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Evolution And Atheists

Those who do not believe in God believe in evolutionism. They demean Christians in the schools, media, and with their scientific atheistic propaganda. Christians always retreat. WHY?

Moderator - I don't. Change the crowd you hang with.

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Now Ignatius, it is better to follow a biblical example here:
Zech 3:1-2 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan, even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: [is] not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Acts 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, [thou] child of the devil, [thou] enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
---micha9344 on 11/22/10

"You claim to know the Bible. What prophet in the Bible quoted Scripture. I am not different." (Catherine)

But you are no prophet Catherine. The only one who said you are is your demonic power that talks to you at night, and made sexual advances with you one night (per your story). You claim to be a Prophet, yet the messages passed on by your demon (who claims to be the "Lord thy God") contradict what is already written in Scriptures.

Catherine, you are a false prophet, and I rebuke you ten thousands times in Jesus' name.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 11/22/10

\\I speak the words God gives to me and FACE TO FACE. Satan is certainly a great tempter\\

catherine, you are deluded by an inferior demon claiming to be god. You are certainly tempted by Satan who is speaking to you face to face. How sad and deluded you are!

BTW--the REAL Prophets of the Bible frequently quoted from other scriptures. "Remember the Torah of My servant Moses" is the burden of many of their messages.

---Cluny on 11/22/10

Catherine it is not about whether a prophet quoted Scripture or not. You know that. It is whether what a prophet says is consistent with Scripture. If the prophet speaks contrary to Scripture then that prophet is false and should be rejected.

If you are speaking things contrary to Scripture they are not coming from God.

In OT times such a prophet was put to death. That is how seriously God considers truth, and untruth.
---Warwick on 11/22/10

Amen brother moderator.

You can't argue anyone into the kingdom but I have atheists recoil and give up all the time when faced with the reality of even their own science.
They fumble over spontaneous bio-genesis, or would have me believe the universe existed before it existed in order to create itself and it goes down hill from there.

Besides if its all natural selection then nothing matters including your own existence.

What a pathetic view of life.
---larry on 11/22/10

You claim to know the Bible. What prophet in the Bible quoted Scripture. I am not different. I speak the words God gives to me and FACE TO FACE. Satan is certainly a great tempter....Are you he?
---catherine on 11/22/10

Why then Catherine do you never tell us what it is?

& before you say I seldom quote a scripture, I do not claim to be a prophet
---alan8566_of_UK on 11/22/10

There is always a Scripture to back up what God tells me to speak....I am not here to justify myself....BITE THE DUSTTTTTTTTTTT. This spell checker sure seems confused. I tell you it does.
---catherine on 11/21/10

Catherine, Jerry is right a prophet confirms the word of God. It is an easy decision if what a 'prophet' says contradicts what God's word says then the 'prophet' is not hearing from God.
---Warwick on 11/21/10

Catherine: "I am only going by what God tells me"

Does that mean that you ignore the Holy Scriptures, particularly when they conflict with the "voice" you hear?
---jerry6593 on 11/21/10

I am only going by what God tells me, and the words that He puts in my mouth, they shall come forth.
---catherine on 11/20/10

catherine: You have stated that you are a true prophet of God. Did you know that true prophets ALWAYS speak according to the word of God (Isa 8:20), and that Word includes the Ten Commandments?
---jerry6593 on 11/20/10

catherine: "That was a great answer. Thank You."

Are you praising your own answer? Do you believe that God wants you to obey His Commandments or not?
---jerry6593 on 11/11/10

Jerry six something>>>I go by the leading of the Person of the "Holy Spirit".....HELLO, JESUS, That was a great answer. Thank You.
---catherine on 11/6/10

Catherine: "When it comes down to the wire, I will obey God, in whatever He asks me to do."

Will you obey ALL of His Ten Commandments?
---jerry6593 on 11/6/10

My God hovers over me. I will defend Him. My duty. God is looking for strong men and women to serve Him. We do it by His power. All-powerful God lives in us, and there is no reason to run. "Cowardness" will not be welcome in the "Kingdom of God" and "slothfulness" will be treated as "wickedness". That is Bible, folks. What is your problem? Don't you want to make it to heaven? I have afflictions, because, I kept going and doing, obeying the living God, all the while Satan trying to stop me. Kept trying to draw me back. When it comes down to the wire, I will obey God, in whatever He asks me to do. Now, God knows this, Amen. Oh, where is Cluny?
---catherine on 11/3/10

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Evolution is the religion of the atheist.
---jerry6593 on 11/3/10

TooLong: One correction to your post question. The atheistic propaganda is NOT scientific. They rely on the scientific ignorance of the pupulace.

