still say you disagree with God? who are we to question Him? DO YOU AND YOUR MATES LOVE GOD LEE? Let God be judge
---jana on 9/14/06


Emcee, you said "to get back into Gods favour the Penitent approaches a priest & seek the Forgiveness FROM GOD; the priest being God's REP... The person dying... can seek in the absence of a priest, forgiveness by making a firm act of Contrition."
Where in the Bible do you get this stuff?
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus
---Geoff on 8/23/06


Alan Of Uk::Most catholic's try to stay in the state of Grace.Mortal sin is breaking any one of the Commandments of God Losing this grace.To get back into Gods favour the Penitent approaches a priest & seek the Forgivenes FROM GOD the priest being God's REP.Any one dilatory in not seeking Gods Absolution is in Danger of Gods Wrath because the sin is unforgiven.The person Dying & if known to be in a state of disgrace,can seek in the absence of a priest,forgiveness by making a firm act of Contrition.
---Emcee on 8/22/06


Emcee ... Now, does not repentance in the RCC require cnfession to the priest,(and maybe penance) ?
If dying with unconfessed sins leads to Hell, and if confession to a priest is essential for effective repentance and salvation, we would need a priest with us at all times.
I would be only too pleased if, (and I hope you will) tell me that for an RC, sin can be effectively repented and forgiven without the offices of a priest.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/22/06


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Emcee ... You earlier said "all (of the 10 cmmmandments) need to be obeyed,under pain of losing your immortal soul should you leave this earth transgressing one of them"
Clearly, in view oue Salvation, that was not alll you meant, and I added in my thoughts about it "unless you have repented of them"
I assumed you meant that.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/22/06


Alan of UK :: Its not for me to convince you,nor do I try. You are the master of your own Destiny just so you have the information,as you have lived so shall you reap.Your last sentence shows you have no knowledge of the CC, hence will not sully my thoughts in keeping with being Charitable.
---Emcee on 8/22/06


Yes Emcee . There are still 10
But I am not convinced that if we die with a sin not ndividually and specifically repented that we go then to Hell.
In your RCC that would mean you have to visit your priest every half minute of our lives.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/22/06


Alan OfUK::You are correct in your summation The first few pertain to God & the rest your neighbour.If you want to summarise but there are still 10 (TEN)Commandments & all need to be obeyed,under pain of losing your immortal soul should you leave this earth transgressing one of them.Do you agree?
---Emcee on 8/21/06


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Alan OfUK::You are correct in your summation The first few pertain to God & the rest your neighbour.If you want to summarise but there are still 10 (TEN)Commandments & all need to be obeyed,under pain of losing your immortal soul should you leave this earth transgressing one of them.Do you agree?
---Emcee on 8/21/06


Emcee ... Verse 31 refers to the other Grand Commandment, that is to love our neighbour. As Rickey says, loving God, and your neighbour, covers all 10 commandments
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/21/06


Alan of Uk::"If we do what Jesus said In Mark12:30-31 we fulfill all the laws".Regretably this is incorrect, because if you read that passage He was talking about the FIRST commandment.His words "there is no other commandment Greater Than these Implies there are others.His saying "I have come not to abolish the Law Or he Prophets But to fulfil them"The 10 Commandments given by His Father still stand as solid as the rock of Gibralta.Mat 5:17-20 he goes on to explain.
---Emcee on 8/20/06


Rickey "We are no longer under the law, but grace. If we do what Jesus said in Mark 12:30-31 we fulfill all of the laws"
I agree with you, and saying that if you love God, you don't put something else in His place, & if you love your neighbour, you don't commit adultery with his wife, or murder him.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/20/06


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If we love God, will it be easy or hard to keep the 10 Commandments? If we are willfully breaking them can we fully endorse keeping them or will we be more prone to justify why they can't be kept? And finally, if Jesus kept them perfectly by full dependence on the Father while here on earth, then will He continue & make us victorious over sin (breaking the 10Cs-1 Jn 3:4) when living in our hearts? Hebrews 4:15, Jude 1:24
---Geoff on 8/20/06


rickey, then in other words, we reject Christ since He is the commandment...He is the Word remember, John 1:1,2,3 and John 14:15, If you love me, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS....thats not old Testament command...it's a perpetual commandment brother...ongoing, neverending...whose commands do we obey? the devil or God...as for me and my house, we will obey the Lord..amen
---jana on 8/20/06


If we love the Lord with all of our heart, mind, soul, & strength we fulfil the 1st 5-commandments. If we love our neighbor as ourself we fulfill the last 5-commandments.
---Rickey on 8/19/06


Jana & Alan, the 10-commandments are O.T. We are no longer under the law, but grace. If we do what Jesus said in Mark 12:30-31 we fulfill all of the laws.
---Rickey on 8/19/06


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I'm not depending on my keeping of the 10 Commandments. Certainly I have broken everyone.(If you don't think you have read the beauattitudes(bad spelling). I am depending on the second man mentioned in this verse, "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous". That man of course is the Lord Jesus Christ my savior!! He has made me righteous before the father!!
---mima on 8/19/06


Ryan - in the study of theology, the process by which the Christian is transformed into the image of Christ, is called sanctification.

We are not to quench the Spirit (1 Thess. 5:19) or grieve the Spirit (Eph. 4:30)in this process as it benefits us to cooperate.

He will not, however, lead the Christian in obedience to laws that are not applicable to the church such as Sabbath observance - a commandment given only to the Jews.
---lee on 8/19/06


The process by which one is transformed into the image of Christ through the Holy Spirit is known as sanctification. It is our part to cooperate with the Holy Spirit; not quench or grieve Him in this endeavor.
---lee on 8/19/06


The process by which one is transformed into the image of Christ through the Holy Spirit is known as sanctification. It is our part to cooperate with the Holy Spirit; not quench or grieve Him in this endeavor.
---lee on 8/19/06


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Ryan ... I think that was self-evident in the replies.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/19/06


Is it not through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that we become descipiles? In the path of discipline do we not learn to fulfill His commandments? Isn't the Holy Spirit the "How" of Christianity? How do we follow Christ's example? Isn't it solely dependent upon our complete submission to the Holy Spirit? How do we become "doers" of the word? Isn't that only possible through the power of the Holy Spirit?
---Ryan on 8/19/06


Thank you all for your replies. I find it interesting that the Holy Spirit and His work in our lives in this present age has not been mentioned once.
---Ryan on 8/19/06


ricky if you say you are not to follow the 10 commandments of God as He commanded, (not Moses laws) then you are left with only one other person's command you rather obey...you know who that is?
---jana on 8/19/06


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Rickey ... You don't follow the 2 Great Laws unless yuo also follow the rest of the Ten Commandments.
There is discussion about which day we should keep as the Sabbath, but all the others are fairly clear.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/19/06


We do not follow the ten commandments, but instead we follow Christ's commandments. And we produce fruit by being Doers of Christ's will.
---Eloy on 8/19/06


We follow the Ten Commandments and produce fruit by doing exactly what Jesus did: by complete reliance upon the Father He was completely obedient. 2 Peter 1:10, John 14:30

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. John 14:12
---Geoff on 8/18/06


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