There is a political movement that embraces atheism and uses media propaganda and domination of educational institutions to further its aims. Its founders, Marx and Lenin, were also enamored with Darwin's work and believed that their theories of social change mirrored Darwin's theory of natural change.

I believe that this atheistic political movement is behind the demeaning that you bring up.

As to why Christians retreat - I can't figure. Love of the world, I guess.
---jerry6593 on 9/11/10

I believe the atheist & the evolutionist are kissy - kissy & So hung up on each other.

I Thank God they still can be saved.
---Lawrence on 8/26/10

Not all people who believe in some form of evolution are atheists.
Not all atheists demean Christians.
The real question is this: You are just lumping them all together. WHY?
---Jack on 12/2/07

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1 Corinthians 15:38 But GOD giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every SEED his own body. GOD GIVE EVERYTHING ITS OWN SEED AND HIS OWN BODY. IF YOU PLANT CORN WILL WHEAT COME UP. NO. IT PLEASED HIM
1 Corinthians 15:39
All flesh is NOT the SAME flesh: but there is one KIND of flesh of men, ANOTHER flesh of beasts, ANOTHER of fishes, and ANOTHER of birds.
---doug7835 on 4/18/07

We are supposed to stand for the truth of the Gospel, not retreat.
---Helen_5378 on 4/10/07

I echo the Moderator.
---Eloy on 4/9/07

The curious for nation of the bodies of animals, their different sizes, shapes, and natures, with the admirable powers of the sensitive life with which they are endued, when duly considered, serve, not only to silence and shame the objections of Atheists and Infidels, but to raise high thoughts and high praises of God in pious and Devout Souls.
---catherine on 4/9/07

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Well, we do the best we can with what God gives us. I'll tell you this much, no Atheist is smarter than God. And God's people know some things that the unbelievers and the Atheist don't know. >>>1.There is a God. 2 There is a Devil 3. There is a Hell. 4. There is a Heaven. 5 Judgment Day is coming. Knowing these most important things, makes God's people the smartest people in the world.
---catherine on 4/9/07

I find that many Christians have never really studied the bible as they should. I have found atheist know there bible better than most Christians. Shame on us. They pride themselves on there education. Get on one of there blogs and misspell something. They come at you with both barrels. They think you are uneducated.
---Rev_Herb on 4/9/07

O.k. Jack,
Thanks for trying. :-)
Perhaps Mike M will respond.
---Tbabe on 9/15/06

Your answer is too vague.
Could you be more specific? Where was this found? Who found it? Did you see it for yourself?**
Yes, it's vague, but so's my memory of it. It was mentioned on TV this summer.
Paleontology is hardly my chief joy.
---Jack on 9/13/06

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C. S. Lewis in MERE CHRISTIANITY suggest that the "next step in evolution" happened 2,000 years ago and is happening now--new life that is "different with a different kind of difference."

I challenge the people here to read what he said! :-)
---Jack on 9/13/06

6)...Macroevolution, also referred to as "particles-to-people" evolution is a large change resulting in new species over long periods of time, and is unsubstantiated. There is quite a bit of conflict between this and Gen. 1.
So, the statement made that there is scientific evidence that supports "Natural Selection" is only partially true.
For more info. Google search "DNA Demands Creation By Design hauns" click on DNA.
---Tbabe on 9/13/06

5)...It seems to me that there is much confusion regarding evolution; for example, the term "Natural Selection" in general, is applied to both "Macro" and "Micro" evolution...
From what I understand, Microevolution is a small change WITHIN a species or population, and does not require extreme time periods to occur. This has been observed, and is well documented. There is no conflict between this and the Biblical account of creation in Gen. 1, nor a young creation.
---Tbabe on 9/13/06

4)...I have learned so much in the past two months debating on the Creation/Evolution blogs and even though I have sometimes become discouraged, my faith in the God and the Bible has grown even stronger. My typing skills have also improved, heh heh; so, thanks CN, Mike M, and those bringing-up the questions that spark these debates.
---Tbabe on 9/13/06

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3)...The "Creationism" and "Evolution Bible" quizzes here on CN are a great place to start learning more.
On the Biblical Evolution Exists blog, I have made several references to resources for study on the subject of creation vs. evolution, and if it would help, I could repeat some of these here.
---Tbabe on 9/13/06

2)...Anyway, because of our faith, many of us rely solely on the Bible to explain our existence, and we do not find it imperative to study science, and many in the past have rejected the teaching of science; thus, Atheistic evolutionary viewpoints have been able to gain a stronghold; therefore, it may help to gain as much knowledge and understanding as we can about both Scripture AND science. Solomon himself had a knowledge of biology (1 Kings 4:33.)
---Tbabe on 9/13/06

1)...I agree with Tom2 to some degree, however, I would like to say...
Many Christians are satisfied with Creation being the explanation of our origin. We accept this by faith; read (Hebrews 11:3) "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." (this, by the way, was written aproximately 2000 years before the discovery of atoms, cool huh?)
---Tbabe on 9/13/06


Your answer is too vague.
Could you be more specific? Where was this found? Who found it? Did you see it for yourself?
---Tbabe on 9/13/06

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**Could you post just one or two examples of transitional fossils?**

In fact, one was found just this summer, showing both fish AND amphibian characteristics.
---jJack on 9/12/06

Always remember that neither evolution in humans nor our creation story will ever be concretely confirmed in our lifetimes. So I let the evolutionists talk, and I just hold to my faith which has been proved right to me time and time again.
---Casey on 9/12/06

Evolutionists have abandoned trying to prove a precise series of transition species, instead now they look at the trends in speies changes and leave several holes. By that same logic, how many dates, events, names, and points of the first five books of the Bible have been confirmed by modern archeology? So the trend seems to be that the writer of Genisis knew what he was talking about.
---Casey on 9/12/06

Too long silent- I agree it is easy to get discouraged listening to all the scientists with their technical terms. Scientists tend to cheat; they use these big words that they've spent years studying but that the average christian hasn't ever heard. Then they think they're right just because we don't understand them. But just because they know all these words that we don't doesn't make them automatically correct.
---Casey on 9/12/06

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Mike M,
Could you post just one or two examples of transitional fossils? I'm curious.
---Tbabe on 9/12/06

DNA, Microbiology, palentology, imply evolution. In spite of emotive barbs of some, palentological science does show many, many examples of transitional fossils. I could post, but then no one else will.
---MikeM on 8/31/06

MikeM: ""Evolution by natural selection." How does one seperate the two?" Simple. They are not synonymous. As a biologist you know that natural selection is a means by which evolution is thought to occur, but it is not evolution. Evolutionists and nonevolutionists accept natural selections' existance, but do not agree that natural selection proves evolution
---christina on 8/28/06

Cristian, I am a biologist, Cal State system. "Evolution by natural selection." How does one seperate the two?
---MikeM on 8/27/06

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MikeM. As a microbiologist I agree that microbiology confirms natural selection, but disagree that natural selection confirms evolution.
---christina on 8/27/06

too long,I apoligize for not posting directly to you,please forgive me.jesus told us that the world hated and rejected him and they would us also.I would say a sense of not being able to change the wordly thinking of men, also we as christians have become way to tolerant of our faith being ridiculed and attacked, but that pretty much a prophecy and historical fact of the nature of the church.
---tom2 on 8/27/06

mikk, yes sir jesus will ask me in heaven for my degrees in natural selection. scripture to follow jesus we must get educated in wordly knowledge and genetics and blah,blah,blah, who cares about explaining the human race, and its flaws and how biology works? a spirit filled life.God and the lost are whats important while you live , lay up treasures in heaven where moth and rust don,t corrupt. what are you laying up friend?whats your treasure?confrontations with believers?
---tom2 on 8/27/06

Yom you need a class in basic biology 101 from a local community college, you clearly do not know what natural selection is.
---MikeM on 8/25/06

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man what a line, genetically there is no such thing as a intermediate species.what like half man half fish????every species is genetically such intermediate species have or ever will sir are a evolutionist,I,am a christian.I believe God created everthing, and set in into just didn,t grow as it desired and natural selection ain,t written in scripture.
---TOM2 on 8/24/06

macaroni and cheese what???mutant macaroni and cheese moves slow????oh contrare,genetically mutation shows remarkably the genetic markers which show suseptability towards any given disease or mutation are somewaht harder to locate within any given geneode.but as I have said you can,t call mutation evolution, it ain,t the same thing, WHY?CAUSE EVOLUTION IS A MYTH IT DON,T EXIST.
---tom2 on 8/24/06

"Macro-evolution" says that a cat could progressively mutate into a dog??? That is a simplification. Macroevolution is an interdisciplinary field, and it deals with many branches of palentology, and other sciences, one needs a 'tetrahedron
approach to study this. There are many examples of intermediate species, I could list several species that have common ancesters as some chains are complets. The field of micro-biology conclusively confirms natural selection.
---MikeM on 8/24/06

Plenty of examples of intermediate species exist. The 'common ancesters' of many species are welll known. That is the field of palentology. The relationship between modern man and ever primates are rather clear, from genetics, and to a lessor degree palentology.

With DNA blueprinting we an confirm, and unconfirm the relationships between species. Mutations occur slowly, so slow so as to escape a conceptual paradigm.
---MikeM on 8/23/06

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A mutation is a genetic change. In any specie, if the change promotes survival,it may continue by normal reproduction. If the mutation impairs survival,the organism won't survive to reproduce. This "micro-evolution" or "natural selection" was PART of Darwin's theory. "Macro-evolution" says that a cat could progressively mutate into a dog. By observing bacteria (for instance) when many generations can be seen in a short time, we see "macro-evolution" to be false.
---Donna2277 on 8/22/06

Tom .. I did not ask my question about mutation to challenge you on evolution. I was merely pointing out that it seems mutation does not always mean degeneration, (as you had said) because viruses improve as they mutate (at least they improve for their own purpose)
But I only asked about that ... it was not done in support of evolution theory
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/22/06

Tom .. we have used different words ... I have used the biblical term "kind" for separating monkeys from, say bears, cats, birds, and, yes, man. You have used the words species to define these different groups. Ys, cattle do not become beras (different kinds) but some bears became white, some brown, some big, some small,... different species in the same group, or kind.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/22/06

alan, my statement was that mutation within the HUMAN gene is degrading. genesis 1 22 and let the birds multiply each according to its kind,and it was so.whether it,s robin or cardinal it,s still a bird nothing has evolved on this planet. NOTHING. plants cross pollenate, and man helps them many times. My problem is non believers use the word EVOLUTION to explain CREATION away. don,t like the word and honestly don,t wish to discuss it cause the word trys to remove God from the picture.
---tom2 on 8/21/06

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virsus have always mutated ,its part of their nature of defense. many bacteria and virsuses, have because of the antibiotics in use today become super virsus or bacteria.yes virsus,and many diseases change as part of their natural defense mechanism,as I said much in the same way your immune system does,but once again men don,t neither do bears,ormonkeys,or elephants,or tigers blah,blah,blah,.
---tom2 on 8/21/06

alan, the report stated that the human genode will at times mutate,but this is isolated. that it was impossible for the gene strand to evolve beyond what was originally coded into it,meaning that men stay men forever, and always were asfar as your question your talking about microscopic life don,t don,t mutate to better themselves they do this to survive when they are attacked.along the lines of your immune system defenses.Big DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND a full grown man or say polar bear.
---tom2 on 8/21/06

alan,the theory that darwin put forth is not the theory you are thinking of. the word used by darwin does not apply to different species within a group of plants or animals.such as brown bears and polar bears.or a rose and a lilly.darwins THEORY involves oh say amonkey becoming a man,or better yet a frog or some sea life evolving into humans.thers a big diffeence between sub species like robins ,cardinals,quail,turkeys etc, and proposing that a species can genetically change if given enough time.
---tom2 on 8/21/06

Tom ... That's not what I asked!!
I accept that man was specially and separately made, and said there is no evolution between kinds.
I was realy asking about 2 things:
1 Evolution within kinds, to produce new species?.
2 Mutation does not necessarily mean degradation?
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/21/06

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Christians do not ALWAYS retreat, where did you get that from? That's not the truth. I explain my theory of evolution: "In the beginning GOD." I keep saying it over and over and then I pray for them under my breath and when I walk away, I keep praying for them out loud. I lose the Holy Spirit of conviction on them in Jesus name.
---Donna9759 on 8/21/06

mrm, yes I read a detailied report that was the bottom line,mutation not evolution,men are men for all their lives and monkeys are monkeys.PERIOD. nOW FURTHER EVIDENCE SINCE i AM A CHRISTIAN IS gODS WORD HE SAID AND i QUOTE be fruitful and multiply,not be fruitful and EVOLVE.evolution is a man made thought to try for the most part scientist and other non believers to explain the earth and all its creatures.OH ye its true none of us were ever anyting except human.
---tom2 on 8/21/06

Tom 2 #2 I wanted really to ask about whatyou say that mutation always involves degradation. Is this the case? I'm thinking of viruses, which mutate. And in that mutation, don't they improve?
For instance, the bird flu virus mutates so that it can infect more groups of victims. The AIDS virus improves and attacks more people. So in these cases the viruses are become more efficient.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/21/06

Tom 2 #1 I am not going to argue with you about whether evolution is possible or not between kinds.
I think it possible that there is evolution between species ... e.g. various, improving, and increasing numbers of bird species developing (by evolution?) from the original few species.
But I don't know enough about it to know whether I'm using the right word for the process. ... cont
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/21/06

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TooLong; You are posting a personal opinion, nothing more. Children, people may act as 'beast' due to bad values, like secular values in general. As for me, I want my children to study science and learn about faith, and if the conclusions of science are uncomfortable at times, does one dismiss them? A reactionary action only weakens ones own stance, and empowers the other.
---MikeM on 8/21/06

Tom;Where did you get this infromation? It seems to me jou are just making this up. i know some about the project and what you are saying is untrue. Can youback it up?
---MikeM on 8/21/06

Evolution make man into a beast and if children are told they are a beast then they will act like one. Yes Christians retreat into a little bubble and will not stand up I took my children out of so called science class. Its no different than them seeing pornography.
---TooLongSilent on 8/21/06

when they mapped the human gene several years ago they made a startling discovery that many have decided not to pubisize. And that is that it is genetically impossible for any species to evolve,mutate yes,but mutation only degrades the species not changes it,or makes it better,or even genetically other words a monkeys a monkey and a man a man forever.
---tom2 on 8/20/06

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Well put, Pliny!
---Jack on 8/20/06

Herb ... there are those who are worshipping God, but in fact they are also worshipping other things ... detail doctrines & practices, saints, versions, etc
Perhaps that's not too bad.
But then some start to worship those details rather than God, and claim that those who don't agree with them on those things, are worshipping the devil.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/20/06

I have learned here not to debate evolution. The bloggers offer a few rhetorical barbs and hop on a fast train to another thread. The logical fallacies are usually AD HOMINUM. 'Evolutionism' i have learned is a very generic term for anyone with a scientific bent. TooLongSilent, try a study of what you fear, you may find atheism and 'evolutionism' ain't married.
---MikeM on 8/20/06

Herb , the discourtesy of complaining about someone else's spelling does not only come from atheists. It is, sadly, also a ploy of Christians of fixed view from all corners of Christian doctrinal belief.
It's a way of putting your opponent in the wrong, even when you can't think of a proper way of countering the point made.
You yourself have been a recent victim of this unfai ploy.
---alan8869_of_UK on 8/20/06

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There are two kinds of people, those who worship God and thoses who worship the devil. If you don't worship God, then you worship the devil. Some who say they worship God are actually worshiping the devil, or a different Jesus.
---Rev_Herb on 8/20/06

TooLongSilent, first of all your premise is erroneous. There are People who don't believe in God and don't believe in evolution and there are many well educated Christians who also believe in evolution. You are trying to use a faulty straw-man line of logic. There are just too many Blogger with an endless supply of matches that will turn your straw-man into a crispy critter. So unless you can encase you logic in Nomex, yo have a lot of work to do.
---Phil_the_Elder on 8/19/06

They THINK you are uneducated, Rev Herb?

Whatever are you doing to give that impression?
---Jack on 8/19/06

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